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07:45 < kanzure> booop
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09:48 < kanzure> boop
09:52 < Mokbortolan_> Poop.
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09:53 < Mokbortolan_> kanzure: is microwaved food safe, or is it a witch's brew of microwave-induced isomerized substances?
09:54 < Mokbortolan_> err, a witch's brew of microwave-induced isomerizations?
09:54 < kanzure> i don't know i'm not paranoid enough
09:54 < kanzure> something something about not microwaving plastic
09:55 < Mokbortolan_> I've read all these articles at "health" magazines, but I can't find any real research underlying the claims
09:55 < kanzure> stop reading magazines :P
09:55 < Mokbortolan_> they're the only ones with the chutzpah to challenege the microwave-manufacturer oligarchy! :p
09:56 < Mokbortolan_> I've read about using microwaves in chemistry for a while
09:57 < Mokbortolan_> so I know it does change food chemically...
09:57 < Mokbortolan_> maybe I should do a mouse experiment with my daughter
09:57 < kanzure> you could also consider doing a water microbe project with her
09:58 < kanzure> go to some local water bodies, lakes, streams, oceans and gather some critters
09:58 < kanzure> buy a nice microscope, take some videos
09:58 < Mokbortolan_> yeah! I did that in school
09:58 < Mokbortolan_> egg-yolk and paramecium
09:58 < kanzure> see if you can raise them
09:58 < kanzure> etc. as a kid i would have loved that (i still do)
09:58 < kanzure> i was more of a bug catcher; i didn't know things were that small :(
09:58 < Mokbortolan_> I need to get a decent microscope
09:58 < Mokbortolan_> I read about an adult wasp... smaller than a paramecium
09:58 < foucist> saw something about microwaves being less damaging on food than conventional means of heating, good for steaming veggies etc.. forget where though
09:59 < Mokbortolan_> 0.13mm
09:59 < Mokbortolan_> they hatch (and mate!) inside insect eggs
09:59 < Mokbortolan_> cant' remember what type of eggs, might be bees
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10:14 < kanzure> why is dna-directed dna polymerase called "nucleotidyltransferase"
10:14 < kanzure> what does -tidyl- have to do with it
10:17 < uniqanomaly> http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8797/33108908.jpg nanotech company name idea
10:17 < uniqanomaly> not mine
10:19 < Mokbortolan_> Nigerian Nanotech Inc.
10:19 < Mokbortolan_> ?
10:19 < rkos> maybe it could be used in the movie 2016 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYmFqEkCGQ
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11:09 < kanzure> what about a series of switchable guanylyltransferases
11:10 < kanzure> we'd need 16 switchable enzymes
11:11 < kanzure> poly(n)-adenosine guanylyltransferases, poly(n)-guanine guanylyltransferases, poly(n)-thymine guanylyltransferases, poly(n)-cytosine guanylyltransferases
11:11 < kanzure> unfortunately you would also have to wait for these to dissociate and for the next to attach when you switch your light over
11:12 < kanzure> also, they don't exist.
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12:11 < delinquentme> I might have to deploy this on amazon
12:11 < delinquentme> hmmmm!
12:11 < delinquentme> not sure if heroku lets free customers run javer
12:16 < ParahSailin> any way to have google alert for google scholar?
12:18 < kanzure> "A chimeric construct in which loop1 from TdT was inserted in Pol mu displays terminal transferase activity, but a largely reduced DNA-dependent polymerization"
12:18 < ParahSailin> what do you guys think about adhd
12:18 < kanzure> i think adhd is great
12:18 < ParahSailin> not sure if i have it
12:19 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, I think theres a big market for it
12:19 < delinquentme> and if you're a hammer every problem looks like a nail
12:19 < ParahSailin> adderall makes me superman
12:19 < delinquentme> me too
12:20 < delinquentme> but then again any anphetamine does
12:20 < ParahSailin> i mean i can be lazy, and most of the stuff on dsm-iv would describe me
12:20 < ParahSailin> i guess there's just a continuum of "energy level" as a temperamental trait
12:20 < ParahSailin> motivation, akrasia, all that too
12:20 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, i think ADHD is a combination of the fact we've got drugs for focus, parents with health insurance and college being shitty at engaging the students
12:21 < rkos> i don't think you're ever going to get to the end of it if you try to think about whether someone really has a syndrome from the dsm or not
12:21 < ParahSailin> but man the people in #/r/ADHD are pretty hostile to that idea
12:21 < ParahSailin> the raging victimhood
12:21 < kanzure> adhd+adderall is very different from not-adhd+adderall, from what i can tell
12:21 < ParahSailin> "we are different in kind from you, not in degree"
12:21 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, victimhood is awesome
12:21 < delinquentme> its like an extension of religion!
12:21 < delinquentme> im lazy!
12:21 < delinquentme> but its not my FAULT
12:21 < kanzure> ParahSailin: solution, stop reading reddit
12:21 < delinquentme> YESSS
12:21 < rkos> i tend to think that if someone can get some use out of CBT/drugs for their life then thats the only justification you need
12:22 < delinquentme> dont reddit unless r/boobies
12:22 < delinquentme> :P
12:22 < Mokbortolan_> yeah, there are very definite differences in the brains of people diagnosed with adhd and those who do not meet those criteria
12:22 < delinquentme> kanzure, any idea if I can get java on heroku for a rails application?
12:22 < rkos> no need to try to appeal to some god given normal state which you need medical assistance to reach
12:23 < delinquentme> but i mean my life is so much better when things arent my fault
12:23 < kanzure> delinquentme: no i think you have to choose a particular stack on heroku
12:23 < kanzure> delinquentme: stop channeling redditisms in to here.. they aren't useful
12:24 < Mokbortolan_> and the characteristics for ADHD start in childhood and are a common thread throughout a sufferer's life
12:24 < Mokbortolan_> it's basically a developmental disorder
12:24 < Mokbortolan_> AFAIK
12:24 < delinquentme> kanzure, motivation :P
12:25 < delinquentme> but it doesnt work for everyone
12:25 < ParahSailin> i guess "doesn't like to do things that are not very rewarding" is a disease now
12:25 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i think you're talking about different things
12:25 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, so when parents were taught
12:25 < delinquentme> *NOSE TO THE GRINDSTONE*
12:25 < delinquentme> eat shit till it tastes good!
12:25 < ParahSailin> thats pretty much the conclusion i came to on my own, but i went to #/r/ADHD to get the contrary view
12:25 < delinquentme> aka the military model
12:25 < delinquentme> well yeah!
12:25 < kanzure> adhd is presumably caused by some particularly different receptors on neuronal membranes
12:26 < kanzure> any of the psychological explanations of adhd are bullshit
12:26 < delinquentme> who wants to be emotionally raptured when you can just eat shit day in and day out
12:26 < kanzure> it's like trying to explain schizophrenia with psychology
12:26 < rkos> well illness has never been an absolute
12:26 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.citeulike.org/user/xinian/article/1787262
12:26 < kanzure> i think you two are just being drawn into the reddit hype
12:26 < kanzure> so i suggest you stop that..
12:27  * delinquentme humps Mokbortolan_ 's leg
12:27  * delinquentme mantra: composure
12:27 < delinquentme> Juul, you didnt host your RJB on heroku did you?
12:28 < rkos> but there is no real test for ADHD kanzure
12:28 < kanzure> rkos: you can do sequencing to determine what sort of mutations on receptors you have
12:28 < rkos> so when you talk about ADHD you talk about a very large group of people that aren't defined by something concrete like different receptors
12:29 < kanzure> are you talking about misdiagnosing people?
12:29 < kanzure> or the disorder itsel
12:29 < kanzure> *itself
12:29 < rkos> well sequencing is not used in clinics and certainly not in psychiatry here at least
12:29  * delinquentme sings ke$sha at the top of his lungs
12:29 < delinquentme> ^^^ ADHD
12:30 < ParahSailin> well a video i just watched gave fmri stuff about areas of the brain that dont light up for adhd
12:30 < rkos> isn't ADHD defined by some list of symptoms instead of some concrete feature like the receptor thing?
12:30 < kanzure> rkos: ok so how is that not a real test
12:31 < kanzure> yes it's true that people make mistakes when diagnosing patients.. is that what you want to talk about ??
12:31 < rkos> i didn't even know there was any test for ADHD
12:31 < ParahSailin> if its a receptor thing, then the only solution is chemical dependency?
12:31 < kanzure> ParahSailin: not necessarily of course
12:32 < Mokbortolan_> "ADHD" will likely be split up into separate disorders in time
12:32 < rkos> but i have a friend who has ADHD and he was just given meds after a few vists and no test
12:32 < kanzure> rkos: to be fair, it's more like "here's a lot of shit that we observe in adhd versus controls"
12:32 < Mokbortolan_> mine is "ADHD - Predominantly Inattentive".  I don't have any hyperactivity symptoms, for example
12:32 < ParahSailin> because i'd like to solve my problems, but i dont trust the integrity of most docs
12:32 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: mine is adhd-hyperactive
12:32 < ParahSailin> or the state of medical science for that matter
12:33 < kanzure> ParahSailin: nor should you
12:33 < Mokbortolan_> you CAN use them to inform your own search for increased performance
12:33 < ParahSailin> i dont know where to look for better info
12:34 < ParahSailin> yah i guess i would be adhd-i as well
12:34 < ParahSailin> what they used to call ADD
12:34 < Mokbortolan_> but I don't buy this whole transfer of responsibility to physicians
12:34 < kanzure> how do you know that's not ADD
12:34 < kanzure> ADD and ADHD definitely have differences
12:34 < ParahSailin> dsm-iv calls add adhd-i
12:35 < kanzure> hmmm is that so
12:35 < ParahSailin> problem with adderall is that it makes me completely emotionally cold
12:35 < Mokbortolan_> the wiki on ADHD-PI is very good
12:35 < kanzure> ParahSailin: that's odd, i'm sorry to hear that
12:35 < Mokbortolan_> adderall kills my creativity
12:35 < Mokbortolan_> and makes me socially weird
12:35 < kanzure> kills your creativity?
12:35 < kanzure> man i must have hit the jackpot
12:35 < Mokbortolan_> yep
12:36 < ParahSailin> i wish i could turn on and off adderall mode for just when i needed it
12:36 < Mokbortolan_> I think (conceptually) it focuses activity, whereas normally I'm calling on regions spread throughout my brain
12:36 < kanzure> also i tend to ignore anything that talks about adhd in terms of dopamine.. dopamine is such a cop-out answer
12:36 < ParahSailin> i dont need to stay awake in the 2s and 3s am
12:36 < kanzure> although talking about particular dopamine receptors might be ok
12:36 < ParahSailin> i just need four hours of high focus work
12:36 < Mokbortolan_> so I can get better at the task at hand, but I can't reference other data useful in  conceptual leaps
12:36 < kanzure> ParahSailin: then use the smaller dosages?
12:38 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i really like the enzyme engineering that went into this
12:38 < rkos> or methylphenidate instead of adderall
12:38 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/polymerase/A%20specific%20loop%20in%20human%20DNA%20polymerase%20mu%20allows%20switching%20between%20creative%20and%20DNA-instructed%20synthesis.pdf
12:40 < kanzure> "Conferring a template-dependent polymerase activity to terminal deoxynucleotidyltransferase by mutations in the Loop1 region"
12:41 < kanzure> that's also cool^
12:43 < kanzure> "Class II enzymes (found in bacteria and eukaryotes) carry a flexible loop in their catalytic core required for switching the specificity of the nucleotide binding pocket from CTP- to ATP-recognition."
12:51 < kanzure> stalk: Tom Hargreaves <hex@freezone.co.uk>
12:51 < kanzure> http://sphere.chronosempire.org.uk/~HEx/tmp/prop.pdf
12:51 < kanzure> "Light-dependent RNA polymerase: a research proposal"
12:53 < kanzure> http://sphere.chronosempire.org.uk/~HEx/
12:54 < kanzure> also he makes sonic music :3 http://sphere.chronosempire.org.uk/~HEx/sonic/
12:55 < kanzure> looks like he's an ok programmer https://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q="hex%40freezone.co.uk"
13:01 < ParahSailin> redox might be best way to control an enzyme
13:02 < kanzure> delinquentme: i sent you a rails job email
13:02 < delinquentme> oh hot!
13:02 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/new-disposable-dna-sequencer-runs-molecular-analysis-powered-usb
13:03 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: not released yet ;)
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13:43 < archels> <span class="hideMe">
13:43 < archels> <strong>Guardian Angels</strong>
13:43 < archels> <em>for a smarter life</em>
13:44 < archels> What is this doing behind the logo of the Human Brain Project (www.humanbrainproject.eu)?
13:46 < kanzure> *shrug* lots of insecure servers out there
13:46 < kanzure> page.onLoadFinished = handle_checkout_page_reloading;
13:46 < kanzure> erm.. ignore that
13:47 < kanzure> uhm.. cathal just posted an email: " - To further explore the DIY aspect of eating in the future, the
13:47 < kanzure> butcher Ed Hick will give a live demonstration on how to skin and
13:47 < kanzure> prepare a whole rabbit. www.hicks.ie"
13:55 < roksprok> does that mean all cooking is diybio?
13:55 < roksprok> i guess home brewing is pretty similar anyway
13:56 < Mokbortolan_> if by "diybio" you mean "struggling to survive", then yes!
14:01 < Mokbortolan_> Now who's up for a game of Centrifugal Bumblepuppy?!?!
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14:10 < archels> Guardian Angels, a project to develop nanoscale sensors and interfaces for detecting and responding to environmental danger.
14:14 < kanzure> is that a lifeboat foundation thing
14:14 < kanzure> archels: how's your protein engineering / rational desig
14:14 < kanzure> design
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14:21 < archels> kanzure: practially zero, I'm trying to engineer neural networks instead.
14:31 < ParahSailin> whats your protein engineering thing
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14:41 < kanzure> hrmm short-patch compartmentalized self-replication
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16:03 < foucist> anyone here into evolutionary computation ?
16:04 < kanzure> i've dabbled a bit with GAs and evolutionary search
16:07 < foucist> cool
16:07 < foucist> kanzure: btw, you know of a rails job?
16:07 < kanzure> yeah a few..
16:08 < kanzure> need something?
16:08 < kanzure> *need one?
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17:01 < kanzure> http://news.diybio.org/
17:01 < kanzure> welp there goes http://bit.ly/diybionews2
17:02 < n_bentha> hey kanzure
17:03 < n_bentha> is that group about sequencing dna using enzymes instead of chemical anaylsis?
17:04 < kanzure> it's not sequencing. synthesis.
17:04 < kanzure> and yes.. using an enzyme
17:05 < n_bentha> oh. ribosomes have u beat
17:06 < kanzure> no ribosomes do their own thing
17:06 < n_bentha> oh dna synthesis
17:06 < n_bentha> i know ribosomes are different, sorry
17:06 < n_bentha> dna pol 3, right?
17:06 < kanzure> ribosomes aren't under direct human control
17:06 < kanzure> polymerase isn't either
17:06 < kanzure> there is no particular polymerase picked out yet
17:06 < kanzure> but there are many candidates (about 3000)
17:07 < n_bentha> so u want to be able to synthesize dna de-novo?
17:07 < kanzure> i want to control dna polymerase's activity with either light, electricity or mechanical mechanisms
17:07 < n_bentha> instead of making oligio's?
17:07 < kanzure> *optical
17:07 < n_bentha> ah cool
17:08 < kanzure> *electrial
17:08 < kanzure> *electrical
17:08 < n_bentha> so flash one wave length and have it add some A's, and another wavelength and have it at some T's?
17:08 < kanzure> it doesn't have to be light, but yes.
17:09 < n_bentha> ah that would be cool. but wouldn't rearrangement of existing sequences combined w/ oligios work better?
17:09 < kanzure> what?
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17:09 < kanzure> are you a biologist?
17:09 < n_bentha> yes
17:09 < kanzure> ok so you're talking about ligating things together?
17:09 < n_bentha> of course
17:10 < kanzure> ok yes i agree ligation is a useful mechanism
17:10 < kanzure> we've developed a ligation scheme that we want to test (in this channel)
17:10 < kanzure> but it's unrelated to the enzymatic synthesis roadmap
17:10 < n_bentha> oooh cool
17:10 < n_bentha> i guess i just don't stand the purpose of the enzymatic synth
17:11 < kanzure> dna polymerase is many thousands of times more efficient than chemical oligo synthesis
17:11 < n_bentha> true
17:11 < kanzure> and in the time that it takes you to access your oligo library for ligation, it will have already synthesized whatever it was from your library that you were trying to fetch ;)
17:12 < n_bentha> ah ok i see what you're saying.
17:13 < n_bentha>  it seems like a space-pen situation to me (so much effort to make a pen that writes in space when the russians just used pencils), but i'm a conscientious objector so don't let me discourage the endeavor
17:14 < kanzure> this enzyme already exists
17:14 < kanzure> it's just doing its own thing.
17:14 < n_bentha> oh u want to modify it
17:14 < n_bentha> cool
17:14 < kanzure> are you sure you're a biologist :x
17:15 < kanzure> i mean, polymerase definitely exists
17:15 < n_bentha> yes
17:17 < n_bentha> but haven't many complex sequences arisen from errors in replication?
17:18 < n_bentha> resulting in rearrangements of sequences
17:19 < kanzure> some polymerases have better fidelity and error correction than others. for instance, some have a 1-in-10,000 error rate.
17:21 < n_bentha> of course
17:22 < n_bentha> i wasn't necessarily talking about those kinds of errors, but was just saying that new sequences have come about through errors
17:23 < n_bentha> so it's unlikely that there's an enzyme that'll be able to link specific amino acids together
17:23 < kanzure> we're not linking amino acids
17:24 < n_bentha> nucleotides*
17:24 < kanzure> well, what about CCA-adding enzyme.. seems like that exists to me..
17:29 < n_bentha> maybe...
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18:31 < delinquentme> lawl
18:31 < delinquentme> thank god for headphones
18:31 < delinquentme> music. it makes you soar
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18:31 < delinquentme> and it also makes you want to rip faces
18:32 < delinquentme> thank god im not ripping faces w this terribul coffee shop muzak
18:39 < mag1stra1e> delinquentme: How did the interviews go?
18:39 < delinquentme> mag1stra1e, not bad! but I want everything to happen faster
18:40 < delinquentme> got 2 more tomorrow
18:40 < delinquentme> maybe 3 so well see
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18:41 < mag1stra1e> thats great man!
18:42 < mag1stra1e> How was the one job you really wanted to do?
18:42 < mag1stra1e> Did they give you a pay scale for it yet?
18:46 < kanzure> yashgaroth: so i was reading something today about chimeric polymerases
18:47 < yashgaroth> like those modified high-fidelity/temp ones?
18:47 < kanzure> nope
18:48 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/polymerase/A%20specific%20loop%20in%20human%20DNA%20polymerase%20mu%20allows%20switching%20between%20creative%20and%20DNA-instructed%20synthesis.pdf
18:50 < delinquentme> mag1stra1e, nahh man! no payscales yet
18:51 < yashgaroth> it seems like if you can decouple the processivity of the pol from the phosphate being released, you could add one at a time, if you then allow it to proceed with an external signal
18:51 < kanzure> the polymerase motor is sorta well studied, but yeah that's still an unknown
18:51 < yashgaroth> but like with all of this, you'll need to be significantly more reliable than chemical synthesis
18:51 < kanzure> i'm more worried about switching nucleotide selectivity
18:52 < mag1stra1e> delinquentme: have you interviewed with that company yet?
18:52 < yashgaroth> are we still focused on washing in the nucleotide for each step, or using transfer-RNA-like adaptors that can be activated at will
18:52 < kanzure> i don't think i've seen any engineered protein with 4+ chromophores or other light/mechanical/electrical inducable confomational change
18:52 < kanzure> washing is not ok in my opinion
18:52 < kanzure> washing significantly defeats the purpose
18:53 < yashgaroth> okay good cuz that'll be unreliable
18:53 < delinquentme> mag1stra1e, yeahh the LBL one phone interview .. the dude said he was impressed but whoknows
18:53 < delinquentme> payrate could go either way as they're closely coupled bc being a *HUGE* lab << lots of gov funding
18:53 < delinquentme> but they're also .. gov funded
18:54 < yashgaroth> but yeah if you're trying to get one molecule with four light-selectable motifs to add each base, and only doing one at a time, you might as well just design one from scratch
18:54 < mag1stra1e> delinquentme: I really hope it works out for you!
18:54 < kanzure> yashgaroth: i don't even know how that would look.
18:54 < yashgaroth> the elongation is pretty energetically favorable, and all pol does is make sure it matches the template, which we're not doing anyway
18:54 < mag1stra1e> it could be promising if he really likes you
18:54 < mag1stra1e> Just got to keep your hopes up I guess lol
18:55 < delinquentme> mag1stra1e, keep applying is what it is :D
18:55 < yashgaroth> oh man I have no idea how it'd look either, but we're modifying pol so heavily that it'll be a totally new structure anyway
18:55 < kanzure> well no i mean.. if you have 4 nucleotide binding pockets, where do they go
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18:56 < yashgaroth> oh, I was hoping one carrier protein for each nucleotide
18:56 < kanzure> i'd rather only interface with 1 giant enzyme
18:56 < mag1stra1e> :)
18:56 < yashgaroth> complexes, man, nature loves a good complex
18:57 < kanzure> what are you going to do, wait for your laser to transfer enough energy to all the nucleotide-protein complexes?
18:57 < yashgaroth> where did laser come in
18:57 < kanzure> huh?
18:57 < kanzure> what mechanism are you talking about?
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18:58 < yashgaroth> a laser works, but I was thinking more diffuse light, unless you're doing a thousand different reactions in a small area, which I guess you plan to
19:00 < kanzure> there's a lot of ADP/GTP/CTP-binding enzymes that have pretty good selectivity
19:00 < kanzure> we could just steal binding pockets from them
19:02 < delinquentme> 2012-02-23T03:01:31+00:00 heroku[web.1]: State changed from starting to crashed
19:02 < kanzure> congratulations you probably have a syntax error
19:02 < kanzure> did you run it locally first
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19:03 < delinquentme> kanzure, thats..
19:03 < delinquentme> not a bad idea
19:05 < delinquentme> 2012-02-23T03:01:26+00:00 app[web.1]: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/jruby/Main
19:05 < delinquentme> dis
19:08 < delinquentme> ok so I've verified that it downloaded that file correctly...
19:18 < delinquentme> kanzure, is this if  fi stuff shell scripts
19:18 < delinquentme> ?
19:20 < kanzure> where are you looking
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20:28 < delinquentme> sometimes I feel like I pitch some heavy shit in my emails hahah
20:29 < delinquentme> kanzure, the email attached to that position you forwarded is busted
20:30 < kanzure> just email whoever sent it
20:31 < delinquentme> jring@sharedhr.com is in the from field
20:33 < kanzure> yeah just email that person
20:36 < delinquentme> got it sorted
20:36 < delinquentme> thanks for the heads up
20:38 < delinquentme> NAO
20:38 < delinquentme> we interface w the heorku
20:38 < delinquentme> NO!
20:38 < delinquentme> t3h sinatra
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22:07 < sylph_mako> So, how about that google HUD thing.
22:08 < sylph_mako> Personally I'm underwhelmed but I still desperately need an optical uplink and I'll take what I can get.
22:10 < zacharycohn_> sylph_mako: it's an early look at the v1.
22:10 < zacharycohn_> I'm pretty excited, I will probably get one
22:10 < sylph_mako> It is very exciting. To see something like that finally being pushed mainstream.
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22:24 < Stee|> sylph_mako, link?
22:26 < sylph_mako> Stee|, http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/google-to-sell-terminator-style-glasses-by-years-end/
22:38 < Stee|> good
22:39 < Stee|> that'll help development efforts
22:39 < kanzure> help what?
22:40 < Stee|> we're working with some sixthsense stuff on my site
22:40 < Stee|> this makes a nice neat package for that
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23:07 < sylph_mako> Could I get a link to that stuff Stee|?
23:11  * kanzure sleeps
23:13 < Stee|> sylph, the convo?
23:13 < Stee|> we're just getting started now
23:15  * Mokbortolan_1 designs a brain input system.
23:15 < Stee|> Mokbortolan_1, go post it!
23:15 < Mokbortolan_1> post what?
23:15 < Mokbortolan_1> I'll post the kickstarter link when it's ready :p
23:16 < Stee|> your dev efforts
23:16 < Mokbortolan_1> oh
23:16 < Mokbortolan_1> well, it'll be proprietary
23:16 < Stee|> bah, fair
23:16 < Stee|> talked to rdb?
23:16 < Mokbortolan_1> at least, the hardware stuff
23:16 < Mokbortolan_1> there'll be an open source SDK
23:16 < Stee|> how much cash are you going to need?
23:17 < Mokbortolan_1> I have no idea
23:17 < Stee|> any idea when you're going live with this?
23:17 < Mokbortolan_1> could be $20,000, could be $2,000,000
23:17 < Mokbortolan_1> it'll take 1-2 years minimum
23:17 < Mokbortolan_1> the goal is to give my friend some new eyes
23:17 < Mokbortolan_1> he's going blind
23:18 < Mokbortolan_1> and he's too cool to let him wander around with a cane
23:21 < sylph_mako> Stee|, the sixthsense stuff? I thought sixthsense was the lanyard projector thing, not really designed for a HUD.
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23:25 < sylph_mako> Erm. The chest projector.
23:25 < Stee|> sylph: just imagine instead of it projecting out on something, it instead simply puts that video output onto the hud
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