--- Log opened Tue Feb 14 00:00:09 2012
00:06 <@kanzure> "In 1989, Fusion Associates formed a limited partnership through which it acquired control of Vega Biotechnologies, Inc., a publicly held biotechnology company. Fusion Associates reorganized the financially troubled company and sold a majority position in 1992."
00:06 <@kanzure> well thats troubling
00:06 <@kanzure> yashgaroth, btw i'm pretty sure geneweave inc is doing phage display diagnostic assays
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01:36 < sylph_mako> Anelosimus eximius would be an example of a eusocial spider. I need more info on this. I find eusocial insects highly instructive examples.
01:36 < sylph_mako> Evolutionary biology are like my fables.
01:39 < sylph_mako> At this precipice before enabling ourselves to replace the evolutionary forces that have gotten us this far with logic and memes, we need to learn the rules to the survival game in more depth than any animal ever has.
01:51 < sylph_mako> There are so many ways we could fuck this up.
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02:25 < archels> Good luck with that.
02:26 < archels> Perhaps the only way we can learn about it on a reasonable (i.e. human) timescale is by tinkering.
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05:45 < _sol_> SO how about those DIY open source glassware labs? j/king
05:46 < _sol_> The DEA is so paranoid that any amatuer medical chemistry organic synthesis is like the capital crime of transhumanism... anyway
05:47 < _sol_> I wonder how long it will be bfore homeland security and the FDA get together with the DEA to create restrictive list for DIY biohacking and labs...
05:47 < chris_99> i found you could get synthesizers pretty cheap off ebay
05:48 < _sol_> alert alert.... that microscobe and microbio oven is a lethal weapon... put your hands up and step away from the petri dish
05:48 < _sol_> er microscope
05:48 < chris_99> haha
05:49 < _sol_> homeland security and the local health dept have been tracking your moves to cheap restaurants/diners around the area and suspect you plan to biobomb the food...
05:49 < _sol_> :P
05:49 < _sol_> we are just taking precautions... hans over the equipment
05:49 < _sol_> it could be a joke but seriously... some ppl are quite anal retentive about listing all possible problems in these govt agencies
05:54 < chris_99> thankfully i don't live in the US ;)
05:55 < _sol_> I've heard the chemical supply list are pretty restrictive these days, and some require heads up special forms to list your exact uses down on from some chemical companies even if and some want ya to have a DEA license anyway... but I guess tha tis if ya are doing some complex orgo synthesis... I was reading one uni chem site that says that alot of chemistry supplies for precursors has
05:55 < _sol_> been highly regulated such that DIY chem is a dead field now for alot of things... not like the old days... I think europe is probably restrictive to,but not sure about elsewhere...
05:55 < _sol_> even with an adv degree, they are requiring alot of chem companies for liability requir extra paperwork now
05:56 < _sol_> or so I heard
05:56 < chris_99> thats ridiculous
05:56 < chris_99> i remember my dad saying in the old days they'd make things like nitrous oxide and fireworks
05:57 < chris_99> and just get the chemicals from a shop
05:57 < _sol_> I keep thinking if someone finds a viable way at self-assembly and biotech to create some nanotech probes and stuff that work that it will be form a rather restrictive network of  companies and govt agencies that will try to limit DIY tinkering for fearmongers of nanotech
05:58 < chris_99> i personally think however hard they tried to regulate such an industry they're gonna fail
05:58 < chris_99> when people can start making their own equipment
05:58 < chris_99> or buying old equipment cheaply
05:59 < _sol_> someone will go... nanobombs and airborne nanothis an dthat will be or already has been written up by a few restrictive people who are "security" experts that probably already has the ear of the govt...
05:59 < _sol_> pretty soon ya will need a license in the US or the countries the US tries to do some deals with for exports/imports to own a spectrometer heh
05:59 < _sol_> step away from the spectrometer... we know you are making something somewhere...
06:00 < _sol_> no analysis allowed
06:03 < chris_99> and i was thinking of getting a spectrometer for my homebrew, darn ;)
06:03 < _sol_> yeah, well, ya probably odn't need it for the basics lol
06:03 < _sol_> well, technically , old fashioned biotech is already regulated
06:04 < _sol_> but
06:04 < chris_99> what about dna synthesis, when someone could mail order a virus
06:05 < _sol_> drop the yeast... you are holding a lethal bioagent...
06:05 < _sol_> and stop trying to increase the yield with your biotech yeast...
06:05 < _sol_> drunks :P
06:05 < _sol_> er super biotech
06:06 < chris_99> haha
06:06 < chris_99> yeah i was looking to get hold of some 20% yeast to play with
06:06 < _sol_> moonshiners with their southern comfort sons studying DIY biotech
06:06 < _sol_> but dad... we could be the next .. whatever
06:07 < _sol_> a higher yield and half the investment
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06:58 < chris_99> this looks pretty cool http://makezine.com/07/fingerprinting/
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08:00 <@kanzure> false! make is secretly not so cool and causes diarrhea
08:05 < chris_99> haha
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08:32 < strages_work> best practices for liberating papers from ACM and IEEE?
08:34 < chris_99> google scholar enables you find a lot
08:34 < chris_99> of 'em
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08:46 < strages_work> find yes, liberate no
08:47 < strages_work> I get google scholar alerts for papers of interest but they're locked behind pay walls
08:47 < strages_work> I was wondering if there were any tricks for fixing this
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08:54 < mag1strate> are you part of a university?
08:55 < strages_work> no
08:56 < mag1strate> do you have any friends at a university?
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09:02 < strages_work> yes
09:02 < strages_work> of course this isn't a trick, this is annoying my friends for access to papers daily
09:03 < delinquentme> strages_work, ^^ what you doing?
09:04 < mag1strate> he is trying to access pay wall locked google scholar papers
09:04 < delinquentme> hhmmm
09:04 < strages_work> IEEE and ACM specifically, but there are others
09:04 < delinquentme> mag1strate, howdy never seen you in here before :D
09:05 < delinquentme> ummm have you tried finding a IRC channel about engineering?
09:06 < mag1strate> delinquentme: I thought I have talked to you before lol
09:06 < mag1strate> delinquentme: How are you doing btw?
09:08 < delinquentme> oh haha maybe :D
09:08 < delinquentme> well! about to take a call for a job interview
09:08 < delinquentme> in SV!
09:08 < mag1strate> Good Luck!
09:09 < JayDugger> Good luck.
09:11 < delinquentme> yeah doing a bit of brushing up reallly quick .. and also realizing that I should be looking for coder jobs in SV as they pay better than bioinformaticists
09:11 < delinquentme> by like 30gs
09:12 < mag1strate> are you looking for a bioinformatics job now?
09:16 < delinquentme> ummm i wanted to surround myself w biologists
09:16 < delinquentme> but being that biology jobs are contingent upon publish / perish as well as funding
09:16 < delinquentme> programming might be better
09:16 < mag1strate> yeah for the money especially
09:16 < mag1strate> but is the interview for a bioinformatics job?
09:17 < delinquentme> nah
09:17 < Stee|> SV?
09:17 < delinquentme> a customer support programming role
09:17 < delinquentme> Stee|, you got it :D
09:17 < Stee|> what is SV
09:17 < Stee|> >_>
09:17 < delinquentme> ohh silicon valley :D
09:18 < Stee|> oh lol
09:18 < Stee|> I'm from california and always heard the full name used
09:18 < delinquentme> sili valley!
09:18 < delinquentme> Stee|, where were u born ??
09:18 < delinquentme> or like where from in cali
09:19 < Stee|> Ventura County/San Diego County
09:19 < delinquentme> << riverside
09:19 < Stee|> sweet
09:19 < Stee|> you should drive down when I'm in town april/may
09:20 < Stee|> and go drinking with me and yashgaroth
09:22 <@kanzure> strages_work: there's some plans in the works
09:24 < delinquentme> Stee|, totes.
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11:18 <@kanzure> "We can now produce oligos at 100 kbp/dollar and sequence DNA at 1 Mbp/dollar"
11:18 <@kanzure> just.. not commercially heh
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13:03 < chris_99> whats that from kanzure?
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13:13 <@kanzure> chris_99: one of george church's papers i think
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13:21 < chris_99> ah thanks
13:21 < chris_99> im just trying to make a cloud chamber at the mo' and failing :(
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14:31 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: do you want the emotiv sdk
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14:38 < Mokbortolan_> Even if I had it I couldn't use it
14:38 < Mokbortolan_> I have a consumer-grade headset
14:38 <@kanzure> what?
14:38 <@kanzure> no it's the same headset iirc
14:38 < Mokbortolan_> isn't it a different firmware?
14:39 < Mokbortolan_> Sure I'll take it, on the off chance it will work :)
14:39 < Mokbortolan_> thanks!
14:39 <@kanzure> no firmware differences
14:40 < Mokbortolan_> one of the things I wanted to do with it was record a hypnosis session
14:40 < Mokbortolan_> but I can't do that without the SDK, so I had resigned myself to using neuroprogrammer and mind workshop
14:41 <@kanzure> erm i think you can record that with their default tools
14:42 <@kanzure> one sec, trying to get this other person online
14:42 < Mokbortolan_> AFAIK EEG recording is a research-only feature
14:42 <@kanzure> "it dumps a TSV/CSV that one can do whatever you want with"
14:43 < Mokbortolan_> hmm
14:43  * Mokbortolan_ admits nigh-complete ignorance now.
14:51 < chris_99> you don't need the sdk
14:51 < chris_99> for emotiv
14:51 < chris_99> theres a reverse engineered one
14:51 < chris_99> thats OSS
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14:54 <@kanzure> http://reymond.dcb.unibe.ch/gdb/home.html#gdb
14:54 <@kanzure> "GDB-11 enumerates small organic molecules up to 11 atoms of C, N, O and F following simple chemical stability and synthetic feasibility rules."
14:54 <@kanzure> 2.6 GB ftp://ftp.unibe.ch/ioc/gdb/gdb13.tgz
14:54 <@kanzure> 7.2 MB - random selection (1 million molecules) ftp://ftp.unibe.ch/ioc/gdb/gdb13.rand1M.smi.gz
14:55 < chris_99> https://github.com/qdot/emokit current repo
14:55 <@kanzure> chris_99: check the readme..
14:55 < chris_99> what about it?
14:56 <@kanzure> there used to be a ##hplusroadmap shout out
14:57 <@kanzure> anyway, the commercial sdk has lots of other features
14:57 <@kanzure> if anyone wants access to it, let me know
15:00 < chris_99> i'm curious about it
15:00 < chris_99> how good is the emokit?
15:00 <@kanzure> haven't tried it out in a long time,
15:00 <@kanzure> last i checked we were able to get gyroscopic data back
15:01 <@kanzure> https://github.com/qdot/emokit/blob/master/c/examples/epocd/epocd.c
15:02 < chris_99> nice
15:03 < chris_99> it can get the EEG stuff though
15:03 < chris_99> right
15:04 <@kanzure> doesn't look like it
15:04 <@kanzure> somenoe should poke qdot or daeken about that
15:04 < chris_99> im almost certain on his site he'd posted photos of eeg stuff
15:04 < Mokbortolan_> kanzure: can I have access? :)
15:05 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: ah right
15:06 <@kanzure> Mokbortolan_: email?
15:07 < Mokbortolan_> pm
15:08 <@kanzure> ok
15:09 < Mokbortolan_> Ah, so I gotta bug this guy? :)
15:09 <@kanzure> apparently, he was going to just drop a link
15:09 <@kanzure> i don't know
15:09 <@kanzure> i think he's interested in doing some sort of collaborative project
15:10 < Mokbortolan_> augh
15:10 <@kanzure> i'm sorry i don't speak arnold?
15:10 < Mokbortolan_> guys like that always make me feel guilty about not accomplishing more with my time on this earth :p
15:10 <@kanzure> you should simply eat your children, it will free up lots of time
15:11 < Mokbortolan_> that it would
15:12 < Mokbortolan_> hopefully I'll retain enough neural plasticity to be more productive once they've entered adolescence
15:13 < Mokbortolan_> until then I rest in my armchair
15:17 < Mokbortolan_> and plot escape
15:28 < Mokbortolan_> and cob houses
15:29 <@kanzure> don't you have something better to be doing
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15:38 < Mokbortolan_> yes, reading product documentation :(
15:38 <@kanzure> hey at least you're not debugging product documentation
15:38 <@kanzure> why won't this shipping api submit this order?
15:42 < Mokbortolan_> wrong browser?
15:43 < Mokbortolan_> assuming it's web based
15:43 <@kanzure> it's a "REST" API except all requests go through the same endpoint and there's no resources
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16:26 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-spray-on-antenna-great-reception-google.html
16:27 < Mokbortolan_> article about a company making spray-on-antennas
16:27 <@kanzure> antennas are weird
16:28 < Mokbortolan_> it's a bunch of nanoscale capacitors
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16:34 < _sol_>  http://mitx.mit.edu/ n December, MIT announced a new online learning initiative called "MITx". Registration is now open for the pilot course, 6.002x Circuits and Electronics.
16:35 <@kanzure> bleh it's been in the news all day
16:35 <@kanzure> and that canadian television show has been spamming all the hackerspaces
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16:37 <@kanzure> hi kvltist
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17:32 <@kanzure> hahah fantastic
17:32 <@kanzure> http://dev.horde.org/h/jonah/stories/view.php?channel_id=1&id=155
17:33 <@kanzure> a wonderful horde backdoor
17:43 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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18:19 <@kanzure> hi yashgaroth
18:19 < yashgaroth> hey
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19:13 < d3nd3> life is long, if you give it away, so stay, don't go, cos i'm fading away, soul to soul, between you and me, chain me down but i am still free
19:18 < sylph_mako> That's off-topic meaningless wank. Just fyi.
19:23 < klafka> hey
19:28 < d3nd3> t o t m w . j fyi
19:28 < d3nd3> hey
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19:42 < klafka> hey delinquentme
19:42 < delinquentme_> klafka, !
19:42 < delinquentme_> interview went well
19:42 < delinquentme_> like reall well
19:42 < klafka> oh yeah?
19:42 < klafka> how'd you like chris
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19:43 < delinquentme_> seems like he could be an awesome manager
19:43 < klafka> yeah he's a relaly nice guy
19:43 < delinquentme_> knows lots of cool stuff
19:43 < klafka> i like working with him a lot
19:43 < delinquentme_> we were talking algos
19:43 < delinquentme_> made a really cool point about search spaces which I havn't considered before
19:43 < klafka> interesting
19:44 < delinquentme_> ya man ya
19:44 < klafka> so you've got another call tomorrow right?
19:45 < klafka> you talked to tamara already too right?
19:45 < klafka> and she sort of gave you the HR overview shit right?
19:45 < klafka> and chris told you about what you'd be doing too?
19:46 < delinquentme_> yeah we talked about the stitching together client and our ends
19:46 < klafka> ok cool
19:46 < delinquentme_> havnt gotten the second call or scheduled it
19:46 < klafka> oh
19:46 < klafka> um well
19:46 < klafka> they will
19:46 < klafka> with the director of services
19:46 < delinquentme_> yeah he said shell be in contact
19:46 < klafka> so um
19:46 < klafka> act surprised i gues
19:46 < klafka> s
19:46 < klafka> heh
19:47 < delinquentme_> ha!
19:47 < klafka> i'm pushing hard because i think you'll do really good
19:47 < delinquentme_> no im definitely looking forawrd to talkign to these guys
19:47 <@kanzure> don't act surprised.. "oh you guys? yeah you're the third one to call today"
19:47 < klafka> also like i said, i have a potential roommate situation if you want? :P
19:47 < delinquentme_> and after what they told me about the stack I definitely think I can help
19:47 < klafka> i want to possibly rent this room in this loft
19:47 < klafka> yeah
19:48 < klafka> like the cool thing is
19:48 < klafka> even if you're a TAM
19:48 < klafka> you can help everywhere
19:48 < klafka> it's still small enough
19:48 < klafka> like me, i'm doing lotso f analytics stuff
19:48 < delinquentme_> startups baby
19:48 < delinquentme_>                         ^^^
19:48 < klafka> yeah
19:48 < delinquentme_> stats b aby
19:48 < klafka> i mean i actually really like that
19:48 < klafka> about a startup
19:48 < klafka> you're not just 'oh i do this all day'
19:48 < delinquentme_> thats why startups kick ass
19:48 < klafka> it's like 'oh i can help with this and this and this'
19:48 < delinquentme_> thats why they put the rape down on bigger companies
19:48 < delinquentme_> BECAUSE they're agile
19:48 < delinquentme_> in more than one way
19:49 < klafka> yeah
19:49 <@kanzure> the hell are you two smoking?
19:49 < delinquentme_> kanzure, is jelly
19:49 < delinquentme_> we're drinking the koolaid yo
19:49 < klafka> kanzure is mystified that i like doing a support role
19:49 < delinquentme_> we're gonna have a big lan party nerd down when we all move out there
19:49 <@kanzure> you two should buy/sell from each other
19:50 < klafka> also kanzure i'm well aware of the pitfalls of my company too
19:50 < yashgaroth> what? I love working at a startup, fuck doing one thing for nine hours a day
19:50 < delinquentme_> yashgaroth, ^^^^
19:50 < klafka> but i think the benefits currently far outweigh the negatives
19:50 <@kanzure> "yeah it's like AGILE MAN" come on guys
19:50 < delinquentme_> kanzure, lol
19:50 < klafka> we're so scrum
19:50 < delinquentme_> but it is?
19:50 < klafka> and agile
19:50 < delinquentme_> hold on hold on
19:50 < klafka> and buzzwordy
19:50 < klafka> RAILS
19:50 <@kanzure> and waterfall?
19:50 < klafka> we're scrum waterfall
19:50 < yashgaroth> paradigms, guys
19:51 < delinquentme_> when we say agile i dont mean the management practice
19:51 < klafka> with blue sky value add
19:51 < klafka> delinquentme_ i know
19:51 < delinquentme_> but instead cross disciplinary
19:51 < klafka> yeah
19:51 < delinquentme_> ok ok
19:51 < delinquentme_> lol
19:51 < delinquentme_> kanzure, is being a butthole
19:51 < delinquentme_> * << butthole
19:51 < delinquentme_> LOL
19:51 < yashgaroth> to be fair, a startup is a lot more locked into a single project
19:51 < delinquentme_> yashgaroth, true but nuances within a project
19:52 < klafka> but a single project has a lot of shit
19:52 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: i think they are "bonding"
19:52 <@kanzure> i understand now
19:52 < yashgaroth> d'awww
19:52 < klafka> lol
19:52 < delinquentme_> hahah
19:52 < klafka> also kanzure you have no idea how much i need more support ppl :P
19:52 < delinquentme_> HUG IT OUT GUYS
19:52 < delinquentme_> hug it out
19:53 <@kanzure> klafka: nathan mccorkle is also looking or work
19:53 <@kanzure> *for work
19:53 < klafka> who is that?
19:53 < delinquentme_> lol girlfriend is upset i spent all day coding and doing interviews
19:53 < delinquentme_> not buying her chocolate
19:53 < delinquentme_> lulz oops.
19:53 < klafka> apparently someone from RIT
19:53 <@kanzure> klafka: he hangs out on diybio a lot
19:53 <@kanzure> did an open source spectrometer
19:54 < yashgaroth> he's nmz787 on here, when he's here
19:54 < klafka> which is super funny
19:54 <@kanzure> spent last summer doing sequencing for jbei
19:54 < klafka> ah cool
19:54 < delinquentme_>              ^^^
19:54 < klafka> what sort of job is he looking for?
19:54 <@kanzure> anything, i don't think he cares
19:54 < klafka> well have him talk to me
19:55 < delinquentme_> klafka, they should be paying you bonuses
19:55 <@kanzure> they are..
19:56 < delinquentme_> if i get it im totally taking you out to wine n dine u
19:56 < delinquentme_> ha
19:56 <@kanzure> it's usually $5k min
19:56 < klafka> lol thanks
19:56 < delinquentme_> hope u dont get date raped!
19:56 <@kanzure> but i could see $10k pretty easy
19:56 < delinquentme_> kanzure, what?
19:56 < delinquentme_> ohhh oh ic ic
19:56 < delinquentme_> yeah like
19:57 < delinquentme_> importing the right talent
19:57 < delinquentme_> like im slightly above derp
19:57 <@kanzure> what? no i mean referral bonuses
19:57 < delinquentme_> ^^
19:59 <@kanzure> delinquentme_: time for you to study ochem
19:59 < klafka> we do get a referral bonus
19:59 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/synthesis.html
19:59 <@kanzure> that goes for you too klafka
20:00 < delinquentme_> stats!
20:00 < klafka> kk
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20:08 <@kanzure> ideas for google adword keywords for ##hplusroadmap?
20:09 <@kanzure> i'd like to dump a few bucks a day on random longtail keywords for things that people who are potentially useful might be searching for
20:10 < foucist> kanzure: advertise on their names for when they google themselves
20:10 <@kanzure> let's assume these are for people that i don't know
20:11 <@kanzure> erm, i mean, for people that i don't know the names of
20:11 < foucist> how about really technical jargon
20:12 <@kanzure> right.. but can't be too generic,
20:12 <@kanzure> like 'oligonucleotide synthesis' is already embarrassingly small in search volume, but not specific enough
20:12 <@kanzure> "transcranial direct current stimulation" might be ok
20:12 < foucist> yeah
20:12 < foucist> what sort of people are you looking for the most?
20:12 <@kanzure> "global monthly searches: 2400"
20:13 < foucist> what about ai folks?
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20:13 <@kanzure> i haven't met a useful ai folk yet
20:13 <@kanzure> machine learning people are pretty savvy and they're fun, though
20:13 < foucist> yeah
20:14 < foucist> kanzure: btw the traffic on adwords is typically 3-5x more than what the tool reports
20:14 <@kanzure> ah. i don't run many campaigns so thanks..
20:14 < foucist> i.e. closer to 10k for tdcs most likely
20:15 < foucist> but for that type of search term you might just end up with people that are just trying to find out what it's about
20:15 <@kanzure> right.
20:15 <@kanzure> finding su8/pdms people would be nice though
20:15 < foucist> probably want to differentiate between the intent of the search term, research vs doing-shit heh
20:16 <@kanzure> oh, maybe capturing people who are doing material safety queries on particularly relevant chemicals
20:16 < delinquentme_> klafka, also told him about my cop happenings :D
20:17 <@kanzure> "msds '4-'4-dimethoxytrityl" no queries..
20:18 < roksprok> what about people who search for relevant academic events
20:18 < foucist> kanzure: yeah try advertising on it anyways.. search volume is too low for the tool to report anything..  but what you probably want to do is generate a huge list of keywords for that msds idea
20:18 < foucist> with all sorts of variations etc
20:18 < roksprok> like, dna synthesis conference
20:18 < roksprok> or mashine learning conference 2012
20:18 <@kanzure> dna synthesis is too generic, you're not going to find transhumanists on that
20:18 < foucist> kanzure: i.e. generate 10k keywords foo the msds
20:19 < foucist> for*
20:19 <@kanzure> foucist: is there a bulk upload?
20:19 <@kanzure> roksprok: also, the other problem is that people who go to conferences might not be the people i want to target haha
20:19 < foucist> yeah there's a downloadable adwords tool from google
20:19 < roksprok> kanzure: good point
20:19 < foucist> also you can import .csv into the online interface i think?
20:19 <@kanzure> maybe by journal name or paper name
20:20 <@kanzure> yeah, actually, by researcher name
20:20 <@kanzure> so people who search for whiteside's nonsense or quake's pdms stuff
20:20 <@kanzure> stephen quake is 1600/mo ish.. so it's measurable at least
20:20 < foucist> kanzure: it actually might be more effective to focus on content display network, i.e. advertise on specific sites
20:20 < foucist> and focus less on search/keywords
20:21 < foucist> might be able to advertise on some of the research paper sites through adwords
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20:42 < delinquentme_> NIGHT LOVS
20:42 < delinquentme_> <3
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21:31 < n_bentha> d3nd3!
21:31 < n_bentha> can u fly yet?
21:32 < d3nd3> yea, i'm coming to get you, take you to my nest and feed you to my litter
21:32 < n_bentha> :O
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21:37 < klafka> hey
21:37 <@kanzure> hi klafka
21:38 < klafka> we're not bonding because you're not interviewing with my company
21:38 < klafka> idk if we can talk kanzure
21:38 < klafka> :P
21:38 <@kanzure> you can't afford me
21:38 < klafka> it's true
21:38 < klafka> we can't
21:38 < klafka> if we had a senior eng position open maybe
21:38 <@kanzure> welp at least you're honest
21:38 < n_bentha> i'm a cell and molecular bio major, hire me!
21:38 < klafka> i mean we're not looking for a position you'd want to fill
21:39 < klafka> n_bentha HAH
21:39 < klafka> do you at least know statistics?
21:39 <@kanzure> klafka: your team is going to end up being all these weird biologists
21:40 < klafka> LOL
21:41 < n_bentha> klafka, of course i know statistics~!
21:41 < n_bentha> i'm really good @ math
21:42 < klafka> well that's not most mol and cel bio majors i know n_bentha
21:42 < klafka> tell me when the central limit theorem does NOT apply
21:43 < klafka> or some come times when it does not
21:43 < klafka> *common
21:46 < n_bentha> when the sample size is too small
21:47 < n_bentha> or when u're dealing w/ the t-table instead of a z-table, right?
21:47 < n_bentha> i was going to take cal3, but medschools change the requirements to stats
21:58 < n_bentha> no yes maybe?
21:59 <@kanzure> what?
21:59 < n_bentha> the CLT...?
22:02 < klafka> well actually CLT technically only implies in the infinite data limit :P
22:02 < klafka> but yeah
22:03 < klafka> also a z table is when you've just transformed an assumed gaussian distribution to be normal
22:03 < klafka> a t-table is a student t distribution
22:03 < klafka> anyway
22:03 < klafka> kanzure do you know any robotics companies in the bay area?
22:03 < klafka> n_bentha why are you looking for a job in a tech startup?
22:04 <@kanzure> klafka: what type of robotics
22:04 <@kanzure> because i could be a huge asshole and say "anybots"
22:05 <@kanzure> which is questionable by most people's standards
22:05 < klafka> systems integrations / engineering as well as like autonomous / vehicular
22:05 <@kanzure> willow garage
22:05 < klafka> a friend is a ms ce/ee grad from UIUC/CMU
22:05 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Garage
22:06 < klafka> ah got taht
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22:06 <@kanzure> oh geeze"The two computers located in the base of the robot are 8-core servers with 24 Gigabytes of RAM for a total of 48 GB. The battery system consists of 16 laptop batteries."
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22:09 < n_bentha> i'll be needin' a job soon, klafka. but i'ma try for medschool first
22:09 < n_bentha> :O
22:09 < klafka> oh
22:10 < klafka> LOL
22:14 < Stee|> n_bentha: have a fun next 10 years
22:15 < n_bentha> i will
22:18 < klafka> hmm kanzure any ideas other than willow garage
22:18 < Mokbortolan_> does anybody know a lot about the SMART program?
22:19 <@kanzure> klafka: ask fenn, i think he might have a more thorough list
22:19 < klafka> fiiiine
22:20 < n_bentha> ya i heard of it
22:20 < n_bentha> they say it's open to undergrads
22:20 < n_bentha> but most ppl that are in it are in gradschool
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22:45 < Stee|> lol
22:46 < Stee|> someone in #LW got angry at me saying it wasn't the best board for every type of discussion ever
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22:53 < foucist> i troll #lesswrong all the time
22:59 <@kanzure> lesswrong is a cult, get over it
22:59 < Stee|> it's funny dude
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23:08 <@kanzure> hello noahj
23:08 < noahj> Hey kanzure
23:08 < noahj> It's been a long time
23:09 < noahj> I tried piracetam somewhat recently and realised I don't have a good way to measure whether it's effective
23:09 < noahj> The nootropics subreddit seems to indicate that this is a pretty common experience
23:09 < Stee|> noahj: Try double n-backs?
23:11 < noahj> I'll try those now and assume that's some sort of baseline
23:12 < Stee|> it's better if you do it before pira, but if you start now then you should be okay
23:12 < Stee|> you want to do it like 30 mins a day I think
23:13 < Stee|> and then if your rate of improvement increases with pira/baseline, that MAY be an affect
23:13 < noahj> I've been off it for a week or so now and I've noticed no negative effects
23:15 <@kanzure> honestly, i'm really disappointed with most noots
23:15 <@kanzure> n=1 is fine but we need effects that are 1000x not "it may or may not be 0.2x"
23:15 < Stee|> rhodiola is one of the ones I've seen pretty universally have strong effects
23:16 < yashgaroth> I found piracetam cost-effective just for destroying my tolerance to alcohol and caffeine
23:16 < Stee|> It's useful to cycle your xanthines, as well
23:17 < Stee|> yohimbine is a nice supplement, but it's noot properties are reduced
23:17 < Stee|> Although my ADHD friends all swear by pira having an incredible affect on them (Molybdenum among them)
23:17 < noahj> Piracetam killed my tolerance for caffeine too
23:18 < noahj> I'm suspicious of rhodiola just because I don't see very much detail on it-- what're the active compounds?
23:18 < Stee|> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea#Phytochemicals_and_potential_health_effects
23:18 <@kanzure> piracetam did not have a particularly strong effect on me (adhd)
23:19 < Stee|> kanz, how long did you take it?
23:19 <@kanzure> just once, hah
23:19 <@kanzure> didn't care
23:19 < Stee|> it's supposed to take ~6 weeks for full buildup
23:19 < Stee|> oxi or noopept can (sometimes) kick in first time
23:19 <@kanzure> oh i wasn't aware of the buildup timeline
23:19 <@kanzure> makes sense to me
23:20  * kanzure sleeps
23:20 < Stee|> hmm
23:20 < Stee|> I should check my bank account balance and work on my drink mix
23:20 <@kanzure> "checking your bank account balance" is for poor people
23:20 <@kanzure> pay someone else to do it
23:21 < Stee|> someday soon
23:21 < noahj> How much did you take?
23:21 < Stee|> once these shackles of a degree are unlatched from my ankles
23:21 < noahj> I took 3 grams, then 1g for a while, got bored and took 6g, then went back to 1g for a couple weeks, and then took 15g and then stopped
23:21 < Stee|> 1g is really low
23:22 < Stee|> 3g a day is a reasonable amount, I think that's what my mom does
23:22 < noahj> At 3g I was getting much better dreams, but not much else
23:22 < noahj> I basically just kept taking it for the dreams
23:22 < Stee|> I have oxi for needing to get extra work done
23:23 < noahj> Maybe I'll try another racetam
23:23 < noahj> Piracetam seems like it's had the most research done on it
23:25 < Stee|> ani and oxi have some
23:27 < noahj> I know the one -not- to take is levitiracetam :-p
23:28 < Stee|> Mokbortolan_ sells, tho he may be out of stock
23:28 < noahj> It's time to make some brownies, I'll return in a while
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23:41 < Mokbortolan_> of what
23:42 < Mokbortolan_> I need to update my stock page :p
23:44 < Mokbortolan_> noahj: nefiracetam is another one you'll want to skip :p
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