--- Log opened Sat Mar 17 00:00:13 2012
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00:00 < rdb> biofuel cell, eh?
00:00 < Steel3> yeah
00:00 < Steel3> wondering how hard it would be to put in a human
00:01 < rdb> in other words, catch a bunch of snails outside and stick electrodes in them? :-p
00:01 < Steel3> was thinking more stick it in you :P
00:02 < rdb> I think you'd need a pretty big implant, or multiple connected ones, if you want to get a meaningful current out of you
00:02 < Steel3> only would have to do a proof of concept
00:02 < rdb> not sure if this'd scale down to a very localised set of electrodes
00:03 < rdb> then again I don't know exactly how this works
00:03 < rdb> biology isn't my strong side
00:04 < Steel3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroperitoneal_space yeah, no good way to diy this surgery...
00:04 < rdb> eek
00:05 < rdb> I'll stick to thermistors in my upper arm first
00:07 < yashgaroth> wait why are you doing surgery on your abdomen? for that snail thing?
00:07 < kanzure> http://museumvictoria.com.au/pages/7003/MVLiveSquidDissection.wmv
00:07 < kanzure> mark norman dissection of a giant squid
00:07 < kanzure> 400 MB (60 minutes)
00:08 < kanzure> highlights: http://museumvictoria.com.au/learning-federation/video-temp/public-dissection-of-giant-squid-video/
00:08 < kanzure> "... There's things down there where their entire bodies are made of snot, they've got detachable heads, their teeth fall out, they explode and they eat their snot jackets. ... There is just weird things going on everywhere. ..." Dr Mark Norman
00:08 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3716543
00:08 < Steel3> yashgaroth: was basically saying that  playing with biofuel cells would be cool
00:08 < kanzure> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/17/2307028.htm
00:08 < Steel3> but the surgery is too risky/invasive
00:09 < yashgaroth> is there a reason you necessarily need it in that location?
00:10 < Steel3> you need it wherever a lot of glucose passes through I think?
00:10 < yashgaroth> that's anywhere in the blood
00:10 < Steel3> I'd need to read the paper
00:10 < yashgaroth> liver might have slightly more, but not enough to be worth surgerizing
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00:20 < katsmeow-afk> wasn't someone trying to do that in human trials to power insulin pumps and such?
00:20 < katsmeow-afk> i think they all gave up
00:20 < katsmeow-afk> clotting is bad for business
00:21 < katsmeow-afk> altho, you know, your mileage may vary
00:23 < Steel3> don't think they used these cells
00:23 < Steel3> they haven't been human tested yet
00:23  * katsmeow-afk nods
00:23 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno more, twas maybe 2 decades ago, obsolete now
00:24 < rdb> anyone ever experimented with implants that release chemicals into the body in some fashion?
00:25 < katsmeow-afk> there's several versions of implantable pumps, none are diy, afaik
00:25 < katsmeow-afk> i take various pills that leak chemicals into my body,, or else this is a pretty good virtual reality i am stuck in
00:26 < yashgaroth> rdb, I'm guessing you don't mean a norplant
00:26 < rdb> yeah, SR pills is an option, but it's still less controlled
00:27 < katsmeow-afk> i cannot help but think norplants are wildly inaccurate doses
00:27 < rdb> norplant is not what I had in mind
00:27 < yashgaroth> sure, but for a first-gen tech it's pretty effective
00:28 < katsmeow-afk> so is depoprovera, i hear, it's a semi-slow-absorb oil, iirc
00:30 < rdb> I hadn't heard of norplant before though, so thanks for bringing it up
00:30 < katsmeow-afk> it's been around 20 yrs, i think
00:31 < katsmeow-afk> this might help, i dunno : http://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22slow+release+implant%22
00:33 < katsmeow-afk> this smells like norplant : Implanon – The Implanon Contraceptive Implant
00:35 < katsmeow-afk> Mirena is a soft, flexible IUD that releases small amounts of hormone
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00:36 < katsmeow-afk> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=implant+%22controlled+release%22
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00:37 < katsmeow-afk> jeese, they are releasing lots of stuff nowadays
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00:41 < Steel3> zacharycohn, what is up
00:41 < zacharycohn> hi Steel3
00:42 < zacharycohn> how's it going?
00:42 < Steel3> have we talked before
00:42 < zacharycohn> i think we exchanged a few lines
00:42 < Steel3> okay :)
00:42 < Steel3> working on anything cool atm?
00:45 < zacharycohn> Steel3: I have way too many projects
00:45 < zacharycohn> I idle on this channel to learn passively about some biotech stuff for a project I want to start sometime next fall, probably.
00:45 < zacharycohn> in the mean time
00:46 < zacharycohn> My next big project is going to be a campaign to "reclaim advertising space" with extremely non-commercial things
00:46 < zacharycohn> example: Buying a billboard and putting Nyancat on it
00:47 < zacharycohn> or buying a 30 second commercial spot on TV/movie theaters and just having a video of someone staring blankly and somewhat creepily back at the audience
00:47 < zacharycohn> The goal with the content is to have something so weird and out there that people see it and think "Who the FUCK paid money for that and WHY"
00:47 < Steel3> that's pretty cool
00:47 < Steel3> just spare cash?
00:48 < zacharycohn> going to crowdfund it
00:48 < zacharycohn> one of my hobbies is doing things that cause a bit of mystery in other people's lives
00:48 < zacharycohn> example: http://www.zaccohn.com/2010/03/new-mission-guerrilla-compliments/
00:49 < zacharycohn> I would hide stickynotes with compliments in places. People would find them hours, days, weeks, years later and have A) no idea who put it there, B) when it was put there, or C) why it was put there.
00:49 < zacharycohn> No way to trace it back to my project
00:49 < zacharycohn> or to me
00:49 < zacharycohn> and so maybe they'd spend a few minutes that day thinking about it
00:49 < zacharycohn> and it would make their day more interesting
00:49 < zacharycohn> because too many people have boring days.
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00:54 < A-Lusion> Anything interesting lately ? @_@
00:54 < zacharycohn> yeah, i just posted a bunch
00:54 < zacharycohn> you missed it, sorry. :p
00:54 < A-Lusion> D:
00:54 < A-Lusion> Tell me something neat then
00:55 < katsmeow-afk> i just saw a video of a chair that walks away from anyone trying to sit on it
00:55 < A-Lusion> that is interesting
00:55 < Steel3> http://transhumani.com/topic68.html some general day-to-day news I repost
00:55 < Steel3> in case you aren't rss feeding everything
00:56 < kanzure> how about you paste it in here
00:56 < kanzure> instead of linking away
00:56 < Steel3> what, the news as I find it?
00:56 < Steel3> or each link I have in that thread
00:56 < kanzure> does it matter?
00:56 < A-Lusion> ahhh graphene news
00:57 < Steel3> kanzure: yes? the forum topic has a sense of permanence to it for people who aren't around when I post
00:57 < kanzure> Steel3: go away
00:57 < A-Lusion> Have you guys heard about the lens being developed to bring nano microscopy to smartphones ?
00:57  * kanzure watches a giant squid
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00:59 < Steel3> not going away :P
01:00 < A-Lusion> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/table-salt-sodium-chloride-18tb-hdd-10-nm,13728.html
01:00 < A-Lusion> This is an interesting article :I
01:01 < A-Lusion> table salt being used for the next gen of hard drives
01:01 < Steel3> wonder how many atoms/bit that is
01:05 < A-Lusion> next gen computer hardware is coming out soon :3
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01:09 < A-Lusion> ah well my eyes are bleeding
01:09 < A-Lusion> gnite
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04:51 < Vicarious> hi
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08:15 < kanzure> A unique advantage for giant eyes in giant squid http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982212001820
08:15 < kanzure> "Giant and colossal deep-sea squid (Architeuthis and Mesonychoteuthis) have the largest eyes in the animal kingdom [ [1] and [2]], but there is no explanation for why they would need eyes that are nearly three times the diameter of those of any other extant animal."
08:15 < kanzure> "Here we develop a theory for visual detection in pelagic habitats, which predicts that such giant eyes are unlikely to evolve for detecting mates or prey at long distance but are instead uniquely suited for detecting very large predators, such as sperm whales."
08:15 < kanzure> "We also provide photographic documentation of an eyeball of about 27 cm with a 9 cm pupil in a giant squid, and we predict that, below 600 m depth, it would allow detection of sperm whales at distances exceeding 120 m. With this long range of vision, giant squid get an early warning of approaching sperm whales."
08:16 < kanzure> that does not sound like a ball
08:17 < kanzure> size comparison and image of their lense http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17365736
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09:23 < delinquentme> yeahh nice!
09:27 < kanzure> hi Jaakko96
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09:27 < Jaakko96> hay
09:50 < delinquentme> faraday cages would isolate magnetism right?
09:50 < delinquentme> electromagnetic spectrum
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10:09 < kanzure> browser extension idea:
10:09 < kanzure> replace imperial units with metric units :/
10:09 < kanzure> because damn.
10:09 < delinquentme> http://www.doctortipster.com/6350-french-scientists-restored-the-youth-of-100-years-old-cells.html
10:10 < delinquentme> Since this process was not possible through clasic preparation based on four genetic factors (OCT4, Sox2, Myc and KLF4 C), they added two more (NANOG and LIN28).
10:11 < kanzure> isn't oct4, sox, klf, myc, nanog lin28 the ingredients to switch a cell into pluripotency
10:11 < kanzure> yep.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell#Genes_of_induction
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10:14 < delinquentme> kanzure: do you have a repo of prototyped equipment?
10:14 < delinquentme> specifically im looking for examples of how people assemble makerbot type joints ... and just looking to eye through a bunch of prototyped frames
10:15 < kanzure> try #reprap
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11:19 < kanzure> http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2012/03/the_doomsday_clock_from_the_bulletin_of_atomic_scientists_tackles_biotechnology_.html
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12:59 < archels> http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2012/03/the_doomsday_clock_from_the_bulletin_of_atomic_scientists_tackles_biotechnology_.html
12:59 < katsmeow-afk> kansure said the same thing!
13:01 < archels> ack
13:01 < archels> thank you Eugen
13:05 < katsmeow-afk> Eugen ?
13:35 < jrayhawk> was that a tcp "ack" or a cathy "ack"
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15:17 < Vicarious> hi
15:17 < Urchin> hi
15:18 < Urchin> connection dropped
15:19 < Vicarious> ok, wb
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18:29 < Steel3> what's up all
18:31 < Steel3> hmm
18:32 < Steel3> interesting, most people in here are only on this one channel
18:32 < nathaniel> Steel3 that's how freenode whoises work
18:32 < Steel3> welp, I'm dumb then :P
18:33 < nathaniel> naw, it didn't used to be that way
18:33 < nathaniel> the whois peculiarity, not your dumbness :3
18:33 < Steel3> heh
18:33 < Steel3> I wanted some demographic data/scan for other interesting channels
18:34 < nathaniel> you could use a client with a good /list organizer and search for things by topic/channel size
18:34 < Steel3> eh, was curious about social stuff too
18:34 < Steel3> for instance, I know a few people here are from biohack
18:34 < Steel3> and some more are in reprap
18:34 < Steel3> etc.
18:34 < nathaniel> freenode has no emotions. we are pure. we are freenode.
18:35 < nathaniel> on topic of kline.
18:35 < nathaniel> *or
18:45 < katsmeow> i suspect you'd need a cline to do a /list and then join all the interesting channel, do a //who # , then tally the matching nicks/addys in a db
18:45 < katsmeow> if everyone did this, it would prolly bring freenode to a crawl
18:45 < katsmeow> err, cline - client
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19:03 < kanzure> Steel3: you would have to just ask us for the other channels that we use
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19:04 < Steel3> asking like 30 people, most of whom are afk...eh, was easier to just do a /whois (though obv, didn't work)
19:04 < Steel3> more like 42
19:04 < kanzure> #reprap #diybio #biohack #biopunk #linuxcnc #brlcad #startups #biology ##neuroscience ##bioinformatics ##chemistry ##python #RubyOnRails #django #jquery #javascript #svg #ai
19:04 < Steel3> I don't care that much *yet
19:04 < kanzure> #homecmos
19:05 < AdrianG> anyone tried donepezil
19:05 < kanzure> #reddit-nootropics
19:07 < AdrianG> well, its hardly a nootropic
19:07 < AdrianG> it's rather a very diluted form of known poison.
19:09 < Steel3> one of my buddies keeps trying to get me to take lsd as a noot
19:09 < Steel3> lol
19:15 < katsmeow> now see, if you do a //who # in all the rooms kanzure listed, you'd get a reply like "~kanzure@131.252.130.248 :0 Bryan Bishop" , and in your db you'd add the channel name to that entry,, repeat for each entry, for each of the 11,212 channels on freenode, taking you ~3hrs at one channel/sec, making your data possibly obsolete
19:22 < delinquentme> serious question: why doesnt the richard dawkins foundation work on life extension
19:22 < delinquentme> like if we assume that the fundimental crux religion provides is "life eternal"
19:22 < delinquentme> then wouldn't it follow that if you want to promote knowledge
19:22 < nathaniel> not really meta enough for them
19:22 < delinquentme> that you'd go after that fundamental need?
19:23 < delinquentme> nathaniel, can i get that said another way?
19:23 < katsmeow> that = "this" , but over "there"
19:23 < nathaniel> when you're trying to optimize how your foundation embodies your values
19:24 < nathaniel> it can manifest itself as evangelism
19:24 < delinquentme> nathaniel, still lost
19:24 < katsmeow> well, if you repeat it rapturously, sure
19:24 < nathaniel> in which case, you've totally abstracted yourself (vis a vis, meta) from the actual goals which you hope to achieve
19:24 < nathaniel> simply because you have a shit ton of goals
19:24 < nathaniel> which is fine
19:24 < Steel3> better question
19:25 < delinquentme> katsmeow, i've found an example layout for the linear encoder im futzing with!
19:25 < Steel3> why the shit didn't steve jobs invest in cryo?
19:25 < delinquentme> Steel2, because he was like
19:25 < delinquentme> BUDDHA
19:25 < delinquentme> idk
19:25 < delinquentme> wasn't smert
19:25 < katsmeow> an example layout that's not like a printer?
19:25 < delinquentme> nathaniel, sorry im getting lost in your choice of vocabulary
19:25 < Steel3> dude was an atheist
19:25 < delinquentme> simplicity is a virtue
19:25 < nathaniel> hey now
19:25 < delinquentme> yeah http://store.makerbot.com/magnetic-linear-encoder-v1-2-kit.html
19:25 < delinquentme> for this guy
19:26 < nathaniel> narrowness is a virtue, too
19:26 < delinquentme> nathaniel, haha i just get the feeling we've not actually talked about anything pertaining to the "why not LEV"
19:26 < yashgaroth> buddhists are atheists
19:26 < Steel3> I'm so confused
19:26 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, arent they into the reincarnation?
19:26 < Steel3> yashgaroth: Some of them
19:27 < yashgaroth> sure, but not deities
19:27 < Steel3> depends on branch
19:27 < delinquentme> < modified buddhist
19:27 < yashgaroth> just sayin', buddhism doesn't preclude atheism
19:27 < katsmeow> delinquentme, you can prolly get an analog Hall effect sensor 10x cheaper
19:27 < yashgaroth> and vice versa
19:27 < delinquentme> katsmeow, true but that comes pre mounted and has an awesome resolution
19:27 < Steel3> mahayana buddhism has a lot more supernaturalism than zen buddhism
19:27 < katsmeow> ok
19:28 < delinquentme> like is 15 micron a typical hall sensor resolution?
19:28 < nathaniel> delinquentme I get the feeling that we have. :(
19:28 < nathaniel> delinquentme perhaps you should ask them.
19:28 < katsmeow> with the magnetic strip , prolly
19:29 < delinquentme> i have nathaniel haha no reply
19:29 < delinquentme> asked twice
19:29 < delinquentme> i think its the normal athiest thing of "i dont want to *DO* something.. i just want to be right"
19:30 < delinquentme> http://objects.reprap.org/mediawiki/images/c/c1/Disp-assembled.jpg
19:30 < delinquentme> that spring retainer
19:30 < delinquentme> brilliant
19:30 < katsmeow> for instance, you could get a digital dial caliper, be fairly immune to random wandering magnetig fields, and have a resolution of .001 easily
19:31 < delinquentme> ohh yeah rue showed me something like that
19:31 < nathaniel> well, delinquentme, whatever RD's method is, it worked on me once upon a time.
19:31 < nathaniel> and, years later, I'm here. bona fide transhumanist.
19:31 < delinquentme> to convert you  nathaniel ?
19:31 < delinquentme> cheers!
19:31 < delinquentme> like hes qondeeloquentrfully
19:31 < delinquentme> wonderfully eloquent**
19:31 < nathaniel> so I presume that's the point.
19:31 < delinquentme> unlike my typing
19:32 < delinquentme> but like .. hes an evo biologist
19:32 < delinquentme> surely theres more good than arguing with people in psychological denial
19:32 < nathaniel> perhaps, perhaps not.
19:33 < delinquentme> like its a needed fundamental belief ... I dont think anyone has ever been convinced via external source ( versus simply coming to it by ones own research ) that religion is ehh
19:33 < delinquentme> like i dont think hes converting people
19:33 < delinquentme> what would convert them?
19:33 < delinquentme> removing the needed crutch
19:34 < nathaniel> the crutch is often just the fact that people are unable to look outside their own community, not necessarily their own beliefs. who wants to jump off a cliff unless there's a trampoline at the bottom?
19:34 < katsmeow> most religion has dogmas and politics, heierarchies of the players, required motions and functions for groveling to them,, ptui
19:35 < delinquentme> IDK
19:35 < nathaniel> delinquentme, when dealing with someone like RD, perhaps you should follow your own advice: "surely theres more good than arguing with people in psychological denial"
19:36 < nathaniel> :3
19:36 < delinquentme> from a psychological standpoint i think it all comes down to death and sex
19:36 < delinquentme> well curiosity is another aspect of that
19:36 < katsmeow> or societal progress and altruism
19:36 < delinquentme> altruism yeah
19:36 < katsmeow> "i helped, therefore i am"
19:36 < delinquentme> iDK things which drive us are very simple
19:37 < delinquentme> death and sex are undeniably 2 things
19:37 < kanzure> are you guys being atheism apologists?
19:37 < kanzure> or what's going on
19:37  * katsmeow looks for dinner
19:37 < delinquentme> but there are things like wonder and curiosity
19:37 < delinquentme> which dont quite fall into those
19:37 < delinquentme> kanzure, im bitching about richard dawkins
19:37 < kanzure> ok.. why :P
19:37 < delinquentme> like hes a brilliant evo biologist
19:37 < kanzure> is he?
19:37 < delinquentme> who does nothing but preach to idiots
19:37 < delinquentme> hes better than I am
19:37 < kanzure> is he?
19:37 < delinquentme> i've emailed them twice
19:37 < nathaniel> when in combination with someone who asserts LEV as top priority, what is curiosity but long-term altruism?
19:37 < Steel3> I don't believe in altruism
19:38 < delinquentme> and have been like " Y U NO LEV"
19:38 < nathaniel> [for very long definitions of 'long']
19:38 < kanzure> delinquentme: you mean, he writes more books than you, and therefore he's "better" than you?
19:38 < delinquentme> in a more indepth and fleshed out way
19:38 < Vicarious> hi
19:38 < delinquentme> kanzure, you're right in what you're getting at ... that possibly i could rival him .. with XYZ upgrades in skills
19:38 < delinquentme> HOWVER
19:38 < delinquentme> HOWEVER.
19:39 < kanzure> i just don't see what you're trying to communicate
19:39 < delinquentme> im really interested to know what they think about ridding death = more converts FROM religion
19:39 < kanzure> are you angry?
19:39 < kanzure> ok why do converts matter?
19:39 < delinquentme> they dont. but!
19:39 < delinquentme> i think thats what hes after
19:39 < kanzure> you haven't even figured it out yet
19:39 < delinquentme> and I say religion is the coping mech for death
19:39 < delinquentme> so remove death
19:39 < delinquentme> and the crutch is no longer needed
19:39 < nathaniel> eh, we're probably going to rid death anyway. let them jump on the bandwagon once there's a finished product.
19:40 < delinquentme> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
19:40 < kanzure> delinquentme: ok so you're angry that religion exists?
19:40 < delinquentme> im angry that we've got a guy in his position whos *not* working on LEV
19:40 < delinquentme> LE**
19:40 < delinquentme> and I think it well aligns with his personal goals
19:40 < nathaniel> well now
19:40 < kanzure> popularity has nothing to do with whether or not you are working on LEV-related projects
19:40 < delinquentme> but i think its harder
19:40 < nathaniel> be angry at a politician or something then.
19:40 < kanzure> i don't see the connection delinquentme
19:40 < nathaniel> that's what everyone else does
19:40 < delinquentme> no but public awareness aingnd he has to know someth
19:40 < delinquentme> GRRR
19:41 < kanzure> no, he doesn't..
19:41 < delinquentme> and he has to know something**
19:41 < delinquentme> perhaps hes working on it in the background and must do so quietly
19:41 < delinquentme> that will b e my coping mechanism
19:41 < kanzure> (i happen to think he does have some amount of knowledge of course; but i don't think he's obligated to just because he's popular)
19:41 < delinquentme> so I can get back to work
19:41 < kanzure> yes i would recommend that
19:41 < delinquentme> =]
19:41 < nathaniel> okay, let's take this back a bit.
19:41 < kanzure> let's not
19:42 < nathaniel> I am going to.
19:42 < nathaniel> you're welcome to stay in the future.
19:42 < kanzure> i will kick you out
19:42 < kanzure> delinquentme was just ranting because he's confused/angry
19:42 < nathaniel> of the future?
19:42 < kanzure> no, i will kick you out of the channel :P
19:42 < nathaniel> for altruism?! D:
19:42 < kanzure> presumably you want to continue some conversation about religion
19:43 < delinquentme> lol
19:43 < kanzure> what? whether or not steel3 believes in it?
19:43 < nathaniel> steel3? I'm talking to delinquent me, right delinquentme?
19:43 < delinquentme> oh come on kanzure dont boot people for talking about this stuff
19:43 < kanzure> delinquentme: it's boring and old
19:43 < delinquentme> obv not if they're talking about it
19:43 < delinquentme> think about the fledgelings
19:43 < delinquentme> they're angry and confused
19:44 < delinquentme> and need a place for that angst
19:44 < kanzure> they should go to the atheism places then
19:44 < kanzure> and the circlejerks
19:44 < delinquentme> disagree
19:44 < delinquentme> bc thats a bad perpetuating habit
19:44 < delinquentme> WE
19:44 < delinquentme> we a healthy and directed
19:44 < Steel3> kanzure: atheism places are not transhumanism places
19:44 < nathaniel> delinquentme, precisely. RDF is trying to be the place for that angst.
19:44 < kanzure> why should i help you guys solve your problems with religion
19:44 < delinquentme> and are stellar examples :D
19:44 < Steel3> we're not asking for your help :)
19:44 < kanzure> i don't want your religious unhealthy crap in here
19:45 < kanzure> sorry
19:45 < delinquentme> =/
19:45 < delinquentme> le sigh
19:45 < kanzure> well, why should i
19:45 < kanzure> this isn't a church
19:45 < kanzure> we're not a rleigion
19:45 < kanzure> *religion
19:45 < delinquentme> kanzure, this is more real than any religion
19:46 < kanzure> delinquentme: religions impact lots of people's lives
19:46 < delinquentme> listen man you've got that option
19:46 < kanzure> how is this more or less real? that doesn't make any sense
19:46 < delinquentme> i disagree
19:46 < delinquentme> but you do what you want to
19:46 < kanzure> like, why should we recruit dawkins to do longevity-related research?
19:47 < kanzure> why not a longevity researcher instead
19:47 < kanzure> or a molecular biology person
19:47 < kanzure> then we can avoid all the religious baggage that he brings
19:49 < nathaniel> because without baggage, we would only board the plane with one set of clothing.
19:50 < delinquentme> IMO religion and the associated emotions can act as real catalysist to doing shit
19:50 < nathaniel> kurzweil's the biggest religious fanatic of them all. I mean, "wake up the universe"?
19:51 < delinquentme> so they can do the atheism circle jerk or they can get fired up and then have us point them in the right direction
19:51 < nathaniel> doesn't mean he's not useful
19:54 < delinquentme> right angle bracket>> awesomely simple solution http://www.mcmaster.com/#angle-brackets/=gpk7jo
20:01 < katsmeow> those have been around in every hardware store in the usa forever, since the start of time
20:14 < delinquentme> yeah haha
20:14 < delinquentme> thats what i mean awesomely simple solution
20:14 < delinquentme> soooo
20:14 < delinquentme> yeah i just realized im trying to stack these pumps
20:14 < delinquentme> fucking magnetic strips will cause issues
20:15 < delinquentme> maybe high res optos are the best options
20:15 < katsmeow> they were the solution to all, now they are fucking, hmm
20:15 < delinquentme> ha
20:15 < delinquentme> well theyre awesome if I only need 1
20:15 < delinquentme> but they're like 2" from each other @ most
20:19 < kanzure> nathaniel: kurzweil isn't really a leader or anything
20:19 < kanzure> i mean, he's just some guy who has lots of publicity
20:19 < kanzure> his books were basically "take everything the extropians have been talking about, coming into ray's inbox, and turn it into a book"
20:20 < kanzure> "plus ray's interpretation"
20:21 < nathaniel> I never suggested leader. I can't stand the guy. :>
20:22 < kanzure> none of us can
20:23 < nathaniel> when de Grey, Yudkowsky, and me merge minds, [we]'ll gladly take his place.
20:23 < nathaniel> fear not.
20:24 < thylane> http://www.kurzweilai.net/
20:24 < thylane> People posting on the forums of that website are quacky --- and not in a funny way
20:24 < thylane>  http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/new-reasons-why-high-level-complex-universes-like-ours-must-be-simulations
20:24 < nathaniel> must? MUST?
20:25 < nathaniel> "event horizon of the Cosmic Singularity's feedback oscillation"
20:25  * nathaniel shudders
20:25 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you should subscribe to the la-grg mailman list
20:25 < kanzure> nathaniel: i don't think yudkowsky is trustable
20:25 < kanzure> *trustworthy
20:26 < yashgaroth> k
20:26 < kanzure> yashgaroth: have you gone to their meetings btw?
20:26 < kanzure> gerontology research group's
20:26 < yashgaroth> nope
20:26 < kanzure> ok.. steve coles and such are in your area
20:26 < kanzure> they have aubrey and lots of really odd niche researchers who do longevity research
20:26 < nathaniel> kanzure oh don't mind me. mind-merging on anything other than a global scale (? la the internet++) doesn't really interest me.
20:27 < kanzure> they are also the same people who do the supercentenarian stats that you hear in the news
20:27 < kanzure> nathaniel: who are you
20:28 < nathaniel> I'm a guy. I hang out in various freenode channels. I write things. I read things. I enjoy good beer and dim lighting. I sleep on the floor.
20:28 < kanzure> uhrm
20:28  * katsmeow sleeps in a large nestbox 2ft off the floor (altho some nest boxes were 6ft off the floor)
20:28 < kanzure> so you're a journo?
20:29 < nathaniel> don't insult me. I'm an academic. :3
20:29 < katsmeow> basically, heat rises, floors are cold
20:30 < nathaniel> katsmeow tatami mats are nice thermal regulators and still count as 'floor', I think
20:30 < kanzure> nathaniel: academic journalist?
20:30 < kanzure> i mean, what do you do though
20:30 < kanzure> are you an electronics person?
20:30 < nathaniel> oh, what do I do... hmm. You mean for money.
20:31 < kanzure> not necessarily for money
20:32 < nathaniel> I've been a php dev recently, but I'm no longer interested in being a code monkey. I'm looking into various research asst positions atm. And I'm a journalist. :P
20:33 < Steel3> who are you a journalist for?
20:33 < Steel3> and what do you want to do research on?
20:34 < nathaniel> the answers to both questions would reveal a certain societal subversity whose revelatory details would be both improper (given the religious topical barriers of this channel) and unwise
20:34 < kanzure> oh good god php :(
20:34 < kanzure> well ok
20:35 < kanzure> nathaniel: programming has much more to offer to your life than php
20:35 < kanzure> there's a life beyond php please don't take it as representative of programming
20:35 < nathaniel> oh come now
20:35 < nathaniel> it's got that grammatical specificity and arbitrariness
20:35 < nathaniel> that gives a language its poetry
20:35 < kanzure> no i mean, presumably you quit and went into journalism
20:36 < kanzure> oh nevermind
20:36 < kanzure> quit and went into theology
20:36 < nathaniel> hah. sure.
20:36 < strangewarp> I dreamt that Slavoj Zizek and I were celebrating Chicken Day by eating fried chicken in a house in the middle of a flood.
20:37 < Steel3> wat.
20:37 < strangewarp> exactly my own reaction
20:37 < kanzure> it's spelled wut
20:38 < JayDugger1> Good evening, everyone.
20:38 < Steel3> wat is a valid dialect :P
20:38 < Steel3> hey jay
20:40 < JayDugger1> Hello, Steel. How fare your abdominal muscles?
20:41 < katsmeow> wut
20:41 < Steel3> sore
20:41 < Steel3> getting stronger
20:41 < JayDugger1> Excellent!
20:41 < Steel3> not quite at platemail protection levels :P
20:42 < JayDugger1> I thought about trying the exercise, but I lack the strength for it.
20:42 < JayDugger1> That looks hard, and my one failed attempt makes me think it even harder than it looks.
20:43 < strangewarp> Is this that dragon-flag thing?
20:43 < JayDugger1> Yes.
20:44 < strangewarp> Pretty darn hardcore
20:44 < Steel2> my other irc froze
20:44 < Steel2> I tried the 300 workout last weekend and chose poorly in pre-workout nutrition
20:44 < thylane> In another channel, I am arguing that  we cannot assume   constant  tendency  in evolution towards higher intelligence.  And yet all over the comment section on  Kurzweil.net,   this is just assumed as some sort of unquestioned axiom
20:45 < Steel2> well
20:45 < Steel2> the tradeoff has to be worth the increased energy needs
20:46 < kanzure> thylane: intelligence is bogus anyway
20:46 < katsmeow> i put forth that natural selection is no longer working
20:46 < kanzure> nobody can point to "intelligence" in the brain
20:46 < Steel2> it selects for other stuff katsmeow
20:46 < katsmeow> what is "it" steel?
20:46 < thylane> kanzure   Well I definitely think what you are pointing  out  is  a strong argument against "AGI"
20:47 < kanzure> thylane: that only humans can have a brain?
20:47 < Steel2> sorry, natural selection selects for survival of the fittest (theoretically)
20:47 < sylph_mako> there is no "it", that's an odd corner of english linguistics.
20:47 < thylane> I mean, after all,  there is no such thing as  "General INtelligence" because there is no such animal as  "general environment"
20:47 < Steel2> 'fittest' is changing
20:47 < kanzure> Steel2: well, survival of the *fit*
20:47 < kanzure> not the fittest
20:47 < kanzure> fittestest
20:47 < Steel2> everything above a cutoff line then
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20:47 < katsmeow> but not intelligence, as social programs and warning lables are selecting for stupidity now
20:47 < kanzure> Steel2: yes... that cutoff line is fit :)
20:47 < kanzure> fitness
20:47 < kanzure> right?
20:47 < Steel2> or fit is the cutoff line
20:47 < Steel2> semantics
20:48 < kanzure> katsmeow: what, intelligent design?
20:48 < katsmeow> no, steel's natural selection forces,
20:48 < kanzure> thylane: i think the human brain does something interesting, and that computers will be abl to do "a human brain" better than humans
20:48 < kanzure> intelligence has never been a natural selection force
20:48 < kanzure> what?
20:48 < katsmeow> and whatever evolution thylane mentioned
20:49 < katsmeow> i never said intelligence was a natural selection force
20:49 < thylane> A constant  arrow  in time  from amphibian to intelligent hominid is not gauranteed in evolution. It cannot be assumed to be true.    I mean after all,  ants and cockroaches appear to be the masters of the biosphere, if you want to get down to numbers
20:49 < kanzure> "masters"?
20:50 < kanzure> what defines masterhood
20:50 < katsmeow> quality over quantity
20:50 < kanzure> quality in what direction
20:50 < kanzure> or what measurement.. er.. what?
20:50 < thylane> masterhood   either means  they dominate the biomass of the rainforest,   and/or   they will survive a nuclear ice age just fine.
20:50 < kanzure> thylane: sure but someone will argue that humans can burn the forests down easily
20:51 < katsmeow> well, in an ice age, neanderthals may have been able to brute force survive due to some caloric intake, but smarter hominids could relax in a cave with a fireplace
20:53 < sylph_mako> Life's approach to sustaining existence is so circuitous and silly. Carbon atoms know where it's at. Motherfuckers don't even need energy.
20:53 < thylane> katsmeow  I was assuming  somethng rather more catastrophic with the atmosphere than things just getting really cold.
20:54 < thylane> Something that would spell the end to humans as there would be no air
20:54 < thylane> cockroaches will make it through however
20:54 < katsmeow> no air means the roaches and termites die too
20:55 < thylane> I don't mean no atmosphere-- I mean  no  atmosphere capable of  sustaining the huge intake needs of the human lungs
20:55 < katsmeow> ah, where "no" = "some"
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21:08 < thylane> a quick change in the composition of the atmosphere--- too much or too little oxygen --- kiss your happy homo sapiens goodbye
21:09 < kanzure> what happened to that article about larger bugs due to more oxygen
21:09 < kanzure> aha
21:09 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Plastic%20and%20evolved%20responses%20of%20larval%20tracheae%20and%20mass%20to%20varying%20atmospheric%20oxygen%20content%20in%20Drosophila%20melanogaster.pdf
21:09 < kanzure> that was a good one :3
21:09 < Steel2> kanz, I know someone working on breeding silkworms in high oxygen environments
21:10  * katsmeow isn't so enthralled with life anyhow <shrug>
21:10 < Steel2> *for fun
21:10 < kanzure> how many generations is he into
21:10 < Steel2> he's just starting
21:11 < Steel2> I think he said it's like 2 gens a year
21:13 < kanzure> http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2012/03/12/how-spanx-became-a-billion-dollar-business-without-advertising/
21:13 < kanzure> "Blakely, 41, grew her undergarment empire without any outside investment, debt, or even a cent spent on traditional advertising: no magazine spends, no TV spots, no billboard buys."
21:13 < katsmeow> wierd
21:13 < kanzure> '“We had to spend money only on things that make money and advertising was  esoteric. You couldn’t really measure the return you were going to get so we didn’t do it.'
21:13 < kanzure> i kept reading it as spanks until i realized that this is span-ex
21:14 < katsmeow> what?
21:14 < kanzure> span-ex is a popular product.. "Spanks" sounds like a bad name for a porn magazine
21:15 < kanzure> "x" is sometimes "ecks" or "ks" (so you can see how "spanx" => "spancks" or "spanks")
21:15 < katsmeow> but the name of the article plainly says "spanx", the underwear
21:16 < kanzure> yes because i've never seen "span-ex" written down as "spanx"
21:16 < kanzure> in fact, i have never seen spanx written before (only heard aloud)
21:16 < Steel2> yashgaroth: 'Ask me about being a Transhumanist' on SA. bad idea or worst idea?
21:16 < yashgaroth> I think the last one got 1-voted p. quick
21:16 < kanzure> "I lie, cheat and steal users from everywhere"
21:17 < Steel2> yeah, SA also follows a very, uh
21:17 < Steel2> lit-crit/STS studies view on science
21:17 < Steel2> 'furthering the goals of capitalist pigs' etc. etc.
21:17 < kanzure> Steel2: do you know about the basement dwelling goon?
21:17 < Steel2> I know a lot about stereotypes :P
21:17 < kanzure> no i mean THE basement dwelling goon
21:17 < yashgaroth> we're not all like that
21:18 < kanzure> it turns out it's jrayhawk
21:18 < kanzure> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2537734&userid=79027
21:18 < kanzure> jrayhawk: aarrgh those links are broken
21:18 < katsmeow> i was thinking fenn
21:18 < Steel2> none of these pics still work
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21:19 < Steel2> site's down kanz
21:19 < yashgaroth> oh god fyad
21:20 < kanzure> fenn is not a goon
21:20 < kanzure> in fact i'm not even a goon
21:20 < Steel2> yashgaroth and I am
21:20 < kanzure> why am i not a goon?
21:20 -!- Replop [~Gwen@ASte-Genev-Bois-154-1-104-48.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:20 < kanzure> hi Thorbinator_
21:20 < kanzure> hi Replop
21:20 < Replop> hi Thorbinator_ & kanzure
21:20 < Thorbinator_> sup
21:20 < Replop> '
21:20 < kanzure> what brings you here?
21:20 < kanzure> smells like a person i bet
21:21 < Thorbinator_> this is the my little pony channel right?
21:21 < Steel2> my fault, I didn't ask for this.
21:21 < Thorbinator_> :P
21:21 < kanzure> yeah this is the my little pony channel
21:21 < kanzure> wait, no
21:21 < kanzure> that's #lesswrong
21:21 < Replop> heard about potentially interesting discussions ; saw the light, wandered in.
21:21 < Thorbinator_> he's always going towards the light
21:21 < kanzure> does replop refer to reprap?
21:22 < Thorbinator_> It's going to get him in trouble one day
21:22 < Replop> kanzure:  sadly no, I used this before hearing about reprap.
21:23 < Replop> but  I like reprap concept
21:24 < kanzure> alright
21:26 < delinquentme> Replop, true
21:26 < delinquentme> Thorbinator_, you guys building robots?
21:27 < Thorbinator_> I wish
21:27 < delinquentme> or are you like social game mechanics y combinator startup ?
21:27 < Thorbinator_> I've been to battlebots once
21:27  * delinquentme elly
21:27  * delinquentme JELLY
21:27 < delinquentme> thats bad ass
21:27 < Thorbinator_> yea it was fun
21:28 < delinquentme> soo then someone told you that we've engineered cellular rejuvination?
21:28 < delinquentme> well.
21:28 < Thorbinator_> did you activate the transcription for telomerase?
21:28 < delinquentme> we're not QUITE there yet... but ... http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.doctortipster.com%2F6350-french-scientists-restored-the-youth-of-100-years-old-cells.html&h=TAQEv36Ol
21:28 < delinquentme> Thorbinator_, oh shit .. knows some things!
21:28 < Thorbinator_> I'm a toxicology student
21:28 < delinquentme> DANGER NUB ROBINSON
21:28 < delinquentme> oh thats hot
21:29 < delinquentme> im a business student
21:29 < delinquentme> :D
21:29 < delinquentme> well graduated
21:29 < Replop> wouldn't it have been easier to link directly to the target news story, instead of facebook  ?
21:29 < delinquentme> Replop, true!
21:29 < Replop> easier for the end user, at last.
21:29 < delinquentme> i just copied the FB link
21:29 < delinquentme> FB is kind of like my repo
21:30 < delinquentme> Replop, whats your background?
21:31 < Replop> basement dweller that studied a bit of physics and CS ; sometimes work in IT
21:33 < delinquentme> nice!
21:33 < delinquentme> i like to leave the house sometimes
21:34 < Replop> beware of the  treachearous plasma ball
21:35 < Thorbinator_> the daystar is merciless
21:39 < kanzure> Replop: what do you do in the basement besides physics
21:39 < kanzure> or, er, computing
21:39 < kanzure> any projects?
21:40 < Replop> it was a metaphorical basement, I actually am above ground level.
21:40 < Replop> and not much projects, merely  "interests".
21:41 < JayDugger1> How much advertising do you with such a brand name?
21:43 < Vicarious> 5:42 a.m., almost time to go home and take a nap
21:44 < Replop> Sleep is a good idea, indeed.
21:47 < Vicarious> waste of time imo
21:48 < Replop> still a necessity.
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22:03 < Thorbinator_> I always need to sleep, I never want to.
22:04 < Vicarious> C8H10N4O2 ftw
22:06 < delinquentme> Thorbinator_, agreed.
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22:50 < Mokbortolan_> does anybody have a bodybugg and a live subscription?
22:53 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_, im sorry is that a vibrator?
22:53 < Mokbortolan_> sort of
23:11 < delinquentme> incase anyone likes beautiful human tech http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/CMS_Silicon_Tracker_Arty_HiRes.jpg
23:16 < Mokbortolan_> delinquentme: it's a biometric logging device
23:17 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_, yeah :D
23:22 < kanzure> if i ever write a lame book, it should be called "faster than moore"
23:22 < kanzure> or "more than moore"
23:23 < kanzure> everyone will groan but i'll sell like 10 copies and it'll be good
23:24 < kanzure> i guess people keep saying "faster than moore's law" because moore's law is so popular
23:24 < kanzure> but why not just say how much faster.. or just give it a new name
23:25 < Mokbortolan_> I got the python app working, but I need a few more bits of data to make it work with the watch display
23:25 < Mokbortolan_> I need to capture the synchronization data
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23:54 < strangewarp> That is its name, kanzure
23:54 < strangewarp> the Faster Than Moore's Law
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23:57 < kanzure> Super Moore
23:57 < kanzure> :V
23:59 < delinquentme> night!
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