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06:32 < katsmeow-afk> wooooaaahhh,, how to use big words to say republicans and tea party members are stupid : http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187.short?rss=1&amp%3bssource=mfr
06:34 < katsmeow-afk> how being depressed can make one stupid (as if we didn't know that already) : http://pss.sagepub.com/content/21/12/1770.abstract
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06:38 < katsmeow-afk> found one study that said if one is unhappy, one will daydream more, but i discarded it because they used the euphemism "make love" for "having sex",, and the overall "DUH" factor
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07:06 < kanzure> beep
07:06 < katsmeow-afk> boop
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07:16 < strangewarp> Today's goals: Read new chapter of HP:MoR; finish Rockit Synthesizer build
07:16 < strangewarp> productivity!!
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08:48 < Replop> bop
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12:00 < delinquentme> so I want to learn to think in terms of big tools
12:00 < delinquentme> MORE
12:01 < delinquentme> advice?
12:01 < kanzure> how big
12:01 < delinquentme> like if you want to think in terms of statistics you evaluate every day occurrences in that context
12:01 < delinquentme> kanzure, specifically I want to think in terms of statistics and machine learning more
12:02 < delinquentme> like we've got this "imfact factor" style social proofing ideal behind research
12:02 < delinquentme> if you want to build a system that handles that
12:03 < delinquentme> the distillate of that process is who thinks who else is smart, and who builds upon other research someone else started?
12:03 < delinquentme> the issue is that googles DONE this
12:03 < delinquentme> just its all locked down
12:03 < delinquentme> klout too
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12:14 < delinquentme> kanzure, is there really no API which keeps a valid DB of inbound links?
12:14 < delinquentme> like seriously there should be an open source equivalent of pagerank
12:22 < kanzure> what is "OpenURL COinS"
12:33 < delinquentme> today is a good day
12:33 < delinquentme> lol
12:36 < ybit> delinquentme: look into yacy
12:36 < delinquentme> HURM.
12:37 < delinquentme> I'd love to make a blog post titled " Fuck you publishers "
12:38 < delinquentme> with a massive graph of influence
12:38 < delinquentme> then tweet at them
12:38 < delinquentme> and be all
12:38 < delinquentme> " How you like that dick in yo ass ? "
12:38 < delinquentme> =]
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12:42 < virnovus> *sigh* had another meeting with a probation officer today
12:42 < virnovus> at least she was nice to me
12:45 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: wanna fuck them really hard write papers scraper software for smartphones, people from within universities would be freeing thoulsands of papers every day
12:46 < delinquentme> fuck them like superman and the invisible man in that one joke
12:48 < uniqanomaly> they try to cut off more universities after they acknowledge whats going on their PR is sooo going down
12:48 < Steel2> hmmm
12:48 < Steel2> so I don't know if delinquentme or kanzure saw the post I made on fb about a 'watson jr'
12:49 < Steel2> but a suggestion in there was to write a distributed app
12:50 < kanzure> no nobody uses facebook
12:50 < ybit> it's true
12:50 < kanzure> thanks ybit
12:50  * kanzure chest thump
12:50  * ybit butt slap
12:50 < virnovus> trying to decide whether to go to lab meeting today
12:50 < ybit> in the baseball manly sense of butt slapping
12:50 < Steel2> a distributed watson-like app would be nice
12:51 < Steel2> to feed articles into
12:51 < kanzure> virnovus: yeah, but just chillax
12:51 < kanzure> Steel2: watson is just a lot of painful work like wolframalpha
12:51 < kanzure> it scales linearly with manpower
12:51 < kanzure> to code it.
12:51 < virnovus> kanzure: i guess i could go.  i'll see if i can get any brain models
12:51 < kanzure> hooray
12:51 < kanzure> virnovus: what lab is it
12:52 < virnovus> university of buffalo virtual reality lab
12:52 < Steel2> kanzure: Not...according to this article?
12:52 < virnovus> http://www.vrlab.buffalo.edu
12:53 < kanzure> virnovus: other models would be hawt too
12:53 < Steel2> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fdeveloperworks%2Fmydeveloperworks%2Fblogs%2FInsideSystemStorage%2Fentry%2Fibm_watson_how_to_build_your_own_watson_jr_in_your_basement7%3Flang%3Den&h=BAQFJGdGo
12:53 < virnovus> models of what though?
12:53 < kanzure> i'm not going to click a facebook redirect link
12:53 < Steel2> ah, sorry
12:53 < Steel2> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/InsideSystemStorage/entry/ibm_watson_how_to_build_your_own_watson_jr_in_your_basement7?lang=en
12:53 < delinquentme> fb = picking up sluts
12:53 < delinquentme> lolololol
12:54 < virnovus> kanzure: we've got lots of medical models and such.  mostly urology.  not sure you care much about bladders and prostates
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12:58 < kanzure> hello nyteryder
12:59 < virnovus> for some reason my external hard drive is only recognized by linux, not window
12:59 < virnovus> *windows
12:59 < kanzure> solution: stop using windows
13:00 < virnovus> yeah, but then i got no photoshop
13:00 < Mokbortolan_> virnovus: what filesystem is it?
13:00 < virnovus> NTFS, oddly enough
13:00 < Mokbortolan_> huh
13:00 < kanzure> virnovus: use photoshop in a VM
13:00 < virnovus> too much work
13:00 < thesnark> listen to this man
13:00 < Mokbortolan_> is it USB?
13:00 < virnovus> yes, usb
13:00 < thesnark> VMs are the way to go
13:01 < thesnark> unless you have shitty hardware
13:01 < Mokbortolan_> try changing the USB port
13:01 < kanzure> in which case: stop using shitty hardware
13:01 < Mokbortolan_> like, plug it into a different one
13:01 < thesnark> kanzure I would but I have no money
13:01 < virnovus> i'm broke though
13:01 < kanzure> ha
13:01 < Mokbortolan_> if that doesn't work, pull up Logical Disk Manager
13:01 < Mokbortolan_> which OS are you using?
13:01 < thesnark> by no money I mean I would rather continue my pizza and beer purchases
13:02 < kanzure> thesnark: i understand
13:02 < thesnark> also paying for school
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13:02 < thesnark> can't wait to be done with that
13:03  * thesnark leaves to purchase beer and pizza
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13:05 < delinquentme> aww yehh
13:05 < delinquentme> Citebase
13:05 < delinquentme> #tiddays
13:08 < virnovus> ok, well I'm gonna go shut down my laptop now
13:08 < delinquentme> LOLZWHUT
13:08 < delinquentme> Abstracts are available free online for almost all articles, and full scanned articles are available in Graphics Interchange Format (GIF)
13:08 < delinquentme> who... does ... this?
13:09 < delinquentme> ( NASA )
13:09 < virnovus> should be able to come back online in my lab
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13:11 < kanzure> ok lazyweb: g gundam or gundam wing?
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13:16 < kanzure> oh i guess there's also zz gundam
13:20 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xm69SjwAbA
13:21 < delinquentme> NM
13:21 < delinquentme> DIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExyE8e6QLgA&feature=related
13:21 < delinquentme> BEH
13:21 < delinquentme> no this one
13:21 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0PFuz5tJQ8&feature=related
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13:26 < delinquentme> anime
13:26 < delinquentme> is
13:26 < delinquentme> so
13:26 < delinquentme> fucking SICK
13:27 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: breathe
13:27 < delinquentme> autoasphyxiation
13:27 < delinquentme> XD
13:29 < uniqanomaly> lol it wasnt reverse psychology
13:29 < Mariu> what are you watching ?
13:29 < Mariu> what anime / series ?
13:30 < delinquentme> Mariu, i watched evangelion 2.0 the other night and that scene blows my mind
13:30 < delinquentme> OK
13:30 < delinquentme> gotta relocate
13:30 < Mariu> sweet
13:34 < kanzure> Mariu: this channel has a high anime-to-nerd ratio
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13:35 < Mokbortolan_> I tried to like anime
13:35 < Mokbortolan_> I really did
13:35 < Mokbortolan_> I just don't
13:35 < Mariu> kanzure, cool
13:35 < Mokbortolan_> Cowboy Bebop was pretty good though
13:35 < Mariu> I enjoy Ghost in a Shell
13:35 < Mokbortolan_> I enjoyed the first one (but not the dialogue)
13:36 < Mokbortolan_> naked robot chicks with automatic weapons? hard to top that
13:36 < Mokbortolan_> if only she didn't drone on and on in a monotone about vague philosophy of self
13:36 < kanzure> we need a ##hplusroadmap anime
13:36 < Mariu> !!!
13:36 < Mariu> Bingo
13:37 < Mariu> to quote the Oracle from Matrix
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13:50 < kanzure> Mariu: ?
13:55 < Mariu> I will be good to have ##hplusroadmap anime
13:56 < kanzure> ah
13:56 < kanzure> yes the oracle was very wise
13:56 < Mariu> yup
13:56 < Mariu> *it
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13:57 < yashgaroth> welp
13:57 < kanzure> yashgaroth: sup?
13:57 < yashgaroth> company got liquidated
13:57 < kanzure> hahah
13:57 < kanzure> ah the glamorous world of biotech
13:57 < yashgaroth> 2 months severance at least
13:58 < yashgaroth> buuut yeah it's gonna be a drinky night for me
13:58 < kanzure> yashgaroth: so you're 100% done?
13:59 < kanzure> or are they having you come back to work on monday
13:59 < yashgaroth> yep, didn't even need to finalize my notebooks
13:59 < yashgaroth> there's like 4 people staying around during the 'transition' for a couple weeks, but not me
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14:00 < yashgaroth> should've waited a week to book that flight to a'dam
14:02 < yashgaroth> one coworker literally bought a house yesterday, at least I'm not him :/
14:02 < kanzure> that should be illegal
14:03 < yashgaroth> that's why they make you sign a waiver to get the severance...just in case
14:03 < kanzure> no i mean home ownership (kidding)
14:04 < yashgaroth> heh that too
14:04 < kanzure> yashgaroth: ##hplusroadmap anime.. are you down fori t?
14:04 < kanzure> *for it
14:05 < yashgaroth> my anime experience is limited to GitS, akira, and miyazaki's stuff
14:06 < yashgaroth> but I'll have plenty of time to catch up
14:06 < kanzure> positive or negative experience?
14:06 < yashgaroth> positive from those
14:06 < yashgaroth> cowboy bebop and appleseed are on my list for sure
14:07 < kanzure> can't tell what the plot would be
14:07 < kanzure> "some people do some things, it works, and they are happy"
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14:08 < yashgaroth> oh wait are you making h+ anime or something
14:08 < kanzure> delinquentme: ##hplusroadmap anime. what's the plot?
14:08 < kanzure> yashgaroth: no just thinking
14:09 < delinquentme> fluid immersion for greater ability to withstand Gforces
14:09 < delinquentme> and the crazy emotional content it elicits from me
14:09 < kanzure> that's not a plot :p
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14:26 < kanzure> "affordable 3d printers! own yours for less than $300/mo" geeze that's not the same class of 'affordable' that most people are looking for
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14:28 < Mokbortolan_> costs less than my kid's preschool
14:30 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: you can pick up some printers for <$1k so i dunno why you would pay $300/mo
14:33 < Mokbortolan_> depends on what kind of printer, I s'pose
14:33 < Mokbortolan_> a fancy-dan commercial model vs a makerbot
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14:39 < virnovus> ah
14:40 < virnovus> kanzure: you around?
14:41 < virnovus> anyone? anyone around?
14:41 < yashgaroth> 'sup
14:42 < virnovus> i'm in my lab.  kanzure wanted some 3D brain models, iirs
14:42 < virnovus> iirc
14:42 < yashgaroth> that does sound like him
14:43 < virnovus> anyone else want any medical models?
14:44 < virnovus> we got a lot of cool shit up in here
14:45 < yashgaroth> of, like, organs and such?
14:45 < virnovus> i think so
14:45 < jrayhawk> virnovus: if Windows doesn't notice an NTFS volume, the partition type field is probably wrong.
14:45 < jrayhawk> http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_type&sa=U&ei=0O5sT-LuB4ji2QXB9dGTBg&ved=0CBUQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNGfdXRyH8y-bdtxZ3JoDVz8FemnCA
14:45 < jrayhawk> ugh, fucking google
14:45 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_type
14:46 < kanzure> "Shaping Cells, Shaping Embryos: Coordinated Actin and Membrane Dynamics During Fly Morphogenesis."
14:46 < kanzure> "Refreshments will be served at 3:45" hot damn... fly morphogenesis *and* refreshments
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14:47 < kanzure> gaaahhh
14:47 < kanzure> i didn't know ut austin had a computational neuroscience journal club
14:47 < kanzure> http://clm.utexas.edu/compjclub/
14:47 < kanzure> why the fuck am i not showing up to that
14:48 < kanzure> "Afsheen Afshar, Gopal Santhanam, Byron M. Yu, Stephen I. Ryu, Maneesh Sahani, Krishna V. Shenoy. Single-Trial Neural Correlates of Arm Movement Preparation. Neuron, Volume 71, Issue 3, 555-564, 11 August 2011"
14:48 < kanzure> http://clm.utexas.edu/compjclub/papers/Afshar2011.pdf
14:50 < virnovus> kanzure: i'm in my lab.  you said you wanted brain models or something?
14:51 < kanzure> virnovus: that would be great
14:51 < kanzure> Field G.D., Gauthier J.L., Sher A., Greschner M., Machado T.A., Jepson L.H., Shlens J., Gunning D.E., Mathieson K., Dabrowski W., Paninski L., Litke A.M., Chichilnisky E.J. Functional connectivity in the retina at the resolution of photoreceptors. Nature 467, 2010
14:51 < kanzure> http://clm.utexas.edu/compjclub/papers/Field2010.pdf
15:00 < virnovus> what type of brain models exactly?
15:00 < virnovus> neurovasculature?
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15:17 < n_bentha> I did that transformation today :)
15:17 < n_bentha> It's in the 37* shaker atm.
15:17 < yashgaroth> ah good good
15:18 < yashgaroth> I just got laid off today, same thing basically
15:18 < yashgaroth> luckily it was myself along with the rest of the company, so no especially hard feelings
15:20 < delinquentme> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/rise-of-the-hacktivist-activists-now-outsteal-the-thieves/
15:20 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, what happened?
15:21 < yashgaroth> board meeting last wednesday, we found out today that they decided to fire everyone to save money
15:21 < yashgaroth> which admittedly is a good way to trim a budget
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15:32 < n_bentha> :O
15:32 < n_bentha> I hope you find a job soon.
15:33 < yashgaroth> I don't, I've only had 2 days of vacation in 2 years
15:33 < yashgaroth> but yeah I'm not too worried
15:34 < n_bentha> Well if you find a job, it doesn't mean you'll start working immediately.
15:35 < n_bentha> My friend got a job, but delayed her start for a few months.
15:36 < yashgaroth> I'll start looking next week; this week is getting high and playing video games :D
15:39 < n_bentha> Nice!
15:42 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, you're my hero
15:42 < yashgaroth> hahaha
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15:57 < delinquentme> http://www.ebscohost.com/title-lists
16:01 < kanzure> yep
16:04 < kanzure> delinquentme: it would be nice of you if you would assemble bibtex for each volume of each issue of each item listed her
16:04 < kanzure> *here
16:04 < kanzure> http://www.ebscohost.com/titleLists/asm-journals.xls
16:09 < delinquentme> so go through and create a document of all of the research journals published by each of these publications
16:09 < kanzure> are you telling me to do that?
16:09 < kanzure> that's not what i said :x
16:09 < thesnark> pizzabeer
16:09 < thesnark> is made of ownage
16:09 < kanzure> hi thesnark
16:10 < thesnark> can't stay long, intoxicated
16:10 < delinquentme> no i mean thats what youre asking right?
16:10 < kanzure> delinquentme: i want a global citation index for each of the journals in that .xls file
16:10 < kanzure> no
16:10 < kanzure> each journal has volumes and issues
16:10 < kanzure> each issue-volume has a number of papers
16:10 < kanzure> you call these 'citations'
16:10 < thesnark> kanzure can you give an example? Would it just be a list of numbers with associated articles?
16:10 < kanzure> each citation refers and identifies a specific paper
16:10 < delinquentme> volumes and issues?
16:10 < kanzure> thesnark: nope.. one sec
16:10 < kanzure> delinquentme: yes..
16:11 < delinquentme> and I thought citations are individual references to other papers
16:11 < kanzure> yes.. each journal has a number of volume-issues and each one has a list of papers
16:11 < kanzure> you refer to these with a well-formed citation
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16:12 < kanzure> thesnark: well, my example is just some code.. but it would be faster to just show you
16:12 < thesnark> alright, no need for anything elaborate
16:12 < kanzure> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/0166445X
16:12 < kanzure> click "EXPORT CITATIONS"
16:12 < kanzure> click "BIBTEX FORMAT"
16:13 < kanzure> oh also click "CITATIONS AND ABSTRACTS"
16:13 < kanzure> anyway i have code that does this for sciencedirect
16:13 < kanzure> but not ebscohost or wiley or springerhumpdinker
16:14 < kanzure> so that link is Aquatic Toxicology (Volumes 114–115)
16:14 < kanzure> apparently this journal doesn't do issues.. so that's a bad example to explain issues
16:14 < thesnark> kanzure ok, gotcha
16:14 < n_bentha> I think each paper should include a citation of itself at the beggining or end of the paper.
16:14 < thesnark> kanzure do you prefer one enormous file or some kind of lookup system?
16:15 < delinquentme> one BF DB would be awesome
16:15 < kanzure> thesnark: i prefer a journals object, and each journal should have a number of issues/volumes, and each issue-volume instance should have a list of individual citations
16:15 < n_bentha> In standard MLA format. Or some new Science Article Format that publishers can agree on.
16:15 < kanzure> n_bentha: bibtex
16:15 < delinquentme> whats the difference between issues and volumes
16:16 < delinquentme> which is the smaller unit
16:16 < thesnark> volumes are made of issues I believe
16:16 < kanzure> they can do whatever they want
16:16 < thesnark> pardon me, but what do you mean by BF delinquentme?
16:16 < thesnark> yeah it's just the name they assign
16:16 < delinquentme> lolol
16:17 < kanzure> they can have multiple issues per volume or multiple volumes per issue because fuck you you're paying them $25,000/issue
16:17 < n_bentha> Kanzure: they should do it for us. So we just have to copy/past the freaking citations.
16:17 < delinquentme> so the unit you want
16:17 < delinquentme> is it not individual research paper with references?
16:17 < kanzure> thesnark: this is how i am verifying my coverage of the entirety of science.
16:18 < thesnark> kanzure would love to help with that
16:18 < kanzure> delinquentme: the pdf is nice and all, but i'd rather grab that myself because so far i haven't met *anynoe* that is careful with the metadata
16:18 < thesnark> just mention me in any ideas you have in channel and I'll read them tomorrow
16:18 < thesnark> in the meantime, it is time for zombie shooters
16:18 < kanzure> i just get some_shit.tar and people expect OCR to magically work
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16:20 < delinquentme> THE most important shit you will hear about all week : http://news.discovery.com/tech/world-most-powerful-laser-120322.html
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16:24 < delinquentme> kanzure, I dont really understand what you're after
16:24 < kanzure> delinquentme: ok what part about bibtex do you not understand
16:24 < delinquentme> you're getting the journal citations instead of the paper citations?
16:25 < delinquentme> ah bibtext == citation
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16:27 < delinquentme> kanzure, do I have the most recent version of your code?
16:27 < kanzure> i have no ebscohost code
16:28 < delinquentme> nah but the science direct
16:28 < delinquentme> these are all basically made to grab those bibtext files
16:28 < delinquentme> ja?
16:28 < kanzure> no i was in the middle of a rewrite
16:28 < delinquentme> does the rewrite run?
16:28 < kanzure> no i was in the middle of it
16:29 < delinquentme> using phantom?
16:29 < kanzure> no
16:30 < kanzure> what?
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16:34 < delinquentme> hurm?
16:34 < delinquentme> so we need a ton of bibtexes
16:40 < delinquentme> kanzure, you still the best versed w phantom?
16:41 < kanzure> what are you asking?
16:41 < delinquentme> is that what you're most productive in?
16:41 < delinquentme> do you want me to work with that
16:42 < kanzure> no i am most productive with python-requests
16:42 < delinquentme> also : do you know these bibtext have no citations
16:42 < kanzure> these are citations.
16:42 < kanzure> that's what bibtex encodes.
16:43 < delinquentme> im looking at an issue
16:43 < delinquentme> and it has a list of titles and other information about a single research paper
16:43 < kanzure> no an issue should have multiple papers in its bibtex file
16:43 < delinquentme> no listing of the papers that THAT research paper references
16:43 < delinquentme> yeah it does
16:44 < kanzure> so?
16:44 < kanzure> sounds like it's working to me?
16:44 < delinquentme> @article{Rhee2012104,
16:44 < delinquentme> title = "P-glycoprotein (P-gp) in the monogonont rotifer, Brachionus koreanus: Molecular characterization and expression in response to pharmaceuticals",
16:44 < delinquentme> journal = "Aquatic Toxicology",
16:44 < delinquentme> volume = "114–115",
16:44 < delinquentme> number = "0",
16:44 < delinquentme> pages = "104 - 118",
16:44 < kanzure> yep
16:44 < delinquentme> year = "2012",
16:44 < delinquentme> note = "",
16:44 < delinquentme> issn = "0166-445X",
16:44 < delinquentme> doi = "10.1016/j.aquatox.2012.02.009",
16:44 < kanzure> this is just the bibetx for this issue
16:44 < delinquentme> url = "http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166445X12000598",
16:44 < delinquentme> author = "Jae-Sung Rhee and Chang-Bum Jeong and Bo-Mi Kim and Jae-Seong Lee",
16:44 < delinquentme> keywords = "P-glycoprotein",
16:44 < delinquentme> keywords = "Monogonont rotifer",
16:44 < delinquentme> keywords = "Pharmaceutical",
16:44 < kanzure> for 0166-445X
16:44 < delinquentme> keywords = "Antibiotics",
16:44 < delinquentme> keywords = "Expression",
16:44 < delinquentme> keywords = "Growth retardation",
16:44 < delinquentme> abstract = "P-glycoprotein is involved in the efflux of diverse chemicals, including hydrophobic compounds and pharmaceuticals as a first line of defense. Here, we firstly identified and characterized the P-gp (Bk-P-gp) gene in the rotifer, Brachionus koreanus. Bk-P-gp was highly conserved in genomic organization compared to the human P-gp gene. Messenger RNA expression of Bk-P-gp revealed that it would be regulated by t
16:45 < delinquentme> emperature change via 14 heat shock response elements in its promoter region. Bk-P-gp showed a high similarity of motifs/domains compared to those of vertebrates in its amino acid sequences. To check whether Bk-P-gp would be inducible, we exposed B. koreanus to six pharmaceuticals including antibiotics for use in aquaculture and observed dose- and time-dependency on transcripts of Bk-P-gp for 24&#xa0;h over a wide range
16:45 < delinquentme> of concentration. Efflux assay and membrane topology supported its conserved function for transportation of a number of chemicals upon cellular damage. To reveal the effect of pharmaceuticals on the rotifer, we measured survival rate and population growth rate after exposure to six pharmaceuticals. In an acute toxicity test, both NOEC and LC50 values for all the pharmaceuticals were high for 24&#xa0;h. ATP, CBZ, SMX, and
16:45 < delinquentme>  TMP markedly inhibited the population growth of B. koreanus after exposure up to
16:45 < delinquentme> shit.
16:45 < delinquentme> well there it is lol
16:45 < delinquentme> theres no reference to the papers that paper references
16:45 < chris_99> that's not what bibtex provides
16:45 < chris_99> bibtex doesn't give you the citations in the paper
16:45 < delinquentme> we need that
16:45 < kanzure> chris_99 is correct
16:46 < kanzure> delinquentme: who does?
16:46 < kanzure> this is just so that we can see what papers each journal has
16:46 < kanzure> that's all
16:46 < delinquentme> if you're building something that can gauge something like an impact factor
16:46 < kanzure> this way, i know whether or not your some_shit_papers.tar has all of the papers for the ournal
16:46 < kanzure> i am not building anything related to impact factor
16:46 < delinquentme> i was having a discussion w the dude at homolog.us about that
16:46 < chris_99> if you want to find which papers cite a particular paper you can do that using google scholar
16:47 < delinquentme> how to build a system which excludes publishers
16:47 < kanzure> now you're just changing the subject
16:47 < delinquentme> pagerank for research papers
16:47 < kanzure> fuck
16:47 < delinquentme> yeah
16:47 < delinquentme> thats a different thing from this
16:47 < kanzure> chris_99: not really.. you can't download the scholar.google.com dataset
16:48 < chris_99> you just enter the name of the paper click a few links
16:48 < chris_99> hey presto :)
16:48 < kanzure> chris_99: that requires manual labor and is retarded
16:48 < kanzure> this is 2012
16:48 < kanzure> not 1983
16:48 < chris_99> er, you can script it ;)
16:48 < kanzure> anyway..
16:48 < kanzure> chris_99: yes, but you can't prove that you have 100% coverage over google's dataset
16:48 < chris_99> i never said that's what i was trying to do
16:48 < kanzure> getting bibtex for each journal is to prove that anyone contributing pdfs has complete coverage for the journal
16:48 < chris_99> i said to get the citations for a paritcular paper
16:50 < delinquentme> ok kanzure im gonna run this agan
16:50 < delinquentme> again
16:50 < delinquentme> do you want me to work on the phantomjs
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16:51 < kanzure> not really
16:52 < kanzure> can you please get me bibtex for each of the journals' issues' volumes listed in http://www.ebscohost.com/titleLists/asm-journals.xls
16:53 < delinquentme> so you just want all the bibtex files for the journals listed in that file
16:53 < delinquentme> LISTEN KIDS dont do pickup.
16:53 < kanzure> no each journal has more than one bibtex file
16:54 < kanzure> *no,
16:54 < delinquentme> yeah they've got a bibtex for each issue
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17:01 < delinquentme> ok coo
17:01 < delinquentme> l
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17:03 < delinquentme> kanzure,
17:03 < delinquentme> bibtex files
17:03 < delinquentme> from all of these journals
17:03 < delinquentme> and their issues
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17:04 < kanzure> yep
17:05 < kanzure> preferably with metadata for each of the journals
17:05 < kanzure> and metadata for each issue.. like date, number of pages, url
17:05 < kanzure> rss link
17:08 < delinquentme> http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100359&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095803&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095806&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100351&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100429&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100431&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100425&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100448&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100341&doi=
17:08 < delinquentme> 10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100344&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100434&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100437&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095759&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100347&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100442&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100445&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100453&
17:08 < delinquentme> damn
17:08 < delinquentme> so the options are citations and references OR citations and abstracts
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17:10 < kanzure> how about both
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17:16 < delinquentme> Anglican Theological Review  kanzure
17:16 < delinquentme> ^ good one
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17:30 < delinquentme> kanzure,
17:30 < delinquentme> it seems that there would be better returns to mechanical turk most of these
17:30 < kanzure> can't code?
17:31 < delinquentme> so for the few journals which have a number of publications sure thats worth the time
17:32 < delinquentme> like this "Annual reviews Inc"
17:32 < kanzure> there are thousands of journals
17:32 < delinquentme> bc they've got like 20 journals .. but different scraping software for each of these publishers?
17:32 < kanzure> if you code for the publisher's website, you can capture all the info at once
17:32 < kanzure> 10min per publisher
17:32 < delinquentme> this is true
17:33 < virnovus> these drug laws are so fucking stupid
17:34 < delinquentme> virnovus, lets be friends
17:34 < virnovus> sounds good
17:34 < uniqanomaly> virnovus: 'give me the man, and I will find the crime'
17:35 < delinquentme> uniqanomaly, =]
17:35 < virnovus> i dunno.  i kind of feel that me being a convicted felon shows that the laws are fucked up
17:36 < uniqanomaly> delinquentme: I do some scraping lately, ruby + hpricot
17:36 < delinquentme> uniqanomaly, yeah ive heard good things about it
17:36 < delinquentme> im about to run a tut on mechanize
17:36 < virnovus> on the other hand, being a convicted felon is kind of badass
17:37 < kanzure> uniqanomaly: i suggest phantomjs or python+webkit
17:38 < delinquentme> kanzure, talk to meh
17:38 < delinquentme> y u use python picker if you advocate phantomjs
17:39 < katsmeow> how do you get past the $20 paywall per article?
17:39 < delinquentme> HABLAMOS CON MIAGAMOS
17:40 < kanzure> katsmeow: subscriptions
17:40 < kanzure> delinquentme: python+webkit is exactly like phantomjs, i don't know what you're talking about
17:41 < katsmeow> $86 per journal subscription? cannot do
17:42 < kanzure> katsmeow: who said you were paying?
17:42 < katsmeow> no one offered to pay for me
17:42 < kanzure> don't pay anyway
17:42 < kanzure> just use pre-existing subscriptions
17:42 < katsmeow> no one offered me a pre-existing, oh nevermind
17:43 < kanzure> katsmeow: you either bruteforce it or find it yourself
17:43 < kanzure> this is not a hard problem
17:43 < AdrianG> katsmeow: what journal
17:43 < kanzure> AdrianG: all of them
17:43 < AdrianG> kanzure: public libraries
17:43 < AdrianG> or email the authors asking for a copy
17:43 < AdrianG> some journals are open access
17:43 < kanzure> you can't email all authors of all papers ever
17:44 < kanzure> also, publi libraries are not an ideal location to run scrapers
17:44 < kanzure> *public
17:44 < AdrianG> example: http://www.jbiomedsci.com/
17:44 < AdrianG> oh scrapers...
17:44 < kanzure> your strategy sucks
17:44 < AdrianG> u want to do it in bulk
17:44 < AdrianG> i thought u just here and there
17:45 < kanzure> AdrianG: i am making a mirror of the entirety of science
17:45 < AdrianG> gotcha
17:45 < AdrianG> g'luck and carry on
17:45 < kanzure> public libraries seem to be against this goal
17:46 < ParahSailin> how about this -- first make a bitcoin micropayment marketplace for article retrieval
17:46 < kanzure> why
17:46 < ParahSailin> this will starve out the media cartels
17:47 < kanzure> why would you pay for it though?
17:47 < ParahSailin> and then you can keep working on a free thingy
17:47 < kanzure> the payment part doesn't make sense to me
17:47 < kanzure> the publishers make money when the researchers give them $1000/page or libraries subscribe for $20,000/page
17:47 < ParahSailin> nobody would pay 5 cents for an article?
17:47 < kanzure> well there's >30 million articles
17:48 < kanzure> so paying 5 cents for each is very impractical
17:48 < ParahSailin> most researchers dont want 30 million articles
17:48 < ParahSailin> they just need the one they need
17:48 < kanzure> they don't matter
17:48 < kanzure> they will benefit from a complete mirror of science anyway
17:49 < kanzure> if they like paying so much they can just get one of those awful deepdyve.com accounts
17:50 < delinquentme> kk guys relocating
17:50 < delinquentme> brb
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17:50 < ParahSailin> so it would be pretty trivial to mirror all the papers?
17:50 < virnovus> anyone ever go to sciencemadness.org
17:50 < kanzure> virnovus: yep
17:50 < kanzure> ParahSailin: to be honest, the verification problem is sort of trivial but sort of not
17:51 < virnovus> have been a regular there
17:51 < ParahSailin> verification?
17:51 < kanzure> ParahSailin: when people scrape papers and journals, they don't inlude metadata
17:51 < kanzure> ParahSailin: so they just assume that OCR will be able to identify what the file is
17:51 < kanzure> but this is not very practical
17:51 < kanzure> virnovus: last i checked, sciencemadness was dead
17:51 < kanzure> virnovus: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/about
17:52 < virnovus> kanzure: i posted a reaction there once, I have a feeling Nicodem profited from my discovery
17:54 < ParahSailin> so you just need to provide a standardized script for scraping to ensure inclusion of metadata?
17:54 < kanzure> ParahSailin: correct!
17:54 < kanzure> ParahSailin: what i've decided on is to get all journals + metadata, and bibtex for each issue
17:54 < kanzure> to describe which papers appear in which journals
17:55 < kanzure> this way, we can be sure that we have a complete copy of journal xyz
17:55 < kanzure> (once we start gathering pdfs)
17:56 < ParahSailin> pubmed is a good source of metadata
17:57 < kanzure> i think it would be better to just start from the publisher's sites
17:57 < kanzure> because you can assume that they have an accurate index of their own properties
17:58 < kanzure> so this means things like: wiley interscience, ebscohost, sciencedirect, nature, annualreviews.org, royal society of chemistry, ..
17:58 < ParahSailin> so use pubmed's as a fallback and then manually write extensions for the major publishers
17:59 < kanzure> it's a little awkward that nobody has a freely downloadable index of "the entirety of science"
18:01 < jrayhawk> uh, well, considering the LHC alone generates something on the order of tens of petabytes annually, indexing is not really all that easy!
18:01 < kanzure> that ain't 10s of petabytes of papers?
18:02 < kanzure> ah well i guess you got me: i meant to specify papaers
18:02 < jrayhawk> oh, you just want publications
18:02 < kanzure> papers
18:02 < kanzure> yes
18:02 < jrayhawk> yes, that is embarassing
18:02 < kanzure> human scientists ha ha ha
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18:10 < virnovus> heh, this bisexual indian girl i know is coming by my place soon
18:10 < delinquentme> ZOMG
18:10 < delinquentme> virnovus, do it
18:10 < delinquentme> HER HER HER
18:10 < delinquentme> sorry
18:10 < delinquentme> :D
18:10 < katsmeow> :-|
18:10 < virnovus> she wants weed
18:11 < delinquentme> ^^^^
18:11 < delinquentme> thats awesome
18:12 < virnovus> shes with some guy but I don't know if they're together or not
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18:21 < virnovus> i don't think they are
18:21 < virnovus> hell, i'd be down for a devil's three-way if need be
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18:45 < Steel2> eh, that's right, weed is legal in NYS, isn't it
18:50 < delinquentme> virnovus, #pickup will kill your soul
18:50 < delinquentme> and youll have tons of fun
18:50 < delinquentme> and its my cynicism talking but girls gleefully pay for entertainment with whatever they have
18:58 < uniqanomaly> gotta catch 'em all on STDs
18:58 < strangewarp> pickup is a blight on human honor
18:58 < strangewarp> imo
18:58 < strangewarp> sorry ._.
18:59 < lichen> lol sex channels on freenode?
18:59 < lichen> possibly better than the hundreds of rp channels on every other network
18:59 < yashgaroth> what sayest thou!
18:59 < kanzure> oh hell i know someone in #pickup
19:00 < kanzure> i mean, know him in person
19:00 < kanzure> actually, this might explain some of martin's oddities
19:00 < kanzure> ah no nevermind
19:00 < kanzure> he's the freenode staffer
19:00 < strangewarp> hahahah
19:00 < lichen> i dont even know what #pickup is all about
19:01 < lichen> but looking at their topic
19:01 < lichen> it looks reddit-related
19:01 < strangewarp> It's about thoroughly analyzing all possible conversation-trees to get women into bed, basically
19:01 < lichen> oh god
19:01 < lichen> PUAs
19:01 < lichen> all my hate
19:01 < strangewarp> yes ugh
19:01 < kanzure> i wish reddit would stop intruding in here
19:01 < lichen> fucking manipulative asshats
19:01 < kanzure> it's getting sorta over-the-top
19:01 < sylph_mako> Reddit is not one thing.
19:02 < lichen> i love hearing the stories of women calling out PUAs
19:02 < lichen> "nice neg, bro"
19:02 < kanzure> lichen: i think being manipulative is a useful skill (though when it's applied to dating is another issue)
19:02 < strangewarp> There but for the grace of weird sexuality go I...
19:02 < lichen> that just makes you an asshole
19:02 < kanzure> yes but you have to be an *effective* asshole
19:02 < lichen> doesnt make me hate you any less for it
19:03 < kanzure> for being an asshole?
19:03 < lichen> if youre manipulative to me or anyone i care about im going to hold it against you
19:04 < kanzure> what about essays? aren't those supposed to be persuasive?
19:04 < kanzure> or i guess i should say debate
19:04 < kanzure> debates are supposed to persuade, etc. etc.
19:04 < lichen> there's a subtle difference there
19:04 < kanzure> yes?
19:04 < lichen> but once again we're coming down to semantics
19:04 < strangewarp> There's a difference between impassioned oratory and following a script, I imagine is the point
19:04 < lichen> manipulation is a different beast
19:04 < kanzure> lichen: i don't have a strong opinion about this, so i'm trying to see what your opinion is
19:04 < kanzure> ok, so manipulation is different
19:05 < lichen> persuasion and debate is about presenting facts/opinions in ways to show the other side where you're coming from
19:05 < lichen> where manipulation can be straight-up lying, abusing, and redirecting someone until they do what you want
19:05 < Vicarious> hi
19:06 < kanzure> i think it gets blury if you're an expert at persuasion
19:06 < lichen> im outta here, boyfriend's over
19:06 < lichen> later
19:06 < kanzure> seeya
19:06 < strangewarp> Oratory is honorable, and additionally an extremely useful skill to cultivate, since it encourages both clear thinking and clear communication, without having to fall back on any sort of mental script
19:06 < kanzure> what's wrong with scripting :(
19:06 < strangewarp> I am.. OK at it. Used to be abysmal
19:07 < Steel2> kanzure: Not necessarily my view, but the answer most often given is 'you're treating people like objects instead of people'
19:07 < Steel2> and in a sexual situation, it has some unfortunate overlaps with sexual objectification
19:07 < Steel2> again, NMV
19:08 < kanzure> are you saying that they claim that getting what you want is immoral?
19:08 < kanzure> or something
19:09 < Steel2> no, they claim that sexual objectification/treating people as things without agency is immoral/manipulating agency is immoral
19:09 < kanzure> i've been manipulating you to type messages into irc. is that immoral in their model?
19:09 < Steel2> it's not sexual objectification under a patriarchal society
19:09 < strangewarp> The goal of pickup is to reduce another person's actions to nodes in a predetermined decision-tree, and thereby you capture a person's attempts at choice, creating a situation where they either have to forcefully break the cycle or assent to ending up in bed.
19:10 < strangewarp> It's escalation, for skeevy reasons.
19:10 < kanzure> ok PUA is a different beast: originally i started by saying that those manipulative skills are generally useful
19:10 < strangewarp> oh ok
19:10 < Steel2> oh, I'll agree with that
19:10 < kanzure> lichen did not :|
19:10 < kanzure> w/e
19:10 < Steel2> we have more 'soft' definitions of manipulation
19:11 < Steel2> most people's definitions of manipulation inherently include intentional deceit
19:11 < Steel2> as opposed to rephrasing
19:11 < kanzure> deceit "to their ideal model of what they think you might represent" is a hard thing to prove because you have no idea what they are thinking; you can only rely on what has been said
19:11 < kanzure> (and your observations)
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19:12 < Steel2> correct
19:12 < Steel2> which is why in normal social situations, manipulation is often hard to prove
19:12 < kanzure> one time, i was on a flight from SF with this guy who was investing in this large real estate purchase in austin
19:12 < kanzure> something like $700 million USD
19:12 < kanzure> earlier that day a friend handed me a project about real estate marketing software
19:13 < kanzure> so i told him, yeah, i write software for real estate purchases between $900M and $5.5B
19:13 < kanzure> this wasn't really deceit: anyone could have originally written this software
19:13 < kanzure> and for all practical purposes, i might as well have been the one who wrote it
19:13 < kanzure> and as a bonus, i made an interesting contact
19:13 < Steel2> dude, I'm not judging shit like that.
19:14 < kanzure> you already made that clear :p
19:14 < kanzure> yeah
19:14 < strangewarp> Capital encourages inauthenticity, and the more authentic one can be while attaining capital, the more praiseworthy it is. ... Though I have a feeling Marx is rolling in his grave over it
19:15 < Steel2> honestly, the more I give in to my objectifying side the more authentic I feel
19:15 < kanzure> what does "objectifiying side" mean
19:15 < Steel2> all people are objects that have certain functions relevant to my purposes ie tools
19:16 < kanzure> as opposed to what?
19:16 < Steel2> uh, presumable believing the fact they have hopes and dreams mean anything
19:16 < Steel2> I dunno, I'm bad at not treating people like tools
19:16 < kanzure> it does mean something: those things influence the person and you can use that to predict their behavior
19:16 < Steel2> hopes and dreams are just levers and vectors to indicate the use of a tool >_>
19:16 < strangewarp> People do tend to be massive tools, yeah
19:16 < Steel2> yeah, exactly
19:17 < strangewarp> ;)
19:17 < kanzure> ok.. so again i don't see why you said "side"
19:17 < kanzure> you have not indicated what the alternative is
19:17 < Steel2> ignoring social analysis and going with the flow, iunno
19:17 < Steel2> not being myself
19:17 < kanzure> not being yourself sounds pretty hard
19:17 < delinquentme> GEH
19:17 < Steel2> on the other hand, sexual objectification is still dumb
19:17 < delinquentme> it looks like mechanize derives all its actions from a form element
19:18 < kanzure> delinquentme: yes
19:18 < delinquentme> kanzure, you say this like you know
19:18 < delinquentme> ?
19:18 < kanzure> delinquentme: i think you should just write a script to parse the html and choose which other links to parse
19:18 < kanzure> yeah i've used turk
19:18 < kanzure> in the past.
19:18 < delinquentme> whats turk?
19:18 < kanzure> i am not currently actively using amazon mturk
19:18 < kanzure> oh sorry
19:18 < kanzure> you said mechanize
19:18 < kanzure> right! i also have used mechanize
19:18 < delinquentme> yeahhh
19:18 < kanzure> >_<
19:18 < kanzure> well it doesn't matter. i've used both
19:19 < kanzure> i thought you said you were using mechanicalturk earlier today
19:19 < delinquentme> i just tweeted @tenderlove well see if he responds
19:19 < kanzure> but i see now that you said mechanize
19:19 < delinquentme> I can locate the shit with nokogiri
19:19 < delinquentme> but its a noko element instead of a mechanize
19:19 < kanzure> why is that problematic?
19:19 < kanzure> do this:
19:19 < delinquentme> yeah bc i cant call mechanize methods on it
19:19 < kanzure> some_noko_el.find("//div[@id='ohshit']")
19:20 < kanzure> you don't need the mechanize actions except for get/post
19:20 < delinquentme> can I coerce it into a mechanize element
19:20 < delinquentme> checkboxes?
19:20 < delinquentme> = true ?
19:20 < kanzure> checkboxes can be manipulated via the mechanize object
19:20 < delinquentme> if you can select them
19:20 < delinquentme> but I cant currently
19:20 < delinquentme> bc they're not inside a form
19:20 < kanzure> mechanize_agent.current_page.form_with(:name => "OH FUCK").checkboxes
19:21 < kanzure> or see .checkbox_with(:name => "checkbox name goes here")
19:21 < delinquentme> yeah but page.checkbox_with gives no method error
19:22 < kanzure> i didn't say page.checkbox_with :(
19:22 < delinquentme> and its not IN a form
19:22 < delinquentme> thats the issue
19:22 < delinquentme> form.action == awesome
19:22 < kanzure> checkbox1 = mechanize_agent.current_page.forms[0].checkboxes[0]
19:22 < delinquentme> the checkboxes I want arent within a form element to select
19:22 < kanzure> checkbox1.checked = true
19:22 < kanzure> delinquentme: give me the url
19:23 < delinquentme> http://www.annualreviews.org/toc/matsci/22/1
19:23 < kanzure> where is the checkbox on this page?
19:23 < kanzure> oh i see
19:23 < kanzure> checkbox1.checked = trueou aiming for?
19:23 < kanzure> ieijfkajsdklf
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19:23 < kanzure> which checkboxes are you aiming for?
19:23 < delinquentme> id = selectAllCB
19:24 < kanzure> ok one sec
19:24 < delinquentme> select / unselect all reviews
19:24 < kanzure> booting up irb :(
19:24 < delinquentme> sure
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19:25 < kanzure> page = agent.get("http://www.annualreviews.org/toc/matsci/22/1")
19:25 < kanzure> oh well first
19:25 < kanzure> you should notice that there is only one form on the page (search box)
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19:25 < delinquentme> yeah
19:26 < delinquentme> and I dont need it
19:26 < kanzure> the select box and checkboxes are controlled by javascript callbacks
19:26 < kanzure> so, even if you did select "select / unselect all reviews" in mechanize, it wouldn't do anything
19:26 < kanzure> you have to select the checkboxes that you want manually
19:26 < delinquentme> Manually != by clicking in browser
19:27 < delinquentme> how automate
19:27 < delinquentme> ?
19:27 < kanzure> loop through all the checkboxes and select them :)
19:27 < delinquentme> with what
19:27 < delinquentme> nokogiri?
19:27 < kanzure> also .. for the "form" submission.. look at the definition of bulkChange in their javascript
19:27 < kanzure> one sec..
19:28 < kanzure> >> page.search("//input[@type='checkbox']").length
19:28 < kanzure> => 13
19:28 < delinquentme> yeah thats a nokogiri element
19:28 < kanzure> so?
19:28 < kanzure> you need to get their ids/names so that you can do agent.post() later
19:29 < delinquentme> how do you check that
19:29 < delinquentme> ohh you're saying in the post command post those as true
19:29 < kanzure> page.search("//input[@type='checkbox']").each do |checkbox| puts checkbox.name end
19:29 < kanzure> well not quite
19:29 < kanzure> you will need to see how the javascript posts this information
19:30 < kanzure> because they are not using form submission.. they are using a javascript callback handler to look at which elements on the page a user has selected or some shit
19:30 < delinquentme> this would be better with something like a browser emulator no?
19:30 < kanzure> *if* you were using phantomjs.. you would just call jQuery("#selectAllCB").click() heh
19:30 < delinquentme> but the one we used cant download shit
19:30 < kanzure> no it is able to download things
19:30 < delinquentme> yeah.
19:30 < delinquentme> where?
19:30 < kanzure> i fixed that.
19:30 < delinquentme> how
19:31 < delinquentme> is that in the new code?
19:31 < delinquentme> lol stupid issues piss me off.
19:31 < kanzure> you can do $.ajax calls in phantomjs to the target page that you want to download
19:32 < kanzure> then in your success callback you assume that everything in the first parameter (the "data" variable usually) is the content of the file
19:32 < delinquentme> show me what you're doing
19:32 < delinquentme> exampaulz
19:33 < kanzure> $.ajax({'type': 'POST', 'async': false, 'dataType': 'text', 'url': 'http://www.sciencedirect.com/science', 'data': citeform_data1, success: function(data, status, xhr) { console.log("in the callback handler for the citation fetcher"); bibtex_data = data; }});
19:34 < kanzure> oh that's right.. you can set async=false. i forgot about that.. would have saved my ass a week ago on something else.
19:34 < kanzure> documentation: http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/
19:35 < kanzure> anyway.. you can use mechanize for that page that you were showing me a few minutes ago
19:36 < kanzure> but again you will need to look at their javascript
19:36 < kanzure> to see how to construct your next POST request
19:36 < kanzure> i don't understand why you are clicking the checkbox anyway?
19:37 < kanzure> "Download Citations" in the select box always goes here:
19:37 < kanzure> http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1146/annurev.mr.22.072806.100001&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000245&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000323&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000403&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000515&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001005&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001101&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001131&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001213&doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001245&d
19:37 < kanzure> and you can figure out how to construct that link based on the contents of the page (looking at nokogiri objects)
19:37 < kanzure> it looks like it just needs a list of doi values
19:38 < kanzure> actually this is pretty easy
19:38 < delinquentme> so you're saying just build the URL
19:38 < kanzure> yes, one moment..
19:39 < delinquentme> yeah I got it .. modified the URL and it looks good.. removed that element off the page
19:39 < delinquentme> but yeah how do I get those items
19:39 < kanzure> one sec
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19:41 < kanzure> delinquentme: here you go
19:41 < kanzure> dois=[]; page.search("//a").each do |ahref| url=ahref.attributes["href"].text(); if url.include? "doi/abs" then dois << url.split("/doi/abs/")[1] end end
19:41 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.mr.22.072806.100001&
19:41 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000245&
19:41 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000323&
19:41 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000403&
19:41 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000515&
19:41 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001005&
19:42 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001101&
19:42 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001131&
19:42 < delinquentme> doi=10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.001213
19:42 < kanzure> oh, well my code is sorta broken
19:42 < delinquentme> so each has a link to their doi
19:42 < kanzure> dois=[]; page.search("//a").each do |ahref| url=ahref.attributes["href"].text(); if url.include? "doi/abs" then dois << url.split("/doi/abs/")[1].split("?")[0] end end
19:42 < kanzure> this will give you:
19:43 < kanzure> dois = ["10.1146/annurev.mr.22.072806.100001", "10.1146/annurev.ms.22.080192.000245", ...]
19:43 < kanzure> so to construct your url..
19:45 < delinquentme> f me in the a
19:45 < kanzure> afters = ""; dois.each do |doi| afters+="&doi="+doi end
19:45 < kanzure> url = "http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?" + afters
19:45 < delinquentme> i cant even find those DOis
19:45 < delinquentme> yeah i got the url
19:45 < kanzure> huh? what about my dois=[] thing
19:45 < kanzure> i just showed you how to get them
19:45 < delinquentme> HAAAA
19:45 < delinquentme> and its in a fucking form
19:45 < delinquentme> tits
19:45 < delinquentme> yeah! i comprehend
19:45 < delinquentme> but how did you locate them
19:45 < delinquentme> im looking at the hrefs
19:46 < delinquentme> nm!
19:46 < delinquentme> see it
19:46 < kanzure> well first i looked at the html source
19:46 < kanzure> and i went to the name of an article on the page
19:46 < kanzure> and saw that the link had a doi
19:46 < kanzure> so i figured that each article listed on the page will have a link with its doi in the url
19:46 < kanzure> so you can confirm this real quick with:
19:47 < kanzure> page.search("//a").each do |ahref| puts ahref.attributes["href"].text(); end
19:47 < kanzure> so when i saw that, i saw 215 or 255 links (or something) and all the DOIs were there
19:47 < kanzure> so that's why i decided to write that huge blurb above
19:47 < kanzure> dois=[]; page.search("//a").each do |ahref| url=ahref.attributes["href"].text(); if url.include? "doi/abs" then dois << url.split("/doi/abs/")[1].split("?")[0] end end
19:48 < kanzure> actually.. the url that it spits out is much larger than the one you originally pasted
19:48 < kanzure> so i think there might be redundancies
19:48 < kanzure> or there might be a max limit that their service imposes.. in which case you will have to manually split the list up into groups of 10 or whatever the max is (maybe it's not 10, but 9; or maybe there's no limit at all in the first place)
19:49 < delinquentme> fuck ye.
19:49 < delinquentme> DIS WHUT WANT
19:50 < delinquentme> yeah you're thinking what im thinking
19:50 < delinquentme> im gonna try to build a massive query
19:50 < delinquentme> bc tits and giggles
19:51 < kanzure> so look at this..
19:51 < kanzure> afters = ""; dois.each do |doi| afters+="&doi="+doi end
19:51 < kanzure> url = "http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?" + afters
19:51 < kanzure> page2 = agent.get(url)
19:51 < kanzure> form1 = page2.form_with(:action => "/action/downloadCitation")
19:51 < delinquentme> ^^wut^^
19:52 < delinquentme> what are you exaplaining how to do?
19:52 < kanzure> form1.radiobutton_with(:value => "bibtex").checked = true
19:52 < kanzure> just follow along
19:52 < delinquentme> ohh nah im good with the mechanize objects
19:53 < kanzure> form1.submit
19:53 < kanzure> well..
19:53 < kanzure> page3 = form1.submit
19:53 < kanzure> oh crud "multiple radiobuttons are selected" ok well that should be easy to fix
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19:54 < delinquentme> im just gonna open that page and run 2 actions lol
19:54 < delinquentme> you're a hacker @ heart eh kanzure ?
19:54 < kanzure> hackers gonna hack
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19:55 < delinquentme> BWAHAHAHAHAHA
19:55 < kanzure> yashgaroth: if you can comprehend this message then you are not yet drinking hard enough tonight
19:56 < yashgaroth> I've devolved into video games, also not enough booze
20:00 < kanzure> delinquentme: have you grabbed the bibtex output yet?
20:00 < delinquentme> nope
20:00 < kanzure> stuck?
20:01 < delinquentme> selecting out links from http://www.annualreviews.org/loi/matsci
20:02 < delinquentme> waiaaaiai
20:02 < delinquentme> don tell me
20:02 < kanzure> back to the 70s.. nice
20:07 < delinquentme> nice
20:10 < Steel2> yashgaroth, what are you playing
20:10 < yashgaroth> world of tanks, for some reason
20:10 < Steel2> ah
20:10 < Steel2> thinking of pulling up some more T:A
20:11 < Steel2> but I'm watching a stream
20:11 < yashgaroth> the mlg tourney?
20:12 < Steel2> no, I don't watch sc2 lol
20:12 < Steel2> watching some random gw stream
20:12 < yashgaroth> hey man esports are the future and stuff
20:12 < Steel2> no, it's more I find both sc2 and moba games boring
20:12 < Steel2> I'd probably watch competitive gw2
20:13 < yashgaroth> true
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20:20 < delinquentme> damn it feels good getting away w shit
20:21 < kanzure> delinquentme: you also need the right music
20:21 < kanzure> http://player.streamtheworld.com/_core/assets/swf/liveplayer.swf?stamp=1221763875&callsign=KROXFM&streamid=5813&shownowplaying=1&adstype=NOADS&zoneid=0
20:21 < delinquentme> =] not bad !
20:21 < delinquentme> i should switch to the high test huh
20:21 < kanzure> it's a program from a town i used to live in (buda, texas)
20:21 < kanzure> called 'no control radio'
20:22 < delinquentme> was dubstepping while I was troubleshooting
20:22 < kanzure> plays black metal on friday/saturday nights
20:22 < delinquentme> but now im plowing sooooo
20:22 < delinquentme> mejal :D
20:22 < strangewarp> hmm
20:23 < strangewarp> kanzure: check out Enslaved. Lovely black metal band. Has had a career that's veered between prog and RAWGH but the quality has always been high
20:23 < kanzure> i know nothing of bands
20:23 < kanzure> or.. well. yeah okay nothing.
20:23 < strangewarp> Vertebrae is my favorite album from Enslaved, though their fans didn't like it quite as much because it wasn't as heavy as their usual output
20:26 < strangewarp> Also, another good black metal band is Solefald - at least, on some of their albums. "Neonism" and "In Harmonia Universali" in particular. They have this lovely combination of modernist aesthetic, compelling riffs, and weird shit, which is irresistible to my musician/transhumanist/artist sensibilities
20:28 < delinquentme> EWWWWW
20:28 < delinquentme> kanz
20:29 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3m3pM3Z-8Q&ob=av2e
20:29 < delinquentme> dis.
20:30 < strangewarp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMabfnT_bNs - dis too, natch
20:30  * strangewarp linksniping q:|
20:31 < kanzure> win 4
20:31 < kanzure> eweqeqqeq
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20:33 < strangewarp> hmm, so it's metalcore vs metal
20:33 < strangewarp> metal wins
20:33 < delinquentme> +}
20:33 < strangewarp> :p
20:35 < strangewarp> I dunno, I like my metal brainy and/or bleak; angry stuff with core riffs has never been very appealing to me
20:35 < strangewarp> From the looks of it though, the current form of metalcore has his some sort of demographic sweet-spot
20:35 < strangewarp> his = hit*
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20:37 < strangewarp> Because: 4 million views? what the hot hell
20:40 < kanzure> have you ever hunted down a cricket in your yard just to make it stop singing?
20:40 < kanzure> took me a minute but i got the bastard
20:40 < strangewarp> FUCK CRICKETS
20:40 < kanzure> relocated his ass to the other apartment complex
20:40 < strangewarp> Have you ever seen a two-foot-long nematomorph burst out of a cricket that you smashed indoors, tie itself into a knot, and try to wiggle away?
20:40 < strangewarp> fuck that
20:40 < strangewarp> fuck that forever
20:41 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nematomorpha
20:42 < kanzure> well this sounds cool.
20:43 < virnovus> heh
20:43 < kanzure> "In Spinochordodes tellinii, which has orthopterans as its vector, the infection acts on the insect's brain and causes it to seek water and drown itself, thus returning the nematomorph to water.[6] They are also remarkably able to survive the predation of their host, being able to wriggle out of the predator that has eaten the host."
20:44 < strangewarp> yes exactly. fuck nematomorphs they are horrible
20:44 < kanzure> up to six feet long?
20:44 < strangewarp> yes
20:47 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76BnVsaLiR0
20:47 < kanzure> neat.. mimic proteins
20:48 < kanzure> nature looks like it is having problems
20:48 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/suppinfo/440756a.html
20:49 < strangewarp> no!! why are they fascinating
20:49 < strangewarp> stop that
20:49 < kanzure> #replaceStylesheet ("${common}/style/layout.css" "${common}/style/layout_article_related.css") #set($tmp = $cssStylesheets.remove("${common}/style/layout_wide_banner.css")) #set($tmp = $cssStylesheets.add("${directoryCSS}/article_related.css")) #cparse("${common}/includes/global.style.fhtml")
20:49 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/common/style/article_related.css
20:50 < kanzure> hrm.
20:50 < kanzure> i'm not really sure what they are using to generate their pages
20:51 < kanzure> "#replaceStylesheet" doesn't look familiar to me
20:51 < kanzure> delinquentme: how goes it?
20:51 < strangewarp> They're using IRC, obviously
20:52 < delinquentme> awsomlah
20:53 < delinquentme> fucking stellar
20:53 < delinquentme> i gotta relocate in aminute
20:54 < delinquentme> haaa
20:54 < delinquentme> http://www.annualreviews.org/action/showCitFormats?doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100359&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095803&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095806&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100351&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100429&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100431&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100425&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100448&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100341&doi
20:54 < delinquentme> =10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100344&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100434&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100437&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-095759&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100347&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100442&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100445&doi=10.1146/annurev-matsci-062910-100453&
20:54 < delinquentme> just built that
20:54 < delinquentme> OK
20:54 < delinquentme> relocate
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21:00 < strangewarp> Urgh
21:01 < strangewarp> Whyyy am I a district delegate...
21:01 < virnovus> district delegate?
21:01 < strangewarp> I'm just going to show up in a T-shirt, pretend to be 18 and stupid, and try to do as little as possible
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21:01 < strangewarp> Sorry, county delegate. Democratic party local primaries. Bluh
21:02 < virnovus> oh
21:02 < joshcryer> Sweet, free trip to NC.
21:02 < ybit> kanzure: did you ever renew openmanufacturing.org, there's some guy, david winslow, contacting me about it
21:02 < virnovus> do your part for democracy!
21:03 < ybit> he googled around and found the post mentioning i didn't know what to do with it
21:03 < virnovus> oh, does anyone remember those two indians i mentioned earlier?
21:04 < virnovus> they came over, looking for weed
21:04 < ybit> he has been working on free dnc software
21:04 < virnovus> my brother had some, so i said, ok, they can smoke some
21:04 < jrayhawk> Domain Name:OPENMANUFACTURING.ORG
21:04 < jrayhawk> Expiration Date:14-Jan-2013 00:41:34 UTC
21:04 < virnovus> but it was really weak
21:04 < jrayhawk> Registrant Name:Jeff Moe
21:05 < virnovus> and i didn't want them to smoke it all so i spiked it with jwh-018
21:05 < virnovus> so they were too messed up to drive home so they crashed on the couch
21:06 < strangewarp> Mmm... that's a good idea
21:07 < strangewarp> Sleep hard like I'm messed up on something :P
21:07 < kanzure> ybit: no i didn't do anything with it
21:07 < kanzure> ybit: no i didn't renew
21:07 < ybit> got it
21:08 < ybit> so it belongs to jeff moe
21:08 < ybit> from aleph objects inc.
21:08 < kanzure> jeff comes in here from time to time
21:08 < jrayhawk> 'jebba'
21:08 < kanzure> ah yes
21:09 < virnovus> the girl used to be cute, but now she kind of smells like old baloney
21:09 < virnovus> not sure why
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21:10 < delinquentme> ZOMG
21:10 < delinquentme> LUV
21:10 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i can't help but notice
21:10 < kanzure> that in my pokemon crystal rom
21:10 < kanzure> TOP 00000 0
21:10 < kanzure> GET  HTTP/1.0
21:10 < kanzure> User-Agent: CGB-
21:11 < kanzure> i am very confused.
21:11 < jrayhawk> whaaaa
21:11 < kanzure> near 0x112100
21:11 < kanzure> md5 9f2922b235a5eeb78d65594e82ef5dde
21:11 < jrayhawk> Is the pokemon sharing crap done over HTTP?
21:12 < kanzure> trading? no
21:12 < kanzure> it's some custom byte protocol
21:13 < delinquentme> wait
21:13 < delinquentme> what are you guys doing w pokemon?
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21:15 < joshcryer> I've been confused by the last, I guess, few hundred lines of chat, to be honest.
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21:15 < kanzure> delinquentme: i am writing source code to pokemon red.. it compiles bak into a working ROM
21:16 < kanzure> crystal is next on my list and for some reason it has HTTP support
21:16 < delinquentme> WHUT.
21:16 < delinquentme> REALLLY
21:16 < delinquentme> thats nuts
21:16 < delinquentme> how? its made for gameboy??
21:16 < kanzure> i don't know yet
21:18 < klafka> lol
21:19 < joshcryer> Still confused.
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21:26 < kanzure> joshcryer: ?
21:28 < sylph_mako> hey joshcryer where can I get more soundhelix configurations.
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21:29 < joshcryer> sylph_mako, hey sorry I was wrong, I had queued up the mp3s from their site and thought it was generating the music!
21:29 < sylph_mako> Hm.
21:30 < joshcryer> sylph_mako, apparently there's no way to make it randomly generate random pieces completely, you have to tell it do it with the xml files. :/
21:30 < sylph_mako> That's a bit odd, you'd think you could tell it to mix parts of those xml files.
21:30 < joshcryer> Yeah
21:31 < joshcryer> But maybe that's where the trick is, maybe your editing the files is what's creating the melody.
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21:34 < joshcryer> I'll try making a minimialist xml file, since many of the options are in fact optional.
21:37 < delinquentme> http://tenderlovemaking.com/2006/08/08/more-ruby-mechanize-dev/
21:37 < delinquentme> kanzure,
21:37 < delinquentme> it looks like you can select em like that
21:38 < kanzure> "if i don't sit like this, my reasoning skills will drop by 40%" ha i missed this the first time
21:39 < kanzure> *shrug* i don't think that's important
21:39 < kanzure> agent.click or radiobutton.clicked=true.. either way
21:47 < joshcryer> sylph_mako, looks like the arrangementEngine is key. And a lot of these options are not in fact optional. :/
21:55 < sylph_mako> that sounds kinda monolithic :(
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22:19 < joshcryer> sylph_mako, imo, the problem is visualizing the arrangement, you kind of need this but it should be randomizable, but some pieces would start off fast, end slow, etc.
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23:03 < kanzure> "I had a short internship with P&G Chemicals in the 12th grade.  I thought it was “cool” until I saw that the engineer I was talking to was running a reaction to make bubbles for soap. I would like the whole world to know this: Bubbles do not do anything to clean. They’re there to just make people who have no idea about the chemicals in their products think the soap works."
23:04 < kanzure> so: without bubbles, people think their soap is broken?
23:09 < klafka> hahahaha
23:09 < klafka> yes
23:09 < klafka> don't yo know that
23:10 < kanzure> "i'm sorry but your product does not produce enough bubbles"
23:11 < kanzure> insufficient bubble level
23:11 < JayDugger> Bubbles:soap::tail fins:cars.
23:12 < sylph_mako> I wonder what the world would be like if products were designed to appeal to the people who know how they work.
23:12 < kanzure> people buy cars without tail fins all the time
23:12 < JayDugger> I also buy soap that doesn't foam.
23:12 < JayDugger> My analogy still holds.
23:13 < JayDugger> Perhaps bubbles will go out of fashion too.
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23:15 < kanzure> google alerts emailed me an ok retrosynthesis document:
23:15 < kanzure> http://www.scribd.com/doc/86253883/Lecture-1-Retro-Synthesis
23:21 < JayDugger> Do y'all find Scribd a useful source of attention-worthy material?
23:22 < JayDugger> (Y'all serves as English's second person plural pronoun. Get over it.)
23:23 < kanzure> no, scribd is pretty awful
23:23 < kanzure> i would rank it somewhere between "experts sex change" and "expertsexchange"
23:24 < JayDugger> Thanks.
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23:31 < katsmeow-afk> doctor(s) and nurses(s) once told me the purpose of bubbles in Betadine was to physically lift more crud off whatever they were scrubbing, so more could be scrubbed off, and more easily rinsed off,, and no they would not use it without bubbles
23:32 < katsmeow-afk> that was 40+ years ago, i have not decided if i believe them or not yet
23:32 < kanzure> aren't you like, 17?
23:32 < JayDugger> Would you like to hear about a real-esatate investment opportunity?
23:32 < katsmeow-afk> Jay, nope, just got screwed in one , thanks
23:33 < katsmeow-afk> kansure, i am not 17
23:33 < JayDugger> You sure? I wouldn't offer it to just anyone. ;)
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23:33 < Mariu> see you guys
23:33 < katsmeow-afk> i'll get back to you on that
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23:39 < kanzure> "Hey guys - if you want to vote for me and my fellow rationalists Michael, Kevin, and Louie in the Humanity+ board elections next week, you can join here:"
23:39 < kanzure> "We plan to do more awesomeness like the Extreme Futurist Fest"
23:39 < kanzure> oh god.
23:39 < kanzure> how terrible.
23:39 < kanzure> who was it in here who went to that? someone was complaining about it
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23:41 < joshcryer> Was there food?
23:45 < JayDugger> Yes: irradiated wheatgrass juice fortified with GMO microalgae.
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