--- Log opened Thu Mar 29 00:00:12 2012 00:01 < Stee|> who's awake? 00:03 < delinquentme> barreeellyy 00:05 < Stee|> go to bed if you're tired bro :P 00:22 < delinquentme> almost! 00:25 < HEx1> barrelly, adv.: in the manner of a barrel? 00:35 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-131-65-213.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-0f.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-0f.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:38 -!- Vicarious [diepfriet@v.icario.us] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32 < fenn> rawr! sleep is for the sleepy 01:33 < fenn> "max reason" certainly sounds like a transhumanist moniker 01:40 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-239-9.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15 < lichen> this is kind of awkward to watch http://www.acceler8or.com/2012/03/acceler8or-tv-episode-1/ 02:21 < fenn> "today we introduce the future of man-machine computing" http://www.meanings.com/ 02:24 < lichen> does this have any info on their technology 02:24 < lichen> as in how it actually works or a working example 02:25 < fenn> um, prolly not 02:25 < lichen> well, more vaporware then 02:25 < fenn> not totally vaporware, there's some demo clips about halfway through 02:26 < lichen> also looks like they equate consciousness with intelligent translation 02:26 < lichen> questionable at the very least 02:26 < fenn> i agree 02:27 < fenn> in theory something like this should be possible; i think the people at numenta are making slow but steady progress 02:27 < lichen> yeah 02:27 < lichen> definitely 02:27 < lichen> just takes a very complex parser 02:27 < lichen> that can uniquely identify contextual meaning and record it in a specific enough data set 02:27 < lichen> a 'pivot language' i think is the term 02:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:30 < fenn> more updated version of meanings.com http://www.icegods.com/ 02:30 < fenn> you'd think he would just forward or at least link to it 02:31 < lichen> some people are just really absent-minded about those sorts of things 02:32 < lichen> im critical of their claim to have created consciousness in 88 02:38 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [] 02:38 < fenn> to be fair, he said "understood consciousness" 02:40 < lichen> Every conventional telepresence technology is utterly useless for space-development, because the speed-of-light limit imposes a delay of several minutes on every round-trip communication. Fortunately, we developed a revolutionary conceptual remote presence technology that lets our team explore and operate equipment at full speed in remote environments - efficiently, precisely, and without apparent communication delays. Impossible 02:40 < lichen> ? Not for us. 02:40 < lichen> yeah, that just screams vaporware 02:41 < lichen> unless they singlehandedly developed FTL signaling and are holding it back 02:42 < fenn> no, there are lots of examples of semi-autonomous robotic agents 02:42 < lichen> thats not what they implied 02:42 < fenn> "without apparent communication delays" is wrong 02:42 < lichen> yeah 02:45 < lichen> youd think in 20 years they would have brought their translator to market 02:47 < fenn> this is certainly not a business oriented individual 02:47 < lichen> indeed 02:47 < lichen> just wondering how theyre planning on funding their space colonization 02:48 < fenn> i'm unimpressed by the lack of demos 02:48 < lichen> or why their site is written like a plea to venture capitalists for startup funding 02:48 < fenn> "We are not a business venture. Therefore, we do not seek or solicit conventional investment. 02:50 < lichen> whats the point of the site 02:50 < lichen> if they give no useful information 02:50 < fenn> Our reward is ICE, extended life or immortality, and our hyper-technological endeavors in space. We do not seek fame, fortune or socio-political power." 02:50 < lichen> and arent seeking business publicity 02:50 < fenn> "The purpose of this web-site is to describe our endeavor in a general way, so serious individuals who share our goals, attitude and philosophy can work with us to achieve the future we describe." 02:51 < lichen> ah, cool 02:51 < lichen> i guess im just a bit put off by how vague they are 02:51 < lichen> like you mentioned, the lack of demos 02:52 < lichen> i like that they seem to be focused on practical application 04:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-0f.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-0f.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:16 < fenn> wow i forgot how quick the actual linux console is (ctrl-alt-f1) 04:18 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:18 < fenn> maybe it's just the key repeat rate or something but wow 04:18 < archels> http://www.tricorderproject.org/tricorder-mark2.html 04:19 < Mariu> Tricoder :o 04:19 < Mariu> nice !!! 04:19 < Mariu> hey guys 04:19 < fenn> now to figure out why i'm 2 gigs deep in swap space 04:20 < ThomasEgi> they are missing sensors for oxygen and dangerous gasses 04:20 < ThomasEgi> otherwise. instant buy for setting up in a subterrai city to suprevise conditions 04:22 < fenn> it needs a software defined radio and spectral analyzer (really just some FPGA's and a fast ADC) 04:23 < fenn> also a color sensor is no substitute for a spectrometer 04:23 < ThomasEgi> true. but then. building a spectrometer with a old scanner-sensor and a prism is not that difficult 04:25 < fenn> there are a lot of "not that difficult" things that tend not to get made 04:26 < ThomasEgi> they already have a DSP on the chip. guess a spectral analyzer wouldnt be that hard to implement 04:26 < archels> a more modular sensor board would be conducive to these developments 04:27 < fenn> you'd need a spectrum to analyze first 04:27 < fenn> ultrasonic distance sensor could provide some interesting data 04:27 < fenn> combined with optical flow tracking you could map the density of say, a wall 04:28 < fenn> with time domain reflectometry 04:29 < ThomasEgi> density? from distance? 04:29 < fenn> more or less 04:30 < fenn> acoustic impedance is proportional to density 04:30 < fenn> says he built a spectrometer with linear cmos chip, why isn't it listed? 04:32 < fenn> i don't think $500 is too much for a tricorder 04:32 < ThomasEgi> fenn, but for that you need to actually contact that material iirc 04:32 < fenn> why? gas is a fluid just like everything else 04:33 < fenn> you get better signal without that initial mismatch, but no idea if it actually matters 04:33 < fenn> non-contact just seems sexier 04:34 < fenn> all in all this is relatively well documented 04:34 < fenn> anyone know what software is used to make this image? 04:34 < fenn> http://www.tricorderproject.org/tricorder_images/tricorder_mk2_flowdiagram_fullres.jpg 04:35 < fenn> perhaps illustrator 04:36 < fenn> multimeter functionality would be nice 04:37 < fenn> i don't get why things like bitscope are so over-engineered 04:37 < fenn> 90% of the time all you need is a free pin on the FPGA, some resistors, and some zener diodes 04:41 < fenn> okay i'm about ready to quit using chrome, this is absurd 04:41 < ThomasEgi> fenn, are you an EE? 04:41 < fenn> um, i plead the 5th 04:42 < fenn> weird, "impedance matching" on the non-destructive testing education page only talks about electrical impedance 04:43 < fenn> (this is weeard because the whole science of non destructive testing is about impedance mismatch) 04:43 < ThomasEgi> hm. interesting thing you can do with ultrasonic equipment is messuring air-speed 04:44 < ThomasEgi> with 2 transceivers in 2d. with 3 you can get even 3d messuring 04:44 < katsmeow-afk> i plead an audio question: taking an audio spectrum analyser, capturing enough notch bandwidths to reproduce any sound a human speech makes, can any portion of the spectrum analyser output be fed thru those notch filters and be recogniseable speech? 04:44 < katsmeow-afk> and how close to human would it be? 04:45 < fenn> ThomasEgi: i'm over here picturing three nerds dancing in a circle waving their tricorders in the air 04:45 < fenn> they are all wearing federation uniforms 04:45 < fenn> katsmeow-afk: i believe that's how artificial cochlea implants work 04:45 < ThomasEgi> katsmeow-afk, like constructing a voice signal from as few sine-frequencies as possible? 04:46 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, pretty much that, amplitude modulated, of course 04:46 < fenn> ideally you'd use "magic" sine waves 04:46 < ThomasEgi> you can go quite low 04:46 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, but the artificial cochleas don't play back the sounds as sounds 04:47 < ThomasEgi> the less frequencies you use, the harder it becomes to figure out words. 04:47 < fenn> right, they transform the signal to neural spike trains, but you can reverse engineer how it would "sound" to the implantee 04:47 < katsmeow-afk> i imagine the sine wave phases may be important also 04:47 < ThomasEgi> hardly 04:47 < ThomasEgi> phase-information is critical for image processing. but for audio you can zero the phase out. 04:48 < katsmeow-afk> they must be phased right to make triangle and square waves from sines 04:48 < ThomasEgi> your ear doesnt care about sines or triangles 04:48 < fenn> ah here we go http://www.pbs.org/saf/1205/features/Interactive/channel1.htm 04:48 < ThomasEgi> it cares about frequencies that are in the actual signal 04:48 < katsmeow-afk> you can't hear the dif tween a square and a sine? 04:48 < fenn> square waves have tons of frequencies (every odd(?) harmonic) 04:49 < katsmeow-afk> and harmonics are phase aligned 04:49 < fenn> phase is very important in determining the spatial origin of a sound 04:50 < ThomasEgi> for lower frequencies yes. but it wont hurt the actual message you transport with words 04:50 < ThomasEgi> zero-ing out the phase information will not fubar the signal itself. unlike images 04:50 < katsmeow-afk> the audio signal may still be understood, but i wonder what data would be lost 04:51 < fenn> what corresponds to phase in images? (dumb question, i just don't know) 04:51 < ThomasEgi> fenn, edges 04:51 < katsmeow-afk> edge sharpess 04:51 < katsmeow-afk> ness 04:51 < fenn> ok so the position in the image 04:51 < fenn> is the "spatial phase" 04:51 < ThomasEgi> you can fft an image. and even out the amplitude. you will get nice edges on ifft 04:52 < ThomasEgi> if you flat the phase of an image.. you wont be able to detect anything 04:52 < archels> in determining the location of a sound, it is the phase relation between the amplitude in both ears, not the phase relation between the sines in the sound 04:52 < katsmeow-afk> arch, true, plus echos 04:52 < ThomasEgi> depends on the frequency. 04:52 < fenn> yep now complicate that with n acoustic sensors 04:53 < ThomasEgi> for lower frequencies it is mostly phase information as sound bends around the head and makes amplitudes almost equal. 04:53 < ThomasEgi> for higher frequencies phase wont work , but amplitude differences are more noticeable 04:53 < archels> indeed 04:53 < ThomasEgi> combination of both 04:53 < katsmeow-afk> but the human voice cannot produce a square wave anyhow, afaik, but harmonics can produce otehr waveforms, so i assume to be most natural sounding, the phases must be saved and reproduced,, but what if they aren't? 04:54 < ThomasEgi> katsmeow-afk, easy to find out :) 04:54 < ThomasEgi> fft an audiosignal. zero out phase, ifft 04:54 < katsmeow-afk> ThomasEgi, ever set up two tweeters in a hard room and crank them up to produce 17khz standing waves in the room? 04:54 < ThomasEgi> i have headphones 04:55 < katsmeow-afk> not the same 04:55 < ThomasEgi> to answer your question. i did not. all i ever did was producing standing waves in a tube 04:55 < ThomasEgi> it got on my nerves pretty fast tho 04:55 < katsmeow-afk> as you turn your head, your ears pass thru amplitude nulls and spikes 04:55 < fenn> i like the flame tube demo 04:56 < katsmeow-afk> or you can hold your head still, and someone move a tweeter 04:56 < fenn> wonder how a candle would react in that room 04:57 < katsmeow-afk> good question, static pressures cause by phase cancelations and reinforcing 04:57 < katsmeow-afk> such things have been used to make pumps 04:57 < katsmeow-afk> the candle may just blow around a lot 04:58 < ThomasEgi> if you are interested in what sounds would sound like. you may want to have a look at nyquist 04:59 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't suggest passbands width or digitising them 05:00 < fenn> nyquist: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/music.software.html 05:01 < katsmeow-afk> oh,, it's now the name of software 05:01 < fenn> possibly overkill for this application 05:02 < fenn> in general software shouldn't be named after phrases in the primary application domain 05:03 < ThomasEgi> you can write nyquist plugins for audacity. 05:03 < ThomasEgi> that makes it pretty easy to test your filters 05:04 * katsmeow-afk nods 05:09 < fenn> i'll probably end up using a lot of this tricorder cad work and software examples 05:09 < fenn> thanks! 05:12 < archels> Are you in the tricorder-X race, fenn? 05:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:15 < fenn> archels: no i'm in the do shit i want race 05:16 < fenn> i want to have lots of sensors stuck to me and monitoring the environment constantly, as a sensory augmentation platform 05:17 < fenn> little things like footprints for battery charge controllers and connectors add up to an unreasonably large time sink 05:20 < fenn> i bet the TAPR "non-commercial license" is going to bite them in the ass 05:20 < fenn> by them i mean everyone involved 05:22 < fenn> btw speaking of cd-rom parts as laser cutters http://www.tricorderproject.org/tricorder_pictures/projects/opensls_lasercutter.jpg 05:24 < ThomasEgi> hm... i'd like to get that laser 05:49 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:53 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:01 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:33 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@64.134.242.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:34 < delinquentme> HOWDAH 06:34 < delinquentme> I WANT TO BE IN SV 06:34 < delinquentme> NAO. 06:34 < delinquentme> Stee|, go. 06:34 < delinquentme> kanzure, wake up 06:35 < delinquentme> kanzure, kanzure 06:36 < fenn> delinquentme: weren't you roomates with nick pinkston at some point? 06:40 < delinquentme> fenn, ha! kind of yeah! 06:40 < delinquentme> did you meet him? 06:40 < delinquentme> hug him for me! 06:53 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56 < fenn> so swapoff -a followed by restarting chrome seems to have helped 07:04 < delinquentme> fenn, so what about pinkston ? did you run into him? 07:09 < kanzure> boop 07:10 < fenn> yeah he runs the hardware startup meetup 07:13 < delinquentme> yeahh true true 07:13 < delinquentme> fenn, are you working on hardware? 07:13 < delinquentme> kanzure, im learning OOP principles =/ 07:14 < delinquentme> i think i just need a stellar tutorial on class instance @@ vars 07:17 < kanzure> delinquentme: yeah i've met nick 07:17 < delinquentme> yeah yeah actually i was taking to fenn =P 07:17 < kanzure> backlog achievement: unlocked 07:18 < kanzure> hahah 07:18 < kanzure> i just got a linkedin request from michael andregg 07:19 < fenn> heh "now that i don't have to run that pesky company anymore... let's be friends" 07:19 < delinquentme> waiiiitttt 07:19 < kanzure> yep 07:19 < delinquentme> are they disbanding?? 07:19 < kanzure> liquidating 07:19 < kanzure> everyone is raiding them for equipment since last night 07:19 < delinquentme> oooo 07:19 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:20 < delinquentme> oh well! 07:20 < kanzure> HEY. weren't you the one who said they were infallible? 07:20 < fenn> i guess they never heard of the "pivot" concept 07:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, i liked them 07:21 < delinquentme> still do 07:22 < fenn> yes quite a disappointment 07:22 < delinquentme> but that was before oxford and the other general graphene pore 07:22 < fenn> i had hoped they would switch to serious nanotech development before the gig was up 07:22 < kanzure> < delinquentme> im saying that the longevity strat for halcyon is the fact that they're interested and theyre poised to survive 07:23 < kanzure> POISED TO SURVIVE 07:23 < kanzure> i quote directly sir 07:23 < fenn> i think he meant literally 07:23 < jcluck> lol 07:25 < fenn> i cant believe chrome a) had support for vertical tabs, and b) dumped it for no particular reason, and c) extensions can't fix this at all 07:26 < kanzure> tabs suck anyway 07:26 < fenn> what the hell do people at google do, keep everything open in emacs? 07:26 < fenn> have screens the size of the death star? 07:26 < kanzure> yes 07:26 < kanzure> there needs to be a better way to transition between tabs, bookmarks and cached stuff or newly-requested stuff 07:26 < fenn> once it gets so big you have to start rotating your head too much 07:27 < fenn> i agree, i think firefox is getting there with stuff like tab sets and saved sessions 07:27 < fenn> it's too bad fennec is a piece of shit 07:28 < kanzure> in the future everyone will be using webkit+python to navigate the web 07:28 < kanzure> and there will be peace. 07:28 < fenn> in the future computers will surf the web for us 07:28 < fenn> oh wait 07:29 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:29 < jcluck> in the future lynx will rein supreme 07:29 < fenn> some kinda NLP machine learning doohickey to automate surfraw would be hawt 07:30 < fenn> as it is people have to make scrapers by hand 07:30 < fenn> i'm not impressed with lynx 07:31 < fenn> links2 or even links2 -g is much better 07:31 < kanzure> nice someone finally made my gift reminder service thing http://www.giftdish.com/ 07:32 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-63.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-63.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:32 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:34 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:e48b:f0df:1352:931f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:39 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you want to be right or do you want to progress? 07:39 < delinquentme> if the latter i suggest you look at that JSON i sent 07:39 < delinquentme> and tell me what we nedz 07:39 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40 * fenn sleepz 07:42 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-71-59-241-82.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42 < delinquentme> kanzure, 07:42 < delinquentme> kanzure, 07:42 < delinquentme> do things. 07:42 < kanzure> delinquentme: yeah i looked at it yesterday 07:42 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-71-59-241-82.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:43 < delinquentme> so what json formatting 07:43 < kanzure> your json looks valid 07:43 < delinquentme> yeah it is 07:43 < delinquentme> so the answer is "whatever is valid JSON" 07:43 < delinquentme> i guess the traversal is all the same 07:43 < kanzure> as long as you keep the same json format 07:44 < delinquentme> kanzure, i miss halcyon 07:44 < kanzure> or roughly the same json format, with documentation 07:44 < kanzure> damn what happened to their site http://halcyonmolecular.com/ 07:44 < delinquentme> yeah! 07:44 < delinquentme> they stripped it 07:46 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoas-fe3ddd00-25.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:50 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoas-fe3ddd00-25.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:31 < jcluck> isndfuidaundsa 08:32 < jcluck> blackberry why must you be a pain only while I am writing important emails!!!!!!! 08:36 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@64.134.242.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:11 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-100.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@216.183.186.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-100.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:44 < delinquentme> ^^^^^^^^^^^ 09:48 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:56 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:20 < kanzure> http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2012/03/the-1000-genomes-project.html 10:20 < kanzure> "The data is vast (the current set weighs in at over 200Tb), so hosting the data on S3" 10:20 < kanzure> "today we're making the latest dataset available to all, including results from sequencing the DNA of approximately 1,700 people" 10:21 < kanzure> http://aws.amazon.com/1000genomes 10:21 < kanzure> ftp://ftp-trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1000genomes 10:21 < kanzure> ftp://ftp6.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ 10:21 < kanzure> ftp://ftp.1000genomes.ebi.ac.uk/vol1/ 10:31 < kanzure> fuck 1000. i want billions and trillions. 10:39 < ThomasEgi> well you have to start somewhere 10:47 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.184.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 < kanzure> "approximately 1,7000 people" because they can count basepairs but not people? 10:52 < kanzure> "biology isn't an exact science" 10:55 * Mokbortolan_ orders a 1mhz portable therapeutic ultrasound unit. 10:58 < ThomasEgi> 1mhz? not.. 1Mhz? 11:00 < kanzure> Mokbortolan_: i'd do some testing before using it on yourself 11:00 < kanzure> like on store-bought meats 11:01 < Mokbortolan_> it's a home-use model, do you really think it's dangerous? 11:01 < kanzure> depends on what you are using it for, yes 11:01 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.169.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 < kanzure> iirc some of the neural ultrasound stuff was 800 kilohertz to 1500 kilohertz 11:02 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.169.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02 < ThomasEgi> ... acustics.. at 1500khz??? 11:03 < Mokbortolan_> I was planning on using it on my wife's back 11:03 < Mokbortolan_> I hadn't heard about neural ultrasonics 11:03 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ 11:04 < kanzure> http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00147056 "MRI-Guided Focused Ultrasound Feasibility Study for Brain Tumors" 11:04 < kanzure> "A feasibility study for treatment of neuropathic pain has been completed at Zurich University & Kinderspital. The objective of the study was to replace the established minimally invasive procedure of Central Lateral Thalamotomy (RF-ablation) with MR guided focused ultrasound non-invasive procedure. Results so far: 10 patients were treated." 11:04 < Mokbortolan_> and/or contraceptive use 11:04 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.169.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Transcranial%20pulsed%20ultrasound%20stimulates%20intact%20brain%20circuits%20-%202010.pdf 11:05 < ThomasEgi> i have a really hard time imagining mechanical elements that can even reproduce such high frequencies. at least none that are bigger than some micrometers 11:06 < kanzure> well read the papers/patents in that folder 11:06 < Mokbortolan_> innnnteresting 11:07 < Mokbortolan_> I'm reading, but still more comfortable with tDCS :p 11:07 < kanzure> tdcs isn't specific enough 11:07 < kanzure> i want millimeter-level control of my brain 11:07 < kanzure> not "3x5 cm hunk" 11:08 < ThomasEgi> in that case. wave propagation wins over static fields. 11:09 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.169.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.169.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:33 < delinquentme> kanzure, I want to remove all these scrapers from the primary app dir ... /lib? or is there a better place to store these if I'd want to cron them out later? 11:36 < kanzure> you can store cron scripts wherever you like 11:37 < kanzure> /home/delinquentme/code/scrapers/something 11:37 < delinquentme> I mean im building this inside a rails app so I can run it on heroku 11:37 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.169.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37 < kanzure> i suggest sinatra 11:37 < delinquentme> rake tasks are apparently the way to go 11:37 < kanzure> no need for rails 11:38 < kanzure> yes.. it's an ok rake task 11:38 < kanzure> just set it up in a Rakefile. don't need rails for that. 11:38 < delinquentme> sinatra true 11:53 < katsmeow-afk> ThomasEgi, regarding small mechanical things operating at high freqs: SAW filter, which is itself merely a modified radio oscillator crystal, which may run 100Mhz, depending on the physical shape 11:54 < katsmeow-afk> i'd imagine with a tuned cavity, you could get very high freqs in sound, altho volume is going to be low, since air is really lossy 11:55 < ThomasEgi> that'd be the next issue. 11:58 < delinquentme> katsmeow-afk, ThomasEgi what are you guys oscilating? 11:59 < ThomasEgi> atm? nothing but pancakes over here^ 11:59 < katsmeow-afk> oh, something they were discussing while i was asleep, i was addressing only the physical tech of the mechanics moving fast 11:59 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-239-9.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 < katsmeow-afk> i remember when the first SAW "chips" were made, and humans were all "wow, amazing" aghast, when it was merely putting the electrodes on a pretty ordinary crystal in a different place 12:01 < katsmeow-afk> they'd been used in radio IF strips for decades before that as filters 12:03 < delinquentme> SAW = ? 12:03 < katsmeow-afk> surface accustic wave 12:04 < ThomasEgi> these days. saw are getting more popular in touchscreen applications. 12:08 < katsmeow-afk> i'd like to see what happens to a touch screen in a power generator gas turbine room, the sound level is so high your eyeballs get wripples in them, your bones shake to the point there's physical damage, and OSHA regs are no one goes into the room alone and no one for more than 10 minutes 12:09 < ThomasEgi> in that case.. you simply use an infrared based touchsollution 12:09 < ThomasEgi> and if the rooms shakes that hard.. you better shut it down and have that turbine fixed. 12:10 < katsmeow-afk> if you make money off the computer diagnosing mechanical systems like that based on the sound pressure activating a touch screen type of input device, just ask me where to send my royalties 12:10 < katsmeow-afk> ThomasEgi, it's real broadband, it's not a fault condition 12:11 < ThomasEgi> a turbine should run pretty smooth 12:11 < katsmeow-afk> just try to walk 10ft past a C130 APU running, i dare you, the megawatt generator is much much louder 12:13 < ThomasEgi> vibration , except from the one caused by the 8bladed propeller. shouldnt be that bad 12:13 < katsmeow-afk> it is "smooth", for something that's burning gallons of fuel per second 12:13 < katsmeow-afk> what 8-bladed propellor? 12:13 < ThomasEgi> loud like hell yeah. 12:13 < ThomasEgi> isnt a c130 a transport plane? 12:13 < katsmeow-afk> yeas 12:13 < ThomasEgi> oh. 6 blades 12:14 < ThomasEgi> well it was more than 4 at least 12:14 < katsmeow-afk> nono, 100's of blades, in the case of megawatt units: 1000 or more 12:15 < katsmeow-afk> couple this to a generator thru a bigass gearbox : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J85_ge_17a_turbojet_engine.jpg 12:16 < katsmeow-afk> not lil things like DesignerThinking.com/turbines.html , which i have some of 12:18 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-239-9.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:20 < ThomasEgi> shouldnt vibrate to the level to damage bones. 12:21 < ThomasEgi> wouldnt be good for the turbine either 12:21 < katsmeow-afk> didn't so much damage the bone, the bones vibrating damaged the soft tissues 12:22 < katsmeow-afk> you would get massive amounts of distributed bruising 12:23 < katsmeow-afk> not that you'd notice it for a while 12:24 < katsmeow-afk> the guy letting me into the generator room could have lost his job, but we knew each other, he was highly placed in the company, etc 12:25 < katsmeow-afk> and as for being around the C130 apu running, i was a civilian and wasn't supposed to be where i was, but you know how distractions happen 12:26 < katsmeow-afk> i knew enough to know about props, prop wash, etc 12:26 < katsmeow-afk> had done some touch-n-go landings in single engines, etc 12:37 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@216.183.186.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:41 -!- SolG [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 12:43 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:e48b:f0df:1352:931f] has quit [Quit: jmil] 12:44 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.185.195] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:18 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.185.195] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 < kanzure> Stee|: why'd you paste this ? http://pastebin.com/jMmg0Fic 13:25 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:27 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:42 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:5c0f:110a:2d3c:6515] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:44 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:50 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:08 -!- _sol_ [Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:5c0f:110a:2d3c:6515] has quit [Quit: jmil] 14:13 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 < kanzure> "His mother, Afeni, made the decision to tell the doctors to stop.[65][70] He was pronounced dead at 4:03 pm (PDT)[9] The official cause of death was noted as respiratory failure and cardiopulmonary arrest in connection with multiple gunshot wounds.[9] Shakur's body was cremated and some of his ashes were later mixed with marijuana and smoked by members of the Outlawz." 15:20 < kanzure> since when is iontorrent doing open source things? https://github.com/iontorrent 15:22 < kanzure> haha chris is charging people to watch the life extension conference videos. fuck that.. 15:22 < kanzure> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/29/synthetic-biology-best-hope-mankind 15:38 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50 < kanzure> "Becky McLain, a molecular biologist who won a 2010 lawsuit against her former employer, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, said the safety risks that may face workers in Richmond will be even more volatile than those she encountered in an embryonic stem cell lab." 15:51 < kanzure> "A federal jury awarded McLain $1.37 million in damages after she was exposed to a genetically engineered virus that caused her recurring paralysis and other illnesses." 15:52 < thylane> pfizer is engineering viruses? For what reason? 15:52 < yashgaroth> I used to not believe that story, until I heard more about pfizer's terrible worker safety 15:52 < yashgaroth> thylane they use viruses to deliver dna into cells, since they're very efficient 15:54 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:58 -!- roksprok [~Zac@74.83.205.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-3.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:01 < kanzure> "recurring paralysis" 16:02 < thylane> kanzure Yeah, but "pain and suffering" 16:03 < kanzure> i don't know of any paralysis that is recurring 16:04 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-87-105-21-100.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:04 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:05 < yashgaroth> sleep? 16:06 < kanzure> i would love to sue pfizer for having to sleep all the time 16:34 -!- robde [~robde@p5085AD21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 < kanzure> hi robde 16:35 < robde> hi 16:35 < robde> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/03/were-underestimating-the-risk-of-human-extinction/253821/ 16:35 < robde> what do you think about bostroms interview? 16:35 < AdrianG> recurring paralysis si not uncommon. 16:44 < kanzure> robde: i think his concept of risk is phony 16:45 < kanzure> robde: i think if he was serious about himself, he would stop writing literature about risks and start engineering solutions 16:45 < kanzure> the guy abducted anders sandberg and bitchslapped him into a phony philosophy writer, damn 16:46 < kanzure> a lot of bostrom's work seems very anti-transhumanist. he's no longer associated with the transhumanist orgs anyway. 16:53 < robde> :D, what do you mean exactly by phony? haw can a concept of risk be phony? 16:56 < uniqanomaly_> rotfl, negative correlation between fertility and intelligence is bigger risk of human extinction 16:56 < AdrianG> bostrom is no longer associated with transhumanism? 16:56 < uniqanomaly_> risk for* 16:57 < kanzure> AdrianG: no i said the orgs.. 16:57 < AdrianG> ok orgs 16:57 < kanzure> he probably thinks he's a transhumanist though 16:57 < AdrianG> oic 16:57 < kanzure> robde: i don't have a good answer for you. it's an unresolved issue with all these risk-orgs like siai, fhi etc. 16:58 < kanzure> maybe i should be complaining about the interpretation of risks 16:58 < kanzure> or what people think they can deduce from knowledge about risk-math 16:58 < kanzure> most of the time, they think the existence of a possible uncertain outcome means you should adopt a precautionary principle that ends up butthurting me 16:59 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- wudles [~wudles@gateway.secureinstrument.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 < n_bentha> Leroy Chiao is my heero 17:04 < kanzure> hi wudles 17:05 < kanzure> n_bentha: why's that? 17:08 < n_bentha> 36hrs spacewalking! 17:09 < n_bentha> 229 days in space! 17:11 < robde> kanzure: so, your fear is that overrating risks could lead to discredit technologies rashly? 17:11 < kanzure> heh i read you saying "36 hours spacewalking" (the leg movement) 17:11 < kanzure> robde: no 17:11 < n_bentha> LOL! 17:11 < kanzure> *the moonwalk 17:12 < n_bentha> Michael Jackson style 17:12 < n_bentha> Haha, the next time soemone goes to the moon, they have to do the moonwalk! 17:12 * Urchin is obviously not keeping up enough 17:12 < Urchin> what happened to Sandberg? 17:12 < kanzure> he writes risk-related literature at future-of-humanity institute 17:13 < kanzure> http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/ 17:13 < kanzure> i think the last thing i remember him contributing that was useful was the whole brain emulation roadmap in 2008? 17:14 < kanzure> although, he might have helped draft some recent review articles on technologies.. not sure. 17:14 < kanzure> "Since the implications of successful WBE are potentially very large the Future of Humanity Institute hosted a workshop in Oxford on 26-27 May, 2007. Invited experts from areas such as computational neuroscience, brain-scanning technology, computing, and neurobiology presented their findings and discussed the possibilities, problems and milestones that would have to be reached before WBE becomes feasible." 17:14 < kanzure> damn that was 2007? 17:14 < Urchin> damn, I don't even remember that one 17:14 < kanzure> oh it was pretty good 17:14 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf 17:16 < Urchin> I know him mostly for his SF, actually 17:16 < kanzure> robde: people use risks to justify their plans to reduce, stop or prevent technology development 17:17 < kanzure> robde: in the process, they skip over real issues like "we need more ways to filter out pathogens from air in homes" 17:17 < kanzure> Urchin: orion's arm? 17:17 < Urchin> and Big Ideas, Grand Vision 17:17 < Urchin> BIGV was mostly adapted to OA 17:18 < kanzure> OA just absorbs everything and is unstoppable. 17:18 < Urchin> I haven't payed much attention to OA since they stopped using creative commons 17:18 < Urchin> I got disilusioned with them 17:18 < kanzure> i wasn't aware they ever used CC licensing? 17:18 < kanzure> and when/why did they stop using it? 17:19 < Urchin> I think it was around 2007 17:19 < Urchin> give or take a year 17:19 < kanzure> uh, that's when i was actively reading OA emails 17:19 < kanzure> i don't recall this 17:19 < Urchin> I might be wrong 17:20 < kanzure> well, stranger things have happened, it might have happened 17:21 < Urchin> I'm guessing it's around the time they launched Voices 17:26 < Urchin> IIRC, they dropped CC after an incident when a furry tryed making a furry version of OA, they went after him with lawyers 17:27 < kanzure> hahah what da hell 17:28 < Urchin> they were like, if we don't squash this guy, we're going to be flooded with lame knockoffs 17:29 < Urchin> weird stuff happens 17:30 < kanzure> yeah i think a furry flood is a reasonable thing to fear 17:30 < kanzure> furrytech... ugh 17:30 < Urchin> they do have provolves and splices already 17:32 < Urchin> they were more concerned with people trying to use old school SF tropes 17:32 < Urchin> actually 17:36 < Urchin> sometimes you just get weirdos 17:36 < Urchin> does anybody here remember betterhumans.com ? 17:36 < kanzure> yes 17:36 < kanzure> i did some coding for them 17:37 < Urchin> when was that 17:37 < kanzure> and i *might* have an archive of theirs.. they keep harrassing me for the data, but it's all corrupted and shit 17:37 < kanzure> between 2008-2010 17:37 < Urchin> I thought it was dead back then 17:37 < kanzure> yep.. 17:37 < kanzure> isn't that ironic? 17:37 < Urchin> I remember the last redesign, driven by users 17:38 < kanzure> before or after it was sold to james? 17:38 < Urchin> not sure 17:38 < Urchin> the one with orange and blue stuff, and cris-crossing eye-stabbing patterns 17:39 < Urchin> it used to be an exemplary website in terms of design for a very long time 17:40 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43 < katsmeow-afk> hey,, whyfor all the wikipedia links are now https? 17:44 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 < yashgaroth> same reason all of google's are 17:45 < katsmeow-afk> they weren't last month 17:45 < katsmeow-afk> iirc, they weren't last week even 17:45 < Urchin> smart move 17:46 < katsmeow-afk> why, so only the feds can read what i am ? 17:55 < Urchin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_PIjc2ga4 18:02 < n_bentha> LONG LIVE SPACE RACE! 18:11 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12 -!- robde [~robde@p5085AD21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13 -!- sdr__ [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:13 -!- sdr__ [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:18 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 18:52 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-131-65-213.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:18 < thylane> I just ate a bunch of vitamen pills... and i have heartburn like never before in my life. 19:18 < thylane> fuck this transhuman shit :D 19:18 < katsmeow-afk> wtf did you do that? 19:22 < jrayhawk> http://chriskresser.com/get-rid-of-heartburn-and-gerd-forever-in-three-simple-steps (or in podcast format http://joanneunleashed.com/648/the-cause-and-cure-of-heartburn-and-gerd-and-why-antacids-are-harmful/ ) 19:28 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 19:29 < jrayhawk> I like that his "three simple steps" are three thousand words long 19:38 < thylane> http://www.quantumnano.at/ 19:40 < wudles> Urchin, Anders got a life like a lot of us old timers. 19:40 < kanzure> old timers! 19:40 < kanzure> bah 19:40 < kanzure> anders had/has potential tho 19:41 < wudles> Now, we coming back after having finished our PhDs and raised a couple of kids. :) 19:41 < wudles> Biology is hard to resist. :) 19:42 < kanzure> you can still have kids w/o selling your soul 19:42 < jrayhawk> no, kids are voracious soul-eaters 19:42 < wudles> Not without selling them short. I now have an 11 year old recruited by Johns Hopkins. 19:43 < wudles> Your kids are a guarantee of immortality. and they carry your ideas. 19:43 < kanzure> family trees die all the time 19:43 < jrayhawk> I support your decision to submit your children to the medical community for experimentation. 19:45 < wudles> Wow, nice community welcome jrayhawk ... 19:46 < kanzure> wudles: jrayhawk has an amazing sense of humor 19:46 < jrayhawk> I aim to please! 19:46 < kanzure> what's wrong with self-experimentation? 19:46 < bkero> wudles: there are ways of letting biology get the better of you ;) 19:46 < wudles> Yeah, I'm sure that is useful in academic and press efforts. 19:49 < wudles> I'll idle and see if there is anything that might help the effort. So far ... nothing in 3 days. Except a couple of dreamers. jrayhawk is not what should be the first voice. 19:50 < jrayhawk> bahaha 19:51 < kanzure> wudles: do you have any technical skills? are you a chemist? 19:52 < wudles> I have a PhD in Engineering Physics (Electrical and Mechanical Enginering) from Cornell. I design chips (VLSI) for crypto. 19:52 < kanzure> can i read your thesis? 19:52 < kanzure> or, what was your thesis 19:53 < kanzure> i spent some time in a mechanical engineering lab working on design automation, graph theory and downloadable hardware 19:54 < wudles> My thesis was for hybrid-magnetrons used by the ESA... You can check the Cornell repository. I published in 1996. 19:55 < kanzure> nice. so why do you think biotech (or any of the other projects we've discussed in the past 3 days) isn't transhumanist in nature? 19:56 < wudles> Oh, it is. However, people are hostile to newcomers. 19:56 < kanzure> not really, i completely feed on them! 19:56 < kanzure> i'll abuse you and put you to work on crazy/ambitous projects in no time 19:56 < jrayhawk> Hey, guess which one of us said that the other shouldn't be voiced! 19:56 < jrayhawk> I'll give you two guesses! 19:57 < wudles> Steel3 was a normal dude, but I've met a lot of assholes. 19:57 < jrayhawk> Come on this is an easy one! 19:57 < wudles> Voice away. Have any constructive thing to say? 19:57 < kanzure> steel3 is not normal and is sorta abusive 19:58 < kanzure> if he PM'd you without permission, please forgive me for not banning him sooner 19:58 < wudles> Really? he was cool. He was educated. All was good. 19:59 < kanzure> do you have any transhuman tech project you're working on? 19:59 < wudles> We talked actual science. 19:59 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 < wudles> Yeah. I work with Peter Voss on AI. And I own a ubiqituous comms / comps firm. 20:00 < kanzure> ah i know peter. okay.. 20:00 < wudles> I'm also the guy that started homo excelsior / omega database with Anders and Erik back in the day. 20:01 < kanzure> and your explanation for anders going soft is marriage? or kids? 20:01 < wudles> homoexcelsior.com is still my site. 20:01 < kanzure> i don't even know if he has kids 20:01 < wudles> Ask Anders, not my place. 20:01 < kanzure> *shrug* ok 20:02 < wudles> He's a great guy and still working in academics. 20:02 < wudles> He supports us, but has a life. 20:03 < kanzure> so you've been around for a while, 20:03 < kanzure> maybe you can answer, why haven't the original extropian transhumanists or w/e, 20:03 < kanzure> done any biohacking, ever? 20:03 < kanzure> it's been >30 years. that's more than enough time to acquire very particular expertise in many transhumanist technologies. 20:03 < kanzure> so i'm just curious 20:03 < kanzure> on your perspective. 20:04 < wudles> Dunno, we're all looking pretty good don't you think? 20:04 < kanzure> not really. i mean, i know phil goetz picked up some biology, but i think he started off as a biologist anyway 20:04 < kanzure> eugen sorta did, but i think he's back to just chemistry for a day job now 20:05 < wudles> Anyways, go to get my youngest to bed. Have a good night. Caloric restriction works ... so do other things. Read the listservs ... 20:06 < kanzure> so what if CR works or not? 20:06 < kanzure> :x 20:06 < kanzure> sorry i just don't see the connection to the conversation 20:06 < wudles> Eugene has a lot of good ideas. 20:06 < kanzure> i wish he would finalize on that extra e in his name or not, jeeze 20:06 < wudles> :) 20:07 < wudles> He's a frickin' pain in the ass with that. 20:07 < jrayhawk> nondeterminism will keep him safe from the coming AI scourge 20:07 < wudles> After a couple of drinks, he changes the story. 20:07 < kanzure> is that so 20:08 < wudles> I think, just to piss Nat and me off. 20:08 < wudles> Anyways. Off with me. 20:08 < kanzure> seeya 20:17 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 < kanzure> hi yashgaroth 20:21 < yashgaroth> yo 20:21 < kanzure> how goes day five 20:22 < kanzure> four.. something 20:22 < yashgaroth> I can't decide on a format for my resume 20:22 < kanzure> why do you need a resume 20:22 < katsmeow-afk> print 20:22 < yashgaroth> because I work for other people, unlike some 20:22 < kanzure> yashgaroth: just tell me how much money you can make me, and why i should pay you $x 20:22 < yashgaroth> millions...also millions 20:23 < kanzure> gotta prove it 20:23 < yashgaroth> also takes money 20:23 < kanzure> uh not really 20:23 < kanzure> like your last company 20:23 < kanzure> maybe they were making millions off of you 20:23 < kanzure> but you should generally show that. 20:23 < yashgaroth> mhm 20:24 < jrayhawk> re: format: If you're hardcore, format it in LaTeX. Otherwise, use http://xmlresume.sourceforge.net/ 20:25 < jrayhawk> http://www.rpi.edu/dept/arc/training/latex/resumes/ has example LaTeX templates 20:25 < kanzure> he probably means layout 20:25 < jrayhawk> My pithy response helpfully covers both! 20:25 -!- d3nd3 [~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:25 < yashgaroth> excellent 20:30 < jrayhawk> I suppose you don't really need to be hardcore since LyX is a thing what exists. 20:31 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:32 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-239-9.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:37 < jrayhawk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJEErf9bZWM also don't forget the importance of a good business card 20:38 < yashgaroth> heh 20:42 < delinquentme> what is that and what is it from? 20:42 < yashgaroth> american psycho 20:42 < jrayhawk> tags: I AM BATEMAN 21:09 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:22 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:35 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-239-9.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:36 -!- wudles [~wudles@gateway.secureinstrument.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:39 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:07 < kanzure> beepity boop 22:10 < lichen> this is so bad http://youtu.be/WoroTwu_Oq4 22:22 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.111.160.104] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 22:51 -!- Stieru_Ridir [~Steel@cpe-67-246-36-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:54 -!- Stee| [~Steel@cpe-67-246-36-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:23 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: uniqanomaly_, poptire, strages_home 23:24 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-131-65-213.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Mar 30 00:00:13 2012