--- Log opened Fri Feb 03 00:00:45 2012 00:45 -!- strages_shop [~strages@adsl-98-67-172-243.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:12 -!- strages_shop [~strages@adsl-98-67-172-243.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:29 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-20-30.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:07 -!- marainein [~marainein@114-198-121-54.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:50 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- Z [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- Z is now known as Guest35858 04:10 -!- Guest35858 [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has quit [Client Quit] 04:27 -!- Dr_ [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- Dr_ [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has quit [Client Quit] 05:15 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-82-203.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:47 -!- malaimo [~malaimo@rail.feralhosting.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:08 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:33 <@kanzure> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/09/21/editorial-upverter-another-closed-source-vampire-exploits-open-hardware-for-ventrue-capital-pr-and-profit/ 06:33 <@kanzure> Editorial: Upverter, another closed source vampire exploits open hardware for ventrue capital, PR, and profit 06:41 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:53 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-144-254.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:03 <@kanzure> time to spam this: 07:03 <@kanzure> http://singularityu.org/launchpad/ 07:03 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:12 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-144-254.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:22 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47 <@kanzure> so i'm watching cosmos for the first time, and it's opening up with this crazy little segment against the cold war 08:47 <@kanzure> as if this is a "please donate to help save kids in africa" ad 08:47 <@kanzure> wtf 08:54 -!- Z [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:54 -!- Z is now known as Guest40262 08:55 -!- Guest40262 [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has quit [Client Quit] 09:27 -!- Grrr_ [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:29 <@kanzure> Grrr_: it worked.. 09:30 < Grrr_> Ah, excellent. 09:30 < Grrr_> So this inactivity is the norm? 09:33 <@kanzure> just say whatever you want to say 09:37 -!- kvltist [~Kvltist@p5B33ED3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 < Mokbortolan_> only YOU can prevent inactivity! 09:41 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-20-30.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:42 < Grrr_> lol 09:42 < Grrr_> Okay... 09:42 < Mariu> 1. Serve the public trust 09:42 < Mariu> 2. Protect the innocent 09:42 < Mariu> 3. Uphold the law 09:42 < Mariu> 4. Ensure the safety of OCP senior staff members 09:43 < Grrr_> What do you wish to achieve wrt to Transhumanism, and how? 09:44 < Mokbortolan_> 4. Ensure the safey of OCP senior staff members^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H 09:45 < Grrr_> OCP? 09:46 < Mokbortolan_> it's from a movie about a cyborg policeman 09:46 < Mariu> OCP stands for Omni Consumer Products, in that movie 09:46 < Mokbortolan_> a corporate policeman in a city owned by a company named OCP 09:51 < Grrr_> Anyone here familiar with Orion's Arm? 09:51 < Mariu> I'm a little 09:51 < Mariu> an MMO 09:51 < Mokbortolan_> I'm more familiar with his belt 09:51 < Mokbortolan_> oh 09:52 < Mariu> Blade Runner ? 09:52 < Mariu> xD 09:52 < Urchin> there are people here who haven't seen RoboCop? 09:52 < Mokbortolan_> or don't remember things abou tit 09:53 < Mokbortolan_> my wife will watch a movie and not remember anything about it 6mo later 09:53 < Mokbortolan_> drives me nuts 09:53 < Grrr_> I've seen Robocop... It's just been a long time... 09:54 < Mokbortolan_> So a pirate captain goes to the urologist 09:54 < Mokbortolan_> he says to the doctor, "Arr, doc, ye gotta see this" 09:54 < Grrr_> not an MMO, I'm referring to anders world building project. 09:54 < Mokbortolan_> he pulls down his breeches to reveal a small ships wheel firmly lodged around the base of his genitals 09:55 < Mokbortolan_> and exclaims painfully, "Arr! You gotta help me, it's drivin' me nuts!" 09:55 < Urchin> Grrr_: yes, I'm familiar with OA 09:56 < Urchin> not it's latest developments 09:56 < Urchin> I sort of got disilusioned with it when they dropped Creative Commons 09:58 < Mariu> I will try OA when I will have some time 09:59 < Urchin> do they still cover the next 10500 years, or did they move a bit forward with their coverage? 10:00 < Grrr_> Same time frame to the best of my knowledge. 10:00 < Grrr_> Favorite Archailect? 10:01 < Urchin> UrchinStar has the coolest name 10:01 < Urchin> and I like Omegarapture 10:02 < Urchin> Keter, possibly 10:03 -!- strages_work [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:05 < Grrr_> Yeah, Keter or The Transcend for me. 10:05 < Urchin> Omegarapture because he's one of us 10:08 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-30-55.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 < Grrr_> Can someone explain to me - I'm a newcomer to this channel - why so many say nothing? 10:09 < Mokbortolan_> they're saving up their wistom 10:09 < Omega> Huh what 10:09 < Mokbortolan_> wisdom 10:09 < Mariu> lol 10:09 < eudoxia> you mean that there's no activity or some users have been idle for sixteen years? 10:09 < Mokbortolan_> any minute now, they'll bust out with some incredibly profound statement that they've been putting together for weeks 10:10 <@kanzure> Grrr_: because we are always online 10:10 < Omega> I think most of the people that are always online just have bouncers 10:10 < Urchin> Grrr_: we just leave our irc clients online all the time 10:10 < Omega> Or... you could do that I guess. 10:11 < Urchin> mine is running in a screen on a shell server 10:12 < Urchin> and has racked up a 53 day uptime 10:12 * eudoxia reads the logs 10:12 < eudoxia> the Silk God is cool too 10:12 < Urchin> silk god? 10:12 < eudoxia> re: favorite archailect 10:13 < Urchin> I had to google it 10:13 < Urchin> they probably added it after I stopped paying attention to OA 10:14 < eudoxia> OA could move much faster if it was more of a Wiki thing 10:15 < Mariu> I think of Bentusi as an advanced species 10:16 < Urchin> OA requires a fleshing out of every article in a discussion, and discussing that much physics and stuff that way is not the best thing in wiki format 10:45 -!- Grrr_ [3a6a3588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.106.53.136] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59 -!- strages_work [~qwebirc@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:13 < fenn> when they came for the cyborgs there was no-one left to stand up for me. 11:17 <@kanzure> hi fenn 11:25 < fenn> "Mice fed the chemical resveratrol are impervious to the harmful effects of a high-fat diet" i keep reading this and wondering what the harmful effects of a high fat diet actually are 11:25 < fenn> if anything 11:26 < fenn> also, nature's citations don't even show the title of the paper, wtf are they thinking 11:26 <@kanzure> some citation forms- like in chemistry journals- exclude titles 11:26 <@kanzure> so it's only a list of authors, a date and maybe a journal abbreviation 11:27 < Urchin> some big journals require that to save space 11:27 <@kanzure> because bytes cost so much 11:27 < fenn> we are running out of electrons after all 11:27 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/64ad8acd3c47043a 11:27 < fenn> they are using them all up in those wasteful atom smashers 11:27 <@kanzure> > "And we invest a lot in infrastructure, the tags and metadata attached to 11:27 <@kanzure> > each article that makes it discoverable by other researchers through search 11:27 <@kanzure> > engines, and that links papers together through citations and subject 11:28 <@kanzure> > matter. 11:28 <@kanzure> > All of that has changed the way research is done today and makes it more 11:28 <@kanzure> > efficient. That's the added value that we bring." 11:28 < fenn> wow thanks guys 11:28 < fenn> maybe you could OCR your fucking documents too 11:32 * fenn goes to sleep 11:56 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-30-55.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-20-30.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-67-171-66-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 < delinquentme> ZOMG 12:17 < delinquentme> HIO ALL 12:17 < delinquentme> <3 <3 <3 12:17 < Mariu> xD 12:17 < Mariu> hey delinquentme 12:23 < delinquentme> so theres a new innocentive challenge 12:23 < delinquentme> https://www.innocentive.com/ar/workspace/challengeDetail?challenge=9932720 12:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-159-155.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:42 < uniqanomaly> "The Solvers are not required to transfer exclusive intellectual property rights to the Seeker. Rather, by submitting a proposal, the Solvers grants to the Seeker a royalty-free, perpetual, and non-exclusive license to use any information included in this proposal" 12:42 < uniqanomaly> ACTIVE SOLVERS: 693 12:42 < uniqanomaly> right 12:43 < uniqanomaly> https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9932821 12:45 -!- kvltist [~Kvltist@p5B33ED3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:07 < delinquentme> its marked as an active solver if you accept the terms to see the entirety of the project 13:08 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-67-171-66-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:22 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:26 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-159-155.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-159-155.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 < Mariu> later guys 13:31 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:43 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:46 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-159-155.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-82-203.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: uniqanomaly] 15:17 <@kanzure> who is doing lucidant polymers? 15:18 <@kanzure> "providing custom polymer matrices for biological separations" 15:18 <@kanzure> eh.. 15:18 <@kanzure> "Our core technical expertise is in polyacrylamide chemistry. Lucidant can synthesize linear or cross-linked polyacrylamides, as bulk powders or nanoparticles, to customer specs. If you have an existing need or a novel application, call us with your requirements." 17:14 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 17:42 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-12-109.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:56 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-98-236-11-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:05 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:23 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 18:24 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:43 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 18:52 < delinquentme> kanzure, lets do it in here 18:52 * delinquentme evil grin 18:53 < delinquentme> so all that watermark shit is ehhh 18:53 <@kanzure> delinquentme: http://singularityu.org/launchpad 18:53 < delinquentme> generated (obv) on the fly and interted into the papers 18:53 <@kanzure> yes if you look at the pdf files you will see some other metadata inserted 18:53 <@kanzure> like "AdobeWatermarkerPdf2001" 18:54 < delinquentme> so would it be hard at all to just forcibly *take* them outside of their normal operating system? 18:54 < delinquentme> ideally legal is awesome 18:54 <@kanzure> what? 18:54 <@kanzure> you mean, manually scan the papers? 18:55 < delinquentme> i mean just break the system so that they're not watermarking 18:55 <@kanzure> no. it's not that hard to remove the watermarks, but it's a little hard to tell if you got all of it 18:55 <@kanzure> like the visible watermarks are easy to remove 18:55 <@kanzure> delete the relevant pdf object, boom it no longer shows up 18:55 <@kanzure> but what about that other compressed data in a non-visible element. trickier to tell.. i need to figure out the compression scheme :x 18:57 < delinquentme> oh so there are effectively individual layers and you can remove what you need 18:57 < delinquentme> cool! 18:58 <@kanzure> yes that's how pdf works 18:58 <@kanzure> except when they are assholes and make the watermark a part of the image 19:02 <@kanzure> go pick out say, an elsevier paper 19:02 <@kanzure> and try to find the watermarks 19:02 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ 19:04 < delinquentme> ok you're telling me that the watermarks arent an issue 19:05 < delinquentme> OSCAR4, OPSIN, ChemicalTagger << these are the chemical parsers 19:09 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:13 < delinquentme> kanzure, once a researcher submits a paper 19:13 < delinquentme> they still own that paper right? 19:13 < Stee|> this depends on the journal in some cases 19:13 < Stee|> in many cases no 19:13 < Stee|> they can't publish that 'exact' paper again 19:13 < delinquentme> Stee|, what if we wanted an excerpt of that journal 19:13 < Stee|> basically, try emailing the dude 19:14 < Stee|> there's a chance that his university paid the fee to be able to distribute the article as much as they want 19:14 < Stee|> or back-door, they simply don't care 19:34 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r190-135-12-109.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:58 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r190-135-12-109.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 20:25 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-12-109.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26 < delinquentme> ate some delicious ass ice cream ... now im freezing my ass off #firstworldproblems 20:28 <@kanzure> delinquentme: http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-06-10.log shows some of the watermark removal stuff 20:28 <@kanzure> 13:35 < kanzure> hmm some journals are using this to watermark their pdfs: http://www.appligent.com/stamppdf-batch 20:28 <@kanzure> 13:35 < kanzure> heh "StampPDF Batch starts at $1,995.00 (USD) for a single server with up to 4 cores" 20:28 <@kanzure> 13:57 < kanzure> also, for removing a first page with IP address info (like from IOP): 20:28 <@kanzure> 13:57 < kanzure> pdftk input.pdf cat 2-end output.pdf 20:28 <@kanzure> 13:59 < kanzure> 104/105.pdf have been moved into http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/manual-watermark-removal-example.zip (but i'll probably delete this too) 20:29 <@kanzure> i posted some python file somewhere.. uh.. 20:29 < delinquentme> ok so you've got some code that begins to work around this stuff 20:30 <@kanzure> ask and ye shall receive (if i happen to remember where i put it) 20:34 < JayDugger> Doesn't that pdftk remove the entire first page, and not the watermark? 20:42 <@kanzure> yes 20:42 <@kanzure> the watermark code is the stuff i haven't remembered where i put 20:44 <@kanzure> 1:21 < kanzure> well i used imagemagick in the past (via 'convert') to dump pdf to images and then move signatures by coordinates or otherwise blank shit out 20:44 <@kanzure> 11:21 < streety> fair enough, makes sense with context 20:44 <@kanzure> 11:53 < kanzure> ah here's one: 20:44 <@kanzure> 11:53 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Patterning%20design%20in%20color%20at%20the%20submicron%20scale.pdf 20:44 <@kanzure> 11:53 < kanzure> see left-hand side 20:44 <@kanzure> 11:58 < kanzure> some of the pdf obj streams seem to be zipped 20:44 < delinquentme> muh feet r cold 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:16 < kanzure> using that same file, try this: 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:16 < kanzure> cat temp.pdf | grep -a "Length " | sort | uniq -c | sort -k2nr 20:45 < delinquentme> must invent foot warmer first 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:16 < kanzure> as you can see, they repeat the watermark four times (once for each page) 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:17 < kanzure> in this case lines 63-67 inclusive are the watermark on the first page 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:20 < kanzure> iirc pypdf can handle FlateDecode? 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:21 < streety> I'm not using pypdf, I think that was the package then returned text but no spaces between words 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:21 < streety> I'm using pdfminer instead. It was a pain to get my head around how it worked but generally produces good output 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:31 < kanzure> cat objstream.dat | python -c'import sys;import zlib;data=sys.stdin.read();print zlib.decompress(data)' 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:37 < kanzure> also that's probably just the display of the text and doesn't actually remove the compressed text from the file 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:41 < kanzure> the objects with "Length 40" in this file are the pdf/display commands 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:42 < kanzure> the objects like on line 6, 13, 19 and 25 are the "Downloaded by" lines 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:57 < kanzure> "Producer: Acrobat Distiller Command 3.01 for Solaris 2.3 and later (SPARC)" 20:45 <@kanzure> 12:57 < kanzure> acs is running on solaris? 20:57 <@kanzure> latex-over-http collaboration stuff https://www.sharelatex.com/ 20:58 <@kanzure> ah http://scribtex.com/ has git integration 22:04 < delinquentme> kanzure, >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_polymerase_II 22:04 < delinquentme> whats the II part about? 22:06 < yashgaroth> differentiates it from the other ones 22:07 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, so you 22:07 < delinquentme> re saying that there are 2 kinds of polmerase? 22:07 < yashgaroth> of rna pol, there are several, as with dna pol 22:08 < yashgaroth> rna pol 2 is the 'interesting' one 22:09 * delinquentme sits quietly 22:09 < delinquentme> yars. go on. 22:10 < yashgaroth> well uh, the other rna pols just make short RNAs like tRNA and RNAi 22:11 < yashgaroth> pol 2 makes mRNA for translation 22:11 < yashgaroth> why...do you ask? 22:11 < delinquentme> well it just struck me as weird that there are 2 kinds 22:11 <@kanzure> there are many kinds of polymerase molecules 22:12 <@kanzure> in humans i think there's at least 20 or 40.. something like that 22:12 < delinquentme> oh and I just learned about TRANSCRIPTION FACTORS! 22:12 < delinquentme> >_< 22:12 <@kanzure> delinquentme: you should watch an ocw class about molecular biology 22:12 <@kanzure> molecular biology is much more enjoyable when you're not being tested on random kinetic equations 22:12 < yashgaroth> haha if you think a dozen variants of pol is weird, there are tens of thousands of G-protein coupled receptors 22:13 <@kanzure> gcmp stuff? 22:13 <@kanzure> erm 22:13 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_guanosine_monophosphate 22:14 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_protein-coupled_receptor 22:14 <@kanzure> nevermind 22:14 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, kanzure article worth reading? 22:14 <@kanzure> wikipedia 22:14 < yashgaroth> molecular biology of the cell 22:14 <@kanzure> there might be an ok review somewhere, but wikipedia is ok for this sorta high-level stuff 22:15 < delinquentme> ah! so these are cellular receptors 22:15 <@kanzure> there are many types of receptors 22:15 <@kanzure> all sorts of things are classified as 'integral proteins' 22:15 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_membrane_protein 22:16 <@kanzure> well, i guess i should clarify that an integral protein doesn't have to be the actual receptor 22:16 <@kanzure> it's rather the channel 22:16 < delinquentme> an "integral protein" is something which crosses the cellular membrane? 22:16 <@kanzure> "A transmembrane protein (TP) is a protein that goes from one side of a membrane through to the other side of the membrane. Many TPs function as gateways or "loading docks" to deny or permit the transport of specific substances across the biological membrane, to get into the cell, or out of the cell as in the case of waste byproducts. As a response to the shape of certain molecules these "freight handling" TPs may have special ways of folding up or 22:17 < yashgaroth> or just embedded in the membrane, it doesn't have to necessarily cross all the way 22:17 < delinquentme> check 22:17 <@kanzure> see bacteriorhodopsin 22:17 < delinquentme> I've heard germany has alot of vocational school 22:17 < delinquentme> s 22:18 < delinquentme> i wonder if they've got one for bleeding edge biolofy 22:18 < delinquentme> biology** 22:19 < yashgaroth> are you in germany? 22:19 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i didn't really have that much special biology training, 22:19 < delinquentme> pittsburgh 22:20 <@kanzure> just read some textbooks, watch videos that don't suck 22:20 < delinquentme> true true 22:20 <@kanzure> most textbooks can be read in a week tops if you're not doing homework from it (fucking hell) 22:20 <@kanzure> at least in biology 22:20 < yashgaroth> it's true 22:20 < delinquentme> kanzure, I guess i need to work on spee dreading? 22:20 < delinquentme> speed* reading 22:21 < yashgaroth> what do you aim to learn about biology? 22:21 <@kanzure> delinquentme: well the average high school graduate reads 400 wpm, 22:21 <@kanzure> the average college grad reads 600-700 wpm 22:22 <@kanzure> i recommend getting up to 900-1100 wpm.. 22:23 <@kanzure> "While the average adult reading rate is 250 words per minute with 70% comprehension,[3] speed reading programs typically claim that improvements to 500 words per minute or more while maintaining or improving comprehension are possible." 22:23 <@kanzure> wtf... 250? 22:23 <@kanzure> 500 wpm isn't that hard 22:23 < delinquentme> never been tested on comprehension 22:24 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, I want to get a job working on regen medicine 22:24 <@kanzure> no you don't 22:24 <@kanzure> i know you too well. 22:25 < delinquentme> something having to do w genomics 22:25 < delinquentme> ehh web apps and all the other shit is ... 22:25 < delinquentme> meh. 22:25 <@kanzure> you want to play with cool toys, do good work and not have to put up with bs 22:25 <@kanzure> that's not a job 22:25 <@kanzure> web apps are a job too 22:25 <@kanzure> but i'm pretty sure you don't want to do those anymore 22:25 < yashgaroth> haha that's my job 22:25 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, you're a programmer? 22:25 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: me too.. except also android, iphone, windows 22:26 < yashgaroth> fuck no, I'm in biochemistry 22:26 < yashgaroth> mostly protein production 22:26 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, where at? 22:26 < delinquentme> SV? 22:27 < yashgaroth> if by SV you mean sorrento valley, then you're very close 22:27 < delinquentme> oh so sandiego then? 22:27 < yashgaroth> yup 22:27 < delinquentme> not bad i applied @ organovo 22:27 < delinquentme> hella cool company 22:28 < yashgaroth> ah yes I've heard of them 22:28 < delinquentme> printing body parts man! 22:28 < delinquentme> all for it 22:29 < yashgaroth> I don't make anything bigger than 250 kilodaltons usually 22:29 < yashgaroth> unless you count plasmids, which I don't 22:30 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, so you're kind of a biochemist 22:30 < delinquentme> derp 22:30 < delinquentme> its close to bed time 22:30 < delinquentme> :D 22:30 < yashgaroth> I'm classically a molecular biologist, but I go where jobs take me 22:30 <@kanzure> sleep is for poor people 22:30 < yashgaroth> "poors" 22:31 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, so daily tools are...? 22:31 < Mokbortolan_> grow me a patch of retina that I can insert under my skin with some NGF so I can use it as a data input channel 22:31 < yashgaroth> FPLC mostly, TC hoods 22:31 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_, Advanced cell tech has that 22:31 < delinquentme> FPLC? 22:31 < Mokbortolan_> little lasers'd do great 22:31 < delinquentme> related to HLPC? 22:31 <@kanzure> you don't just patch in neurons like that :P 22:32 < yashgaroth> yes, but bigger 22:32 < yashgaroth> HPLC is mostly for analysis, FPLC for large-scale purification 22:32 < Mokbortolan_> that's just another problem to overcome 22:32 < yashgaroth> you've got two retinas already, surely you can spare one for data input 22:32 < Mokbortolan_> no, I need those for looking around 22:32 <@kanzure> use your tongue instead 22:33 < Mokbortolan_> the tongue works pretty good 22:33 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_, there are already brain - memory interfaces 22:33 < delinquentme> and you dont need a retina 22:33 < Mokbortolan_> but then you have a hard time talking 22:33 <@kanzure> delinquentme: ? 22:33 < delinquentme> just diodes in your skull 22:33 <@kanzure> memory interfaces? 22:33 < delinquentme> kanzure, i've already showed u this :D 22:33 <@kanzure> you mean ted berger's stuff? 22:33 <@kanzure> the artificial hippocampus algorithms? 22:33 < delinquentme> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2011%2F06%2F17%2Fscience%2F17memory.html&ei=PdEsT8q7AcLc0QG_04nsCg&usg=AFQjCNEomEnRkXxgaEDwK8VSSyEWksg-lA 22:34 < delinquentme> deadwyler 22:34 < delinquentme> awesome last name 22:34 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, where'd you go to school and what level of degree? 22:34 <@kanzure> well berger is at least cited in there 22:34 < delinquentme> i want a phd in 3 years 22:34 < yashgaroth> UW-Seattle, BS 22:34 < Mokbortolan_> I doubt the electrodes they used to attach it were designed to last a human's lifespan... but I guess that's also just another problem to overcome 22:34 < delinquentme> oh 22:35 <@kanzure> delinquentme: go get a phd in some third world country, done 22:35 <@kanzure> just show up and hand them money 22:35 <@kanzure> why the hell do you want the degree? 22:35 < yashgaroth> I may do a phd but I don't wanna work 12 hour days and/or 8 years, for scraps 22:35 < delinquentme> ^^^^ 22:36 <@kanzure> delinquentme: if you actually have research you need to do, you should just do it 22:36 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.gizmag.com/retinal-stem-cell-transplant/21210/ 22:36 <@kanzure> regardless of a doctorate attached to it. 22:38 < delinquentme> kanzure, agreed 22:38 < delinquentme> I simply dont have research to do yet 22:38 <@kanzure> i thought you wanted to do lab automation :( 22:38 <@kanzure> really, i think cheap lab automation is super important 22:39 <@kanzure> compared to the phd pyramid scheme 22:39 < yashgaroth> hey man undergrads are way cheaper than most equipment 22:39 <@kanzure> not at my rates :3 22:40 < delinquentme> so ive got to go out read lots of research and begin designing experiments 22:43 < yashgaroth> well, get the basics down first 22:45 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, im kind of anti the traditional learning model 22:45 <@kanzure> why experiments? 22:45 < delinquentme> granted programming isnt biology 22:46 <@kanzure> i mean, why not pick something like, "i want to build x" and just build that 22:46 < delinquentme> kanzure, i mean just something novel / useful 22:46 <@kanzure> novel or useful pick one :P (kidding) 22:46 < delinquentme> another option is to go find experiments and attempt to recreate them 22:46 < yashgaroth> if you just jump into current research you'll have a difficult time, I still do 22:47 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, oh for sure ... lots of googling 22:47 < delinquentme> but you can highlight >> right click >> google 22:47 < delinquentme> ill get it sorted :D 22:47 < yashgaroth> aight 22:48 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, thats bad ass though 22:48 < delinquentme> FLPC 22:48 < delinquentme> thats like *PRODUCTION* level chemical development 22:48 < yashgaroth> well that is what I'm doing with it 22:48 * delinquentme knows what hes squeezing one off to tonight 22:49 < delinquentme> :P 22:49 < delinquentme> yeah man thats hella cool 22:49 < delinquentme> OK IM OUT KIDS 22:49 < delinquentme> 6 hours 22:49 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-98-236-11-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52 <@kanzure> did he just.. 22:52 <@kanzure> what 22:52 < yashgaroth> I don't know if he was implying shitting or masturbation, and frankly I don't wanna know 22:56 < ybit> yashgaroth: don't read this: he meant masturbation 22:56 < yashgaroth> well, I suppose that's the preferable one 22:56 <@kanzure> damn it ybit 23:07 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:10 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:16 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:21 <@kanzure> oh shit 23:21 <@kanzure> this guy i'm talking with is senior manager of product dev at pacbio 23:22 < yashgaroth> heh, pacbio 23:22 <@kanzure> apparently they use c# to run their sequencer 23:22 <@kanzure> :/ 23:25 <@kanzure> hmm how do i absorb his brain 23:25 <@kanzure> maybe i could make it out like i'm a clueless-but-stellar software person that he decides to hire 23:29 < klafka> hey kanzure or anyone else good w/ mongo? 23:29 < klafka> tell them i bought stock in them so don't suck 23:29 < yashgaroth> you poor bastard 23:30 < klafka> ah well 23:30 <@kanzure> klafka: i've kicked around mongodb once or twice.. don't know if i'm stellar or not 23:30 < klafka> ah 23:30 < klafka> i have a bunch of bson files 23:30 < klafka> and i want to query one of them 23:30 <@kanzure> a-ha 23:30 <@kanzure> that's how i knew this guy 23:30 <@kanzure> his name seemed familiar 23:30 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/polymerase/Real-time%20DNA%20sequencing%20from%20single%20polymerase%20molecules%20-%202009.pdf 23:30 <@kanzure> he's a co-author on that paper. that's how i know his name. --- Log closed Sat Feb 04 00:00:07 2012