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02:12 < delinquentme> kanz you around ??
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08:49 <@kanzure> deliquentme yeah
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09:11 < Lucas_>  What are potential enhancements that would help humans survive in space?
09:14 <@kanzure> space habitats
09:14 <@kanzure> food
09:14 <@kanzure> water
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09:17 < Lucas_> enhancements, not necessities
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10:12 < Steel> integrated solar cells
10:12 < Steel> maybe?
10:17 < Lucas_> ironic, I was just looking into that
10:18 < Lucas_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatom
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10:21 <@kanzure> hi indigenous
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10:24 < indigenous> Hello kansure
10:25 < indigenous> *kanzure
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10:26 <@kanzure> indigenous: what brings you around here?
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10:28 < indigenous> To view some interesting conversations on transhumanization
10:28 <@kanzure> okie dokie. how'd you hear about us?
10:29 <@kanzure> (you've been randomly selected for polling)
10:30 < Mariu> :p
10:30 <@kanzure> "idle"4
10:30 <@kanzure> fdkfldak
10:30 <@kanzure> entry error
10:30 < Mariu> !!
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10:31 < indigenous> In a comment on hplusmagazine.com some mentioned this IRC channel
10:31 < indigenous> *someone
10:31 <@kanzure> eh.. do you regularly read that site?
10:33 < indigenous> I found it recently and went through some older articles to see if there was some interesting reads
10:34 < indigenous> then added it to greader
10:35 <@kanzure> last year i was paid to convert hplusmagazine from drupal to wordpress
10:35 <@kanzure> i found an old video promo that nobody knew about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bHlQnb1k_s
10:38 < indigenous> Ahh okay. What do you think of the magazine?
10:41 <@kanzure> hahah not much
10:41 <@kanzure> it's really just a blog
10:41 < Steel> kanz, what exactly...
10:41 < Steel> did you do as head of researh?
10:41 < Steel> *research
10:42 <@kanzure> the most public thing was http://gadaprize.org/
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11:27 < eudoxia> forget integrated solar cells
11:27 < eudoxia> let's have integrated solar SAILS
11:27 < eudoxia> http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/47f597011eb3c
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12:04 < ybit> bootcamp lesson #1: extracting vids from websites
12:04 < ybit> http://www.wolframalpha.com/tour/what-is-wolframalpha.html
12:04 < ybit> i want the vid on that page
12:07 <@kanzure> broadcast/wolframalpha/wolframalpha_overview/wolframalpha_overview_256
12:07 <@kanzure> broadcast/wolframalpha/wolframalpha_overview/wolframalpha_overview_700
12:09 <@kanzure> wolframalpha_overview_700_PIP.flv
12:10 < ybit> what file referenced /broadcast?
12:11  * ybit is afk for a moment for irs stuff
12:12 <@kanzure> i think it's on rtmp://streamingmedia.wolfram.com/ondemand
12:12 <@kanzure> anyway, check http://wolframalpha.com/flash/about.smil
12:12 <@kanzure> and http://wolframalpha.com/flash/vidconfig-about.xml
12:13 <@kanzure> you should use something like rtmpdump
12:19 < ybit> ..and i'm back
12:19 < ybit> was looking at the smil and xml docs
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12:24 <@kanzure> ybit: again.. use rtmpdump
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13:34 < ybit> kanzure: http://youtu.be/4Wv9hjfVWbM
13:34 < ybit> looking at *overview_700 doesn't show an flv either
13:36  * ybit also needs a quicker method for getting to non-linked pages
13:37 <@kanzure> erm, are you using rtmpdump or some other rtmp-protocol to access it?
13:38 < ybit> the vid shows
13:38 < ybit> i'm using konqueror
13:38 <@kanzure> damn it don't make me watch a screencast
13:38 <@kanzure> also, most people use firefox + firebug or chrome + chrome dev tools
13:38 < ybit> yeah
13:38 <@kanzure> some assholes like to use chrome + firebug, but whatever
13:38 < ybit> but you don't have embedded viewing of source like this
13:38 <@kanzure> of course you do?
13:39 < ybit> hrm...
13:39 <@kanzure> btw, you should be able to find about.xml not only from the flashVars in the js but also from the DOM-manipulated <object> that is dropped into the div that pops up
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13:40 < ybit> nope
13:40 < ybit> you don't
13:40 < ybit> just tried
13:40 < ybit> re: embedded viewing of source
13:42 < ybit> also s/non-linked pages/relative urls
13:42 <@kanzure> because whatever you're using is the page's html source, not the currently-active-html-source
13:49 < Mariu> try using the add-on FlashGot
13:49 <@kanzure> bah such a sell-out
13:49 <@kanzure> ybit: do you understand that it's on an rmtp server and you need to access the file through that protocol?
13:58 < ybit> so you've told me, but i'm trying to get to the point of how you figured that out
13:58 < ybit> but i keep distracting myself with new add-ons for ffox
13:59 <@kanzure> there's a few ways to figure that out-
13:59 <@kanzure> first, just generally knowing that most flash flv players are rtmp wrappers
14:00 <@kanzure> second, in the xml file it references rtmp
14:00 <@kanzure> third, streamingmedia.wolfram.com/ondemand runs an rtmp server
14:00 <@kanzure> rtmp://streamingmedia.wolfram.com/ondemand
14:01 <@kanzure> you have to think sometimes, "is stephen wolfram the type of person who would sell out to adobe?"
14:01 <@kanzure> the answer is yes
14:01 < ybit> :D
14:02 <@kanzure> i wonder if cclive would be able to grab that one for you
14:02 <@kanzure> it's worth a shot if you don't want to read the rtmpdump man pages
14:02 <@kanzure> however, you would have to read the cclive man pages instead
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15:21 < ybit> and i'm back
15:21  * ybit works on finding the vid 
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15:45 < ybit> not seeing about.xml from the flashvars and i don't know where to begin with "the DOM-manipulated <object> that is dropped into the div that pops up"
15:45 <@kanzure> well, try chrome or firebug
15:45 <@kanzure> you need to look at the current html not the html that was given to the client
15:46 < ybit> i'm using chrome dev tools
15:46 <@kanzure> ok. you can try "inspect element" when the player pops up
15:46 < ybit> were you looking at swfobject.js
15:46 <@kanzure> no
15:47 < ybit> would be convenient to be able to search through all the js files instead of clicking to select a js file to search
15:48 <@kanzure> i think there's a thing to do that, but you could just cat all the js files together as a last resort
15:48 <@kanzure> btw, you shouldn't be looking at the html/js anymore
15:48 <@kanzure> you're done with that..
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15:49 <@kanzure> also, if you don't believe me about rtmp then just use swfdump on the flash file
15:50 < ybit> if i'm done with js, then i guess you want me to move onto dom
15:50 < ybit> oh whoops, was scrolled up, didn't see your responses
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15:57 < ybit> completely overlooked the youtube link
15:57 < ybit> now it's easy to fetch
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17:11 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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17:16 < Spakz> Hey JayDugger
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19:29 < ybit> augur: i own your channel
19:29 < augur> ok
19:29 < ybit> aww, it was more fun when i thought you cared
19:30 < augur> rule 1: i never care
19:31 < ybit> i thought rule 1 was to not read wikipedia
19:31 < Spakz> But.. but I love Wikipedia
19:32 < ybit> yeah, me too, but it apparently warps your thinking if you are a noob, like myself
19:33 < Spakz> How so?
19:34 < ybit> augur was, and might still if he feels motivated one day, teach me about formal grammars
19:34 < augur> ok lets do it now
19:34 < augur> :X
19:34 < ybit> he doesn't want me reading the wiki pages yet, though, otherwise i might have relearn later
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19:37 < Spakz> I see. Are the wiki author's grammar really that poor?
19:37 < Spakz> authors' *
19:37 < Spakz> Is the *
19:37 < Spakz> 'Cause apparently mine is : P
19:40 < augur> Spakz: its more that theres a particular bassline perspective that you should have, which wikipedia isnt designed to provide
19:41 < Spakz> I think I understand what you mean
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22:47 < AlonzoTG>  Anyone know a good place to get a Biomedical engineering PhD with an excellent cost/knowledge ratio?
22:47 <@kanzure> vietnam
22:47 <@kanzure> i have some contacts, if you want
23:18 < AlonzoTG> hmmzers.
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23:46 < augur> according to IAEA, we're either on the precipice of, or beyond, the tipping point of uncontrollable global warming
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