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08:26 < delinquentme> HOWDY HOMESLICES!
08:27 <@kanzure> what's up fruitcup
08:27 <@kanzure> mergecurial is getting more and more painful by each passing day
08:27 <@kanzure> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_Queues
08:28 < delinquentme> <3
08:28 < delinquentme> having an AMAZINg morning
08:28 < delinquentme> wanna know what I found???
08:28 <@kanzure> your self-respect?
08:28 <@kanzure> your inner child?
08:28 < delinquentme> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bcss.za.org%2Fnewt-gingrich-on-atheism%2F&h=5AQFwodSWAQERst0tuHOZthnbmnWmddpTUGcRL6Ew7VYVog
08:29 < delinquentme> derp
08:29 < delinquentme> http://www.bcss.za.org/newt-gingrich-on-atheism/
08:29 < delinquentme> "How WEAK and LIMITED any human being is"
08:29 < delinquentme> OH . MAN.
08:30 <@kanzure> um. ok.
08:34 < delinquentme> kanzure, to me
08:34 < delinquentme> thats fire under my ass
08:34 < delinquentme> thats so so so fucking blasphemous
08:35 < delinquentme> seriously fuck that guy
08:35 < delinquentme> and fuck his incapacity
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08:49 <@kanzure> hi jrayhawk
08:49 < jrayhawk> hello!
08:54 < delinquentme> ZOGHHIHIHIHIHIHIH
08:54 < delinquentme> u too _sol_
08:54 <@kanzure> my "hi" is more ironic, since jrayhawk has failed me by losing connectivity
08:55 <@kanzure> is there a better way to visualize git's history other than gitk? it's sorta crashing on me
08:56 < jrayhawk> gource
08:56 < jrayhawk> always gource
08:56 < delinquentme> klafka, talk to me about the RA in your paper
08:56 < jrayhawk> git log --graph is probably more what you want, though
08:56 < delinquentme> actually nm lemme get through it first
08:57 <@kanzure> log --graph, thanks
08:57 < delinquentme> ^^^^
08:57 < delinquentme> git <3
08:59 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: http://heybryan.org/shots/2012-01-29-1057-gitk.png
09:01 <@kanzure> i count 17 active lines (so, branches?) in a few places
09:03 < jrayhawk> linux.git generally hits over 100 during a merge window
09:03 <@kanzure> mergetopia
09:05 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: https://bitbucket.org/kanzure/pokered/changesets/0b180a6e2ec5
09:05 <@kanzure> so sometimes there's a file that gets moved,
09:05 <@kanzure> and then someone commits a merge
09:06 <@kanzure> which inflates the size of the repository dramatically, especially if the file was larger than a few kilobytes
09:06 <@kanzure> how do i stop this in hg :(
09:06 <@kanzure> i'm thinking about forcing everyone else to use queues
09:06 <@kanzure> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_Queues
09:06 <@kanzure> see near 'polite'
09:07 < jrayhawk> for anyone using gnusha for IRC: I'm probably going to reboot it tonight.
09:08 <@kanzure> damn
09:08 < jrayhawk> ha ha THE TABLES HAVE TURNED
09:09 <@kanzure> up 206 days
09:28 <@kanzure> optically-induced electrowetting is a thing?
09:42 <@kanzure> http://teitell-lab.com/PDF_Files/2010_4_Park.pdf
09:43 <@kanzure> they're doing optically-addressable droplet actuation on an lcd screen with no lenses
09:43 <@kanzure> i wonder how many pixels per droplet
09:46 <@kanzure> "One major limitation of SCOEW is that it requires high voltage (a few kV) in actuation"
10:06 < klafka> delinquentme sup?
10:06 < klafka> RA
10:06 < klafka> ?
10:06 <@kanzure> research advisor, is my guess
10:06 < klafka> oh
10:07 < klafka> sorry just woke up
10:08 < delinquentme> real analysis
10:09 < delinquentme> like ive made it through the first 2 pages and I looked at the proofs
10:09 < delinquentme> while I'm rusty on my differential rules it looks sensical
10:12 < klafka> well good!
10:12 < delinquentme> but i figured I'd get a feeling for where the real analysis kicks in after finishing the read through
10:12 < klafka> real analysis kicks in, in making the proofs
10:12 < delinquentme> klafka, you've partially restored my faith in academia ... they're not all full derps :D
10:12 < klafka> what do you mean?
10:12 < klafka> no man
10:12 < klafka> there are a lot of academics that are really intimidatingly brilliant
10:13 < delinquentme> ehhh
10:13 < klafka> my advisor is absolutely one such person
10:13 < delinquentme> i think you're truly brilliant when you can set that ego BS aside and present it simply
10:13 < delinquentme> like IF you make it so that it sounds intimidatingly brilliant
10:13 < klafka> i've honestly not met that many egoistic academics
10:13 < delinquentme> you're not effectively conveying information
10:13 <@kanzure> klafka: it's definitely freaky when these academics have obscure knowledge that you didn't previously know they had,
10:13 < delinquentme> instead you're masturbating
10:13 <@kanzure> like "oh yeah, i spent 20 years in india studying that <RANDOM OBSCURE TOPIC THAT YOU DESPERATELY NEED HELP WITH>"
10:14 < klafka> LOL yes
10:14 <@kanzure> it's fucking ridiculous.
10:14 < delinquentme> I've probs had bad academia experiences
10:14 < klafka> idk i think academics are often pretty interesting and great people but some of them just really suck it's true
10:15 < klafka> my advisor would always say, there is a type of person in academia, who isn't good, but they aren't retarded, and the reason they are around is because they are good at sucking up and writing grants
10:15 < klafka> 'the middle path'
10:15 < delinquentme> so yeah im sitting on khan picking out bits and pieces of calc review before jumping into this spivak book on real analysis
10:15 < klafka> those are the people i think you dislike
10:15 < klafka> oh cool
10:15 < klafka> awesome
10:15 < klafka> learning!
10:15 < delinquentme> klafka, absolutely
10:15 < delinquentme> they're the politicians of academia
10:16 < delinquentme> klafka, id take most people who got burned out on a subject to be a little bitter about it
10:16 < delinquentme> you've got your shit together
10:16 < delinquentme> gg
10:16 < klafka> i am pretty bitter
10:16 < klafka> heh
10:16 < klafka> didn't you hear me talking to movvey
10:16 < klafka> :P
10:19 < delinquentme> lucky me, this is a really sweet example for me to learn from
10:20 < Stee|> keep in mind just because they're bad at sharing knowledge doesn't mean they're egotistical
10:20 < Stee|> it often just means their brain doesn't work the same way as yours
10:20 < delinquentme> l'Hopitals rule!!!!!1
10:20 < delinquentme> lolol
10:20 < delinquentme> OH, man.
10:20 < delinquentme> Stee|, true true!
10:20 <@kanzure> that's some pretty basic calculus you're going over..
10:21 <@kanzure> what is it, something like the limit of the ratio of two functions is the same as the limit of a ratio of the two function's derivatives..
10:21 <@kanzure> been a while
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11:15 < Lucas___> hello
11:15 <@kanzure> nope
11:23 < archels> Hi Lucas___.
11:23 < Lucas___> so I finally visited NYC resistor
11:29 <@kanzure> was that your first hackerspace
11:30 < Lucas___> the first one I visited, no (that was Genspace), but it was the first one we worked in
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11:58 < Mariu> see you later guys
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13:21 < delinquentme> so yeah real analysis is deceptively simple yet complex
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13:30 <@kanzure> this valve control scheme looks ok:
13:30 <@kanzure> http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1339&context=nanopub&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com%2Fscholar%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dmicrofluidic%2Belectromagnetic%2Bvalve%2Barray%26btnG%3DSearch%26as_sdt%3D0%252C44%26as_ylo%3D%26as_vis%3D0#search=%22microfluidic%20electromagnetic%20valve%20array%22
13:30 <@kanzure> see the diagram at the top of page 3
13:30 <@kanzure> the main problem with this is that you can only lay it out for a single line of chambers/control..
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14:04 < delinquentme> klafka, thoughts on the Rockefeller university?
14:08 <@kanzure> tdcs stuff http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3525744
14:11 <@kanzure> "There should be a site where one could subscribe to new tech discoveries that are likely to be marketed soon* (i.e. this one) to get an email when it happens."
14:11 < uniqanomaly_> "left means left from the perspective of the subject, but right from the perspective of a viewer viewing the subject's face" wtf
14:11 <@kanzure> meh
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14:26 <@kanzure> god this is horrible http://boards.420chan.org/b/res/2296875.php
14:26 <@kanzure> why oh why did anyone give publicity to that
14:29 <@kanzure> bbc segment on biocurious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkNEIXlt8rg
14:29 < yashgaroth> why is lepht considered a biohacker, can't we sequester that shit into bodyhacking or something
14:30 <@kanzure> it is bodyhacking..
14:30 <@kanzure> wired ran this horrible article called "diy transhumanism" about lepht
14:30 < yashgaroth> yeah but not biohacking per se, you'd think that would involve dna or protein by definition
14:31 <@kanzure> shrug
14:31 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: my problem with lepht isn't the finger splicing
14:32 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: the anti-pain-killer stance and psychoticism.
14:32 <@kanzure> "i have been known to slice my arms open for shits'n'giggles, sure, and do a fair amount of damage in the process (none of this emo cat-scratch bullshit, i've split my arm to the tendons like the little psychopath i sort of am), but this is not something i do when properly medicated. i need a better way of communicating that."
14:33 <@kanzure> at least they took down her "watch me scream in pain while doing an implant procedure!" video
14:34 < yashgaroth> heh
14:34 <@kanzure> that's not ok.
14:35 < yashgaroth> I didn't know that about her, but am not surprised in the least
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15:34 < klafka>  i don't really know too much about it delinquentme
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17:51 <@kanzure> http://soterixmedical.com/tdcs.php
17:53 < uniqanomaly__> is there an app for that?
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18:55 < Mokbortolan_> Whoo!
19:03 < delinquentme> kanzure, what is that?
19:19 < Stee|> Mok, did you see kanzure's link?
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19:28 < Mokbortolan_> Stee|: nope
19:29 < Mokbortolan_> link?
19:29 < Stee|> http://soterixmedical.com/tdcs.php
19:30 < Stee|> I think that was relevant to what you were looking at
19:35  * ybit does the avalou around augur 
19:35 < augur> ybit: i will murder your face
19:35 < augur> also hi
19:36 < ybit> not if this dance hurts your first, hi.
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19:39 < Mokbortolan_> steel: it is, a bit, thanks!
19:39 < Mokbortolan_> tho, I'd do better with the device's schematics :p
19:41 < augur> ybit: sup
19:44 < ybit> oh, i just wanted to try out a voodoo dance on you
19:44 < ybit> you should be feeling something here soon
19:45 < augur> ybit: well im getting sick so it might not work
19:45 < augur> or maybe your voodoo dance went back in time and made me sick :(
19:45 < ybit> i think this is how it works, yes
19:46 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: that's just the commercial crap
19:46 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: the non-commercial tdcs stuff has schematics
19:46 <@kanzure> *have
19:46 < ybit> sorry you're getting sick, i came down with food poisoning on the 19th so i'm reminded of how crappy sickness is
19:47  * ybit feels augur's pain and quits dancing
19:47 <@kanzure> you should consider not eating
19:47 <@kanzure> also, don't ingest food poisoning
19:47 < augur> ybit: well, im just getting a cold or something so
19:49 < ybit> augur: when you feel better and ready to teach an ignorant being part 3 of the wonderful world of formal grammars, i'll be available thursday thursday-early saturday morning
19:50  * ybit has http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reprap-Prusa-Mendel-SAE-3D-Printer-ABS-Parts-Neon-Green-/110813833381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cd04e8a5 coming his way
20:01 < Mokbortolan_> kanzure: on that site, or elsewhere?
20:02 < Mokbortolan_> I've been poking around for schematics and I haven't found much
20:03 <@kanzure> definitely not on that site.. yeah
20:03 <@kanzure> it will be mostly in papers
20:03 <@kanzure> why do you want tdcs anyway? shouldn't you aim for something with more specificity anyway?
20:03 <@kanzure> anyway anyway anyway anyway
20:05 < Mokbortolan_> it seems fairly simple and safe, with some interesting results
20:06 < Mokbortolan_> about as close to tMS as you can get without a few tens of thousands of dollars to drop on equipment
20:08 < zach342> Mokbortolan_: have you taken a look at this? http://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs
20:08 < Mokbortolan_> yes
20:08 < Mokbortolan_> and then I saw this: http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=63037
20:09 < Mokbortolan_> which basically says that standard regulators can't work reliably with such low output current
20:10  * Mokbortolan_ is looking for low-current regulators.
20:13 < zach342> it needs 1 mA, correct?
20:13 < Mokbortolan_> funny that that thread was closed due to forum guidelines :p
20:13 < Mokbortolan_> it needs to output 1-2ma
20:13 < Mokbortolan_> *reliably* :p
20:14 < Mokbortolan_> my current setup seems to work fairly well, I wired an ammeter up to it and pretty reliably get 2ma during use
20:17 < zach342> is this you? http://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/p2crm/how_i_created_my_own_brain_stimulator/
20:19 < zach342> because that doesn't seem very 'reliable' tbh
20:22 < zach342> so on digikey the lowest voltage regulators like the l317 go is 5mA
20:24 < zach342> but not a lot of them are three pin
20:26 < ybit> seemingly related i volunteered myself to be shocked with a 6V battery the other day in class and i too experienced an active mind for an hour, re:"I noticed a bit of hyper-focus at first that seemed to help, but the effect dropped off noticeably within about an hour." from the reddit article
20:28  * ybit has what's needed for this but decides to stick with coffee and lisdexamfetamine
20:29 < zach342> lisdexamfetamine would probably blow this out of the water anyway
20:30 < Mokbortolan_> no, that's not me
20:30 < Mokbortolan_> this is me: http://www.reddit.com/r/tDCS/comments/ma2xv/simple_tdcs_device_design_thoughts/
20:31 < Mokbortolan_> pfft
20:31 < Mokbortolan_> speaker wire and red dots
20:32  * ybit sleeps
20:34 < zach342> yours looks 100 times safer
20:34 < zach342> and more likely to actually do something
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20:44 < Mokbortolan_> I'm using saline-soaked cosmetic sponges hot-glued to copper discs as electrodes
20:44 < Mokbortolan_> I tried finding something suitable on ebay, but everything was either not right or too expensive
20:45 < Mokbortolan_> (the hot-melt glue doesn't form a barrier between the discs and the sponge)
20:46 < Mokbortolan_> hehehe, it's a step up from the retina-stimulator I built when I was 18 :p
20:47 <@kanzure> why your retina
20:47 < Mokbortolan_> well, that's what it turned out to be
20:47 < zach342> what was it supposed to be?
20:48 < Mokbortolan_> it was supposed to stimulate "visuals"
20:48 < Mokbortolan_> I can't quite remember the details though
20:48 < Mokbortolan_> all I ever got out of it was flashes of light, which, looking back, seems about right
20:49 <@kanzure> why can a visual be stimulated
20:49 <@kanzure> do you mean simulate?
20:51 < Mokbortolan_> more or less the same thing, I suppose
20:51 < Mokbortolan_> it was more of a "someone smarter than me designed this, so I'll just follow directions and hope it works" sort of a thing
20:52 < Mokbortolan_> it was in line with my interest at the time in the "neurophone"
20:53 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.worldtrans.org/spir/neuro.html
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20:56 < Mokbortolan_> any of you guys hang out in #spiritplants back in the mid to late 90's?
20:56 < Mokbortolan_> or whatever it was called at the time
20:57 < Stee|> I was, uh, 8 in the late 90s?
20:57 < Mokbortolan_> stop making me feel old!
20:59 < zach342> was it hallucinogens?
20:59 < Mokbortolan_> was what hallucinogens?
20:59 < zach342> spiritplants?
21:00 < Mokbortolan_> it was a chat room
21:00 < Mokbortolan_> and a forum
21:00 < zach342> was it dedicated to anything in particular?
21:00 < Mokbortolan_> entheogens
21:00 < Mokbortolan_> cultivation, use, and other topics of interest
21:01 < zach342> ah makes sense
21:03 < Mokbortolan_> back before you could buy salvia anywhere except sketchy badly-made websites of stores in other countries :p
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21:07 < Stee|> yeah, I never hang out anywhere near places with drugs--or at least try to avoid
21:07 < Mokbortolan_> like, aspirin?
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21:08 < Mokbortolan_> or the datura growing in your grandma's yard? :p
21:09 < Stee|> illegal drugs
21:09 < Mokbortolan_> Oh, me too
21:09 < Mokbortolan_> I'm talking about strictly herbal, shamanic stuff
21:10 < Mokbortolan_> most illegal drugs aren't what you'd call entheogens anyway
21:11 < Stee|> ah
21:11 < Mokbortolan_> and certainly don't have a histories of use stretching back 10,000+ years
21:11 < Stee|> I'd look at ayurvedic stuff
21:12 < Mokbortolan_> I'm talking about the basis of religious practice for groups prior to the modern era
21:13 < Mokbortolan_> ecstatic states used to be just part of the fabric of everyday life, now they're either vague cultural memories, cause for imprisonment, or still in use in the very far corners of the world
21:14 < Mokbortolan_> or down the street, there's actually a UDV church fairly close to my house
21:15 < Mokbortolan_> these guys didn't pontificate on the existence of god, they met him and WERE him on a weekly/monthly basis
21:18 < Mokbortolan_> Of course, the Catholic church doesn't take kindly to folks bypassing them and experiencing the divine for themselves, so they killed anybody who did that
21:20 < Stee|> hah
21:20 < Stee|> I don't really do psychoactives unless it's of the (as much as you can say this) enhancement variety
21:20 < Mokbortolan_> and as a result, we (the descendents of those Catholics) now harbor a significant bias against mysticism
21:20 < Mokbortolan_> I wouldn't recommend it, honestly
21:21 < Mokbortolan_> without proper guidance and cultural controls surrounding the use, they can in fact be quite dangerous
21:21 < Stee|> Eh, I was raised jewish :P
21:21 < Mokbortolan_> the ancient jews had some interesting rituals
21:22 < Stee|> I'm fond of the story where the rabbi sat in a cave for ten years meditating
21:22 < Mokbortolan_> the only one I'm familiar with is the one where they soak a few pounds of cannabis in a few gallons of olive oil, and then soak themselves with it
21:22 < Stee|> and a tree grew to feed him
21:22 < Stee|> when he stepped outside, the fields lit on fire from his holiness
21:22 < Stee|> LASER HOLINESS
21:23 < Mokbortolan_> sounds a bit like that story of the guy who founded Shaolin
21:23 < Stee|> Ugh.
21:23 < Stee|> I think I need to rederive this equation
21:24 < Stee|> it's time to math
21:24 < Mokbortolan_> what do Francis Crick and Kary Mullis have in common?
21:25 < yashgaroth> yeah yeah lsd, also being huge douchebags coincidentally
21:25 < Mokbortolan_> I was gonna say that they made incredible realizations despite the surely demonic and psychotic influence of that horrible drug they were on
21:25 < klafka> crick is a douchebag?
21:26 < Mokbortolan_> real troopers
21:26 < klafka> um
21:26 < klafka> i've never heard him described that way
21:26 < klafka> watson yes
21:26 < klafka> but not crick
21:26 < yashgaroth> oh whoops you're right
21:26 < klafka> every account i've heard of crick was that he was fucking awesome
21:26 < klafka> and a genius
21:26 < klafka> straight up until his death
21:26 < yashgaroth> he was a bit paranoid supposedly
21:26 < Stee|> kanzure, do you care at all about useful equations for profiling a tiny droplet (femto/picoliter scale) on a surface?
21:27 < klafka> heh
21:27 < yashgaroth> also lsd is supposed to be a great neuroenhancer in tiny doses, though I've never had that little
21:27 < Mokbortolan_> james watson sure did get into some hot water
21:27 <@kanzure> Stee|: sure
21:28 < Stee|> I'll just email it to you I think
21:28 < Stee|> this is actually a draft, so it might have more data than the legit published paper
21:28 <@kanzure> "this is actually a draft, so it might not sound like i had a hernia on the toilet while writing it"
21:28 < Stee|> it's not mine
21:28 < Stee|> heh
21:29 < Stee|> it's a primary source for my thesis though
21:29 <@kanzure> ah
21:29 <@kanzure> but yeah, somehow everything i draft somehow gets turned into this terse stuff
21:42 < Stee|> you're a terse dude
21:42 < Stee|> my writing is, hmm
21:42 < Stee|> bombastic perhaps
21:43 <@kanzure> i mean, anything that i give to an academic
21:43 <@kanzure> gets turned into something terse
21:43 <@kanzure> most people don't naturally write like the text in papers
21:43 <@kanzure> the hernia thing was a joke..
21:44 <@kanzure> thought it would be more obvious
21:45 < Stee|> haha
21:45 < Stee|> I don't know, precisely
21:45 < Stee|> It feels rather natural to write papers for me
21:51 <@kanzure> engineering papers are always clean
21:52 <@kanzure> organic chem and molecular bio- not so much
21:54 < klafka> ?
21:55 <@kanzure> organic chem journals
21:57 < klafka> aah
21:57 < klafka> i mean what do you mean by clean
21:58 < klafka> speaking of papers
21:58 < klafka> anyone want to get me some?
22:00 < Mokbortolan_> hmm
22:00 < Mokbortolan_> lemme look
22:00 < yashgaroth> don't suppose you have access to Current Gene Therapy?
22:00 < Mokbortolan_> PMID: 21995999
22:00 < Mokbortolan_> PMID: 21459149
22:00 < Mokbortolan_> PMID: 20042788
22:01 < Stee|> I have access to a lot of shit, yashgaroth
22:01 < Mokbortolan_> PMID: 21790807
22:01 < Mokbortolan_> PMID: 22019079
22:01 < Mokbortolan_> and that's it
22:02 < Mokbortolan_> :p
22:02 < Stee|> mok, you need those papers or that's what you have access to?
22:02 < Mokbortolan_> need
22:02 < Mokbortolan_> want, really
22:02 < Stee|> got actual paper names?
22:02 < Mokbortolan_> anything you care to get, or not get, would be fine
22:02 < Mokbortolan_> pubmed
22:03 < yashgaroth> if you can get me this http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/cgt/2011/00000011/00000006/art00004 I would certainly appreciate
22:03 < Mokbortolan_> Modulating oscillatory brain activity correlates of behavioral inhibition using transcranial direct current stimulation.
22:03 < klafka> ah  never mind
22:03 < Mokbortolan_> :p
22:03 < Stee|> shit, no access yashgaroth
22:04 < yashgaroth> it's okay, no one does really
22:04 < Stee|> we don't have a sub
22:04 < Stee|> ask on reddit
22:04 < yashgaroth> klafka: I assume by 'clean' he meant easily repeatable and with small error bars, among other things
22:04 < klafka> ooh
22:04 < Stee|> I have access to that one, Mokbortolan_
22:04 < klafka> well that's definitely not computer science
22:04 < klafka> :P
22:07 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: http://reddit.com/r/scholar
22:08 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: can you give me the link to the pdf itself
22:08 <@kanzure> it would make it easier for me to grab it
22:09 < Stee|> kanzure, brian or bryan?
22:09 < Stee|> plugging you for Abundance again
22:09 <@kanzure> bryan
22:09 < Stee|> former director, not current
22:09 < yashgaroth> that url's as close as I can get, kanzure
22:09 < Stee|> correct?
22:10 <@kanzure> former
22:10 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: check the html source
22:10 < Stee|> "The other interested party I mentioned, by the way, is Bryan Bishop, former R&D Director of Humanity+, and who has several colleagues in common with Peter Diamandis."
22:11 < Stee|> acceptable?
22:11 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: i can't see where the download link is, sorry
22:11 <@kanzure> but i do have access
22:11 <@kanzure> Stee|: sure..
22:12 < yashgaroth> it all seems to be hidden behind javascript, nothing in the source I can pinpoint
22:13 <@kanzure> hidden!
22:13 <@kanzure> i guess you're not a javascript person huh
22:14 <@kanzure> you have to feel the source flowing
22:14 < klafka> heh
22:15 < yashgaroth> ffffffff
22:18 < klafka> the js must flow
22:18 < klafka> he who controls the javascript controls the universe
22:23 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: yeh i don't see it either :)
22:25 < yashgaroth> can you view the page through a library proxy?
22:25 <@kanzure> yes
22:25 <@kanzure> i still don't see it
22:26 < Stee|> hmm
22:26 < Stee|> what does it take to have a private institution be allowed to share access to a journal with its members
22:26 < Stee|> if it's a small institution?
22:26 <@kanzure> wtf? <input type="hidden" name="art0" value="infobike://ben/cgt/2011/00000011/00000006/art00004"/>
22:26 <@kanzure> Stee|: big pockets
22:26 < Stee|> bleh
22:27 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: ah. i have access, but not complete access through my regular source
22:28 <@kanzure> so i'm logged in, but it still shows me a checkout cart
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22:28 <@kanzure> hi bluemarble
22:28 < bluemarble> hello
22:28 <@kanzure> what brings you around
22:28 < yashgaroth> even my old school didn't have access for articles <1 year old
22:28 < bluemarble> new here, looking for h+ chat
22:29 < klafka> wow that sucks yashgaroth
22:29 < klafka> kanzure so i've started to consider berkeley
22:29 <@kanzure> for what
22:29 < klafka> place to live
22:29 < klafka> i'm just trying to keep  you abreast of my living situation
22:29 < klafka> i know you find it endlessly fascinating
22:29 < klafka> :P
22:29 <@kanzure> oh, i thought you meant the university.
22:30 <@kanzure> you could just sleep in a lab somewhere
22:30 < klafka> haha
22:30 < klafka> i'll break into michael jordan's lab
22:30 < klafka> sleep there
22:30 <@kanzure> i'm sure they wouldn't mind? "will write papers for place to sleep"
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22:31 < klafka> berkeley doesn't offer MS programs
22:31 < klafka> :(
22:31 < klafka> actually maybe they do
22:31 < klafka> but only as full time
22:32 <@kanzure> maybe you should do a correspondence degree with the national university of vietnam
22:32 < klafka> lol maybe
22:32 < klafka> well stanford offers part time / online degrees
22:33 <@kanzure> is there any way you could get credit for doing one of my hairbrained projects, or a nootropics app
22:33 < klafka> LOL
22:33 < klafka> probably not
22:33 <@kanzure> i've seen degrees for much less, man
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22:34 < bluemarble_> whut up
22:35 < Mokbortolan_> Howdy
22:36 < Stee|> independent projects
22:36 < bluemarble_> steel I'm looking at that reddit thread you posted on r/transhuman about chat
22:36 < bluemarble_> brought me here
22:36  * Mokbortolan_ buys an LM334 linear regulator.
22:36 < Mokbortolan_> -n
22:37 < Mokbortolan_> chat is awesome
22:37 < Stee|> haha, cool
22:37 < Mokbortolan_> RFC 1459 is my favorite
22:37 < bluemarble_> I feel like it
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22:38 < bluemarble_> it's impossible to connect with the transhumanist community online
22:38 < Mokbortolan_> 1149's pretty good too
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22:39 < Stee|> bluemarble_, I'm trying to fix that :P
22:39 < bluemarble_> Yeah I would love to spearhead that as well, just not sure what I could do
22:41 < bluemarble_> I feel like the the transhumanist ideology stands to blow up over the next 20 years, I'm sure there are tons of people online who want to be in contact with eachother
22:41 <@kanzure> ideology?
22:42 < Stee|> oh god
22:42 <@kanzure> oh god
22:42 < Stee|> kanzure, no scaring them off
22:42 <@kanzure> RAWR
22:42  * kanzure has fire nostrils
22:42 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: maybe it's impossible to connect because you're not contributing
22:42 < Stee|> kanzure is remarkable tetchy about philosophy and ideology, and wants more people to just do the science
22:42 < Stee|> See above
22:42 < Stee|> I'm very much in the help people connect camp :P
22:42 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: however, i don't actually know you
22:43 <@kanzure> Stee|: anyone with half a brain can press "add friend" on facebook.. big deal
22:43 < Stee|> facebook is not a good discussion medium
22:43 < bluemarble_> what do you have against the ideology of it? the science is only one aspect behind bringing these things to fruition
22:44 < Stee|> inb4 'too much talking, not enough doing'
22:44 <@kanzure> well, because lots of people have believed it's about talking
22:44 <@kanzure> and they have been around for 30+ years
22:44 <@kanzure> and are still in the same boat.
22:44 < klafka> heh bcause talking doesn't actually get you anywhere
22:44 < klafka> unfortunately
22:44 <@kanzure> if you wish to join them, by all means go join them.. it will definitely all be new to you
22:45 < klafka> if wishes were fishes there'd be no room for the sea
22:45 < Stee|> I take a decidedly less cynical view
22:45 <@kanzure> it's not cynical
22:45 < Stee|> since I believe a cultural zeitgueist is useful
22:45 < klafka> what does talking about stuff accomplish without action?
22:45 < bluemarble_> I disagree that talking gets you nowhere in the big picture, if the general population has no idea what is possible, aren't we losing a ton of potential scientists?
22:45 <@kanzure> klafka: something about "badges" apparently... i dunno ;)
22:46 < Stee|> Yeah, bluemarble_, you're on the page with me
22:46 < klafka> i believe cultural zeitgeist are driven by change in tech
22:46 < klafka> fuck off
22:46 < klafka> :P
22:46  * klafka wears his badgeville shirt
22:46 <@kanzure> Stee|: stop pretending to agree with him
22:46 < Stee|> I'm mostly agreeing with him, dude
22:46 < Stee|> we've had this argument
22:46 < Stee|> bluemarble_, are you on mibbit?
22:46 < klafka> oh ok
22:46 < klafka> the fuck off was directed at kanzure
22:46 < klafka> btw
22:46 <@kanzure> what you're doing is coercive and socially irresponsible
22:46 <@kanzure> you don't even know him
22:47 <@kanzure> klafka: hah :)
22:47 < Stee|> I don't know half the world.
22:47 < Stee|> And I'm generally coercive and socially irresponsible by certain definitions.
22:47 <@kanzure> Stee|: you're agreeing with him, but assuming what his views are
22:47 < Stee|> I'm agreeing with what I perceive from his stated words
22:47 < Stee|> whoops
22:47 <@kanzure> this is a common tactic when making friends
22:47 <@kanzure> first you agree, doesn;'t matter on what
22:47 < klafka> hahaha
22:47 <@kanzure> but it turns out you have different views anyway
22:47 < Stee|> Dude, I have espoused these exact same things though
22:47 < Stee|> maybe we perceive it differently
22:47 <@kanzure> yes but these things don't actually have much substance
22:48 <@kanzure> it's like saying
22:48 <@kanzure> "yes i too believe in consciousness"
22:48 < Stee|> no, it's not
22:48 < bluemarble_> I don't know how you could be opposed to talking about it, not everybody is suited for the research aspect of it, just as not everybody is suited for the talking
22:48 < Stee|> bluemarble_, are you on mibbit?
22:48 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: that's a live and let live mindset
22:48 < bluemarble_> nah I'm not
22:48 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: do you want to be a transhuman or not? and how badly do you want it.
22:49 < Stee|> check your PMs then (yes, kanzure, I know, keep it in the open)
22:49 < klafka> we already are transhumans kanzure
22:49 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: building things is just as important as literacy
22:49 < klafka> please
22:49 <@kanzure> saying that people aren't good at it,
22:49 <@kanzure> is like saying "oh well, so much for improving ourselves"
22:49 <@kanzure> then what's the whole point of all this?
22:49 < klafka> :P
22:49 < klafka> to be more transhuman!
22:50  * kanzure goes away grumpy
22:50 < klafka> the most transhuman!
22:50 < Stee|> transhuman is a process not a point, perhaps.
22:50 < bluemarble_> No I'm just not understanding why you would be against raising discussion and awareness about the topic
22:50 <@kanzure> yes, it's a process, and refusing to participate and be a cheerleader is just annoying to me
22:50 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: what do you need to talk about
22:50 <@kanzure> we're all happy to help
22:51 < bluemarble_> a lot of things need to change for transhumanism to become mainstream, laws need to change for one
22:51 < klafka> i'm not really sure what the philosophy of transhumanism is
22:51 < klafka> seems like it's fairly fractured
22:51 < Stee|> bluemarble_: what's your background?
22:51 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: i don't think it being mainstream matters
22:51 < bluemarble_> college student in California
22:51 <@kanzure> klafka: extropy mostly..
22:51 < Stee|> bluemarble_, what field?
22:51 <@kanzure> klafka: http://www.maxmore.com/extprn3.htm
22:51 < bluemarble_> Economics
22:52 < Stee|> okay
22:52 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: you should make financial instruments around transhuman technologies. that would be helpful.
22:52 < Stee|> yeah, agreeing with kanzure
22:52 < Stee|> get good at math
22:52 < Stee|> uh
22:52 < Stee|> examine implications of post-scarcity/minimal scarcity systems
22:52 < Stee|> alternately
22:52 < Stee|> get rich as fuck with quant finance
22:52 < Stee|> fund research
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: Perpetual Progress — Seeking more intelligence, wisdom, and effectiveness, an indefinite lifespan, and the removal of political, cultural, biological, and psychological limits to self-actualization and self-realization. Perpetually overcoming constraints on our progress and possibilities. Expanding into the universe and advancing without end.
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: Self-Transformation — Affirming continual moral, intellectual, and physical self-improvement, through critical and creative thinking, personal responsibility, and experimentation. Seeking biological and neurological augmentation along with emotional and psychological refinement.
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: Practical Optimism — Fueling action with positive expectations. Adopting a rational, action-based optimism, in place of both blind faith and stagnant pessimism
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: Intelligent Technology — Applying science and technology creatively to transcend "natural" limits imposed by our biological heritage, culture, and environment. Seeing technology not as an end in itself but as an effective means towards the improvement of life.
22:53 < klafka> is this like Transhumanism as opposed to transhumanism
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: Open Society — Supporting social orders that foster freedom of speech, freedom of action, and experimentation. Opposing authoritarian social control and favoring the rule of law and decentralization of power. Preferring bargaining over battling, and exchange over compulsion. Openness to improvement rather than a static utopia
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: Self-Direction — Seeking independent thinking, individual freedom, personal responsibility, self-direction, self-esteem, and respect for others
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: Rational Thinking — Favoring reason
22:53 <@kanzure> klafka: wut
22:53 < bluemarble_> haha yeah I'm thinking something along those lines, I strongly feel that transhumanism as a whole would benefit greatly by bringing attention to it, maybe it's just me but I see it as something that will possibly displace religion here in America
22:54 < Stee|> Hmmm
22:54 < klafka> religion exists because of a ton of inertia and stupidity
22:54 < bluemarble_> People don't know what is possible with the right technology
22:54 < Stee|> I don't think so
22:54 < Stee|> though that's a valid interpretation
22:54 < Stee|> I find it much more likely that most people won't even notice it
22:54 < klafka> hmm bluemarble_  idk, i think transhumanism is really overly optimistic
22:54 < Stee|> how many people think about the implication of smartphones--especially people growing up with them?
22:55 < Stee|> or wikipedia
22:55 < klafka> and yeah that's the thing
22:55 < klafka> people are stupid
22:55 <@kanzure> who cares if they are stupid?
22:55 <@kanzure> what does that matter
22:55 < bluemarble_> Smartphones don't potentially offer transcendence or indefinite lifespans
22:55 < klafka> they aren't going to be self aware of the zeitgeist in which they live
22:55 < Stee|> notably
22:55 < Stee|> this means more money for me
22:55 < Stee|> thank god
22:56 < bluemarble_> I think transhumanism stands to turn into a secular spirituality for people
22:56 < Stee|> blegh, spirituality
22:56 < klafka> why would it be spiritual?
22:56 < klafka> why do you think people will adopt this mantra
22:57 < Stee|> klafka: certain brains are wired that way, possibly
22:57 < bluemarble_> because like I said, it potentially offers things that only religion has been able to previously
22:57 < klafka> i frankly see lots of rigorous restrictions on tech looming outside of military uses
22:57 <@kanzure> ok if that was true,
22:57 < klafka> because people fear the unknown
22:57 <@kanzure> then why isn't science a religion
22:58 <@kanzure> i think this breaks your argument.
22:58 < Stee|> kanzure: it is treated like one
22:58 < Stee|> by a lot of people
22:58 < bluemarble_> science isn't a religion because at the moment it can't promise these things
22:58 < klafka> idk science certainly extended the average lifespan by a good 30+ years
22:58 <@kanzure> and who exactly has promised you things?
22:58 < bluemarble_> it's just useful to us, it doesnt offer us unprecedented things that transhumanism might
22:59 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: i want my cool transhumanist tech as much as any one else,
22:59 <@kanzure> or perhaps even more than anyone else
22:59 <@kanzure> so much that i'm willing to do as much of it on my own as i need to
22:59 <@kanzure> it's not a promise, it's a plan..
22:59 < bluemarble_> religion is so prevalent because it gives people hope to live eternally and in a utopia, to be a part of something else, more than the human condition
23:00 < Stee|> bluemarble_, keep in mind that while kanzure is acerbic and I disagree with his opinions, he has his reasons for his opinions.
23:00 < Stee|> (just as a note)
23:00 < klafka> heh
23:00 <@kanzure> i should be hugely refreshing to anyone worrying about these technologies
23:00 <@kanzure> no more pop articles that whisk you away
23:00 < klafka> it's true
23:01 <@kanzure> just a man, a plan, and something about a certain country south of the border
23:01 < klafka> also bluemarble_  once you actually do research and science the reality of these promises seem far more epheremal
23:01 < bluemarble_> Of course he does, I just think he may focusing too much on the science and not enough on the social repercussions of such powerful transformative technologies
23:01 < Stee|> bluemarble_: let him. Let me worry about the social aspects
23:01 < klafka> bluemarble_ it's because the science is hard enough
23:01 < Stee|> *and make money
23:01 < klafka> lol
23:01 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: what do you want to do, prevent access to it?
23:01 <@kanzure> because i gotta admit, i don't like that
23:01 < Stee|> I think he wants to ensure access
23:01 < Stee|> and is worried about other people preventing access
23:01 <@kanzure> if you want to prevent me from doing transhumanist-related things, i will not let you stop me.
23:02 < Stee|> which is my worry, really
23:02 < klafka> kanzure i am pretty convinced the government will do
23:02 <@kanzure> and honestly, i haven't met anyone who has tried to stop me
23:02 <@kanzure> nope
23:02 < klafka> especially the US government
23:02 <@kanzure> government is ok with me
23:02 < klafka> in 5-10 years
23:02 <@kanzure> fbi has been very cooperative
23:02 < klafka> right now
23:02 < klafka> we'll see, 5-10 years
23:02 < bluemarble_> I'm worried that people wont get their noses out of their stupid fairytales long enough to see whats possible
23:02 <@kanzure> perhaps. i certainly don't want to rely on them..
23:02 < bluemarble_> are you all American?
23:02 < Stee|> I am.
23:02 < Stee|> I'm planning on starting the first H+ legal/business consulting firm
23:02 < Stee|> :P
23:02 < bluemarble_> nice
23:02 < Stee|> in about 10 years
23:02 < klafka> the 3 talking seem to be
23:02 < Stee|> kanzure thinks I'm silling
23:02 < Stee|> *silly
23:02 < Stee|> silling? wtf
23:03 <@kanzure> "consulting" is such a vague term
23:03 < Stee|> I know
23:03 <@kanzure> that's like your tax status
23:03 < Stee|> it's great
23:03 <@kanzure> who cares what your tax status is..
23:03 <@kanzure> that tells me nothing
23:03 < Stee|> basically tell business/government how to maximize their gains and minimize their downfall, while trying to ensure open access to the technology, minimal civil uprising, and most amount in my wallet
23:04 < bluemarble_> I want to start some business related to transhumanism
23:04 < bluemarble_> not sure what that could be
23:04 < Stee|> bluemarble_: go into finance
23:04 < Stee|> get rich
23:04 < Stee|> invest
23:04 < Stee|> seriously
23:04 < klafka> yes
23:04 < klafka> that's what would be useful
23:04 < klafka> make millions/billions
23:04 < klafka> fund H+ research
23:04 < bluemarble_> I'm not a finance type of guy, I'm an entrepreneur type
23:05 < bluemarble_> Yes thats what I want to do
23:05 < klafka> make a company that makes millions and billions
23:05 < Stee|> why are you an econ major then?
23:05 < Stee|> haha
23:05 < klafka> fund H+ research
23:05 < bluemarble_> make millions/billions and dump it into H+ causes
23:05 < bluemarble_> I am a managerial economics major technically, econ is really great for running a business
23:05 < bluemarble_> it's all about making the right decisions
23:05 < klafka> hmm
23:05 < Stee|> go work for a hedge fund?
23:05 < Stee|> what are your grades like
23:05 < bluemarble_> haha how about start a hedge fund
23:06 < klafka> is managerial economics like how to use excel and pretend to work ?
23:06 < Stee|> talk to me in two or three years, I may want someone to manage an H+ hedge fund
23:06 < bluemarble_> I'm not trying to go to grad school, they're not stellar
23:06 < bluemarble_> haha that's crazy
23:06 < bluemarble_> but sounds interesting
23:06 < Stee|> Eh
23:06 < Stee|> I want to start an angel circle
23:06 < Stee|> with other engineers and scientists
23:06 <@kanzure> i thought you wanted to do public media stuff, bluemarble_
23:07 < Stee|> who can critically evaluate the quality of the proposed business plan's science
23:07 <@kanzure> have we changed your heart already
23:07 < Stee|> no, I don't think we have :P
23:07 < bluemarble_> No I just think there is a lot of utility in raising awareness of transhumanism, if I get 10 people doing what all of you are doing that is obviously a big help
23:07 < bluemarble_> I can do much more by inspiring others than working by myself
23:07 < Stee|> bluemarble_: self plugging: my forum will hopefully launch soon
23:08 <@kanzure> jesus
23:08 <@kanzure> not another forum :(
23:08 < bluemarble_> thats why I dont take the outlook that I will do it on my own and nobody can stop me
23:08 < Stee|> kanzure: oh, fuck off :P
23:08 < klafka> loool
23:08 <@kanzure> what would you do if i just launched my own forum
23:08 <@kanzure> in fact, i'll launch 20
23:08 <@kanzure> who the hell cares
23:08 < Stee|> depends on the size of your membership and what you're doing with it
23:09  * kanzure shakes his head
23:09 <@kanzure> so, these people don't matter to you
23:09 <@kanzure> unless they are registered on phpbb or something?
23:09 <@kanzure> what's up with that
23:09 < Stee|> that's what gives the forum its sway and usefulness
23:10 < Stee|> and also, again, I think the state of the online community is a travesty
23:10 < Stee|> but we've already had this debate twice
23:10 < bluemarble_> steel what will your forum be like
23:11 < Stee|> I want to focus on providing a persistent space for storage/discussion of projects, papers being released, law/philosophical applications, networking
23:11 <@kanzure> ok why not imminst
23:11 < Stee|> discussion of fashion, architecture, art, music (I may have Posthuman Era interested)
23:11 < Stee|> and have it be well moderated.
23:11 < Stee|> (that's why not imminst)
23:11 < klafka> what is transhumanist music?
23:11 < Stee|> music with transhumanist themes
23:11 < Stee|> things to get it into the popular mind
23:11 <@kanzure> they have a forum
23:11 <@kanzure> http://www.longecity.org/forum/
23:12 <@kanzure> ok go volunteer to moderate it, dude
23:12 <@kanzure> don't be a stranger
23:12 < bluemarble_> what are some example of transhumanist music?
23:12 < Stee|> check out posthuman era and ancient lasers. those are the most explicit example I know of
23:12 <@kanzure> Stee|: oh unless you're arguing that, it would be better to do it on your own ;)
23:13 < Stee|> Quite possibly :)
23:13 < Stee|> Or maybe I'm a powerhungry narcissist
23:13 <@kanzure> yeah.. that's why i don't like your plan.
23:14 < Stee|> oh well :P
23:14 < bluemarble_> I just signed up on mibbit
23:14 <@kanzure> bluemarble_: are you interning somewhere?
23:15 < Stee|> bluemarble_: I just asked about mibbit because you weren't responding to my pms :P
23:15 <@kanzure> you said something about college
23:15 < bluemarble_> I just finished an entrepreneurship internship
23:15 < Stee|> where?
23:15 < bluemarble_> with a startup near sacramento
23:16 < bluemarble_> they also have an established parent company
23:16 < bluemarble_> the owner is pretty badass, down to earth chinese guy who came here with nothing
23:16 <@kanzure> Stee|: so, would you say that you absolutely insist on a forum before you'd contribute to one of the projects in here?
23:16 <@kanzure> is that's what's going on? i need to know.
23:17 < Stee|> No? I think it's good for the community
23:17 < Stee|> I won't likely work on projects specifically in here instead of my own because I don't really do bio, and my talents are more useful (engineering wise) elsewhere
23:18 < Stee|> good for the community, my reputation, visibility, and a central place to store shit
23:18 <@kanzure> there's lots of engineering projects in here
23:18 <@kanzure> software, mechanical, bio, electronic
23:18 < klafka> i think the fact is 'transhumanism' is something that is an inexorable event due to emergent technology
23:18 < klafka> maybe not transhumanism
23:18 < Stee|> and I'll likely take a look at them once I'm done with my thesis
23:18 < yashgaroth> there's hardly any bio in here :(
23:18 <@kanzure> klafka: do you mean the singularity..
23:18 < klafka> yashgaroth um what
23:18 < klafka> kanzure ugh
23:18 < klafka> no
23:18 < klafka> well maybe
23:18 < klafka> but i'm pretty skeptical about the singularity
23:19 <@kanzure> huh? "an inexorable event"
23:19 <@kanzure> transhumanism isn't an event to my knowledge
23:19 < Mokbortolan_> it's really just going to be a cell phone
23:19 < Mokbortolan_> Motorola Cingularity
23:19 < Mokbortolan_> for AT&T
23:19 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: Motorola Life Sciences was a thing.
23:19 < klafka> oh i guess i just mean radical technological changes
23:19 < klafka> it doesn't have to be a singularity though
23:19 < Mokbortolan_> launching dec. 21 2012
23:20 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: who was it that bought cingular?
23:20 < Mokbortolan_> the must-have gift for the christmas season
23:20 < Mokbortolan_> AT&T
23:20 <@kanzure> bleh
23:21 < klafka> att
23:21 < yashgaroth> klafka: I mean molecular genetics & related fields, and that there's less than I'd like, not counting talk about diy synthesizers
23:21 < klafka> in this channel?
23:22 < yashgaroth> well, the community in general, but also here
23:22 < klafka> shit delinquentme  is always going on about bio shit as is kanzure and to a lesser extent I
23:22 < klafka> oh
23:22 < Stee|> yashgaroth: do you have a list of papers you need?
23:22 < Stee|> besides that one?
23:22 < yashgaroth> always, but never in a list, I'll get back to you
23:22 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: maybe you can bring in more bio buddies
23:22 < klafka> i mean my phd research was in comp molecular systems biology
23:22 < klafka> yeah
23:22 < klafka> go bring in more bio people
23:22 < yashgaroth> if I had some!
23:22 < klafka> bleh
23:22 < klafka> lol
23:23 < klafka> bio is in a weird place frankly
23:23 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: the sad truth is that, we're it
23:23 < Stee|> I should bring in my RL buddies
23:23 < yashgaroth> I was hoping they were all hiding here
23:23 < Stee|> I know some interested biomechs
23:23 < klafka> bio needs another few physics creations
23:23 < klafka> to really advance
23:23 < klafka> also it needs some big computational advances
23:23 < Mokbortolan_> more walking DNA
23:23 < klafka> until then i think we're pretty stymied
23:24 < klafka> especially on the hardware side
23:24 <@kanzure> what
23:24 <@kanzure> you just got very generic and vague
23:24 < yashgaroth> like equipment or what
23:24 <@kanzure> whatt
23:24 <@kanzure> equipment is just a matter of forcing people to do it
23:24 <@kanzure> what are you talking about klafka
23:24  * Mokbortolan_ predicts jetpacks and nuclear vacuums.
23:25 < klafka> because i'm tired
23:25 < klafka> :P
23:25 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: not high on the priority list imho ;)
23:25 < Stee|> kanzure: know of any papers on extrudable bioplastics?
23:25 <@kanzure> Stee|: not off the top of my head, there are a few though
23:25 <@kanzure> ask #reprap
23:25 < klafka> um specific advances in templateless DNA writing, in high throughput protein expression methods
23:26 < klafka> in more advanced and cheap flow cytometry
23:26 < Stee|> honestly, I'd really like to make a desktop bioplastic cracker
23:26 < Stee|> or something
23:26 < Stee|> so third world countries could grow plastic from crops
23:26 <@kanzure> Stee|: search the google diybio group
23:26 < klafka> that would be cool
23:26 <@kanzure> there was someone spamming abuot it
23:27 < Mokbortolan_> I just want to grow giant insect exoskeletons sans insect
23:27 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/e757bfe30b08ef6a
23:27 < Mokbortolan_> that I could live inside
23:27 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/99d67541ad264588
23:27 <@kanzure> stove top bioplastics http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/d1dd6def0afe6e5
23:28 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/2cb669531eeb0a00
23:28 < Mokbortolan_> I've seen milk plastic, that's pretty neat
23:28 <@kanzure> Biosynthesis of polylactic acid and its copolymers using evolved propionate CoA transferase and PHA
23:28 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/86aa3924595856df?fwc=1
23:34 <@kanzure> good night
23:34 < Stee|> gnite
23:34 < Stee|> thanks for the links
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