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06:28 < kanzure> heh 3d prited hermit crab shells
06:29 < kanzure> why is ray kurzweil appearing in superbowl ads
06:30 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLzXmcTzka4
06:31 < kanzure> *printed
06:37 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3557074 blah blah blah tdcs has imprecise electrode placement
06:37 < uniqanomaly> you guys seen that? http://2045.com/
06:41 < kanzure> i don't see any of the normal russian transhumanists
06:41 < kanzure> http://2045.com/experts/
06:42 < kanzure> http://2045.com/manifest/28611.html
06:42 < kanzure> http://2045.com/plan/28695.html
06:42 < kanzure> http://2045.com/open-letter/28610.html
06:44 < kanzure> strange.
06:44 < uniqanomaly> kanzure: what exactly?
06:45 < uniqanomaly> oh, "i don't see any of the normal russian transhumanists" that?
06:45 < kanzure> the absence of the normal suspects
06:45 < kanzure> like ~Uжов ~\а~Bвей ~Tми~B~@иеви~G
06:47 < kanzure> oleg yermakov, alexey potapov, Сажин, zhitelew, pashuntiy
06:48 < kanzure> igor artyuhov.. valerijapride, danila medvedev, andrey bashmakov
06:53 < uniqanomaly> http://thesingularity.com/videos/dmitry-itskov-on-project-immortality-2045
06:54 < uniqanomaly> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEi3ZAYheT0 here's official vid
07:05 < uniqanomaly> not worth watching
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08:02 < kanzure> spfldcol.edu has a lot of subscriptions..
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09:02 < fenn> there is some evidence for oxidative stress as the trigger for the beneficial effects of exercise (see work of michael ristow)
09:04 < fenn> heh steven seagal appears again
09:06 < fenn> "Renowned actor and martial artist Steven Seagal has written an open letter to Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, asking the Prime Minister’s support of the “Russia 2045” movement that aims to make Russia the center of immortality and artificial body research."
09:08 < fenn> kests is cute and a much better version of the "space elevator" but unfortunately it has the same material strength problems due to being 100Mm long
09:09 < fenn> i'd rather publicize rotating tether concepts such as on tethers.com
09:10 < fenn> they are actually feasible to build today, with today's budgets ($50M)
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09:20 < superkuh> Their electrodynamic tether concepts are amazing.
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09:51 < delinquentme> howdy all!
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09:54 < kanzure> hi delinquentme
09:55 < delinquentme> http://www.nature.com/news/one-genome-from-many-1.9969 <<< im looking at this paper and im unable to figure out why its significant
09:57 < kanzure> well, it looks like they don't want to do separation by molecular weight
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11:18 < jrayhawk> fenn: there's also the research that indicates that antioxidant supplementation worsens some cancers and heart disease
11:23 < jrayhawk> or, rather, people who are long-term antioxidant supplementers have worse outcomes for cancers and heart disease
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11:32 < delinquentme> http://boingboing.net/2012/02/06/zapping-the-brain-into-exper.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
11:32 < delinquentme> kanzure, ^^^ this requires NO internal electronics??
11:35 < kanzure> tcds?
11:39 < strages> tDCS yes
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11:52 < delinquentme> omg its Mokbortolan_1 !
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11:56 < Mokbortolan_1> It is?!?
11:56 < Mokbortolan_1> where?!
11:56  * Mokbortolan_1 gets his camera.
11:56 < Mokbortolan_1> oh hey, I'm working on tDCS
11:57 < Mokbortolan_1> me and another fellow are working on a schematic over at reddit.com/r/tdcs
11:59 < delinquentme> what is tCDS?
11:59 < delinquentme> YEH that mok thing is here!
11:59 < delinquentme> PS im about to write a possible PI ... suggestions other than "please give me a job"
11:59 < Mokbortolan_1> transcranial direct current stimulation
12:00 < delinquentme> STFU
12:00 < Mokbortolan_1> basically you add a few mA of current to a section of the brain, and depending upon the polarity you can raise or lower the "activation threshhold" for the neurons there
12:00 < Mokbortolan_1> there's another term for it
12:00 < Mokbortolan_1> so you make it easier or harder for them to fire
12:01 < delinquentme> TIL 9volts can kill you
12:01 < Mokbortolan_1> indeed
12:01 < Mokbortolan_1> although, it's the amps that do it
12:01 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_1, are you an electrician?
12:01 < Mokbortolan_1> no, I'm a polymath
12:01 < delinquentme> GOD im so glad we've got the people we do in here
12:01 < delinquentme> good answer :D
12:01 < delinquentme> but you're capable with electronic circuits and the like?
12:02 < delinquentme> when I pick my liquid handler back up i'd be really interested in getting some feedback on some of the circuit layouts
12:02 < Mokbortolan_1> yes, I'm fairly handy with a soldering iron
12:02 < Mokbortolan_1> I'm no EE, but I can make an LED light up and not burn out :p
12:03 < Mokbortolan_1> the circuit we're working on (well, the one that I've got to draw and build now) is far safer than the original potentiometer-only model
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12:08 < Mokbortolan_> looks like I'm due for a router reset
12:09 < kanzure> damn it why can't we phase out physical mail from being a socially acceptable way to send email
12:09 < kanzure> it is *not* ok
12:10 < Mokbortolan_> "Way to kill a tree, snail-mail"
12:15 < kanzure> so, i hate that i have to pay to print and send to people who want physical copies
12:15 < kanzure> i'd rather pay for a physical mail sending api
12:15 < kanzure> there's a fedex printer driver that you can install, but i don't know if it lets you type in the destination address
12:16 < kanzure> also it seems to be windows-only.
12:16 < jrayhawk> It's illegal for them to transport first-class letters.
12:16 < kanzure> fax machines sorta solved this (for their time)
12:16 < kanzure> but with email now, fax machines are just stupid- beyond stupid
12:16 < delinquentme> just spent 10 minutes ranting about the awesomeness of calculus to my little brother
12:16 < kanzure> so hellofax is a fix on top of the fix
12:16  * delinquentme smells like corn chips
12:16 < kanzure> but hellofax doesn't actually fix it! it just sends your fax to email
12:17 < kanzure> the point of a fax machine was to have it printed out
12:17 < kanzure> so at the very least, hellofax should have a "manage your inbox, here's a queue of things that you might want to choose to print" ui thing.. i don't know
12:17 < kanzure> (hellofax does hosted virtual fax machines)
12:17 < jrayhawk> IIRC google's phone services do that, too
12:18 < kanzure> nice.
12:18 < kanzure> i hate sending emails as physical mail. you mean i have to pay for transmission + ink + paper because you don't want to print it out yourself? then doesn't that mean you want email.. i.e. the value of it being printed is not great enough for you to justify the cost of printing
12:19 < kanzure> the receiving party should be responsible for paying for transportation/delivery/printing, not the sender (if the sender is sending by email)
12:19 < jrayhawk> I'm afraid the postal union is a bit better politically entrenched than you are
12:20 < kanzure> there's lots of b2b or b2c bulk mailing companies, but nothing that's at the same market level as hellofax really.. fedex's print driver might be an exception, but i'm not convinced it solves the problem
12:20 < kanzure> if anything, there should be a service that physically prints my mail, or hooks up to a remote printer driver at the destination office
12:21 < kanzure> fax machines are weird.. auto-printing incoming stuff. but why do people still use them? is there really no sufficiently usable "show me a to-print queue from my email inbox"?
12:23 < kanzure> so! how about a physical mail printing service. you send an email to your recipient, and carbon copy the email to this service.
12:23 < kanzure> it responds back to your email thread with an invoice/bill for the cost of printing, which either party can pay
12:23 < kanzure> either party can setup their account on this service to, say, "pay 50% of the fee; default to email-only delivery for me please"
12:24 < kanzure> so if two parties are email-only, then nothing happens
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12:24 < kanzure> if one party is email only but he's willing to pay 50%, and the other party doesn't know wtf this is, maybe he'll figure the value of printing and receiving the physical letter is high enough and pay the 50%.. or just decide "nevermind, sending by email is fine"
12:26 < kanzure> then there can be an artificial premium on physically printing stuff out :) like 40% or something. "well you see, it costs us so much to print and then there's postage fees and envelopes.."
12:26 < kanzure> if the other party thinks the fee is too high, but still wants it physically printed, he can either print it himself or find a cheaper api. either way it solves the problem for the email-only person who was sending it
12:27 < kanzure> jrayhawk: thoughts?
12:28 < kanzure> oh also- this would work for sending in mail to nameless corps where you can't send that printing/delivery invoice to them. but in these cases you'd have to foot the bill (or it would be subsidized by your monthly subscription fee to this service)
12:34 < kanzure> delinquentme: did you teach him anything
12:37 < jrayhawk> thoughts: basically the only time anything good happens to USPS service it's because the supreme court orders it
12:38 < jrayhawk> I guess the postal regulatory commission does nice things sometimes, too
12:39 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure this would route around usps
12:39 < kanzure> i mean, it would probably use usps for the actual sending part when some asshole really wants a physical version
12:39 < kanzure> but by that point they already confirmed that they want to receive physical mail
12:40 < jrayhawk> the usps gives you legal protections that nobody else can
12:40 < kanzure> true, legally sensitive documents should probably not be sent by email
12:40 < kanzure> or rather *not be sent by poorly maintained, unencrypted, who-knows-is-hosting-it email
12:40 < fenn> when talking about "should" you can't neglect to discuss public key cryptography
12:41 < fenn> anyone can drop some crap in a mailbox and put my name on the return address
12:41 < jrayhawk> The USPS is the only system where you can send somebody something and it becomes their liability for their failure to read it
12:42 < jrayhawk> or to claim of failure to have received it
12:42 < kanzure> wait what
12:42 < kanzure> i just ignore my mailbox and set everything to email-only
12:43 < kanzure> i wonder if there's random jury duty notices in there
12:43 < jrayhawk> haha
12:44 < kanzure> "holy crap! i have to be in court in 20 minutes!" comedy ensues
12:45 < jrayhawk> So whatever you're proposing would take an act of congress to make broadly usable, so, once again, you'd be fighting the postal union.
12:45 < kanzure> huh? what i'm proposing would still use usps
12:45 < jrayhawk> I'm glad businesses are occasionally willing to settle for email billing.
12:45 < jrayhawk> Oh, well, in that case, you're directly fighting the postal union.
12:46 < kanzure> but instead of *me* paying for postage and printing and paper and a printer, someone else does unless they find the value of the physical doc less than the cost of printing
12:46 < delinquentme> kanzure, yeah!
12:46 < delinquentme> talked about how math is like hacking
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12:46 < delinquentme> theres tons of different ways to get any one solution
12:46 < jrayhawk> But, hey, literally anything's better than what we have now, so I'm in support of your plan.
12:46 < delinquentme> and so long as the mechanics are right you're golden!
12:46 < jrayhawk> Despite having only glanced over it
12:46 < delinquentme> and then he kinda blew my mechanics and showed me up
12:46 < jrayhawk> and really doubting it will go anywhere because good ideas don't survive in politics
12:47 < kanzure> jrayhawk: the brief version is, "email the doc to them; printing/mailing service gives the other party a bill/invoice. either party can pay the bill to have it sent/printed."
12:47 < kanzure> email is substantially cheaper compared to physical mailing, printing costs, envelopec osts, postage costs..
12:48 < jrayhawk> I was assuming there would be a USPS-proprietary message sending/receiving API, since email is not really practical for this purpose.
12:48 < kanzure> if email was some new tech that nobody uses, i could see how physical printing would be more popular and why i should pay it -- but it's not.. email is standard now.
12:48 < kanzure> ah i see
12:48 < kanzure> yes this would just be for printable documents, and the service would still use usps to physically bring the atoms to the destination mailbox
12:48 < fenn> you guys are not communicating with each other and should just stop
12:49 < delinquentme> kanzure, use sendgrid
12:49 < delinquentme> they're hot as
12:49 < kanzure> sendgrid is email only i thought
12:49 < jrayhawk> communicating is for suckers
12:49 < delinquentme> ^^
12:49 < delinquentme> thats what i tell my female
12:49 < delinquentme> she doesnt like it
12:49 < delinquentme> what're you guys working on?
12:49  * delinquentme is not a mysogynist
12:49 < delinquentme> sexist yes
12:50 < kanzure> fenn: do you know which microfluidic dna synthesis startup might know singularityu or andrew hessel? i haven't found any names :|
12:50 < jrayhawk> does being a misanthrope technically make me a misogynist
12:52 < delinquentme> kanzure, what about hessel?
12:52 < delinquentme> i've talked to the guy
12:53 < delinquentme> jrayhawk, you're on the next level bro
12:53 < delinquentme> you're not distinguishing :D
12:55 < kanzure> delinquentme: what do you mean what about him.. i already asked the question
12:55 < kanzure> name a dna synthesis startup that knows andrew
12:55 < kanzure> andrew hasn't given me the name yet.
13:00 < delinquentme> OOO
13:00 < delinquentme> so today someone connected the dots that
13:00 < delinquentme> JOURNALS
13:00 < delinquentme> PAY WALL
13:00 < delinquentme> publically funded research
13:00  * delinquentme nods head
13:01 < kanzure> duh?
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13:37 < delinquentme> is a paper is released on PLoS does that mean that the publisher specifically released it with an open license ?
13:52 < kanzure> no plos is its own publisher
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13:55 < delinquentme> kanzure, so its wrong to assume that a researcher supports open science if they happen to have a paper published in PLOS?
13:56 < kanzure> plos is an ok outlet to publish, but it's relatively new
13:56 < kanzure> i bet everyone who publishes in plos knows its history
13:57 < delinquentme> http://glamm.lbl.gov/  this is BEAUTIFUL
13:57 < kanzure> and i also bet that people who publish in plos have other journals that would potentially accept their submissions
13:57 < kanzure> delinquentme: is this the one that juul works on?
13:57 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you mean that PLoS is going out? or that they know what its about
13:58 < kanzure> that they know its history and being about open access
13:58 < delinquentme> kanzure, the app is from that primary researcher
13:58 < kanzure> plos isn't really going out as far as i can tell, except for the general apocalypse that will destroy the 'journal' concept
13:58 < delinquentme> and yeah this is the position working under that guy ... arkin
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13:58 < kanzure> oh this looks like a bad version of reactome
13:58 < kanzure> awful
13:59 < kanzure> http://www.reactome.org/cgi-bin/frontpage?CLASSIC=1
13:59 < kanzure> hover over the items
14:01 < kanzure> hrm this is worse than i remembered it.
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14:29 < Mokbortolan_> http://falstad.com/circuit/
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14:50 < kanzure> Juul: delinquentme was looking at glamm.. is that you?
14:50 < Juul> kanzure, nope
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15:58 < delinquentme> thats a really pretty app :D
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16:14 < delinquentme> techno-lol? http://www.kurzweilai.net/salmon-dna-based-memory-device
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16:29 < roksprok> Mokbortolan_: how is your tdcs device coming along?
16:30 < Mokbortolan_> I got the LM334's in the other day
16:30 < Mokbortolan_> I picked up a resistor assortment today
16:30 < Mokbortolan_> still need to get a 300 ohm pot
16:31 < Mokbortolan_> and then I get to figure out how to make circuit boards :)
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16:34 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_, you in #robotics
16:34 < delinquentme> they've got lots of ghetto ways to make em
16:36 < Mokbortolan_> naa, I mean, I know how, I just need to figure out how I'm going to do it this time
16:36 < Mokbortolan_> I don't have a nice drill press to do the through-holes
16:36 < Mokbortolan_> I'll probably just use breadboard
16:39 < roksprok> where are you getting your parts?
16:39 < roksprok> more the LM334's and potentiometer
16:39 < roksprok> than the resistors
16:39 < roksprok> Amazon has them but shipping looks to be a bitch
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16:41 < delinquentme> yaw eudoxia =]
16:41 < eudoxia> hello friends
16:44 < delinquentme> can anyone grab this http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5719724 ??
16:44 < Mokbortolan_> roksprok: I got my regulators off ebay
16:44 < Mokbortolan_> because my credit card was in the car and I didn't want to have to get dressed :p
16:44 < Mokbortolan_> Convenience payment FTW!
16:45 < roksprok> always a good reason
16:45 < delinquentme> win
16:45 < Mokbortolan_> I'm thinking about putting together kits, but that's probably just my recent business activities bleeding over into my other hobbies :p
16:46 < roksprok> Mokbortolan_: what are you using for electrodes?
16:46 < Mokbortolan_> cosmetic sponges secured to copper discs
16:47 < Mokbortolan_> they have a very fine texture and are good for this purpose
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16:47 < Mokbortolan_> at least, I think they are
16:47 < roksprok> cool hope it works well
16:47 < Mokbortolan_> I'm sure some person more educated is going to tell me why they're a terrible idea
16:47 < Mokbortolan_> but until then I will proceed with unfettered ignorance
16:47 < roksprok> well some guy on youtube just hooked sponges up to a battery and didn't die
16:48 < Mokbortolan_> yeah, that guy is what scares me about selling kits
16:49 < roksprok> you'd have to include a big warning or three
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16:51 < delinquentme> kanzure, what are the genomes called which people align sequences to?
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17:11 < kanzure> delinquentme: reference genomes?
17:12 < kanzure> "I think stating I am a fan may not be entirely appropriate to say to another directly, but I rather admire your commitment to the DIYbio community. Thanks for keeping it strong."
17:12 < kanzure> what's wrong with being a fan
17:15 < delinquentme> yeap but lando made an awesome suggestion
17:15 < delinquentme> kanzure, someone wrote that to you?
17:15 < kanzure> yes
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17:21 < audy> zomg going to Shezhen
17:22 < audy> gonna see where those reference genomes are sequenced
17:22 < kanzure> lots of em were sequenced in the us
17:22 < kanzure> do you mean shenzhen?
17:23 < kanzure> or is this another place
17:34 < kanzure> http://cadrequest.com/ some sorta community cad model requesting place
17:34 < kanzure> this seems easy to game..
17:34 < kanzure> i'll just post a million requests for all patents
17:38 < kanzure> i hope he can keep up
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18:06 < audy> kanzure: Shenzhen sorry
18:06 < audy> kanzure: The Chamber of 1000 Illuminas
18:07 < kanzure> cool
18:07 < kanzure> steal some genomes for me would you? :)
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18:17 < yashgaroth> ey kanzure I drew up a picture of that oligo manufacturing process from yesterday's rant
18:17 < yashgaroth> http://i.imgur.com/cl7Ng.jpg
18:21 < delinquentme> ^^^ i hang out w the coolest kids on earth
18:22 < delinquentme> true fucking story
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18:33 < kanzure> yashgaroth: thanks
18:34 < kanzure> delinquentme_: yep we're definitely the cool kid club
18:34 < delinquentme_> ^^^
18:34  * Mokbortolan_ has never been in the cool kid club.
18:34 < kanzure> damn does this mean i need to make up diagrams for the other parts
18:34 < delinquentme_> lol but really!
18:34 < kanzure> god damn it don't set the bar so high
18:35 < delinquentme_> we're toting around serious weaponry
18:35 < delinquentme_> we're talking about *HUGE* enemies
18:35 < delinquentme_> real shit
18:35 < kanzure> enemies?
18:35 < delinquentme_> like what do some of the other friend I have talk about
18:35 < delinquentme_> how "we" ( XYZ football team ) kicked ass
18:35  * delinquentme_ gags
18:36 < delinquentme_> kanzure, you know .. those who take public research and sit on it
18:36 < delinquentme_> enemies / undertakings .. projects
18:36 < delinquentme_> call it what you want
18:36 < delinquentme_> but gimme that small wildly optimistic group tucked away in the corner and ill put my money on them for who will make changes
18:37 < delinquentme_> simply
18:37 < Stee|> I'm working on getting my rich investor friend interested in throwing more money at kanzure
18:37 < delinquentme_> better focuses than 90% of the world
18:37 < kanzure> well i guess that's better than your poor investor friend?
18:38 < kanzure> sarcasm side- sounds cool
18:38 < Stee|> I'll be the poor investor friend soon :V
18:46 < kanzure> delinquentme_: your goal should be to become 1000x more competent than anyone in here..
18:47 < delinquentme_> thats quite the undertaking
18:47 < delinquentme_> like you alone have google beaten on depthy subjects
18:48 < delinquentme_> BUT why do you say this?
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18:53 < delinquentme_> kanzure, ^^
18:54 < yashgaroth> well, even if you only become 10x more competent than anyone else, that's pretty good
18:57 < yashgaroth> also delinq why didn't you think that article at http://www.nature.com/news/one-genome-from-many-1.9969 was significant? cuz it hella is
18:59 < kanzure> i vote delusional coma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnyjw5LUj0&t=10
19:01 < yashgaroth> delinq: 99% of microorganisms can't be grown in culture so you can't get a pure sample like with larger animals or e.coli
19:02 < yashgaroth> craig venter spent a long time boating around the ocean sequencing random genes from shit out there, but if you're looking for whole biosynthetic pathways you need a whole genome
19:03 < kanzure> isn't that just "how to figure out which segment belongs to which genome" in that link?
19:03 < yashgaroth> basically yes, it's all bioinformatics based
19:04 < yashgaroth> it's not a groundbreaking discovery, just good algorithm design
19:04 < kanzure> i guess traditional assembly doesn't account for the possibility of an unknown number of genomes with possibly copied segments in each
19:04 < kanzure> *in each, within the samples you feed it
19:05 < yashgaroth> and they're doing it at UW-Seattle which automatically means it's awesome
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19:11 < kanzure> flying quadrotor swarm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4
19:11 < kanzure> not sure why it's called nano
19:12 < eudoxia>  same here
19:12 < eudoxia> god damm bandwagoning students
19:12 < yashgaroth> because hopefully that's as small as quadrotors will get; if they get any smaller, they can just fly into your mouth and choke you to death
19:12 < kanzure> maybe it was for the grant money
19:12 < delinquentme_> yashgaroth, yeah I had someone explain it
19:13 < delinquentme_> totes realize the gravity of it now
19:13 < yashgaroth> okay good just checking
19:13 < delinquentme_> hes releasing the code in 6 months
19:13 < delinquentme_> ( ahem ) yeah see it when I believe it
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19:14 < eudoxia> there's a physical limit to the size of wings/propellers that work
19:14 < eudoxia> and I'm pretty sure it doesnt allow for choking quadrotors
19:14 < delinquentme_> eudoxia, its called nano bc its fucking streamlines turnkey optimized and actionable
19:14 < yashgaroth> whew
19:14 < delinquentme_> streamlined*
19:15 < delinquentme_> dubstep anyone?
19:15 < delinquentme_> new nero is out
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19:23 < kanzure> huh sigma adler is hosting sciencehackday chicago
19:23 < eudoxia> wub wub
19:23 < kanzure> contact point: Brian Carstensen <brian.carstensen@gmail.com>
19:26 < delinquentme_> eudoxia, ^_^
19:26 < kanzure> google ads are getting pretty specific for me
19:26 < kanzure> "micro 3d printing from cad files microfluidics prototyping service"
19:26 < eudoxia> hahah what the fuck
19:27 < kanzure> "Spectrometers! High Throughput Gratings covering any range 190-2600nm"
19:29 < kanzure> "Cy3, 3b, 5, 5.5 + 7 NHS/MAL/Amine Protein/Ab/ sml mol conjugations"
19:29 < kanzure> how is that even an ad
19:32 < yashgaroth> ehh they're offering to add fluorescent tags to your protein, my company just had a service do that exact same thing a few weeks ago
19:33 < roksprok> kanzure: a few years ago i noticed that when I searched for incredibly uncommon phrases, the first time I would get like three results, but if i ever searched again I'd get hundreds of results, mostly porn or 'win an ipod!' type things.
19:33 < yashgaroth> though I don't know why anyone shopping for that would use google ads to decide on a trustworthy company
19:33 < roksprok> it was really creepy
19:37 < delinquentme_> stick this in the repository : http://guides.library.duq.edu/documenting_impact  << this is a document outlining how duqesne university determines their research paper impact factors
19:37 < delinquentme_> probs come in handy somewhere down the line :D
19:38 < delinquentme_> roksprok, howdy.
19:38 < delinquentme_> havnt seen you chatting before either :D
19:38 < roksprok> i've been lurking for about a week
19:38 < delinquentme_> roksprok, awesome glad to have you ... this is whereeeeee
19:39 < delinquentme_> cool things happen
19:39 < roksprok> tbh this irc channel has been the most motivating thing i've ever come accross
19:39 < delinquentme_> i think i've become the unofficial cheerleader
19:40 < kanzure> yashgaroth: yep i /totally/ decide on competent molecule vendors based on their google ads
19:40 < kanzure> bleh their wording doesn't inspire confidence either
19:40 < roksprok> i'm finally becoming optimistic about life-extension stuff happening in my lifetime
19:40 < kanzure> if you can't write a good ad why would i trust you to do good chemistry
19:43 < roksprok> does anyone know if there is a built in bill of materials in an EAGLE schematic or board file?
19:44 < delinquentme_> roksprok, awesome!
19:44 < delinquentme_> and I dont think so
19:44 < delinquentme_> but I've only used EAGLE files once or twice
19:45 < delinquentme_> roksprok, do you know we can reconnect severed nerves in a matter of hours now?
19:45 < delinquentme_> this medical process was published 2 days ago
19:45 < roksprok> i did not know that no, exciting stuff!
19:45 < delinquentme_> researchers have now taken SKIN cells .. and directly influenced them to become neurons
19:46 < delinquentme_> this is skipping the whole IPP step
19:46 < delinquentme_> we're playing with the jelly of human tissue and making fucking SANDWICHES man
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19:48 < yashgaroth> I certainly will once I can grow my own liver tissue in a dish, me-pate spread on everything
19:49 < delinquentme_> LOL
19:49 < delinquentme_> umm i see this as a pickup line
19:49 < delinquentme_> you should taste me I'm delicious
19:49 < delinquentme_> and then she instantly starts thinking you're hung like a horse
19:50 < delinquentme_> and you say nothing else
19:51 < kanzure> roksprok: no but geda or some closely related tool has a bom format?
19:51 < kanzure> shame on you for using eagle anyway
19:52 < kanzure> "A while ago I spent a little time reading the literature on the symbiotic microbes responsible for bioluminescence in squid.  I highly recommend the minireview "An Exclusive Contract: Specificity in the Vibrio fischeri-Euprymna scolopes Partnership":"
19:52 < kanzure> http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/short/182/7/1779
19:52 < kanzure> "It's awesome.  It tells the fantastic story of how V. fischeri and a particular hawaiian squid, E. scolopes, manage to meet and work together,"
19:52 < kanzure> "including some detailed theories about how the scolopes' special bioluminescent  pockets actively recruit and maintain v. fischeri cultures."
19:52 < jmil> kanzure: nicely done
19:53 < kanzure> hrm?
19:59 < delinquentme_> kanzure,  ooc do you know who most of the  ppl in this channel are?
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20:00 < kanzure> delinquentme_: definitely not the newbies
20:00 < kanzure> others, i'd say yes
20:01  * jmil ducks
20:01 < kanzure> jmil: what's up?
20:01 < jmil> just waving hi
20:01 < kanzure> ah well have fun
20:01 < jmil> what up wit u?
20:01 < delinquentme_> hah yeah jmil good choice ... you're in the right spot :D
20:02 < jmil> lol
20:02 < kanzure> another bioluminescence review http://anselmlevskaya.com/papers/bioluminescence.pdf
20:02 < kanzure> he has some other stuff:
20:02 < kanzure> http://anselmlevskaya.com/papers/
20:03 < kanzure> hah.. http://anselmlevskaya.com/papers/optimism.pdf
20:03 < kanzure> "How unrealistic optimism is maintained in the face of reality"
20:04 < delinquentme_> jmil, whats your deal / background/ story/ expertise
20:04 < delinquentme_> dish
20:04 < kanzure> delinquentme_: he's jordan on the diybio list
20:04 < jmil> delinquentme_: im in bioe research
20:04 < jmil> h
20:04 < delinquentme_> ohh its been forever since i've been on there
20:05 < jmil> ya it's a pretty quiet list
20:05 < delinquentme_> jmil, sexy
20:05 < delinquentme_> its awesome
20:05 < jmil> bioe?
20:05 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/about
20:05 < delinquentme_> like its really good for when i've got something that doesnt need to be done *this second*
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20:05 < delinquentme_> bio engineering? yeh hot as hell
20:05 < jmil> oh the diybio list
20:05 < jmil> oh lol
20:05 < jmil> ya bioe FTW
20:07 < delinquentme_> so what are your daily tools
20:07 < delinquentme_> is this wetlab work?
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20:16 < jmil> delinquentme_: wet lab and a reprap… :D
20:17 < jmil> highly modified… of course :D
20:17 < delinquentme_> ... are you printing w cells??
20:17 < jmil> no that's a horrible idea
20:17 < jmil> i'm printing materials FOR cells.
20:17 < jmil> cells don't like to be printed
20:17 < jmil> there, i said it.
20:18 < jmil> i've been getting flack from cell printer people for my research :D
20:19 < delinquentme_> fuck what cells want
20:20 < delinquentme_> they do what we want them to do
20:20 < delinquentme_> cant you suspend them or something?
20:20 < jmil> lol no they don't do what we want them to do
20:20 < delinquentme_> something to minimize the trauma they undergo while deposited
20:20 < jmil> people have been saying that for 30 years. where's my printed liver already?
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20:20 < jmil> guess what? it's another 30 years out still lol
20:20 < delinquentme_> jmil, surely organovo?
20:21 < jmil> lol ya surely
20:21 < jmil> "The stupidest cell is still smarter than the smartest scientist"
20:21 < jmil> best quote evar
20:21 < delinquentme_> lol
20:21 < delinquentme_> i think thats a stupid quote
20:21 < jmil> what are you… a cell?
20:21 < delinquentme_> im trolling you a bit but
20:21 < jmil> lol bring it
20:21 < delinquentme_> so you're printing out scaffolding?
20:21 < jmil> i need more critiques and feedback
20:21 < jmil> delinquentme_: not exactly
20:22 < delinquentme_> like whatever we need to do ..
20:22 < jmil> why do you think cell printing is a good idea?
20:22 < delinquentme_> like i LOVE the cellular watching techniques people have used
20:22 < jmil> besides the media?
20:22 < delinquentme_> jmil, its not printing its free organs
20:22 < delinquentme_> so whatever means
20:22 < jmil> what?
20:22 < delinquentme_> which you'd probably have a better idea
20:23 < delinquentme_> I mean whatever we need to do for replacement organs
20:23 < kanzure> jmil: i think he's not completing his sentences
20:23 < jmil> kanzure: ya i agree. i'm so confuse
20:24 < jmil> delinquentme_: everyone says they know what that means. but we haven't been able to do "whatever we need to do" for replacement organs for 30-60 years. hell 200 years...
20:24 < jmil> cell printing has not gotten us there
20:24 < jmil> and is irrelevant because we are not assessing viability of each cell AS it's being deposited
20:24 < kanzure> immunosuppressants tend to work on transplants ;) but i think you mean, for non-animal-derivedo rgans
20:24 < jmil> vasculature maps to local cell needs in the body, too.
20:24 < kanzure> *organs
20:24 < kanzure> *tend to sometimes maybe work
20:25 < jmil> kanzure: we can't keep organs alive outside the body for more than a few hours
20:25 < jmil> we wouldn't have organ shortages if we could
20:25 < jmil> we fundamentally are clueless about tissue and organ-level physiology
20:25 < jmil> "put it in a cooler and get on that plane. steve jobs needs a new liver."
20:25 < jmil> that's about the extent of our technology right now
20:25 < jmil> very sad
20:26 < delinquentme_> hmmm
20:26 < delinquentme_> more reason why im hesitant about the bio collegiate machine
20:27 < jmil> what?
20:27 < delinquentme_> like Ive talked to so many people who sit back and are like WAHHHH never happen
20:27 < jmil> lol
20:27 < delinquentme_> pardon the arrogance and nothing meant at you specifically but fuck that
20:27 < kanzure> delinquentme_: you don't even know what jmil's work is
20:27 < delinquentme_> everythings always had naysayers
20:27 < jmil> fuck that it's never going to happen?
20:28 < delinquentme_> blanket statements yes but meh.
20:28 < kanzure> delinquentme_: he's not anti-tissue-culture
20:28 < jmil> lol i never said it's not going to happen
20:28 < kanzure> he's just, doing things differently
20:28 < kanzure> and probably better
20:28 < jmil> and i DO think current techniques will get us there
20:28 < delinquentme_> you're right kanzure
20:28 < jmil> i just think other technologies will get us there SOONER
20:28 < delinquentme_> jmil, could i ask about how you guys are approaching it?
20:28 < jmil> ya, we focus on the vasculature
20:29 < jmil> that's the main point anyway
20:29 < jmil> very scalable
20:29 < delinquentme_> yeah thats the huge issue
20:29 < jmil> i will prove if my way fails before others can pretend to prove their way will work
20:29 < jmil> my way may totally fail
20:29 < delinquentme_> jmil, is this a undertaking of your own?
20:29 < delinquentme_> or is this a lab?
20:29 < jmil> but at least i'll be the first to prove that my way failed and we might learn why from it
20:29 < delinquentme_> ^^^^^
20:29 < jmil> delinquentme_: ya i work in a research lab
20:30 < jmil> post-doc
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20:31 < delinquentme_> so you're then essentially attempting to model how the natural vasculature processes hapens
20:31 < delinquentme_> or more precisely control it
20:33 < jmil> new… see the quote above
20:33 < jmil> i fundamentally believe cells still know more about what they need than we do
20:33 < jmil> that will change over the next 100 years, but we're not there yet
20:34 < jmil> so my goal is to get cells together as fast as possible and perfused as rapidly as possible after encapsulation to mimic perfusion they see in the body
20:34 < jmil> then let them take the lead
20:34 < delinquentme_> sick art: http://www.andythomas.com.au/Synthetic-Nature
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20:35 < kanzure> wb
20:36 < yashgaroth> goddamn internets
20:36 < jmil> delinquentme_: w0w nice
20:42 < delinquentme_> ok so jmil you're talking get cells affixed to some substrate .. begin the process of "feeding" them and then let them multiply
20:42 < delinquentme_> these im assuming are some kind of stem cell? what about the processes within the body needed for particular differentiation
20:43 < delinquentme_> this is effectively growing organs through the natural process?
20:49 < jmil> delinquentme_: it's accelerated growth in theory
20:49 < jmil> we don't know because we've never done it. yet. :D
20:51 < delinquentme_> so ive never asked someone about this but what about the white washing pig organs
20:52 < delinquentme_> like they've got the protein structures there ... and people have built functional hearts through seeding those
20:53 < AlonzoTG> om; http://www.wesolveforx.com/  >> "Imaging the mind's Eye" >> AWESOME!!!
20:54 < kanzure> this is just a set of pictures of faces
20:54 < kanzure> this sucks
20:54 < kanzure> why do i want to look at their pictures
20:54 < AlonzoTG> I'm watching a video on that site.
20:54 < AlonzoTG> =)
20:56 < roksprok> kanzure: i saw your post on diybio about replicating warick's rat brain robot, and was wondering if you ever found a way to get your hands on some 'inexpensive' neural growth factor
20:57 < kanzure> inexpesive.. isn't it like <$100/bottle
20:57 < kanzure> *inexpensive
20:58 < kanzure> another option is to purify it yourself but i don't know if this will end up being cheaper or not
20:58 < yashgaroth> it probably would be, if super-high quality isn't a requirement
20:59 < roksprok> can you use the stuff in the capsules?
20:59 < roksprok> I'm only finding stuff like this: http://www.promega.com/products/cell-signaling/growth-factors/nerve-growth-factor_-2_5s_-murine/
20:59 < kanzure> search the big chem catalogs
20:59 < kanzure> sigma aldrich, merck, carolina, fischerprice
21:00 < jmil> delinquentme_: a lot of people are trying that. but there's zero control. and cells get damaged when seeded from the vasculature into the interstititium. it's so poorly controlled, though, that they won't be able to study it. every single construct is highly different...
21:01 < yashgaroth> I should add, making your own NGF is only cheaper if you need a lot of it and already have the equipment
21:01 < kanzure> *shrug* cell culturing and purification stuff is good to have if you're doing lots of projects
21:01 < yashgaroth> even if you're not doing any projects, it's good to have around
21:02 < kanzure> ?
21:02 < roksprok> kanzure: good point, i end up spending way too much money on this kind of stuff tho
21:02 < yashgaroth> you never know when you'll need protein purification equipment around, active project or no
21:04 < delinquentme_> jmil, seeded from the vasc >> insterstitium?
21:04 < delinquentme_> jmil, actually we need to chat about this indepth another time :D
21:04 < delinquentme_> thanks for being here :D
21:06 < jmil> coolio
21:06 < jmil> i'm usually on a couple times a week
21:07 < roksprok> kanzure: would a company like merk ship to a home address?
21:07 < kanzure> it depends.. there's lots of diybio threads about this and the results
21:07 < roksprok> they say 'price availible on request' so it doesn't seem like an easy transaction
21:07 < kanzure> if you can't get them to do that, set up a business at your address or figure out the zoning laws
21:07 < roksprok> k i'll search
21:07 < kanzure> 'price available on request' is usually a phone call
21:08 < yashgaroth> also some companies, e.g. sigma, straight up won't ship to home addresses, business or no
21:09 < kanzure> 'price available on request' is the bane of my existence
21:09 < kanzure> i should setup a site to route around 'price available on request'
21:10 < kanzure> people should just type in the prices that were 'available on request'
21:10 < delinquentme_> i've got an entity if you really need one roksprok
21:10 < delinquentme_> :D
21:10 < roksprok> delinquentme_: nice, i may take you up on that
21:10 < Mokbortolan_> well, they want to talk to you
21:11 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: but i don't
21:11 < Mokbortolan_> it might be that you really need product X, but were looking at product Y
21:11 < kanzure> availablebyrequest.com is available
21:11 < delinquentme_> lol
21:11 < Mokbortolan_> they wouldn't want you to be turned away from product X because you thought product Y's price was too high
21:11 < kanzure> well they should list their prices then
21:11 < Mokbortolan_> silly consumer, you don't know *what* you need!
21:12 < Mokbortolan_> just let them tell you what you need
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21:16 < delinquentme_> youu dont want an ipost shuffle
21:17 < delinquentme_> you want a ac book pro
21:17  * delinquentme_ slow nod
21:34 < delinquentme_> checking out!
21:34 < delinquentme_> toodles!
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23:21 < kanzure> good night moon
23:35 < kanzure> gedankenstuecke: nice domain name
23:37 < utopiah_> Solve for X: Adrien Treuille on collaborative science http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-CCEy3u2WM
23:39 < Stee|> Hmm
23:39 < Stee|> tomorrow's todo
23:39 < Stee|> enable latex on site, fix blog options, rss feed to site
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