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00:50 < delinquentme> kanzure, stuff looking good
00:50 < delinquentme> rebooting
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09:06 < kanzure> man you've all been boring for the past eight hous
09:06 < kanzure> hours
09:08 < chris_99> heh, anyone know anything about ir spectroscopy?
09:10 < chris_99> ooh just found this http://www.threehillsobservatory.co.uk/astro/spectroscopy_11.htm
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09:15 < uniqanomaly_> http://www.reddit.com/r/transhumanism/comments/r6cek/computer_hackers_could_cross_line_from_computer/
09:15 < uniqanomaly_> the fuck
09:15 < uniqanomaly_> news.techworld.com/security/3345653/computer-hackers-could-cross-line-from-computer-to-biological-attacks-says-fortinet-researcher/?cmpid=TD1N2&no1x1&olo=daily%20newsletter *
09:15 < uniqanomaly_> sorry
09:16 < thesnark> ZomFG!!!!
09:16 < thesnark> SHUT.
09:16 < thesnark> DOWN.
09:16 < thesnark> EVERYTHING.
09:16 < ThomasEgi> ... start with that guy^
09:17 < uniqanomaly_> 1) write a virus 2) find cure 3) ... 4) profit
09:20 < uniqanomaly_> why these fuckers even write articles like that
09:21 < ThomasEgi> attention whores?
09:22 < kanzure> hmm so a virus that is both software+biology
09:22 < kanzure> i think that's doable
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09:22 < kanzure> but i don't see how a sequenced genome could infect software
09:22 < kanzure> the only thing it would be useful for is transmitting the sequence digitally
09:23 < ThomasEgi> just ignore those articles.
09:23 < kanzure> perhaps as part of a fairly non-obvious genome
09:23 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: no no, i'm thinking how i would do that
09:23 < ThomasEgi> unless you have propper was to translate between dna and digital world. the whole idea is nonsense
09:23 < kanzure> yeah.. you read dna into bytes
09:23 < ThomasEgi> *ways
09:23 < kanzure> this is done all the time
09:23 < ThomasEgi> yeah but.. you do this in a lab
09:23 < kanzure> it's alled dna sequencing
09:23 < kanzure> yes.. and things get sequenced all the time
09:23 < ThomasEgi> it wont just.. happen when someone sits in front of a computer
09:24 < kanzure> i don't think that's my claim?
09:25 < ThomasEgi> i was commenting on the "how gnomes could infect software" from the article.
09:25 < kanzure> i think at best genomes can be sequenced which will "infect" the data repository
09:25 < kanzure> with the sequence..
09:26 < uniqanomaly_> hmm, viruses targeting sequencing companies and hardware
09:26 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: the only advantage of that.. is that at some point, when the genome is running in an organism, the proteins would be created
09:28 < uniqanomaly_> bleh dna synthesis companies and hardware
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10:13 < audy> kanzure engineered virus forces victim to write computer virus
10:13 < audy> kanzure or just smash computers
10:13 < audy> (easier)
10:14 < audy> virus.fasta ?
10:14 < audy> maybe someone in #estoeric knows a computer language that consists of only G, A, T & C
10:16 < kanzure> i doubt someone would be stupid enough to run their .fasta file as an executable esoteric GATC language
10:17 < kanzure> i forgot how much i liked death note
10:18 < audy> #!/usr/bin/env esoteric_gatc_language
10:18 < kanzure> audy: just sequencing is enough to proliferate the sequence
10:18 < audy> Rover finds martians, second rover launched with illumine machine. Alien genome actually a computer virus
10:18 < kanzure> someone will probably synthesize it at some point in the future
10:19 < audy> Ah, reproduction via sequencing and synthesis
10:19 < kanzure> well? isn't that how all the other viruses do it?
10:19 < audy> that is interesting. But whatever the genome makes would have to be appealing
10:19 < audy> kanzure never thought of it like that
10:23 < Urchin> you could say that a regular old virus is actually a computer virus as well
10:24 < Urchin> molecular assembly hacking virus to be specific
10:24 < kanzure> "actually a computer virus" you have your priorities upside down :P biotics came first
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10:32 < Urchin> no, I don't a ribosome's operations do remind a lot of a Turing's machine
10:32 < Urchin> may even come closer than actual computers
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10:52 < delinquentme_> kanzure,
10:52 < delinquentme_> it is approaching
10:52 < delinquentme_> at least for annualreviews
10:53 < delinquentme_> thoughts on if I should cron job this?
10:57 < kanzure> not yet.. but probably, yes
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11:05 < audy> Urchin how does a ribosome resemble a turing machine?
11:08 < audy> Urchin I'm from a biology background so maybe I just don't understand turing machines well enough but wouldn't a Ribosome need to be able to read and write in both directions?
11:17 < Urchin> it would depend on the program, actually
11:18 < Urchin> these are structured so it doesn't have to switch directions
11:21 < Urchin> from what I understand about ribosomes they have an equivilent of every significant feature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine#Informal_description
11:23 < delinquentme_> I have a PHD from the Academy of Spirituality & Paranormal Studies, Inc.
11:23 < delinquentme_> TRUE
11:23 < delinquentme_> LOL
11:23 < delinquentme_> anyone know where to get high res images of diplomas from different schools?
11:24 < katsmeow-afk> "wait in the doctor's office with your camera, please, he'll be with you shortly, in an hour or two"
11:25 < delinquentme_> id love to make something that would generate diplomas
11:25 < delinquentme_> LULz would piss lots of people off
11:26 < katsmeow-afk> the important places verify
11:28 < kanzure> nobody has ever verified my diplomas
11:28 < katsmeow-afk> who do you work for?
11:28 < kanzure> various startups
11:28 < katsmeow-afk> </rhetoric>
11:28 < kanzure> delinquentme_: there used to be some sites that generated diploma images.. does that count?
11:30 < delinquentme_> thats exactly what im talking about!
11:30 < delinquentme_> lololol
11:30 < chris_99> why don't you print your own money while you're at it delinquentme_ ;)
11:31 < delinquentme_> chris_99, im not trying to bankrupt the US ... only the schools within it :D
11:31 < kanzure> "printing diplomas? it's like printing money!"
11:31 < delinquentme_> im a little right of chaotic neutral
11:31 < delinquentme_> lololol
11:31 < chris_99> hehe
11:31 < kanzure> delinquentme_: no..
11:31 < kanzure> the real way to go about doing it
11:31 < kanzure> is to start a company that verifies diplomas
11:32 < kanzure> and then you extort the person that a company is verifying
11:32 < delinquentme_> haha ohhh man
11:32 < katsmeow-afk> get insurance for when you cost someone a job that actually has a valid diploma
11:32 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: *invalid?
11:33 < katsmeow-afk> has valid diploma, but you error and say it's invalid, they lose job, they sue you
11:33 < kanzure> oh, you only extort the people that have invalid ones
11:33 < kanzure> you verify with the universities
11:34 < katsmeow-afk> i was speaking outside the area of extortion
11:34 < katsmeow-afk> unis have known to make mistakes too, tho in that case you might be able to pass the lawsuit along to the uni
11:39 < katsmeow-afk> to get usrda of dietary choline from peanut butter, a tablespoon every 30 minutes during a 12hr day
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11:48 < delinquentme_> are pass-through variables necessarily bad practices?
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11:48 < delinquentme_> no operations in the method ... just pushing them through to the next method which actually uses them
11:51 < kanzure> delinquentme_: no.. but you might want to consider using classes?
11:51 < kanzure> hi lichen
11:55 < delinquentme_> true...
11:56 < lichen> hi
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12:29 < Mariu> =]
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12:45 < delinquentme_> HOWDAH
12:56 < jrayhawk> DXHR for $7.50 http://store.steampowered.com/sale/squareenixweekend2012
12:57 < bkero> osnap
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13:21 < ThomasEgi> oh.. y u send me thos links?
13:21 < ThomasEgi> i have work to do!
13:21 < jrayhawk> destroying a police station with soda machines is far more important
13:22 < ThomasEgi> of cour.. wait.. who told you bout my plan?
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14:12 < archels> jrayhawk: damn it, PayPal payment processing seems to be borked
14:13 < kanzure> uh yes
14:13 < kanzure> don't use paypal :(
14:14 < archels> I don't have my credit card handy
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14:30 < ybit> http://shoals.sam.usace.army.mil/ :: how is this done
14:30 < sylph_mako> Use cashsender. They're the cheapest and most legit. [I don't know what you're talking about and just wanted to mention cashsender for being the cheapest and most legit]
14:31 < sylph_mako> [it probably wouldn't do.]
14:31 < ybit> how do they determine the distance from the plane to the water surface and then to the bottom
14:32 < kanzure> wait they call it "bathymetry"?
14:32 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathymetry
14:33 < kanzure> hah alright.. whatever
14:33 < ybit> couple whatever it is they are doing with a uav and my osm endeavors suddenly become a little easier
14:33 < ybit> openstreetmap*
14:35 < kanzure> fenn: can i call upon your services to attend this?
14:35 < kanzure> Hear about Synthetic Biology at DNA2.0 by Madhuri Ganta
14:35 < kanzure> http://www.meetup.com/BioCurious/events/56742062/
14:35 < kanzure> dna2.0 is a gene synthesis outfit
14:38 < ybit> google to the rescue
14:53 < klafka> ooh
14:53 < klafka> 20 bucks
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14:55 < klafka> that's fascinating
14:55 < klafka> they are in my companies town
14:56 < klafka> oh like tjey are near the ghetto
15:03 < kanzure> klafka: biocurious?
15:05 < klafka> no dna2.0
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16:30 < kanzure> "For example, many of the new space private companies have connections with the Foundation for the Future, which has been accused of racist and eugenic philosophies [3]."
16:30 < kanzure> uhuh..
16:30 < kanzure> "Not to mention the vaguely eugenic rhetoric by some singularity advocates [4], a post biological view in which many in the new space industry are enrolled [5]. Note: I'm not saying that all private space companies are run by eugenicists, or that all trans-humanists are eugenicists either, simply that this connection is there and it is dangerous."
16:35 < Steel2> who's this from kanz
16:36 < kanzure> some trash site
16:37 < Steel2> which?
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17:26 < katsmeow-afk> isn't a private space corp due to launch to dock with the space station next month?
17:26 < katsmeow-afk> i read they launch in april and dock in May
17:26 < Replop> which one ?
17:27 < Replop> I didn't think SpaceX was ready so soon
17:27 < katsmeow-afk> i forget, no one else cared, so it wasn'timportant
17:27 < Replop> it would be a milestone for the space industry
17:27 < katsmeow-afk> iagree
17:28 < Replop> and we need cheap space access for any later ambitious project
17:28 < Replop> maybe not any.
17:28 < ParahSailin> boeing is 'private' and their craft have docked with space stations
17:28 < ParahSailin> theirs just came with nasa painted on instead of boeing
17:29 < katsmeow-afk> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=April+private+space+station+dock+May
17:29 < Replop> yes, but SpaceX also  work on neat reusable designs
17:30 < ParahSailin> that is the part that actually differentiates them from other nasa contractors
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17:36 < n_bentha> april 30th, right?
17:36 < n_bentha> we need to clear up space debris first!
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17:36 < ParahSailin> http://www.zmescience.com/space/spacex-founder-500-000-trip-mars/
17:36 < n_bentha> either drop it back down to the atmosphere or put it in one place so we can use it when we build things in space
17:37 < n_bentha> EDDE system looks promising
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17:38 < ParahSailin> id be suprised if 500k usd buys a stick of gum by the time humans land on mars
17:38 < n_bentha> ParahSailin: do you know they will be able to deal with wind-gusts affecting the deceleration burn on the return flight?
17:38 < n_bentha> haha, it's 500k/seat though...bulk pricing per se
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17:38 < ParahSailin> im very skeptical of that pr video they put out
17:38 < ParahSailin> the rendered video with music
17:39 < ParahSailin> ill believe it when they do it
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17:41 < ParahSailin> imo the real answer to space is a space cannon to lunch metal, fuel, and other dead stuff
17:41 < n_bentha> uhhh...u mean a space elevator?
17:42 < ParahSailin> a space cannon would work as the first stage, and youd only need a little bit of impulse as stage 2
17:42 < ParahSailin> an actual cannon
17:43 < Steel2> no
17:43 < Steel2> well
17:43 < Steel2> space cannon is a good first step
17:43 < Steel2> preferably you build a launch loop
17:43 < Replop> or a magnetic loop
17:43 < Replop> launch loop*
17:44 < Steel2> goddamn, Tsutomu Nihei's stuff is transhumanist but so fucking weird
17:44 < ParahSailin> space cannon is more elegant answer to reusability
17:44 < Steel2> launch loop is more efficient iirc
17:44 < ParahSailin> whats a launch loop
17:45 < Replop> linky to that weird japanese stuff ?
17:45 < n_bentha> they've launched the falcon 9 before...so i'm not quite sure what happened to it. the video clip cuts off when they put the dragon capsule into earth orbit
17:45 < Steel2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop
17:45 < Steel2> (note that launch loops can't be built yet, but they're considerably easier than space elevators)
17:46 < Steel2> well, small ones could
17:46 < n_bentha> i don't think it's easier than an elevator...
17:46 < Replop> if we talk about elegant solutions;  I like the Hastol  ( Hypersonic Airplane, Space Tether, Orbital Launch ) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-rocket_spacelaunch#Hypersonic_bolus_.28HASTOL.29   &  http://www.tethers.com/papers/HASTOLAIAAPaper.pdf
17:46 < Steel2> bentha, it's significantly easier
17:46 < Steel2> I dunno if you understand just how hard a space elevator is
17:46 < ParahSailin> by elegant i mean practicable with existing tech
17:46 < Replop> by that definition, a space elevator is out
17:47 < Steel2> a small space fountain could be built
17:48 < Steel2> Replop, you want a link to the one that makes the most sense or the one that makes the least sense? :P
17:48 < Replop> both links :D
17:48 < ParahSailin> space cannon with light as gun could fire off a 1000 kg projectile containing final chemical rocket stage at 3km/s
17:49 < Replop> 3 km/s isn't enough
17:49 < Replop> you need 11km/s
17:49 < Steel2> http://www.mangareader.net/1731/knights-of-sidonia.html makes decent sense
17:49 < ParahSailin> its enough as the _first_stage
17:49 < Steel2> http://mangafox.me/manga/blame/ fairly fucking confusing
17:49 < Replop> yes, of course.
17:50 < Replop> "Chapters 1-19: Read from left to right  ;   Chapters 20-66: Read from right to left"  Coherency, how far gone are you ?
17:52 < Steel2> BLAME?
17:52 < Steel2> it's not amazingly translated
17:52 < Steel2> and his stuff is confusing at the best of times
17:52 < Replop> I see
17:52 < Replop> dunno if I would have the patience to read this
17:52 < kanzure> blame is pretty good
17:53 < Steel2> tsutomu is one of the few scifi manga artists who's comfortable with fucking weird implications of high level bio/cogtech
17:53 < ParahSailin> http://quicklaunchinc.com
17:55 < Steel2> granted, half his stuff makes no sense
17:55 < Steel2> kanzure, have you read Knights of Sidonia at all yet?
17:55 < kanzure> no.
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17:56 < Steel2> my impression of blame was that the scattered tribes of humans seen were the remnants, and most people (from when the Net first started) had been wireheading for the last 3k years
17:56 < Replop> I am searching a mention of the acceleration whistanded by the payload , on that quicklaunch system
17:57 < Replop> seen any ?
17:57 < ParahSailin> dont launch people with that system is the answer
17:57 < Replop> yeah, but there are lots of other sensitive stuff.
17:58 < ParahSailin> electronics are pretty easy to g-harden
17:58 < Replop> but at last it may be good to resuply orbital fuel depots
17:58 < ParahSailin> the artillery people have been doing that for decades
17:58 < ParahSailin> pot it in epoxy
17:58 < Replop> once again, military technologies comes to the rescue :D
17:59 < katsmeow-afk> "ok, the astronauts are potted, and have no clue what we are about to do to them"
18:01 < katsmeow-afk> "potted" being slang for "drunk"
18:02 < ParahSailin> you one of those eniglish?
18:02 < ParahSailin> do you guys really say 'ta' for thx?
18:03  * katsmeow-afk has never been to Britain
18:11 < katsmeow-afk> anyone know what a Sagian Multipette is?
18:12 < Replop> seems to be an  Automated Pipette Robot
18:12 < katsmeow-afk> someone in otehr channel cannot make it run, need help, want me to send them to here?
18:13 < katsmeow-afk> or not?
18:13 < Replop> only if someone  here seems used to it.  I never used that kind of lab equipment
18:14 < katsmeow-afk> ok, i won't mention it then
18:14 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: you're welcome to ask them to come in here
18:15 < kanzure> i think collectively we could figure out wtf is wrong with his machine.
18:16 < katsmeow-afk> ok......... i suggested it, nothing is happening tho
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18:17 < Gevallen_Engel> hello :)
18:17 < katsmeow-afk> ah
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18:18 < katsmeow-afk> give them the pics and explain here, Gevallen_Engel
18:18 < n_bentha> Ok so I like this quick-launch system for getting ppl to the moon.
18:18 < Replop> n_bentha: people ?
18:18 < Gevallen_Engel> http://imgur.com/a/EqVf9/all#0
18:19 < Gevallen_Engel> basically all it does is ask me to reset, but the stepper controller just beeps and goes right back to "please reset"
18:19 < kanzure> Gevallen_Engel: did you write the firmware?
18:19 < n_bentha> Replop: they get the fuel to get ppl to the moon.
18:19 < Replop> ^^
18:20 < n_bentha> It's a shame that the lunar soil doesn't have hydrogen :(
18:20 < kanzure> Gevallen_Engel: do you mean reset the software or reset the position?
18:20 < Replop> I presume he means "hit the reset button"
18:20 < Gevallen_Engel> By the manual it should reset the controller then return the head to home
18:20 < kanzure> have you tried manually returning the head to home
18:20 < Gevallen_Engel> and yes, the reset button on the hood
18:21 < n_bentha> At least it has oxygen and silicon and titanium and iron and aluminium. good building materials imho
18:21 < Gevallen_Engel> its hard to say where home is
18:21 < Gevallen_Engel> weighs 201 pounds though lol
18:21 < Gevallen_Engel> everything else seems to be functioning fine, just in standby
18:22 < Gevallen_Engel> I should also mention when it comes to these things Im a complete noob :P
18:22 < Gevallen_Engel> which probably complicates everything
18:22 < katsmeow-afk> and the cmos battery may be dead
18:22 < kanzure> Gevallen_Engel: can you describe the conditions you received this machine in?
18:22 < kanzure> new? used? working/non? has it ever worked
18:23 < Gevallen_Engel> I paid 20$ for it on a really badly listed ebay auction, supposedly pulled from a working enviroment.
18:23 < kanzure> alright
18:24 < Gevallen_Engel> Its in perfect shape aside from the scuffs outside, just a really heavy paperweight though.
18:24 < n_bentha> u got pics?
18:24 < kanzure> yeah, this sounds like a "manual reset to head" issue to me
18:24 < kanzure> the software also sounds a little suspicious
18:25 < Gevallen_Engel> its old, hard as hell to find and expensive
18:25 < kanzure> $20 is expensive?
18:25 < Gevallen_Engel> they quoted me 500$
18:25 < kanzure> who did
18:25 < Gevallen_Engel> beckman
18:25 < kanzure> to buy a new one?
18:25 < Gevallen_Engel> it fits on 3 floppy disks
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18:25 < Gevallen_Engel> for the software
18:25 < kanzure> ahahah
18:25 < kanzure> no man why would you pay for that
18:25 < kanzure> um.. hrm
18:26 < Gevallen_Engel> I wouldnt, however, it doesnt seem to exsist anywhere else
18:26 < Gevallen_Engel> still wouldnt though XD
18:26 < kanzure> well as far as i can tell the software shouldn't be that hard to write- it's just a pipetting machine right?
18:26 < Gevallen_Engel> yep
18:26 < kanzure> how are you debugging this?
18:27 < kanzure> just that small display?
18:27 < Gevallen_Engel> I have a chip burner but Ive yet to actually use it, nor do I know if it'll program those types
18:27 < Gevallen_Engel> yep
18:27 < Gevallen_Engel> it doesnt throw error codes, which is annoying since that would tell me something
18:28 < kanzure> does anything mechanically happen when you press "reset"
18:28 < Gevallen_Engel> nope
18:29 < Gevallen_Engel> the controller just beeps and it goes back to asking to be reset
18:29  * katsmeow-afk is reminded of some Tektronix and Dell equipment that will not do anything if the lil batteries are dead
18:29 < Gevallen_Engel> gotta go downstairs and grab my multimeter out of the car
18:29 < Gevallen_Engel> brb
18:30 < katsmeow-afk> "pulled from working environment 3 yrs ago and sat in a cold warehouse to kill the batteries"
18:33 < delinquentme_> kanzure, open source projects >> gem build .gemspec >> sucessful
18:33 < delinquentme_> how Do I then add some kind of print or log statements to let me get feedback as confirmation that I'm at the methods I think im at
18:33 < kanzure> delinquentme_: puts "da fuck?"
18:33 < delinquentme_> doesnt work
18:34 < kanzure> explain
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18:35 < delinquentme_> nm im not sure where im @
18:42 < Gevallen_Engel> Its dead
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18:43 < Replop> looks like serious issues
18:45 < delinquentme_> kanzure, ok so if i've got a 3rd party project, bundle it into a gem file .. and install that gemfile
18:46 < delinquentme_> to get output from another project calling one of those methods in that OS project... all that OS project needs is a print statement
18:47 < kanzure> Gevallen_Engel: i think i knew a fellow once who claimed he was a human multimeter
18:47 < kanzure> Gevallen_Engel: but it might be impractical to get him on the scene
18:47 < kanzure> delinquentme_: most gems do not print things out because it's considered poor form :x
18:47 < Gevallen_Engel> http://i.imgur.com/Hu8Mn.jpg
18:47 < kanzure> you should just raise errors or yield messages/events
18:48 < katsmeow-afk> so replace it
18:49 < katsmeow-afk> if it cannot power up it's memory, it wil never know it already asked you to hit reset, or what to do about it
18:49 < d3nd3> english please
18:50 < Gevallen_Engel> I'll have to pull it out of the machine :x lots of pictures to take first
18:50 < Gevallen_Engel> I also wondered what that pin header is for on the left
18:51 < kanzure> based on the images i am inclined to believe there's a lot of unnecessary equipment going on, inside there
18:51 < Gevallen_Engel> mostly stuff for the multipette head
18:52 < Gevallen_Engel> is it not bulky enough for a mini mill? Or maybe a 3d printer? :P unno
18:55 < delinquentme_> Gevallen_Engel, hacking cool stuff there :D
18:55 < Gevallen_Engel> thanks, I hope it teaches me something in the process
18:57 < delinquentme_> kanzure, any idea if the edits need to be commited w git to build correctly?
18:58 < kanzure> when making a gem? not sure
18:58 < Gevallen_Engel> Could I substitute the coincell with a aaa for now? >.>;
18:59 < Gevallen_Engel> well 2
19:06 < Steel2> how old is this thing Gevallen_Engel?
19:06 < Gevallen_Engel> 1998
19:08 < Gevallen_Engel> it has an rs232 port but without the software :\ no good I guess
19:13 < kanzure> you could replace the electronics with something you could program
19:13 < kanzure> but again.. i bet there's some simple mechanical adjustment that it is asking you to do here
19:14 < yashgaroth> I'm guessing it didn't come with the manual?
19:16 < Gevallen_Engel> nope :<
19:18 < yashgaroth> you uh...tried holding down the reset button?
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19:24 < Gevallen_Engel> yeah, it beeps rather annoyingly loud
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19:24  * katsmeow-afk approaches it with a hammer
19:25 < yashgaroth> indeed, next step is usually 'hit it'
19:25 < katsmeow-afk> i HATE beeping stuff, they never know what they are saying, and neither do i, and they won't stfu
19:29 < thylane> http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/teams
19:34 < Replop> 2015
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23:41 < Mariu> see you guys
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23:59 < kanzure> "The total value of all the organs in a human body is worth $46 million dollars on the black market, as far as transplants go."
23:59 < kanzure> reaallly
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