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01:20 < jrayhawk> "30 megapixel" is an oversimplification and "72 frames per second" is an outright lie
01:30 < joshcryer> What's the human perception frame rate?
01:30 < joshcryer> Higher?
01:31 < jrayhawk> POV on an unchanged CRT rescan starts working at around 100hz for me; I've met people for whom it's higher.
01:32 < jrayhawk> On changed rescans, the sky is the limit. I normally play video games at 150hz, and I could go a *lot* higher.
01:33 < jrayhawk> But I'm sure you could achieve the same thing with a 120hz scanout and a lot of compositing.
01:38 < jrayhawk> (which is to say, displays don't need to get a whole lot faster than 120, but rendering sure does)
01:41 < Coornail> 100 hertz is pretty close to reality
01:41 < joshcryer> I know TVs can get up to 240hz, probably higher these days. Have you personally looked at a 240hz screen with said source?
01:41 < Coornail> but I guess it all depends on the use case
01:41 < joshcryer> Coornail, I know that mismatching can cause a serious perception issue (say you have a game running at 50fps on a 60hz monitor).
01:43 < jrayhawk> 240hz displays require specialist hardware; I don't know of anyone who's run a video game on one.
01:44 < jrayhawk> As with interpixel interpolation, the upper limit for interframe interpolation is probably 4x for most and 8x for the obsessive.
01:46 < Coornail> but that also mean that for different use cases it will perform with different success
01:47 < joshcryer> Do you have problems watching film jrayhawk?
01:50 < jrayhawk> Action sequences filmed at 30hz bother me 'cause it's difficult to tell what's going on half the time (fuck you, bruckheimer), but I grew up around 50 and 60hz CRTs and ignore the scanout. I live with someone who gets headaches using anything less than 100hz and generally prefers 120.
01:51 < jrayhawk> http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/img/hovel/20110514_002.jpg My video wall is like kryptonite for her
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01:51 < joshcryer> That's fascinating to me.
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01:53 < joshcryer> I never had anything above 60hz, and I don't get headaches around anything that flickers (fluorescent lights, etc). And I can play Skyrim at about 45 fps for hours on end (put about 100 hours into it so far).
01:53 < joshcryer> I mean, I notice it, but it's not terribly jarring or uncomfortable.
01:53 < joshcryer> After awhile I adapt and I don't even notice it.
01:54 < jrayhawk> Obviously LCDs are a godsend for the headache crowd, since there's no need for POV.
01:55 < joshcryer> I think one thing really left out of that talk is the ability to reduce computation due to visual cues.
01:55 < joshcryer> Eye tracking and the like.
01:56 < joshcryer> You won't need to compute the rays for a given static object if you're not looking at it.
01:56 < jrayhawk> Yeah, the future is going to be head displays and eye tracking for a bit.
01:56 < joshcryer> I don't think it'll go commercial until it's the size of eye glasses and they have multi-megapixel cameras on the lenses.
01:56 < joshcryer> Then we'll have AR + rudimentary VR (it won't be realistic yet).
01:56 < joshcryer> Then we can throw away tablets.
01:57 < joshcryer> Oh, Happy Leap Day. :)
02:12 < jrayhawk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmFT9zy7fOU rage sorta already has detail-follows-focus, but mostly by accident
02:13 < jrayhawk> at least it's something that could be gracefully engineered on top of what they already have
02:17 < jrayhawk> displays should really be discussed in terms of pixels per radian rather than pixels per inch or total pixels
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07:30 < Steel_NSF> How goes
07:47 < Steel_NSF> I think my great aunt signed up on transhumani
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09:40 < delinquentme> MEH
09:40 < delinquentme> shipping fees!
09:40  * delinquentme sent angry tweets
09:40 < kanzure> that'll show them!
09:42 < delinquentme> SCHYEH!
09:45 < delinquentme> so what about creating a community where the basic purpose is to create an argument over why science move so slowy?
09:46 < delinquentme> we bring in a few experts .. get them rolling on the subject (yes easier said than done.. MAYBE)
09:46 < delinquentme> BUT
09:47 < kanzure> who is doing that?
09:47 < delinquentme> then find out how long it would take to become productive with a piece of equipment from the MFG of that equip
09:47 < delinquentme> say electron microscopes
09:47 < kanzure> i mean why do we care about arguments about science moving slowly
09:47 < kanzure> that does not sound productive
09:48 < delinquentme> now the powerful thing here is that we've bypassed the "experts" ( academic blahs ) and skipped right to the real experts
09:48 < delinquentme> the manufacturers
09:48 < kanzure> most academics do not know how to make their equipment
09:48 < kanzure> some branches of physics are unusual because of how they commonly make custom equipment
09:48 < kanzure> but that's not the norm
09:48 < delinquentme> NOW we get to open a forum on " can this task you're using a well educated grad student to do ... be  outsourced to a random bum off the street )
09:49 < kanzure> why?
09:49 < delinquentme> 2 reasons
09:49 < kanzure> they should be using robots, not bums
09:49 < kanzure> this is dumb..
09:49 < delinquentme> well yes true true
09:49 < delinquentme> 1) we begin to open up the idea that heavy real fucking science
09:49 < delinquentme> is available to everyone
09:49 < delinquentme> this would be SO huge
09:50 < kanzure> it already is available to everyone.. why is that new
09:50 < delinquentme> hardly!
09:50 < kanzure> the thing that mainly is not is the publications
09:50 < kanzure> but that's about it.
09:50 < delinquentme> PHDs != accessible
09:50 < kanzure> you don't need a phd
09:50 < kanzure> that's just a piece of paper
09:51 < delinquentme> and 2) we're replacing the "knowledge" that these dyed in the wool old boy club type researches have
09:51 < delinquentme> with really HARD evidence that they're wrong
09:51 < kanzure> wrong about what
09:51 < delinquentme> that it takes a phd to become productive
09:51 < delinquentme> and all the while the MFG has a new source of income training people how to use their equipment
09:51 < kanzure> they already know that.. that's why they use undergrads
09:52 < delinquentme> but even undergrads could work on more important shit
09:52 < kanzure> what does that have to do with your phd argument
09:53 < kanzure> i said they already know it does not require a phd to be productive
09:53 < delinquentme> make science accessible ( 2 week specialized education for a piece of equipment ) and everyone shifts up in impact of the work they do
09:53 < kanzure> and you said, "undergrads can be working too".. which is what already happens
09:53 < delinquentme> nono i mean we can take people off the street and do this shit
09:53 < kanzure> delinquentme: i don't think equipment training is the limiting factor
09:53 < delinquentme> like yes you cant work w a total idiot
09:54 < delinquentme> limiting factor would be?
09:54 < kanzure> the equipment is pretty standard and easy to use (in the scheme of things)
09:54 < delinquentme> erm i mean " whats the limiting factor in your opinion ?"
09:54 < kanzure> sure it doesn't look like an assPod but who cares
09:54 < kanzure> to making science accessible
09:54 < kanzure> isn't that what you just said?
09:54 < delinquentme> like I think that ... ehhh ... who was it
09:55 < delinquentme> someone said that basically REAL science is kind of ignored
09:55 < kanzure> you're basically saying that equipment training is the limiting factor to 'making science accessible'
09:55 < delinquentme> because it gets to the point of complexity where it might as well BE magic to some people
09:55 < delinquentme> im saying that its a foot in the door certainly
09:55 < kanzure> to what
09:55 < kanzure> please make a coherent statement
09:55 < delinquentme> like i had this argument w my friend .. right
09:55 < delinquentme> ...
09:55 < delinquentme> ok whats incoherent
09:56 < kanzure> you started talking about postulating we have arguments about science progress
09:56 < kanzure> then you're arguing that phds are necessary
09:56 < delinquentme> where?
09:57 < kanzure> by saying that you need them for something
09:58 < delinquentme> i missed that part?
09:58 < kanzure> their willingness to train people on equipment, does not matter in the scheme of things
09:58 < kanzure> sometimes they are the ones who do the training
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09:58 < kanzure> but in i.e. department mahine shops, it's the foremen
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09:58 < kanzure> their willingness to train people on equipment, does not matter in the scheme of things
09:58 < kanzure> sometimes they are the ones who do the training
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09:58 < kanzure> but in i.e. department mahine shops, it's the foremen
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09:58 < kanzure> ok scrwe it
09:59 < delinquentme_> w and q are really close
09:59 < delinquentme_> ok umm the MFGs do the training
09:59 < delinquentme_> ( additional income for them )
09:59 < kanzure> are you proposing that they should do this?
09:59 < kanzure> or are you trying to relay information to me
09:59 < delinquentme_> im saying if you can open up a forum .. and show that people are interested
09:59 < delinquentme_> i think they'd do it themselves .. they already do this in some industries
10:00 < kanzure> ok so you're proposing this
10:00 < delinquentme_> im saying its a cool idea
10:00 < delinquentme_> disclosure : it was my idea
10:00 < kanzure> ok. now that i know you're *proposing an idea* i can comment on it
10:00 < delinquentme_> yeah
10:00 < kanzure> equipment certification programs seems like an arbitrary barrier to entry
10:00 < kanzure> no thanks.
10:01 < delinquentme_> so for me
10:01 < delinquentme_> in the case of say HS students right
10:01 < delinquentme_> more kids into science
10:01 < delinquentme_> how do we get them viscerally engaged?
10:01 < kanzure> i think they will engage themselves if they want to
10:01 < delinquentme_> throw books at them? no way .. show them a fucking mad machine and say " Would you like to learn how to run this ?"
10:01 < delinquentme_> THAT.
10:01 < delinquentme_> true true
10:01 < delinquentme_> but thats the easy route
10:02 < delinquentme_> kids want to learn
10:02 < delinquentme_> but not in the traditional edu sense
10:02 < kanzure> you could also strap them down and force them to do science
10:02 < delinquentme_> fuck that
10:02 < delinquentme_> yeah bc that works well
10:02 < delinquentme_> that approach *TOTALLY* says " I have NO concept of human psyche "
10:02 < kanzure> ok so why do you need these kids to do science? are you in desperate need of additional workers?
10:03 < delinquentme_> it says " I'm lazy and cant think of a better way to incite the transfer of information .. than by force " .. yamn
10:03 < delinquentme_> yawn*!
10:03 < kanzure> there are tons of training programs already out there (all sorts of lab tech classes in community colleges, etc.)
10:03 < kanzure> i mean if you need to pick up a bunch of people making $24k/year to push buttons, there's a surplus of biotech people for that
10:03 < delinquentme_> kanzure, to make something a societal push .. you need to make it something anyone can relate with
10:03 < delinquentme_> right now .. its magic
10:03 < kanzure> a societal push for what?
10:03 < kanzure> it's not magic - that's a fucking lie
10:04 < delinquentme_> like REAL science might as well be black magic to most people
10:04 < delinquentme_> its too complex
10:04 < delinquentme_> we need to modularize it
10:04 < kanzure> you still shouldn't tell them it's magic.
10:04 < delinquentme_> and give it to them in small chunks
10:04 < delinquentme_> oh im not telling them its magic
10:04 < delinquentme_> (certainly)
10:04 < kanzure> yes you are- you just told me it's magic
10:04 < kanzure> dude this is impossible
10:04 < delinquentme_> i mean i used that to demonstrate to you what I was trying to convey
10:05 < ThomasEgi> witchcraft, burn the infidel! along with his books of sorcery
10:05 < kanzure> yes i know, and you shouldn't convey to anyone that it's magic
10:05 < delinquentme_> as in that they see it as something very complex
10:05 < kanzure> including me
10:05 < kanzure> yes, it is complex
10:05 < delinquentme_> i stand corrected
10:05 < kanzure> (but also simple)
10:05 < delinquentme_> you're absolutely right
10:05 < kanzure> ok so why do you need this societal push?
10:05 < delinquentme_> LEV
10:05 < delinquentme_> put those tools in peoples hands and say
10:05 < delinquentme_> HEY you might want this too
10:05 < delinquentme_> now you can help
10:06 < kanzure> education isn't bad but i don't see where you're going with this
10:06 < delinquentme_> and OMG even more if we could make this  as accessible as taking a class on rock climbing or something
10:06 < delinquentme_> like people talking about electron microscopy at the bar ??
10:06 < delinquentme_> wet dream shit!
10:06 < delinquentme_> no but education takes too long
10:06 < kanzure> just go to a bar near a university..
10:07 < kanzure> huh? you just said you wanted manufacturers to do equipment training
10:07 < kanzure> how is that not education
10:07 < delinquentme_> and whats REALLY powerful is we begin to combat this idea in a very public way that PHDs arent necessary to do real science
10:07 < delinquentme_> ohhh ohh ok ye
10:07 < delinquentme_> yeh**
10:07 < delinquentme_> we've got the fucking manufacturers saying
10:07 < delinquentme_> "yeah you can learn to run one of these in 2 weeks "
10:08 < delinquentme_> and you know .. we made the tool so .. we're not just talking out of our asses
10:08 < delinquentme_> ^ manufacturer
10:08 < delinquentme_> ps ThomasEgi howdah!
10:08 < ThomasEgi> hungry, as always.
10:08 < kanzure> in the future can you start with the end ("I want to shift popular opinion about PhDs doing science") instead of the end ("certification training by lab equipment manufacturers")
10:08 < kanzure> *instead of the details
10:09 < delinquentme_> I think I want to make alist of a few of these and put em on HN
10:09 < delinquentme_> I dont see myself running w this idea but I think its usable
10:11 < delinquentme_> maybe a list of life extension inclined startup type ideas
10:14 < rkos> have you heard about the concept of open source ventures?
10:15 < delinquentme_> ^^ noe?
10:15 < delinquentme_> but you saw that post i threw up in here yesterday on the 205 million for big data companies
10:16 < delinquentme_> I've got programming and math !
10:16 < delinquentme_> who wants to be muh friend?!
10:16 < rkos> http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2011/01/the-open-source-venture-project-picture-this.html or http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2009/opencompany basically you have an idea and just crowdsource the labor from the internet
10:17 < kanzure> rkos: also check out bettermeans if you're into that
10:17 < kanzure> frankly i find a lot of the "social ventures" to be dizzying/upsetting to my stomach
10:17 < kanzure> but for some reason i know about them
10:18 < rkos> i havent been following any too closely, but the concept of dilettantes doing science reminded me of it
10:18 < kanzure> honestly, there's tons of people trained on biotech equipment, it's not a limiting factor
10:18 < kanzure> the cost of the equipment tends to be pretty high, so people not in labs usually do not have the equipment
10:19 < delinquentme_> whats the real issue ?
10:19 < kanzure> if you want more lab equipment? well, it's being sold for too much
10:20 < kanzure> nobody should be paying $50k for a thermocycler or ultracentrifuge
10:20 < rkos> sequencing and synthetizing is still pretty expensive for any hobbyist
10:20 < kanzure> yep
10:21 < kanzure> or rather: the capital costs of doing any biotech is still somewhat high
10:22 < kanzure> actually i should clarify that, because it's not true
10:22 < kanzure> if you were to buy things on the open market, the costs are high ;)
10:22 < kanzure> if you're willing to do things on your own the costs drop substantially
10:26 < delinquentme_> true, but not too many people are building sequencers
10:27 < kanzure> becuase i haven't gotten around to showing how yet
10:27 < delinquentme_> haha
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11:16 < delinquentme_> HOWY PEOPLS
11:18 < jrayhawk> HEWWO
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12:06 < delinquentme_> hongrah.
12:06 < delinquentme_> YNOROBOTW FEWD
12:06 < delinquentme_> EFF
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17:21 < joshcryer> delinquentme_, step one, make software to simulate, make and improve hardware. Step two, build hardware on which to run the software to simulate, make, and improve hardware. Step three, demystify the software so that a normal consumer can use it to adequately simulate, create, and improve upon consumer or consumer used items.
17:24 < kanzure> context?
17:24 < joshcryer> <delinquentme> because it gets to the point of complexity where it might as well BE magic to some people
17:24 < joshcryer> The whole exchange from earlier about training and ... slow science (not sure what that meant).
17:25 < kanzure> yeah me either
17:25 < joshcryer> imo the limiting factor is tools, s'all.
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17:30 < delinquentme_> oh i thought that was in reply to the sandwich robot
17:31 < delinquentme_> joshcryer, kanzure distilling it down to say there is one bottleneck
17:31 < delinquentme_> over simplification
17:31 < delinquentme_> realize that this is a *system* we're talking about
17:32 < delinquentme_> with economics in all of its majesty is involved
17:32 < kanzure> what am i doing?
17:32 < kanzure> i don't even know what you're trying to talk abuot
17:32 < kanzure> i just see lots of broad topics crammed together :(
17:32 < delinquentme_> more talent = better markets
17:33 < joshcryer> I have a sense this is a long term observation that's based upon an opinion delinquentme_ has formed. I haven't read logs or been here in almost a year though so I have no idea.
17:33 < delinquentme_> one part of the earlier discussion worked off an attempt to demistify
17:33 < joshcryer> Demystyfication is just a front end and programmers wouldn't do the lions share of it, that's a job for designers.
17:34 < delinquentme_> joshcryer, a long term opinion as opposed to ?
17:35 < delinquentme_> nm
17:36 < joshcryer> delinquentme_, the bit about experts, say, you think experts are being touted and that can bias your opinion. Maybe experts aren't touted so much, I mean, look at open source and I come across quite a diverse field of individuals, from corporate lackeys to high schoolers.
17:37 < delinquentme_> joshcryer, i think what I was after is a nice easy way to STFU old men researchers who want everyone to do it the way they did it
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17:37 < delinquentme_> this is where psychology and faggotry begin to slow science
17:37 < joshcryer> Sure, some fields may have special cases, but that's only because there's no penetration there as far as the open source community is concerned.
17:37 < kanzure> delinquentme_: that's not what you do - you invite them to be on "your" 'board of advisors'
17:38 < kanzure> instead of telling them to stfu.
17:38 < delinquentme_> but I think more importantly money INTO science will help this
17:38 < delinquentme_> kanzure, i like it haha
17:38 < delinquentme_> bc then its not an affront
17:38 < delinquentme_> funkin smart
17:38 < joshcryer> Only if they aren't paid. :P
17:39 < delinquentme_> ^
17:44 < foucist> ....
17:45 < joshcryer> I'm itching to kind of bash the Singularity Institute right now. :P
17:46 < kanzure> joshcryer: go for it
17:47 < joshcryer> They held a lot of summits!
17:48 < kanzure> don't forget! tomorrow is goertzel day
17:49 < kanzure> :/
17:50 < joshcryer> Oh god.
17:51 < joshcryer> Let's make more websites.
17:51 < kanzure> with buttons?
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18:09 < Steel2> I can't connect with my normal client :-/
18:21 < foucist> #firstworldproblems
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18:39 < kanzure> yashgaroth: hi
18:39 < yashgaroth> hello
18:47 < foucist> ahh yess, the latest smbc ftw.. http://www.smbc-comics.com/
18:48 < yottabit> my problem solving abilities have seemed to deminished since starting back to school
18:48 < yottabit> has anyone else experienced this?
18:48 < yottabit> i'm not sure if it's specifically school or stress from so many commitments outside of school
18:51 < foucist> yottabit: get 9 hours of sleep every night to unlock your inner genius
18:52 < yottabit> prior to this stupid schedule imposed by school, that's what i normally received
18:52 < foucist> go to bed earlier? :P
18:52 < yottabit> i have to trazodone to knock myself out
18:52 < yottabit> guess i could get some sleep, that's probably the problem today
18:53 < foucist> yottabit: how about some modafinil
18:53 < yottabit> god would i love some
18:54 < yottabit> i have this problem with vyvanse... it makes me concentrate on whatever sparks my interest
18:54 < yottabit> not really on what i should be working on :)
18:55  * yottabit is trying guanfacine again and reducing his exercising
18:55 < yottabit> guanfacine previously made my head ache while jogging
18:56 < yottabit> so i quit taking it, but since i haven't exercised in ~month, might as well give it a go again
18:56  * yottabit is sick of school
18:56  * yottabit high fives foucist and sleeps
18:58 < joshcryer> Trazodone makes my heart race.
18:59 < joshcryer> (Which has the side effect of keeping me wide awake.)
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19:50 < delinquentme_> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-talk-google-privacy-0301-20120229-16,0,2046369.story
19:51 < delinquentme_> google history and youtube stuff
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20:06 < delinquentme_> ^^ howdy eudoxia
20:07 < delinquentme_> joshcryer, do you exercise often?
20:07 < delinquentme_> lol random I know ... im looking for a very specific side effect which I've not been able to get for a while
20:07 < eudoxia> привет delinquentme
20:07 < delinquentme_> lol
20:08 < eudoxia> I think I'm using 'yo' too much so yeah
20:08 < yashgaroth> may I recommend "'sup"
20:09 < eudoxia> noted
20:14 < foucist> yo yo homies
20:14 < joshcryer> delinquentme_, an hour a day.
20:14 < foucist> i mix it up with yo, hola, sup
20:14 < foucist> too many sups is just as bad
20:14 < joshcryer> And I do a 6 mile run every weekend.
20:14 < joshcryer> A 6 mile sprint even.
20:14 < foucist> but you gotta personalize the 'yo' otherwise it's kinda rude
20:14 < yashgaroth> also you can't use sup sup, unlike most other short greetings
20:14 < delinquentme_> i want the head throb ...
20:14 < eudoxia> I liked yashgaroth's "guten tag bro"
20:14 < joshcryer> delinquentme_, what kind of side effect?
20:15 < kanzure> naturally i recommend yashgaroth's exercise program (fucking up yer myocytes)
20:15 < foucist> joshcryer: i want to get into 8x100m sprints, or better
20:15 < yashgaroth> oh hey kanzure I threw up the outline for that on Steel's forum
20:15 < yashgaroth> not ab-punching, the myostatin thing
20:15 < delinquentme_> its the only way I can think to describe it .. i *THINK* i've gotten it from really intense exercise but but its b een a while since I've had it
20:15 < kanzure> yashgaroth: link
20:16 < yashgaroth> http://transhumani.com/topic61.html
20:16 < kanzure> ah so that's his forum
20:16 < joshcryer> foucist, I can do my 6 mile sprint in about 35 minutes. Trying to get it under 30 minutes. And I'm at altitude.
20:16 < joshcryer> delinquentme_, that's a bad side effect to want to get, imo.
20:17 < foucist> joshcryer: do you have a sprinter's build or a marathoner's ?
20:17 < yashgaroth> sounds more like dehydration than anything else
20:17 < delinquentme_> joshcryer, really?
20:17 < delinquentme_> like its not throbbing but that feeling that my brains b een flushed through
20:17 < delinquentme_> i feel really attuned w that specific mild pain idk
20:18 < delinquentme_> makes me feel quite alert
20:18 < delinquentme_> want moar
20:18 < joshcryer> foucist, more closer to a marathoners, I have major endurance. I do p90x as my primary exercise regime, but I sprint to burn fat. It's possibly the highest fat burning thing you can possibly do.
20:18 < kanzure> yashgaroth: this wasn't the writeup that i was hoping for
20:18 < kanzure> or that i thought you said you'd do
20:18 < yashgaroth> like, the gene I chose, or something else
20:19 < kanzure> well, i guess you cover the details
20:19 < kanzure> but including a budget is also important
20:19 < yashgaroth> man, money is like, a creation of, like...stuff, and stuff
20:20 < kanzure> probably
20:20 < joshcryer> Down with money.
20:20 < joshcryer> :P
20:20 < yashgaroth> I can work something up, but it depends whether I count equipment available at my current lab, etc
20:20 < kanzure> yashgaroth: don't count it
20:21 < kanzure> some of it is not fair to count ("Oh and i also happen to have this magical $50,000 hplc at my disposal, so fuck you")
20:21 < kanzure> and some things are obv. easier to build than others
20:22 < yashgaroth> well that is the most expensive part, but there's old pharmacia machines on ebay that I could maybe work with
20:22 < kanzure> also if you could be bothered, including a few sentences about testing/verification along the way
20:22 < kanzure> testing whether or not your plasmid is correct is easy (sequencing) but there's also other verification methods
20:22 < kanzure> plus testing whether or not your electroporator is deadly is a relatively easy task
20:22 < yashgaroth> I've got an arm to spare
20:22 < kanzure> but effective electroporation will probably require animal testing?
20:23 < kanzure> or at last some equivalent cell culture
20:23 < yashgaroth> the parameters are different enough in mice and humans (or cell culture) that there's not too much I could do, aside from function testing
20:23 < yashgaroth> certainly won't be able to optimize it too well
20:23 < kanzure> right
20:25 < yashgaroth> anyway I'm trusting that thomasegi knows enough EE to not get me killed with the electroporator
20:25 < kanzure> on an unrelated note is there a name for a virus that encodes a special 2nd-generation genome? i.e. after penetrating a cell it would create only capsids based on this particular region in its genome
20:27 < yashgaroth> nah, just 'engineered'; all viral vectors do something like that, though they don't normally express a capsid
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20:29 < yashgaroth> depends how tricky you want to get, like several possible capsid proteins depending on the cell type it infects, etc
20:35 < kanzure> eh, just things like "well, the first one should get it to the right cell type, the second one should increase the infection rate" etc.
20:39 < yashgaroth> no one's really tried anything like that, though it is possible, especially with viruses that carry two genome copies
20:41 < delinquentme_> cbut effective electroporation will probably require animal testing?
20:41 < delinquentme_> ^^ cant you just grow on antibiotic agar?
20:41 < yashgaroth> there's a number of papers out already on various electroporation techniques
20:41 < yashgaroth> ^you mean the viruses? no
20:42 < delinquentme_> ohh you're testing viral uptake
20:43 < yashgaroth> I think he wants to do most of the viral production in the target's body, rather than growing/purifying a large quantity separately
20:49 < delinquentme_> this is not the oligos you're talking about
20:49 < yashgaroth> naw
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20:56 < kanzure> http://www.wallix.org/2012/02/29/pylogsparser-visualizing-ssh-attacks-in-video/
20:57 < delinquentme_> whats the project??
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21:34 < Stee|> hello marainen
21:44 < delinquentme_> MD5s can be generated off of any type of data correct?
22:02 < joshcryer> yes
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22:57 < delinquentme_> http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/
23:08 < joshcryer> You'd think screens by then wouldn't have a percetable lag.
23:09 < joshcryer> At the bare minimum, replaced in post by AR.
23:11 < joshcryer> Is this the tranhumanists' John Galt?
23:11 < yashgaroth> no, that'd be yulani
23:12 < joshcryer> I see a cupcake maker on YouTube.
23:12 < joshcryer> I could get behind that.
23:12 < yashgaroth> oops yutani well whatever
23:12 < joshcryer> Haha
23:13 < joshcryer> I didn't actually think to search for "Weyland."
23:14 < yashgaroth> I didn't even know it was related to the alien series but as soon as he said weyland I was like "ohh" since I watched it embedded
23:14 < joshcryer> Why weren't the people in Alien's cybernetic then?
23:14 < joshcryer> I'd somehow overlooked that Weyland had anything to do with Aliens.
23:16 < yashgaroth> well one of them was an android, but if they all were, then the plot wouldn't really be able to develop
23:17 < joshcryer> Ash was a crappy android, this guy makes it sound like they achieved immortality. :P
23:20 < joshcryer> And I was secretly hoping for him to say "I am Ray Kurzweil."
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23:51 < foucist> I am Jay Kurzweil
23:52 < foucist> I'm not as concerned about the gray goo problem!
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