--- Log opened Mon Feb 13 00:00:08 2012 00:08 < utopiah_> MITx 1st course: 6.002x (Circuits and Electronics) https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu 00:11 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:21 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:41 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-239-219.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:56 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kvltist, Charlie_, AlonzoTG, @kanzure, nuba 01:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nuba 01:59 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 02:00 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kvltist, AlonzoTG, Charlie_, @kanzure 02:37 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kvltist, Charlie_, AlonzoTG, @kanzure 02:39 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kvltist, AlonzoTG, Charlie_, @kanzure 03:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:00 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-44.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:04 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-37.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:12 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 -!- Steel_ [43f624a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.246.36.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:08 -!- Molybdenum [Molybdenum@173-30-249-153.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:52 -!- kvltist [~Kvltist@p5B33EE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:54 < delinquentme> http://pacb.com/sites/default/files/pdf/TechnicalNote_DeNovo_and_Hybrid_Assembly.pdf < pac bio has some new stuff going on 06:28 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-78-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone, 06:34 < delinquentme> ^^^ JayDugger 06:36 < delinquentme> hev some motivation http://imgur.com/uTGmU 06:49 < JayDugger> Meh... 06:49 < JayDugger> Cars don't do it for me. 06:52 < delinquentme> women? 06:52 < delinquentme> boy + machine = my love of robots 06:52 < delinquentme> jay^ 06:52 < JayDugger> Happily married, and I already have a car payment. :) 06:52 < delinquentme> oic oic 06:52 < delinquentme> so what motivates you 06:52 < delinquentme> ? 06:54 < JayDugger> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jay_dugger/5394680120/ 06:56 < delinquentme> kids? 06:56 < delinquentme> HA 06:56 < delinquentme> better answer 06:56 < JayDugger> Fortunately, no. 06:57 < delinquentme> is that you? 06:57 < delinquentme> yeah it says jay 06:57 < delinquentme> haha 06:58 < klafka> delinquentme pm 07:00 < delinquentme> JayDugger, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jay_dugger/5289969676/in/photostream/ 07:00 < delinquentme> awesome. 07:00 < delinquentme> this is me http://www.facebook.com/delinquentme now were on a more name ot name basis ! 07:08 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-41-142.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:09 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-41-142.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 07:18 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:25 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-41-142.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:58 <@kanzure> Printed Circuit Boards, design, Fabrication, Assembly and Testing 08:58 <@kanzure> http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/default.aspx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06 08:58 <@kanzure> http://faculty.yu.edu.jo/myhomari/DownloadHandler.ashx?pg=c94d397c-06fd-4dfc-a4d5-7d5c25eccb06§ion=42729406-cfec-441e-b5c2-1cdcef41f57d&file=Printed+Circuit+Boards.pdf 09:06 -!- _sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:46 <@kanzure> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/cag/micado/index.html autocad plugin for microfluidics 09:49 < chris_99> just found this synthesizer on ebay for £634 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350522975085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 09:50 <@kanzure> welp, a bit expensive to not know if it works 09:51 <@kanzure> does it come with the manual? 09:51 < chris_99> not sure, its not very informative 09:51 < chris_99> the listing 09:51 <@kanzure> are you physically near it? 09:51 < chris_99> nah, alas not 09:51 < chris_99> im in the uk 09:51 <@kanzure> atlanta? 09:52 < chris_99> just thought it seemed a reasonable price 09:52 <@kanzure> who do i know in atlanta.. one sec 09:52 < chris_99> oh noone 09:52 <@kanzure> it's only reasonably if you have tools/material to fix it 09:52 <@kanzure> if it's working, it's a steal 09:52 < chris_99> it sounds like its working but you wouldnt know for sure 09:53 <@kanzure> ok ybit is near it 09:53 <@kanzure> ybit: how do you feel about a road trip 09:54 <@kanzure> huntsville to atlanta is only 4 hours 09:54 < chris_99> would i be right in thinking you can use a gene gun to inject the oligos from that into say a plant cell etc. 09:55 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_gun#Plants 09:55 <@kanzure> you should use agrobacterium for plant transfections but a gene gun could work 09:56 * Mokbortolan_ sets his Gene Gun for "Sonic Hedgehog" 09:56 < chris_99> aha interesting 09:57 < chris_99> is there any must read book on dna synthesis per chance, that explains it in, an introductory way 09:57 <@kanzure> wikipedia's article 09:57 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligonucleotide_synthesis 09:58 < chris_99> cheers 09:58 <@kanzure> the references at the bottom are helpful, 09:58 <@kanzure> and also http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ 09:58 -!- augur [~augur@129.2.129.35] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 < chris_99> is that your site btw? 09:59 <@kanzure> yes 10:00 < chris_99> :) 10:01 <@kanzure> a 'historical introduction' would be the nobel prize speech 10:01 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Nobel%20lecture%20-%20Solid%20phase%20synthesis%20-%201984%20-%20Merrifield.pdf 10:02 <@kanzure> btw i suggest you take lots of notes and make lots of diagrams 10:02 <@kanzure> and then upload these to the interwebs. 10:02 <@kanzure> review article http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Oligo-%20and%20poly-nucleotides%20-%2050%20years%20of%20chemical%20synthesis%20-%202005.pdf 10:03 < chris_99> thanks! yeah making notes would help me learn it too 10:04 <@kanzure> what would be really helpful is if you try to find discrepancies between the different methods 10:04 <@kanzure> make sure you can follow where each atom is going in each reaction step 10:04 <@kanzure> and following the electrons would be nice to do as well 10:05 <@kanzure> listing out each reagent, reaction conditions, reaction times, wash steps, etc. 10:06 <@kanzure> i think there's: phosphate diester, phosphate triester, phosphite triester, phosphoramidite.. just for starters 10:07 <@kanzure> phosphite triester: R. L. Letsinger and W. B. Lunsford, J. Am. Chem. Soc. 98, 3655 (1976). 10:07 <@kanzure> phosphate triester: R. L. Letsinger and V. Mahadevan, ibid. 88, 5319 (1966) 10:09 <@kanzure> oh this one is weird.. Gryaznov, S. M.; Letsinger, R. L. (1991). "Synthesis of oligonucleotides via monomers with unprotected bases". J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 113 (15): 5876–5877. doi:10.1021/ja00015a059. 10:09 <@kanzure> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00015a059 10:09 < chris_99> cheers!, just thinking what i might do it concatenate a load of these pdfs together and get lulu.com to make it into a little book to read 10:10 <@kanzure> you could just ask me. 10:13 <@kanzure> chris_99: 41 MB http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/combination.pdf 10:13 < chris_99> ah cool :) 10:28 -!- dsp_ [~tt@lebesgue.cowpig.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:30 <@kanzure> DNA synthesis without base protection http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/0471142700.nc0310s18/full 10:30 <@kanzure> "DNA synthesis can be achieved by using O-selective methods for internucleotide bond formation. This greatly simplifies the synthesis of oligodeoxyribonucleotides by eliminating the need for nucleobase protection and deprotection steps." 10:30 <@kanzure> "This unit describes strategies that can be used for DNA synthesis without base protection. The discussion includes synthesis of phosphoramidite and H-phosphonate monomers, solid-phase assembly by the phosphoramidite and H-phosphonate methods, and future prospects for DNA synthesis using N-unprotected approaches." 10:37 <@kanzure> "Using this strategy, it was calculated that 16 air channels were enough to control (or address) 12870 reactors" 10:39 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- roksprok [~Zac@74.83.205.124] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 < Mokbortolan_> Relevant comic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2519 10:44 <@kanzure> that 12870 reactor paper: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/A%20versatile%20microreactor%20platform%20featuring%20a%20chemical-resistant%20microvalve%20array%20for%20addressable%20multiplex%20syntheses%20and%20assays.pdf 11:01 -!- roksprok 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http://singularityhub.com/2012/02/12/ray-kurzweil-running-for-president-seriously/ 15:11 < chris_99> heh 15:17 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-239-219.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:33 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-236-146.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- Juul [~Juul@slim.dhcp.lbl.gov] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:41 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:42 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- alfalfa [5849512c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.73.81.44] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:56 <@kanzure> http://www.longecity.org/forum/page/index.html/_/science/projects/cryopreservation-fundraiser-r36 17:02 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:23 -!- Steel_ [81a148d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.161.72.212] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:23 < Steel_> I am back into the domain of wanting to murder my advisors as well as the anthropomorphization of my research 17:31 < mag1strate> what did they do? 17:31 < Steel_> oh, it's more that I think I'm wandering down a useless path again 17:32 <@kanzure> microelectrohydrodynamic jet printing, BUT IN 4 DIMENSIONS 17:32 < mag1strate> what happened today for you to think that? 17:33 < Steel_> just 17:33 < Steel_> stupid fucking vortex rings 17:33 < Steel_> kanzure: I'm almost positive they're overcomplicating it 17:34 < mag1strate> not working right? 17:34 <@kanzure> just tell them that dean vortices are bullshit 17:34 < Steel_> not working right at all 17:34 < Steel_> instead of dissipating over time they're growing over time 17:35 <@kanzure> is a vortex ring the same thing as a dean vortex 17:35 < Steel_> no, they're technically hill's spherical vortices I believe 17:36 < mag1strate> How is it growing? 17:37 < mag1strate> Exponentially? 17:37 < Steel_> weirdly :P 17:37 < Steel_> it shouldn't be growing at all 17:37 < Steel_> the energy should be decreasing from viscous dissipation 17:37 < mag1strate> is the simulation factoring in the viscous dissipation 17:38 <@kanzure> mag1strate: have we met? 17:38 < Steel_> he found the channel through my site 17:38 < mag1strate> I have talked to you over this yesterday and the day before 17:39 < mag1strate> but not in person 17:42 <@kanzure> are you a biohacker or some other variant 17:42 < mag1strate> nope lol 17:42 < mag1strate> I have never tried biohacking on myself if that is what you mean 17:42 <@kanzure> "on yourself" no i meant in general 17:42 <@kanzure> are you a biologist? 17:42 < mag1strate> No I am an engineer 17:43 <@kanzure> electronics engineer? 17:43 < mag1strate> No polymer 17:43 <@kanzure> oh right.. it would make sense that Steel_'s buddy would be a materials person too 17:44 < Steel_> I don't know him irl 17:44 < Steel_> haha 17:44 < Steel_> none of my irl friends on the site are in here yet 17:44 < mag1strate> I just joined his site 17:44 < mag1strate> lol 17:44 <@kanzure> Steel_: nobody's perfect 17:46 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 17:46 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:46 < Steel_> oh god, lolicon is your hostname? 17:47 < mag1strate> why not? 17:47 < Steel_> @_@ 17:47 < n_bentha> yeah, why not? 17:47 < Steel_> I wish I could do easy look of disappointment with a couple keystrokes 17:47 < Steel_> :P 17:48 < mag1strate> lol thats nearly the same 17:49 < alfalfa> hi 17:49 < alfalfa> i came to swagger 17:49 < mag1strate> hey 17:49 < Steel_> oh god damnit 17:49 < n_bentha> heya! 17:49 < alfalfa> lol 17:49 < Steel_> kanzure, why not +b 17:49 < mag1strate> lol 17:49 < n_bentha> steel_ you're just jelly u don't have a cool hostname like mine 17:50 < Steel_> I wouldn't be happy with lolicon next to my name, bro 17:50 < n_bentha> funny, cuz this is the internet 17:50 < alfalfa> so what u guys doing all day long? 17:51 < alfalfa> studying biology all the time?^^ 17:51 < n_bentha> lab meetings, class, etc 17:51 < alfalfa> sounds intresting, what u doing at ur lab meetings? 17:51 < mag1strate> Trying to learn fluid tensor 17:52 < d3nd3> alfalfa what are you doing all day long also i am interested ? 17:52 < alfalfa> im swaggering ; ) 17:52 < Steel_> well 17:53 < Steel_> I got out of bed late because I was fucking tired 17:53 < Steel_> then I did research 17:53 < Steel_> then I went to the gym and dance 17:53 < Steel_> and now I'm doing research again 17:53 < mag1strate> dance? 17:53 < d3nd3> what is research ? 17:53 < alfalfa> bed late huh? i woke up when the sun went down rofl 17:53 < alfalfa> vampire style 17:53 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 < Steel_> mag1strate: I'm a competitive dancer 17:54 < d3nd3> why are you doing research ? 17:54 < n_bentha> why u ask questions?1 17:54 < Steel_> my two non-academic hobbies are weightlifting and dance 17:54 < Steel_> or, noncomputer hobbies, whatever 17:54 < alfalfa> so Steel_ if ur not female i shall call you gay from now on ;) 17:54 < d3nd3> because i want to 17:54 < alfalfa> the stereotype judgement on male dancers :D 17:54 < Steel_> Shit, dude, dancing is the manliest sport :P 17:55 < alfalfa> can u rename people here? i must add a "gay" to a certain persons name tag 17:55 < d3nd3> how can a weightlifter dance 17:55 < d3nd3> sounds stupid 17:55 < d3nd3> i picture a gorilla doing ballet 17:55 -!- d3nd3 was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [d3nd3] 17:55 -!- alfalfa was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [alfalfa] 17:55 <@kanzure> the fuck is that shit 17:55 < jrayhawk> haha 17:55 < Steel_> I should stop feeding the trolls, sorry 17:56 <@kanzure> Steel_: for the record, gorilla hair is not ok in bodybuilding 17:56 < Steel_> hahah 17:56 < jrayhawk> yes, the gorillas get very resentful when you take their hair 17:56 < Steel_> I don't do bodybuilding :P 17:57 < mag1strate> Steel_: Thats really cool, what kind of dance do you do? 17:57 < mag1strate> I do specifically crossfit if anyone has ever heard of that 17:57 <@kanzure> oh right, weightlifting 17:57 < jrayhawk> I occasionally consider doing crossfit. 17:57 < Steel_> I occasionally consider doing crossfit then laugh :P 17:57 < Steel_> and steal their methods 17:57 < mag1strate> lol 17:57 < Steel_> but not their setup 17:57 < Steel_> because it's dumb 17:58 < mag1strate> like what? 17:58 < mag1strate> I think its pretty good 17:58 < Steel_> overuse/torque of shoulder, one size fits all, insufficient program scaling, poor form, etc. are all symptomatic of crossfit 17:58 < mag1strate> jrayhawk: Do you ever do any of the workouts 17:58 < Steel_> on the other hand, they do well with crosstraining and muscular confusion 17:59 < mag1strate> The crossfit gym I go to is really good at scaling stuff for everyone, so that has never been a problem for me 17:59 < jrayhawk> Steel_: That's sortof gym-dependant. 17:59 < jrayhawk> I suppose crossfit HQ does have a bad habit of catering to the craziest minority. 17:59 < mag1strate> They are pretty good with form too. All have had olympic weight lifting certification or experience 18:00 < Steel_> I also don't trust the actual crossfit certs, I'd require outside cert 18:00 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 < Steel_> my problem isn't with individual boxes 18:00 < Steel_> my problem is with the movement 18:00 < Steel_> the boxes near yashgaroth, for instance, are fantastic 18:00 < Steel_> I have a friend that goes to one 18:00 < yashgaroth> wut 18:00 < mag1strate> yeah most of the people who train us are experts on lifting before crossfit 18:00 < Steel_> (crossfit) 18:01 < mag1strate> so thats one of the good parts about my box 18:01 < Steel_> the whole brand name fitness shit is stupid and causes injury though 18:01 < yashgaroth> define boxes please 18:01 < mag1strate> Its another name for a gym that specialises in crossfit 18:01 < mag1strate> a dumb nickname 18:02 < yashgaroth> what are the good ones near me steel? if I ever get less lazy 18:02 < ybit> chris_99: atl is a bit far, but i'm sure someone in #freesideatl would be willing to help 18:02 < Steel_> yashgaroth: crossfit 818 18:02 < Steel_> is where my friend goes 18:02 < Steel_> she went to back alley fitness but it closed down 18:02 < mag1strate> sounds shady 18:02 < yashgaroth> I was gonna say^ 18:03 < Steel_> nah 18:03 < jrayhawk> Sounds like my kind of operation! 18:03 < Steel_> just small 18:03 < Steel_> like ~30 people 18:03 < yashgaroth> "dark alley fitness" 18:03 < mag1strate> yeah that would be the shady one 18:03 < Steel_> it ran out of a garage, super compact/modular 18:03 <@kanzure> i should add kung fu to the transhumanist bootcamp curriculum 18:03 < Steel_> bah, kung fu 18:03 < jrayhawk> "try not to get mugged on the way in fitness" 18:03 < jrayhawk> "also try to avoid making eye contact with the management fitness" 18:03 <@kanzure> it's the only one where you have reasons to yell about qi all the time 18:04 < Steel_> TKD has ki yells :P 18:04 <@kanzure> "definitely not selling roids fitness" am i doing this right 18:04 < Steel_> bah 18:04 < jrayhawk> I would sign up for all of these. 18:04 < Steel_> they were okay dudes 18:05 < mag1strate> jrayhawk: lol 18:06 < mag1strate> @kanzure: are you active in kung fu? 18:07 < n_bentha> kung fu is the bomb 18:08 < Steel_> I'd like to try Jeet Kun Do 18:08 <@kanzure> mag1strate: no 18:09 < mag1strate> Steel_: There aren't many places that teach that I don't think 18:09 < Steel_> DC has one 18:10 < Steel_> along with some...other stuff 18:10 < mag1strate> do you live in DC 18:11 < Steel_> I will in a couple months 18:11 < n_bentha> steel_ : there is no jeet kun do! 18:12 < jrayhawk> It's a myth! Like the easter bunny, or bipartisanship! 18:13 < n_bentha> yea. it's just a philosophy. if u want to do jeet kun do, then u haev to study all the forms of martial arts and spar alot and mix it up and find what works for you 18:14 < Steel_> there's still a lot of useful stuff in it about how to strip out the parts of other arts 18:14 < mag1strate> thats because JEet Kun do is a mix of a bunch of different styles 18:14 < mag1strate> its more about practicality than elegance 18:15 < Steel_> I'd do MT but honestly I don't have the shin strength it takes to do it right 18:15 < Steel_> the whole kicking trees for 10 years thing 18:15 < jrayhawk> Eh, just do MMA. Lots of crazy cross-disciplinary stuff there. 18:15 < mag1strate> Yeah I hear that is pretty intense on the shins 18:15 < n_bentha> yes. 18:16 < n_bentha> u gotta smack the bag until you're bruised up 18:16 < n_bentha> and then do it more 18:16 < mag1strate> fun... 18:16 < mag1strate> then again I do crossfit 6 days a week so I can't really say I know what fun is :P 18:17 < jrayhawk> good lord 18:17 < jrayhawk> that sounds unhealthy 18:17 < mag1strate> not really 18:17 < mag1strate> I am fine 18:17 < mag1strate> but thats probably because I have been doing it for 2.5 years now 18:18 < n_bentha> The idea of training your shins like that is similar to Kung Fu. They train their bodies to be rock-hard, too. That way, you become the weapon. 18:19 < Steel_> I do 3 on 1 off for heavy lifting 18:19 < Steel_> but I also dance 6 days a week 18:19 < mag1strate> what type of dance? 18:19 < jrayhawk> Heavy lifting generally isn't as cortisol-inducing as crossfit crap 18:20 < jrayhawk> It's easy to overtrain on crossfit even three days a week. 18:20 < mag1strate> Not really 18:20 < Steel_> mag1strate: ballroom 18:20 < mag1strate> most of the pros workout 2-3 times a day 18:20 < mag1strate> really? 18:20 < Steel_> so I do (to one degree or another) all 19 competitive dancesport dances 18:20 < Steel_> although I'm terrible at International Latin 18:20 < mag1strate> thats actually really cool 18:20 < mag1strate> Ive actually wanted to try dance 18:21 < Steel_> most crossfit pros don't follow 'actual' crossfit :P 18:21 < jrayhawk> Yes, but the pros have decided to sacrifice their lives for competition in the crossfit games. Doing so involves being perpetually injured until shortly beforehand. 18:21 < n_bentha> pain is good! 18:21 < mag1strate> yeah I know 18:21 < mag1strate> lol NO PAIN NO GAIN 18:21 < n_bentha> yeah... 18:21 < n_bentha> but i pushed myself too hard 18:21 < mag1strate> lol 18:22 < mag1strate> Steel_: Will you show me how to dance 18:22 < mag1strate> ? 18:22 < mag1strate> <# 18:22 < mag1strate> <3 18:23 < Steel_> Sure :P 18:23 < mag1strate> lol 18:23 < Steel_> I'll take everyone who makes it to a conference of our choosing out to dance :P 18:23 < mag1strate> Actually I have a good friend in dance 18:24 < mag1strate> she might help 18:24 < Steel_> mag1strate: I responded to your post on beat meditation 18:24 < mag1strate> ok ill check it out 18:24 < mag1strate> thanks btw 18:27 < jrayhawk> "Our newest member Blarghonk" 18:27 < jrayhawk> Respect goes out to Blarghonk. Keep being Blarghonk. 18:28 < mag1strate> This is on the site 18:28 < mag1strate> ? 18:28 < Steel_> yah 18:28 < Steel_> blarghonk is from another channel I'm in 18:28 < mag1strate> nice 18:29 < mag1strate> how many members do we have? 18:30 < Steel_> 36 registered, a dozen or so active atm 18:30 < mag1strate> hmmm I thought we had more for some reason 18:31 < Steel_> if you count bots there are 18:32 < mag1strate> there are bots? 18:33 <@kanzure> there are always bots on forums 18:33 <@kanzure> example: xrumer 18:33 < mag1strate> for what? 18:33 <@kanzure> spamming 18:34 < Steel_> err, no, these are spiders/robots 18:34 < mag1strate> i hate spiders 18:34 < n_bentha> <3 arachna 18:35 < mag1strate> They are cool, until they get to your hand size big 18:36 < n_bentha> ya but not as cool as Amblypygi 18:37 < mag1strate> what is that 18:37 < n_bentha> your google-fu is lacking, magistrarte 18:37 < n_bentha> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amblypygi 18:38 < mag1strate> WTF IS THAT 18:39 < sylph_mako> Did someone say spiders? 18:39 < sylph_mako> I've got a whole bunch of spiders on the outside of one of my walls. 18:39 < mag1strate> no, amblypygi 18:39 < sylph_mako> When I first saw them, I thought they were ants. 18:40 < mag1strate> the spiders or the amblypygi 18:40 < sylph_mako> the spiders. 18:40 < sylph_mako> They seemed to be... cooperating. 18:41 < jrayhawk> Some spiders are colonial. 18:41 < jrayhawk> But more likely these spiders are just united against a common enemy: 18:41 < jrayhawk> Your sanity. 18:42 < mag1strate> THEY ARE COMING TOGETHER 18:42 < mag1strate> THEY WILL RID THE WORLD OF THE PLIGHT THAT IS HUMANS 18:42 < mag1strate> SOON WE WILL WORSHIP QUEEN ARACHNIA 18:42 < mag1strate> AND HER RULE WILL BE GREAT 18:42 < mag1strate> AMEN 18:43 < n_bentha> amblypygi will defeat the spiders! 18:43 < mag1strate> NO ONE WILL DESTROY OUR QUEEN 18:45 < foucist> most excellent 18:45 < n_bentha> i, for one, welcome our new amblypygi overlords 18:46 < mag1strate> ALL HAIL OUR ARACHNID OVERLORDS 18:48 < n_bentha> spider-man will be our ambassador 18:48 < mag1strate> I welcome this change 18:48 < sylph_mako> Why not man-spider? 18:48 < mag1strate> because since we are ruled by spiders 18:48 < mag1strate> we must show them respect and put their suffix in front 18:50 < sylph_mako> http://images.wikia.com/marvelanimated/images/5/5d/Man-Spider.jpg 18:50 < sylph_mako> a far better candidate. 18:50 < Steel_> So, taserball is A Thing. 18:50 < mag1strate> I guess, but he won't be able to relate to the human 18:51 < mag1strate> s 18:54 < sylph_mako> Steel_, tell more taserball. 18:54 < Steel_> http://www.craveonline.com/sports/articles/182925-ultimate-taser-ball-best-pro-sport-ever 18:56 < mag1strate> ...its like rugby with electricity 18:57 < Steel_> yup 18:57 < mag1strate> These guys look nuts for doing this... 18:59 < roksprok> don't tazers randomly kill someone every few months? 18:59 < n_bentha> yes 19:00 < sylph_mako> I don't think it counts as a thing if it's going to stop being a thing in as little as one generation. 19:00 < sylph_mako> ok no that's a poor rule. 19:00 < Steel_> these are depowered dtasers 19:00 < Steel_> *tasers 19:00 < mag1strate> survival of the fittest 19:01 < n_bentha> that's ridiculous 19:01 < mag1strate> This could be fun... 19:01 < mag1strate> ...for just one game 19:02 < mag1strate> or it might have seemed like a good idea on paper 19:02 < roksprok> mag1strate: i agree 19:02 < sylph_mako> yeah.. 19:03 < roksprok> i doubt your chances of dieing are higher than bungee jumping or parachuting 19:03 < roksprok> or freeclimbing 19:03 < mag1strate> To be honest I would do this taser sport before anything you just listed 19:04 < jrayhawk> Bungee jump deaths are very, very rare. 19:04 < Steel_> eh, I've shocked the shit out of myself before 19:04 < mag1strate> how? 19:06 < Steel_> capacitor on tiny railgun 19:06 < Steel_> wasn't fully discharged 19:06 < Steel_> I went full retard 19:06 < n_bentha> sticking paperclips in the outlets 19:06 < mag1strate> @_@ 19:08 < mag1strate> n_bentha: Is this true? 19:09 < n_bentha> maybe? 19:09 < n_bentha> yes 19:11 < mag1strate> curious kid? 19:12 < n_bentha> boredom 19:13 < mag1strate> eh then it's ok 19:20 -!- Steel_ [81a148d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.161.72.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:22 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 20:01 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-78-36.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:38 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46 <@kanzure> "In 1995, upon Andre Marion retirement, Mike Hunkapiller became President of PE Applied Biosystems Division which sold its 30,000th thermal cycler." 21:05 < yashgaroth> his name is actually Mike Studcolumn 21:14 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:15 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20 -!- ziyadb [u4806@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dckmosmqtkautbby] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:21 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:28 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:28 -!- yash [~f@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:32 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:38 -!- ygh [~f@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:42 -!- yash [~f@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59 <@kanzure> mike studcolumn.. right. 22:01 < ygh> alternatively, mike Slabsupportbeam 22:01 -!- ygh is now known as yashgaroth 22:01 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/synthesis.html 22:02 * kanzure puts on his "i'm obviously an organic chemist" glasses 22:03 < yashgaroth> oh man fuck ochem 22:04 <@kanzure> in soviet russia, ochem fucks you 22:04 <@kanzure> plus lots of other magical shit they believed in 22:04 < yashgaroth> phage therapy lololol 22:05 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:13 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:15 -!- Molybdenum [Molybdenum@173-30-249-153.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:44 < roksprok> why is phage therapy bad? 22:48 < yashgaroth> several reasons, but mostly because your body will react to the phage and destroy it instead of the bacteria 22:50 < roksprok> aren't there phages that don't activate the immune system? 22:50 < yashgaroth> only if you have a crap immune system 22:52 < roksprok> so we don't have a bunch of phages living in us like we do bacteria? 22:52 < roksprok> or, we have very few? 22:52 < yashgaroth> sure, but that's inside your digestive tract, and bacteria are only really a concern if they get outside of that 22:54 < roksprok> so bacteria is not really a pressing concern, outside of a few antibiotic resistant strains? 22:54 < yashgaroth> oh it's a huge concern, the third world has been abusing antibiotics enough that TB and shit will be making a comeback in the next decade 22:58 < yashgaroth> sadly, nothing is more promising for superbugs than phage therapy at the moment, so I shan't bash it too much 22:59 < roksprok> that's depressing 22:59 < roksprok> when the most promising answer sucks 23:00 < yashgaroth> well, the government could subsidize more antibiotic research, but no companies will do it since they're easy to counterfeit 23:00 < Mokbortolan_> why does phage therapy suck? 23:00 < Mokbortolan_> oh, n/m 23:01 < Mokbortolan_> are all beneficial bacteria constrained to the gut? 23:01 < yashgaroth> and skin and mouth 23:01 < Mokbortolan_> there are some in mammary glands 23:01 < Mokbortolan_> what makes them immune, so to speak 23:02 < yashgaroth> makes what immune 23:02 < Mokbortolan_> does the body attack your flora? 23:02 < yashgaroth> not unless they get uppity 23:03 < Mokbortolan_> too bad we can't reprogram the immune system on the fly 23:04 -!- klafka [~textual@c-71-204-150-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:04 < yashgaroth> it's a major field of research, since getting foreign enzymes to degrade atherosclerotic plaques etc. is hindered mostly by the inevitable immune response 23:05 < klafka> hey 23:05 < yashgaroth> hi klafka 23:08 < klafka> man it's scary i'm starting to read URI encoded jsonp queries 23:08 < klafka> it's like i'm able to read the matrix n 23:08 < klafka> now 23:44 < delinquentme> ^^^ 23:44 < delinquentme> BED 23:44 < delinquentme> toodles all! 23:44 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52 -!- ziyadb [u4806@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-giygmyabzcipfkuo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:56 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-24-94-5-223.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Tue Feb 14 00:00:09 2012