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00:16 < Mariu> http://www.masswerk.at/googleBBS/
00:28 < fenn> too bad it's not a general purpose browser
00:28 < fenn> would have been simple to pipe w3m or whatever to their pager
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02:02 < jrayhawk> that would turn GoogleBBS into a portal, which would turn it into AOL
02:03 < jrayhawk> Its BBS legacy is/was one of the giant culture problems at AOL.
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05:20 < Utopiah> (philosophy warning) http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/Politics_Sociology/ApocalypticAI.html
05:31 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHg5ij4gBQo
05:31 < delinquentme> ADORABLE!
05:31 < delinquentme> its tracking the yellow ball and gets distracted by other large yellow objects =]
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05:42 < delinquentme> does anyone know of free online software to read text?
05:46 < ThomasEgi> to read text??
05:46 < ThomasEgi> like.. your browser??
05:50 < phryk> I think he means text-recognition.
05:51 < phryk> delinquentme: http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html, http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ no clue about the quality, I'd probably go with the gnu one.
05:52 < delinquentme> Oh nah i wanted to do pushups while my machine reads peter theils class to me
05:52 < delinquentme> :D
05:52 < delinquentme> The pithy, wry version of this is the line about Rhodes Scholars: they all had a great future in their past.
05:52 < delinquentme> LULZ!
05:52 < phryk> Ah you mean text-to-speech :P
05:53 < phryk> There's stuff like festival…
05:54 < delinquentme> can i open it up in a browser and paste text in?
05:54 < delinquentme> maz 70 chars
05:55 < delinquentme> max*
05:55 < phryk> Maybe someone did a wrapper for that, but normally no :P
05:55 < delinquentme> totes useless
05:55 < phryk> huh? what max. 70 chars?
05:56 < phryk> ah the demo :D
05:56 < phryk> well, then run it on your own machine?^^
06:18 < delinquentme> EWWW
06:18 < delinquentme> i need to install something?
06:18 < delinquentme> isnt that.. unsanitary?
06:21 < phryk> http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lenxybNu9H1qdruxt.gif Can't tell if full-on retard or just trolling.
06:22 < delinquentme> lol me?
06:22 < delinquentme> no haha i mean im not into installing non repo code
06:22 < delinquentme> phryk, are you a windows user?
06:25 < phryk> delinquentme: no.
06:25 < phryk> delinquentme: festival is one of the biggest text-to-speech engines, if your os doesn't have it in it's repo, your os sucks.
06:27 < delinquentme> lol
06:27 < delinquentme> well ubuntu doesnt suck
06:27 < delinquentme> and its installing now
06:27 < phryk> You have an 'nt' there that doesn't belong.
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06:33 < delinquentme> lol phryk i know i know windows is cool for being a dj
06:33 < delinquentme> or an artist
06:33 < delinquentme> :D
06:39 < phryk> huh?
06:39 < phryk> the only thing that windows is a first choice for is games…
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06:42 < delinquentme> phryk, im </trolling>
06:43 < delinquentme> phryk, tell me aboot your skillsets
06:43 < delinquentme> tell me you're into biotech
06:43 < phryk> I'm into biotech.
06:43  * phryk shrugs.
06:44 < phryk> I'm a pretty average nerd, I guess…
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06:51 < phryk> delinquentme: Better than you though :F
06:51 < delinquentme> fenn thinks that too
06:51 < delinquentme> well see
06:51 < delinquentme> phryk, you an EE?
06:51 < delinquentme> im in the market for an optimist
06:51 < phryk> iirc fenn was quite competent.
06:52 < delinquentme> ah its his personality which sucks
06:52 < delinquentme> dont quote me on talking about soft shit like personality though
06:52 < delinquentme> ill learn to love him im sure
06:52 < phryk> I'm not an engineer.
06:52 < delinquentme> programmer?
06:52 < phryk> You could say that I guess.
06:53 < delinquentme> kanzure, you around? I'm trying to figure out the name of that lab standards exchange conglomerate
06:53 < delinquentme> languages?
06:53 < phryk> bunch, none of them really good.
06:53 < delinquentme> =/
06:54 < phryk> work as php codewhore… but that's not really a language it's what happens when an idiot gets perl to rape C and the forced child has down syndrome…
06:54 < delinquentme> quote worthy ^
06:55 < delinquentme> feminine views of competition vrs male views of competition
06:55 < delinquentme> discuss
06:55 < phryk> done a small bit of C/C++ (only playing around, no real projects, few blinking leds a few years back), about one and a half cm-systems in python, a few ugly perlhacks… current site done in common lisp, next will be done in haskell, prolly with yesod.
06:56 < phryk> delinquentme: stop trolling.
06:56 < delinquentme> no im serious aha
06:56 < phryk> Then you're retarded.
06:56 < delinquentme> girls really like emoting about how compeition is hard
06:56 < delinquentme> males grunt and take it
06:56 < delinquentme> metaphorically
06:57 < delinquentme> lololol
06:57 < delinquentme> but really i posted something about competition on FB and all the females come out of the woodwork
06:57 < phryk> delinquentme: I'm really beginning to dislike you. No wonder fenn has problems with you.
06:58 < delinquentme> fenn doesnt like me because he fucked up / gave up on his liquid handler
06:58 < delinquentme> self projection is everyones issue
06:58 < delinquentme> specifically why do you dislike me?
06:58 < phryk> You talk a *lot* of dumb shit.
06:59 < phryk> The first thing you said sounded to me like 'trololol windows teh suck I r use ubnutu lunix, i so 1337'
06:59 < delinquentme> evaluate it then!
06:59 < delinquentme> actually
06:59 < phryk> And the thing about male vs. female views on anything is plain stupid.
06:59 < delinquentme> you might be right
06:59 < delinquentme> theres not really anything constructive in it
06:59 < delinquentme> just observations
07:00 < delinquentme> i gotta go run
07:00 < delinquentme> bbl
07:00 < phryk> Going male 'vs.' female on anything is too lmited for just about everything concerning social interaction.
07:01 < phryk> delinquentme: How am I to evaluate your stupidity if you just run off?
07:01 < ThomasEgi> call them foolish humans. both of them. and you are right in pretty much all cases.
07:01 < phryk> ThomasEgi: That's a generalization I can generally agree with :P
07:03  * ThomasEgi +1's himself
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07:07 < phryk> :D
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08:23 < kanzure> ok let's have a vote.. kick him off the island?
08:24 < ThomasEgi> who?
08:24 < ThomasEgi> from what island?
08:27 < kanzure> nevermind
08:27 < kanzure> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/feds-shutter-online-narcotics-store-that-used-tor-to-hide-its-tracks.ars
08:27 < kanzure> > Federal authorities have arrested eight men accused of distributing more than
08:27 < kanzure> > $1 million worth of LSD, ecstasy, and other narcotics with an online
08:27 < kanzure> > storefront that used the TOR anonymity service to mask their Internet
08:27 < kanzure> > addresses.
08:27 < archels> kanzure: n
08:27 < kanzure> > "The Farmer's Market," as the online store was called, was like an Amazon for
08:27 < kanzure> > consumers of controlled substances, according to a 66-page indictment
08:27 < kanzure> > unsealed on Monday. It offered online forums, Web-based order forms, customer
08:27 < kanzure> > service, and at least four methods of payment, including PayPal and Western
08:28 < kanzure> > Union. From January 2007 to October 2009, it processed some 5,256 orders
08:28 < kanzure> > valued at $1.04 million. The site catered to about 3,000 customers in 35
08:28 < kanzure> > countries, including the United States.
08:28 < archels> The main dude behind that site was a Dutchie. :\
08:28 < archels> Sites like that probably remain on Tor...
08:29 < kanzure> Large-scale connectivity diagrams of the human brain using Diffusion Spectrum Imaging
08:29 < kanzure> http://www.cind.research.va.gov/docs/Wedeen_DSI_Intro.pdf
08:30 < phryk> kanzure: kick delinquentme?
08:31 < kanzure> phryk: is that a request or a question
08:31 < phryk> a question.
08:31 < phryk> If you meant that earlier.
08:31 < phryk> I'm not having a vote for or against that, but I do kind-of loathe him :P
08:31 < phryk> I'll bow to the public opinion.
08:34 < kanzure> where's yashgaroth, nmz787, juul, and ctobin?
08:37 < delinquentme> not really a new application of TOR
08:42 < _F7_> 'The Farmers Market' should've accepted BITCOIN
08:42 < _F7_> with exclusivity
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08:44 < delinquentme> _F7_, thats silk road :D
08:45 < _F7_> There are guys in the houston area that'll just meet you in a parking lot and give cash for bitcoin.
08:45 < _F7_> They'll whip out a smartphone and sit until the transaction is confirmed.
08:46 < delinquentme> LOLOLOL
08:46 < _F7_> It's seedy in a comically cyberpunk way
08:46 < delinquentme> thats phenomenal
08:46 < delinquentme> i think thats fantastic
08:47 < delinquentme> go humans
08:48 < delinquentme> That would be incredibly valuable. If nothing has happened in an industry for a long time, and you come along and dramatically improve something important, chances are that no one else will come and do that again, to you.
08:48 < delinquentme> can someone logic through that for me?
08:48 < kanzure> no
08:50 < delinquentme> are you saying that its illogical?
08:50 < delinquentme> i guess it predicates on "old industry >> no one wants to mess with it" ?
08:50 < kanzure> no i am saying i am cranky
08:50 < kanzure> what are you trying to do ?
08:50 < delinquentme> so do that and then you have monopoly
08:50 < delinquentme> just reading Thiels lecture notes
08:52 < delinquentme> OO he ends on a juicy bit!!
08:52 < delinquentme> This raises the question that we’ll discuss next week: kinds of people do you want to take with you as you head off into the frontier?
08:52 < delinquentme> *swoon*
08:52 < delinquentme> so romantic :P
08:53 < chris_99> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17744314 - 3D printer for drugs
08:58 < ParahSailin> thiel lecture notes
08:58 < ParahSailin> want
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09:05 < _F7_> Theil makes delinquentme swoon with his allusion to gay fronteirsmen
09:05 < _F7_> *frontiersmen
09:09 < ParahSailin> did diginet go to last week's txrx open house?
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09:34 < kanzure> nmz787: hi
09:35 < nmz787> hi
09:41 < _F7_> If he did, I missed him
09:41 < _F7_> We never arranged pickup
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10:37 < yashgaroth> hey did you guys see that paper about buckyballs doubling lifespan in rats
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10:45 < kanzure> yashgaroth: haven't read it yet
10:46 < yashgaroth> it's a weird combination of [high-impact journal + low p-values] and [intraperitoneal injection of olive oil control also extends lifespan 50%] but still
10:49 < yashgaroth> too bad it'll take 6 years to replicate
10:51 < nmz787> whattt
10:52 < yashgaroth> http://extremelongevity.net/wp-content/uploads/C60-Fullerene.pdf
10:53 < ThomasEgi> fullerene... one of my professor has a fullerene fetish^
10:53 < ThomasEgi> he's totaly into that thing
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10:56 < Utopiah> http://engineering.twitter.com/2012/04/introducing-innovators-patent-agreement.html
10:57 < kanzure> https://github.com/twitter/innovators-patent-agreement
10:57 < kanzure> https://github.com/twitter/innovators-patent-agreement/issues/1 "Section 2(a) unnecessarily uses term "intellectual property""
11:03 < kanzure> "Our company 3scan just got funded by Breakout labs."
11:03 < kanzure> fenn: you should go congratulate them
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11:07 < kanzure> http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/17/peter-thiels-breakout-labs-awards-350k-each-to-six-ambitious-biotech-startups/
11:07 < kanzure> "3Scan, to develop 3-D digital reconstruction of brain tissue, using a novel, faster, less expensive microscope technology. Building a map of connections in the brain—the connectome—is a critical step to understanding what makes the human brain unique."
11:07 < kanzure> "Arigos Biomedical, to develop methods of cooling organs for long-term storage."
11:07 < kanzure> "Immusoft, to re-program human immune cells to produce therapeutics in the body."
11:07 < kanzure> "Inspirotec, to develop a universal system for collecting and identifying virtually any airborne agent."
11:08 < kanzure> "ongevity Biotech, to develop an entirely new class of therapeutics via artificial protein technology (“Hybridtides”). Hybridtides are targeted biologic-like molecules which are highly-resistant to breakdown by natural digestive enzymes and tunable to very stable molecular structures. These features have demonstrated potent therapeutic activity with the possibility of oral biologic delivery."
11:08 < kanzure> "Positron Dynamics, to enhance the production and collection of positrons, a class of elementary particles. Positrons have many near-term applications, for example, in medical imaging; in the long run, they may be a source of energy—antimatter propulsion—for space travel"
11:13 < kanzure> http://www.3scan.com/ http://immusoft.com/ http://inspirotec.com/ http://positrondynamics.com/
11:58 < ParahSailin> is there any linux chat program as good as skype?
11:59 < archels> irssi
11:59 < ParahSailin> i use skype with a group of friends as a sort of persistent conference chat
11:59 < ParahSailin> irc is shitty; irony intended
11:59 < archels> persistent conference chat is almost the definition of IRC.
11:59 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://pigin.im/ is what i use
12:00 < kanzure> however, i use irssi on a remote server for irc
12:00 < ParahSailin> does irc send you messages sent to the room when your client wasnt connected? does it handle multiple locations connected to the same account?
12:00 < ParahSailin> is it as easy to use as skype is?
12:00 < archels> screen
12:00 < kanzure> skype is not easy to use on linux
12:01 < ParahSailin> thats why i bring up the question
12:01 < ParahSailin> my friends are windows users
12:02 < kanzure> you might try google hangouts for persistent video chat
12:02 < ParahSailin> i just use text though
12:02 < ParahSailin> sometimes we do voice with a subset of our group
12:06 < ParahSailin> does any xmpp thing do something equivalent in function?
12:08 < ThomasEgi> http://jitsi.org/
12:10 < ParahSailin> thanks
12:31 < ParahSailin> http://www.disruptivetelephony.com/2010/12/skype-and-the-incredible-power-of-persistent-group-chats.html these are exactly my thoughts
12:36 < kanzure> https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II
12:37 < bkero> use bitlbee
12:37 < bkero> more persistent
12:37 < bkero> also B) -er
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12:41 < kanzure> technical info http://jordanmechner.com/wp-content/uploads/1989/10/popsource009.pdf
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13:01 < Cat4D> Has anyone seen WebGL based gpu processing of nurbs/splines ?
13:02 < Cat4D> or a functioning openGL lib for such? (the "shader")
13:04 < ThomasEgi> i think nvidia has an example on how to use shaders to interpolate nurbs and stuff.
13:04 < kanzure> Cat4D: not webgl, sorry :/
13:04 < ThomasEgi> somewhere in their cg-tutorials
13:04 < kanzure> glu had a nurbs tessellation thing going on
13:04 < ThomasEgi> probably not too hard to convert into a gl shader
13:11 < Cat4D> openGL, etc next option
13:11 < kanzure> Cat4D: what are you trying to do
13:11 < Cat4D> I have three topics, all generally the same:
13:12 < Cat4D> spline/knot based generation of data structure inside the gpu, preferably generating splines
13:12 < kanzure> why is "inside the gpu" a constraint?
13:13 < Cat4D> spline math functions, for example old elasticity node examples or similar with collision/displacement, and generation of renderable triangle mesh for some gpu
13:13 < Cat4D> direct spline shader function in GPU for rendering as above
13:13 < Cat4D> webgl, kanzure
13:14 < kanzure> i never looked into how much of the glu/glut nurbs compatibility was opengl standards vs. how much custom code they wrote
13:14 < Cat4D> we use spherical poly splines for data representation for the volcano, which is great for modeling and math, but the gpu devices are troubled
13:14 < kanzure> have you seen shapesmith? he tessellates the nurbs objects on the server-side and sends them back to the client
13:15 < kanzure> as triangle meshes
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13:15 < Cat4D> not at this density
13:15 < Cat4D> and that should be easily processed by the js/gpu anyways
13:16 < Cat4D> im mainly in need of a verified gpu processing framework that handles data management, even if I have to build the recursive poly spline function into a "shader" anyways
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13:17 < kanzure> have you seen glu/sgi/libnurbs/internals ? that's all software-defined nurbs
13:18 < Cat4D> -- i was assuming someone ported that to the shaders sometime in the last two decades
13:19 < kanzure> evidence/link?
13:19 < Cat4D> there is one cubic bezier patch demo with webgl
13:24 < katsmeow-afk> ParahSailin, actually a small script in the irc client to dl from a log location (or 3 or 4 locations) and preload the channel window back in time to when you disconnected, is easy
13:25 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: i think he's saying that his friends wouldn't think that is easy :(
13:25 < ParahSailin> i want software to work for me, not the other way around
13:25 < ParahSailin> my friends are even more "normal" like that
13:25 < katsmeow-afk> to 1) dl script 2) install script ?
13:25 < katsmeow-afk> hmm, ok
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13:27 < katsmeow-afk> some irc clients have an option to preload the channel window from their own local log, but obviously that does not include the ability to load what wasn't seen by virtue of being disconnected,, but praps such a script can be tricked to dl from remote url than local path
13:30 < Cat4D> prideout.net
13:33 < kanzure> quad tessellation with opengl 4 http://prideout.net/blog/?p=49
13:33 < kanzure> triangle tessellation http://prideout.net/blog/?p=48
13:33 < kanzure> is pyeuclid a python version of matra datavision's euclid cad system?
13:34 < Cat4D> now how to get glu/glut/etc into webgl
13:34 < Cat4D> to the gpu
13:34 < kanzure> pez looks like an ok glut replacement http://prideout.net/blog/?p=36
13:35 < Cat4D> pez is using meshes
13:35 < nmz787> pyeuclid sounds like puklid
13:35 < nmz787> puke-lid
13:36  * Cat4D needs to get bez poly splines into gpu
13:36 < Cat4D> cuz i know gpu can mesh/tess faster than cpu (especially webgl js)
13:36 < kanzure> charlieschwabach: maybe you have an idea?
13:39 < charlieschwabach> http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_lines_splines.html
13:40 < charlieschwabach> i haven't done anything w/ that, but three.js in general is nice and the project is very active
13:40 < Cat4D> not even close
13:41 < charlieschwabach> Cat4D: cool, yeah.. i probably won't be much help then
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13:49 < Cat4D> sorry webchat crashed
13:49 < kanzure> 13:45 <@jblake> Uh yeah, there are a few ways. The easiest is to use a geometry shader to just create the interpolated vertices on the fly, but that requires newish hardware.
13:49 < kanzure> 13:46 <@jblake> If you don't have geometry shaders, then you can use a vertex shader - just use some uniforms to store the parameters of the spline, and hardcode in
13:49 < kanzure> the shader that it's going to be interpolated on N points, and send N vertices to the shader with their positions as indexes into the interpolation or something.
13:50 < kanzure> 13:48 <@jblake> Depending on usecase, like if you're using the spline as the boundary of some object, you might be able to do it in a pixel shader too. Just render the
13:50 < kanzure> object as strictly larger than the projection of its bounding spline, and do a inside/outside test in the pixel shader to cull the pixels on the wrong side of the spline.
13:50 < kanzure> 13:49 <@jblake> If you haven't got shaders at all, then you'll have to fuck with the fixed function pipeline. I think both NVidia and ATI have extensions that do some
13:50 < Cat4D> There is concern that the WebGL is bound to a minimal ES2 function set, and might be further reduced (CL was stripped out)
13:50 < kanzure> sort of polynomial interpolation in the style of a vertex shader, but I don't know off-hand how to use them.
13:51 < Cat4D> http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/webgl/models/bezier_col.html  was the only initial demo that came up
13:51 < kanzure> 13:51 <@jblake> OpenGL ES 2.0 has programmable shaders.
13:52 < kanzure> 13:51 <@jblake> Hell, it doesn't have a fixed-function pipeline at all.
13:54 < Cat4D> there are a few webglu attempts showing up
13:55 < kanzure> 13:54 <@jblake> I don't really feel like reading through a crapload of javascript right now, and answering implied questions via a proxy is sort of irritating. What
13:55 < kanzure> are you trying to do that you can't make work?
13:55 < Cat4D> GPU based shader that takes only bspline/nurbs/polyspline from webgl
13:57 < kanzure> 13:57 <@jblake> OpenGL ES 2 is derived from OpenGL 2, which means without extensions you don't get geometry shaders.
13:59 < kanzure> 13:58 <@jblake> So create a vertex shader. The idea of this shader is that you're going to feed it N vertices, each with position <0,0,0,n> for n=0 to N-1 or something, and it's going to use them to build the N-order interpolation of whatever beizer spline you're trying to draw.
13:59 < kanzure> 13:59 <@jblake> To give that shader the parameters of the spline to interpolate, just use some uniforms or something.
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14:00 < kanzure> cat4d_hateswebch: check the logs.. http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-04-17.log
14:00 < cat4d_hateswebch> thanks
14:01 < kanzure> 14:00 <@jblake> Or I guess some random buffer object could hold all the splines you intend to draw, and your vertices could be <i,n,0,0> where i indexes into that buffer and n is the interpolation point.
14:02 < kanzure> 14:02 <@jblake> Anyway, it's not really a hard shader to write, and I can't see any obvious difficulties or serialization you'd get from the naive implementation.
14:04 < cat4d_hateswebch> yes
14:04 < cat4d_hateswebch> I see no reason why it wouldnt be fine
14:05 < cat4d_hateswebch> however there is need to do composite math, splines connected from knots of others, typical translation of the function
14:05 < cat4d_hateswebch> which dictates an intermediate buffer because the shader cannot cary the math for the spline projection with the rendering process
14:06 < cat4d_hateswebch> but otherwise, a single spline in final coordinate space should be very simple vertex shader
14:06 < cat4d_hateswebch> how does this apply to nurbs/patch and surfacing with procedural textures or coloration functions?
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14:07 < Cat4D> sorry for these basics, last time i worked on these topics was before 2001
14:07 < Cat4D> we are using a brute force poly (spherical function) spline to model a huge selection of curved surfaces, here for the volcano and archeology sites for the last decade
14:07 < kanzure> 14:07 <@jblake> The critical point here is just seeing the spline sampling operation as a transform from the vector space of "point along one particular spline" to "point in 3-space". If you can write that transform, then you can write a vertex shader. If you need to do something complicated like multiple
14:08 < kanzure> interacting splines or shit it gets harder.
14:08 < Cat4D> yes, the positioning on the mesh (nurbs) or the composite locations of the system or offset translation would be the slight challenge
14:09 < Cat4D> I recall vrml and numerous other bspline elasticity demos, which is where I derived the initial system from
14:09 < Cat4D> this solver, within the gpu, should have no problems except the buffering of data for the knot locations
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14:10 < kanzure> hi jmil
14:10 < kanzure> are you published yeeet?
14:11 < jmil> lol not yet
14:11 < jmil> paper is back in peer review tho
14:11 < jmil> so now we sit back and wait lol
14:13 < Cat4D> composite splines would also have similar arrangement as fur/fragments I would assume http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/webgl/models/fur.html
14:27 < Cat4D> I assume you all saw this, but includes methods of spline rendering (though choppy) http://prideout.net/blog/?p=61
14:31 < Cat4D> The composite splines were popular in the 90s, http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/Hash/Hash.htm
14:31 < Cat4D> The volcanic data here, though, has an entire set of characteristics include, everything from material and color to sensor effect characteristics and extrapolation lineage
14:37 < kanzure> nmz787: what do we need before we decide on a co2 laser tube vs. bluray?
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14:41 < kanzure> hi kvltist.. what's up?
14:41 < kanzure> nmz787: were you going to go look at some laser the other day?
14:42 < Cat4D> lol kanzure is bryan... gotcha
14:42  * Cat4D lagged
14:42 < kanzure> hi, yes
14:42 < kanzure> nice to meet you
14:48 < Cat4D> im remembering far too many arguments in the 98-2000 era regarding nurbs/polyline rendering in gpus, all of our chips were exponentially faster with accurate output than the fool triangle based gpus...
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14:51 < kanzure> Cat4D: show me some implementatiosn :3
14:51 < kanzure> *implementations
14:52 < Cat4D> of which?
14:52 < kanzure> nurbs rendering in gpus
14:52 < Cat4D> thats the intended point
14:52 < Cat4D> i dont see many, and im surprised hash.com didnt come up with one
14:52 < Cat4D> *any*
14:54 < Cat4D> the ibiblio one transforms to mesh
14:55 < Cat4D> running through bezierview webgl now
14:56 < fenn> oh hey nurbs woo
14:56  * Cat4D thinks nurbs awol
14:56 < fenn> are we talking about implicitcad?
14:56 < kanzure> nope
14:56 < Cat4D> gpu
14:59 < nmz787> kanzure: i have to make a post on a physics forum.... i started writing it, but haven't finished
14:59 < kanzure> nmz787: annnd you were going to try out some cutter on campus?
14:59 < kanzure> or your friend's bluray laser or something
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15:05 < chris_99> http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2008/oct/21/alzheimers-university-dementia-highereducation
15:06 < Cat4D> blog.shayanjaved.com  explains the webgl vs openCl issues
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15:41 < kanzure> <Cat4D> google "nurbs gpgpu" is finally generating responses
15:41 < kanzure> hrmm
15:41 < kanzure> also. why did everyone just leave?
15:42 < Cat4D> ?
15:42 < kanzure> nothing.
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15:44 < Cat4D> there is a set of demos of hash.com 's beta for the nurbs renderer in the forum's latest
15:45 < Cat4D> unfortionately he hasnt evolved much in a decade, but we'll see
15:45 < Cat4D> -- there are some quad, nurbs, and bspline functions in shaders ... finally
15:48 < Cat4D> fuk that, hash.com is bad
15:48  * Cat4D resorts to nfoogle.com
15:50 < kanzure> https://github.com/matthiasbock/Spectrophotometer/wiki/Other-projects
15:51 < kanzure> ah i didn't know hackteria did one. http://hackteria.org/wiki/index.php/DIY_spectrophotometer
15:51  * Cat4D loads IDA and says "it will be there tomorrow"
15:52 < kanzure> Cat4D: IDA on what?
15:52 < Cat4D> ida-pro, hex-rays.com
15:54 < kanzure> yeah i know about ida, dunno why you are mentioning it
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16:07 < Cat4D> fix that dumb "free public beta" claim
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16:15 < Cat4D> kingkong.me.berkeley.edu/~adarsh/RGPU.htm
16:30  * Cat4D methinks solidworks stole it
16:59 < fenn> 40W UV led, $165 http://www.mouser.com/ledenginlzcuv/
16:59 < kanzure> hah
16:59 < kanzure> i don't know what wavelengths we want for reals :(
17:00 < fenn> probably 365nm
17:00 < kanzure> a 40W led.. hrm
17:01 < fenn> lumens brightness sensitivity curve bullshit makes comparison difficult
17:01 < fenn> anyway back to implicitcad
17:01 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure 40W is more powerful than my co2 tube laser cutter
17:03 < bkero> kanzure: what's your opinion of piracetam?
17:03 < kanzure> haven't consumed enough of it
17:03 < kanzure> ask fenn
17:03 < bkero> and choline
17:03 < bkero> fenn: ^
17:03 < fenn> bkero: it's not particularly cost effective because the dosage is so high
17:03 < fenn> i've had great results with alpha GPC, unfortunately it's also expensive
17:04 < bkero> prohibitively expensive?
17:04 < fenn> currently playing around with noopept, which is not exactly the same as piracetam
17:04 < fenn> not prohibitive, i just don't have much money
17:04 < bkero> i see
17:04 < bkero> fenn: try choline?  Supposedly it intensifies the effects
17:05 < fenn> yes, alpha GPC is a high availability form of choline
17:05 < bkero> I see
17:05 < fenn> also DMAE is interesting
17:06 < fenn> i take choline to help build up cell membrane reserves of phosphatidyl choline
17:06 < bkero> "the choline molecule is charged and cannot pass the blood-brain barrier."
17:06 < bkero> (from dmae article)
17:07 < bkero> How is pubmed's coverage for nootropics?
17:09 < fenn> research is lacking in general, mostly because it's not intended for the treatment of any specific disease as defined by the FDA and as such hard to market and thus get funding to do studies in the first place
17:11 < bkero> I see
17:11 < bkero> How much experimentation have you done?
17:13 < fenn> some ad-hoc "try it and see" subjective tests with various things
17:13 < bkero> heh
17:13 < bkero> anecdotal evidence is totally awesome and reliable
17:13 < fenn> a project desperately needed in this realm is an open source battery of standard cognitive/motor tests
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17:14 < fenn> the tests exist, but the software does not, simply because nobody has written it
17:14 < fenn> lumosity is an example of the sort of tests i want
17:15 < bkero> holy christ, 5-24g per day?
17:16 < fenn> eh, beyond 6g is useless
17:17 < bkero> looks like 24g varieties are given for prescription treatments
17:18 < kanzure> hi juul
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17:39 < kanzure> https://github.com/twitter/innovators-patent-agreement/issues/4
17:39 < kanzure> "I think that the solution is not on voluntary agreements, but on a pivotal change in the way the law deals with patents.
17:39 < kanzure> The solution, I believe, is that ALL patents should be RANDR by requirement of law."
17:39 < kanzure> "I propose an arbitrary upper limit of 10% (could be any other value, but not too high) of the product value when leaving the hands of the manufacturer to be reserved to share amongst patent holders."
17:40 < kanzure> "It would be the duty of the patent holder to set how much it wants for each patent or package. If all patents involved set the cost to less than the 10%, the better for the manufacturer."
17:40 < kanzure> " If the sum of the licensing costs are more than 10%, the licensing costs for each patent are used as a weight and the 10% are divided proportionally between all patent holders."
17:41 < Cat4D> patents are a delusional belief system
17:41 < kanzure> duh
17:49 < fenn> "patent law was made in a time where one could actually be an inventor just making crazy contraptions in his basement/garage/barn"  gee it's so different now
17:51 < fenn> man, tesseract sucks balls
17:51 < kanzure> the android app was pretty terrible
17:51 < kanzure> "OH MY GOD your page has a slight 2 degree curvature! NOPE can't detect that"
17:51 < Cat4D> unfortionately, my function generated complex spline with composite knot functions doesnt seem to have a conventional name --- decade and half after the fact
17:51 < fenn> why isnt there a "don't insert non-alphanumeric non-punctuation characters" option
17:51 < kanzure> Cat4D: you should publish
17:51 < Cat4D> did in 2000
17:51 < kanzure> Cat4D: link?
17:51 < Cat4D> got disappeared after a fight with usn
17:51 < kanzure> fenn: because clearly 99% of all english text is #(W)$U!*($*10924`1901
17:52  * Cat4D is practical, haz volcano at scientific resolution model, plus everything else
17:54 < Cat4D> its the embedded function which is based at a function generated knot location
17:54 < Cat4D> its a tiny function, only about 30 variables
17:54 < Cat4D> includes most sensor data regeneration or extrapolation
17:55 < Cat4D> color, material, etc
17:57 < Cat4D> cute: mvps.org/directx/articles/shadeland/
17:58 < Cat4D> if only that was GL, i could tell others to read it
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18:22 < kanzure> dereks' talk at tedxvictoria about biocurious http://www.makerspace.ca/wp/tedxvictoria/
18:22 < kanzure> *derek's
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18:25 < Cat4D> some are calling this cat's procedural spline stuff "multivariate polyspline"
18:27 < kanzure> Cat4D: how'd you find out about this channel
18:27 < Cat4D> you
18:27 < kanzure> huh? what did i do
18:28 < Cat4D> some log with you bitching at something about not having nurbs
18:28 < kanzure> yep sounds like me
18:29 < kanzure> also: i've ported pokecrystal from hg to git and have setup on github now
18:29 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal
18:29 < kanzure> no more mergecurial for me
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18:47 < fenn> gah firefox doesn't save your tabs in a crash?
18:48 < jennicide> it does
18:50 < fenn> aha i have to do "restore from previous session"
18:55 < Cat4D> does anyone have enough math background to help identify this polynomial spline system with function offset knot systems?
18:57 < kanzure> link to the paper
18:58 < Cat4D> i cant write the paper without finding or inventing language
19:02 < fenn> hrmph well aside from the very first example code being wrong and misleading implicitcad seems to work fine
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19:04 < kanzure> send a pull request :p
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19:08 < kanzure> fenn: please see email and pick out some equipment
19:08 < kanzure> akta oligo pilot 100 - complete with computer
19:08 < kanzure> aww shit
19:09 < yashgaroth> what was wrong with that dubious beckman machine
19:09 < kanzure> it's in san rafael
19:09 < kanzure> Expedite Nucleic Acid Synthesis System-7 Units Millipore+ 2 Computers/control.
19:09 < kanzure> AKTA- Oligo Pilot-100 –complete with computer.
19:09 < yashgaroth> man for the money you'd spent on an akta you could buy a car to go pick it up, and still come out ahead
19:09 < kanzure> DNA Synthesizer HTP (2x96) Dr. Oligo-192 Biolytic Lab. Performance. Updated V4.4
19:09 < kanzure> DNA Synthesis System. Milligen-BioSearch 3700
19:10 < kanzure> UniProbe 204 Packard Robotic System = Computer.
19:10 < kanzure> Spectrophotometer UV-1601 Shimadzu.
19:10 < kanzure> HPLC Sytem with solvent organizer. SONNTEK. UV and RI detector + computer.
19:10 < kanzure> HPLC System. Transgenomic. Complete with Fraction Collector.
19:11 < fenn> what "factory" is this?
19:11 < kanzure> a synthesis company near san rafael
19:11 < fenn> well that's convenient
19:12 < kanzure> could you arrange transportation to pick these things up if they're cheap enough
19:12 < kanzure> yashgaroth: what looks good on that list?
19:12 < fenn> yeah probably
19:13 < yashgaroth> everyone needs a spec
19:13 < kanzure> what about the hplc columns
19:13 < yashgaroth> when will you be doing hplc
19:13 < kanzure> shut up
19:14 < yashgaroth> they're probably gonna be expensive, also they probably won't come with columns
19:15 < kanzure> fenn: when could you go look at them?
19:15 < kanzure> tomorrow ?
19:15 < kanzure> and time range
19:15 < yashgaroth> I suppose hplc purification may be necessary for oligo purification, but damn it'll be super-low throughput for 64 thousand
19:16 < kanzure> i'm shooting an email to the guy
19:18 < fenn> i've never been to san rafael, looks like there's a bus that goes there
19:18 < kanzure> that guy's card is ridiculous: "OPENS DOORS - CLOSES DEALS"
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19:18 < kanzure> you could probably arrange transportation with joseph jackson
19:18 < kanzure> joseph is interested in some of them
19:19 < fenn> i have no idea what these should cost
19:20 < kanzure> >$200k new
19:20 < fenn> sure but what about "on fire sale"
19:20 < kanzure> well, you'll look at the items and make a decision, then call me and we can discuss negotiation
19:21 < fenn> i mean i don't even know what i'd do with 90% of it
19:21 < kanzure> we'd only want one i think :)
19:21 < fenn> what would i do with a dna synthesizer?
19:21 < kanzure> decrease our bullshit coefficient
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19:22 < fenn> can you just email him and be like "how much for the synthesizer"
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19:22 < yashgaroth> does biocurious even have a spec? they don't seem to
19:22 < kanzure> fenn: no. that's not how you negotiate.
19:22 < fenn> well, i'm not good at bullshit
19:23 < kanzure> sometimes people don't care and would accept a $200 check
19:23 < kanzure> but if you ask them thy will say $10k
19:23 < kanzure> *they
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19:25 < fenn> oh man, "with computer" means a PC
19:25 < kanzure> right
19:25 < fenn> probably with a ginormous CRT
19:25 < kanzure> from the 80s/90s
19:25 < kanzure> no way it's from the 2000s
19:26 < yashgaroth> Dr. Oligo-192 USA List Price
19:26 < yashgaroth> $130,000 - offer them $2000
19:26 < kanzure> that's only $2k if it *works*
19:26 < yashgaroth> naturally
19:26 < kanzure> $500 if it has "software problems"
19:26 < yashgaroth> oooh see if they'll throw in some pamidites, not like they're gonna be needing those
19:27 < kanzure> where'd you find the list price?
19:28 < yashgaroth> http://www.biolytic.com/pdf/BLP-192%20Brochure%20122805-Short.pdf
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19:34 < fenn> mailing joseph jackson..
19:35 < kanzure> cc me :p
19:36 < fenn> is there an address? how did you find out about this anyway?
19:36 < kanzure> through joseph -_-
19:36 < diginet> ParahSailin, hey, I didn't go if you were wondering
19:37 < ParahSailin> yeah i was in chicago myself
19:37 < diginet> cool! I've always wanted to go there
19:37 < diginet> (mostly to see Fermilab)
19:37 < diginet> (curse you Rick Perry, we could've had something better here if it wasn't for your idiocy)
19:37 < kanzure> ParahSailin: did you go to the chicago open science meetup?
19:37 < kanzure> ben hyink runs that group and is pretty extremely transhumanist
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19:38 < diginet> so, I got sleeping pills from my shrink today
19:38 < diginet> feels weird man
19:38 < kanzure> sleep is defeat
19:39 < ParahSailin> didnt have a chance to do much other than visit parents
19:39 < ParahSailin> ill trade you adderall for sleeping pills
19:39 < diginet> I already have Methylphenidate
19:39 < ParahSailin> one pill makes you larger, the other pill makes you small
19:40 < diginet> as in fat?
19:40 < diginet> I'm a pretty small guy
19:40 < yashgaroth> as in wonderland
19:40  * fenn mumbles something about "great internet migratory box of drugs"
19:40 < diginet> what do you mean?
19:40 < yashgaroth> good god man
19:40 < ParahSailin> go ask alice when you're ten feet tall
19:40 < kanzure> fenn: they won't get the reference
19:40 < diginet> I don't use them for weird stuff, I'm dealing with legitimate issues
19:41 < kanzure> sleep *is* weird stuff
19:41 < kanzure> stop doing it
19:41 < fenn> ##hplusroadmap, missing references since 2007
19:41 < diginet> no. . .it's fairly normal
19:41 < diginet> wait do you guys use this stuff as hallucinogens or something?
19:41 < kanzure> sleep? yes they are called dreams
19:41 < fenn> i thought those were illegal
19:42 < fenn> or at least highly regulated
19:42  * fenn leaves
19:42 < diginet> why does ParahSailin want ambien?
19:42 < yashgaroth> oh man I pulled an allnighter to unsuccessfully reset my sleep schedule, most vivid dreams ever
19:42 < diginet> if you have sleep problems just go to a shrink
19:43 < ParahSailin> every time i get out of whack its hard to get back in whack
19:43 < ParahSailin> like jet lag and stuff
19:43 < diginet> ah right
19:43 < kanzure> i was out of whack for three weeks when i got back from vietnam
19:43 < diginet> I take paxil, methylphenidate, and now ambien
19:43 < kanzure> try not sleeping
19:44 < JayDugger> Yeah. That works for a couple of days.
19:44 < kanzure> just sleep whenever you want to
19:44 < kanzure> screw daylight
19:44 < JayDugger> Then the paranoid fantasies start...and your co-workers start getting that weird look.
19:45 < diginet> kanzure, that's really not good advice at all
19:45 < kanzure> why?
19:45 < kanzure> it's what fenn does
19:45 < kanzure> seems to work for him
19:45 < fenn> :(
19:46 < fenn> i want some ambien
19:47 < diginet> I want to try polyphasic
19:49 < diginet> but I'm kind of suspicious as to whether it's viable long term
19:53 < diginet> I'm kind of scared it might be dangerous
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20:00 < diginet> anyone here know anything about it?
20:01 < diginet> I know sleep deprivation can be detrimental to one's health
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20:18 < kanzure> fenn: it over?
20:18 < joshcryer> Sleeping whenever fucks up your productivity.
20:19 < kanzure> joshcryer: i mean don't care about time of day
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20:21 < joshcryer> Ahh, OK, just saying, don't underestimate the power of a regular sleep cycle. Which, btw, I've never had or been able to attain. :(
20:28 < diginet> does anyone know of a good refresher on organic chemistry for people who don't need their hand held too much?
20:33 < joshcryer> http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/
20:34 < diginet> thanks
20:35 < joshcryer> Or maybe Google "handbook" "organic chemistry" or something like that.
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20:53 < Steel3> kanzure you around?
20:54 < kanzure> hi Steel3
20:54 < Steel3> anyone you know that I should talk to at nano2012?
20:54 < kanzure> no results found
20:54 < kanzure> what is nano2012
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20:56 < Steel3> http://alumni.rpi.edu/s/1225/2col.aspx?sid=1225&gid=1&pgid=1213&contentbuilder=1 some big conference
21:01 < Steel3> also, is there any decent documentation on nanoengineer-1?
21:01 < kanzure> depends on what decent means, sir
21:01 < kanzure> http://nanorex.com/
21:01 < kanzure> http://www.nanoengineer-1.com
21:02 < kanzure> wiki is here: http://www.nanoengineer-1.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
21:02 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev
21:02 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer
21:03 < kanzure> oh man that wiki has been spammed
21:03 < augur> anyone know of interesting attempts to solve the frame problem?
21:04 < Steel3> cuz I interested a couple people in working in nanoengineer-1 a bit and getting into nanotech
21:04 < Steel3> one for the dna side and one for the inorganic side
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21:55 < jmil> augur: what is the frame problem?
21:55 < augur> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/frame-problem/
22:00 < jmil> augur: oh i thought you were talking about nanoengineering
22:00 < augur> no :P
22:02 < katsmeow-afk> i thought the frame problem was solved with an xml table and each process watching for changes that may affect it?
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22:15 < augur> lol
22:16 < katsmeow-afk> ?
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22:27 < kanzure> nmz787: yo
22:27 < kanzure> fenn: you around?
22:28 < nmz787> yo
22:30 < nmz787> kanzure: i don't know anyone with a blueray laser.... we've got a CO2 tradition laser cutter downstairs.... but i've already cut
22:31 < nmz787> i shined a green laser through a microscope... it got smaller, but its <5mW so didnt change the color of thermal paper
22:32 < nmz787> i don't see why we would use a microscope objective, it seems like it would only be good if it was used in a microscope optic system, otherwise its just a lens
22:32 < kanzure> nmz787: what about fenn's 40W UV LED
22:32 < nmz787> never heard of that
22:33 < kanzure> http://www.mouser.com/ledenginlzcuv/
22:35 < nmz787> hmm
22:35 < nmz787> i know the main difference is coherence
22:35 < nmz787> between LED and lasers
22:41 < diginet> wow, I really hate sigma aldrich
22:41 < kanzure> when you're worth $50 billion, everyone hates you
22:44 < yashgaroth> sigma being sigma doesn't help either
22:44 < jmil> why do you hate sigma?
22:45 < yashgaroth> they're fine if you work for academia or industry, but not for biohacking purposes
22:46 < kanzure> oops, sorry, it's dow who is work $50 billion
22:46 < kanzure> sigma only does $2.2 billion/year
22:46 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma-Aldrich
22:46 < kanzure> whereas dow does $53.647 billion
22:47 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Chemical_Company
22:47 < nmz787> only
22:47 < kanzure> yes only $53 billion
22:50 < diginet> sigma is evil because of their outrageous prices
22:50 < fenn> the LED was more wrt the UV cure resin + DLP stereolithography machine
22:50 < diginet> is there anything they sell that isn't at least $100?
22:50 < kanzure> nmz787: i bet we could replace dow with microfluidic dow :P
22:50 < yashgaroth> almost every one of their products has an acceptably shitty chinese knockoff
22:50 < kanzure> why do you need 200 foot tall fractioning towers anyway
22:52 < diginet> where would one buy  p-toluidine for cheap?
22:53 < yashgaroth> are you comfortable buying one metric ton?
22:54 < diginet> proooobbbbbably not
22:54 < diginet> :P
22:54 < diginet> I wish there was some database on how to synthesize such chemicals
22:55 < yashgaroth> please be advised that sigma chemicals tend to be the most expensive on the market, for somewhat good reason
22:55 < kanzure> hm i can't find the 20,000 acre dow facility in texas
22:55 < kanzure> on google maps i mean
22:56 < yashgaroth> aww I envisaged you circling amarillo on a horse
22:56 < kanzure> my cyborg horse
22:56 < kanzure> instead of legs it has jet packs
22:56 < kanzure> it's quite terrifying
22:57 < yashgaroth> I'm sure there'd be a market for that regardless
23:00 < nmz787> ya its nice that sigma often offers 3 or 5 diff purity levels,
23:00 < nmz787> all with a certificate of proof of purity level, often with purification tech used
23:03 < yashgaroth> also the 99% is 70x cheaper than the 99.7%, and actually quite reasonably priced
23:06 < kanzure> fenn: ok. so we're definitely going with a co2 tube?
23:06 < nmz787> kanzure fenn, lemme make this physics forum post re optics
23:07 < diginet> If I were to start with toulene, how would I get an NH2 to attach opposite of the CH3 on the phenyl group?
23:08 < Mariu> there was a game where you had a horse with an antigrav device, you could store objects in it, you could use like an R2-D2 to interface with doors, systems,
23:08 < fenn> i think we should try both and see which is better :P
23:09 < fenn> also a cd-r should be fine, blu-ray is not necessary
23:09 < kanzure> for cutting acrylic? o.o
23:09 < fenn> i thought it only had to go through the pdms
23:09 < nmz787> nah we need bluray
23:10 < kanzure> i'd like to be able to cut acrylic
23:10 < nmz787> its lower wavelength, smaller spot
23:10 < nmz787> more power per photon
23:10 < kanzure> power per photon?
23:10 < nmz787> if we went cddrive route, we should use bluray
23:10 < nmz787> ya, per photon, higher freq has more energy
23:11 < kanzure> yeah but.. nobody says power per photon :P
23:12 < fenn> captain, we canna increase power to the photons any longer
23:12 < kanzure> so we have to abandon ship?
23:12 < kanzure> increase forward shiels by 83%
23:12 < kanzure> shields.
23:13 < kanzure> Now, like all great plans, my strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it. On my command all ships will line up and file directly into the alien death cannons, clogging them with wreckage.
23:13 < nmz787> lol
23:13 < nmz787> homer simpson plan
23:14 < yashgaroth> zap brannigan plan
23:14 < kanzure> zap brannigan plan
23:14 < kanzure> yes
23:14 < nmz787> oh, yes
23:14 < nmz787> def zap
23:16 < yashgaroth> diginet: please read up ochem before you accidentally make TNT
23:17 < yashgaroth> like, literally
23:17 < kanzure> my one regret is not memorizing all umpteen zillion reactions
23:18 < yashgaroth> pfft, if you just remember the five billion basic rules, you'll be set
23:18 < nmz787> all i remember without lookin at the chem you're talkin about is... para, meta, ortho
23:19 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arene_substitution_patterns
23:19 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophilic_aromatic_substitution
23:19 < yashgaroth> yeah I seem to recall one position is favored, but not which one
23:20 < yashgaroth> oh whoops the p-toluidine should stay solid at room temp so whatever, just separate that out
23:21 < nmz787> btw, googling toluidine toluene synthesis, comes up with hits of interest
23:21 < yashgaroth> also you may have more trouble getting reagents since, y'know, TNT
23:22 < yashgaroth> $43/kg is pretty cheap what do you even want it for diginet
23:24 < nmz787> yashgaroth: thats the responsible question to ask
23:25 < nmz787> cover our asses in writing*
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23:26 < yashgaroth> ^ the smartest move
23:26 < kanzure> fbi is sending out invites for the next diybio meeting soon
23:27 < yashgaroth> ooh
23:27 < kanzure> nmz787: you up for this?
23:27 < nmz787> ya
23:27 < nmz787> talked to joe a day or two ago
23:27 < nmz787> he said 12-17th june
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23:28 < nmz787> and mentioned internationals
23:28 < kanzure> haha it's almost may and they haven't sent out invites
23:28 < nmz787> so i guess maybe those flu virus reconstruction ppl
23:28 < kanzure> i doubt it.. that's not diybio
23:28 < nmz787> but pretty long, tha last was 2 days
23:28 < nmz787> why would he say international
23:28 < yashgaroth> why the fuck do they need 6 days
23:28 < nmz787> maybe its not just diy then
23:28 < nmz787> biosec ?
23:29 < kanzure> yashgaroth: biocurious will be hosting the event for one of the days for training
23:29 < nmz787> so i def liked genspace more than biocurious
23:29 < yashgaroth> ok so I can skip that one, but friday-sunday's about my limit
23:29 < kanzure> genspace is running an institution for sure
23:29 < nmz787> and the fact that they had, umm, actual biologists running some shit
23:29 < kanzure> right right
23:30 < kanzure> biocurious is still sorta stricken by its management team that hates each other
23:31 < nmz787> o
23:31 < nmz787> ya i dont know much
23:31 < nmz787> cali is also much more spread out than nyc
23:31 < yashgaroth> but has infinity times more biotech
23:31 < nmz787> so seems like less chance of SF peeps makiin it down there
23:31 < nmz787> kids, that sort of thing
23:31 < nmz787> ya
23:31 < nmz787> maybe better for hackers
23:32 < diginet> yashgaroth, I'm trying to synthesize 6,6'-dibromoindigo, it's a pigment
23:33 < nmz787> kanzure fenn: looks more likely that i'm heading to NYC rather than SF for work post-school.... so we'll have to figure out how to collaborate and get this project off the ground
23:33 < kanzure> ugghhh
23:33 < kanzure> how do i stop that
23:33 < nmz787> umm, get my foreign gf a job in comp/app sec
23:33 < kanzure> app?
23:33 < nmz787> application
23:34 < nmz787> securoty
23:34 < kanzure> security or do you mean sector
23:34 < kanzure> ok
23:34 < kanzure> that's right
23:34 < nmz787> security
23:34 < nmz787> ya
23:34 < kanzure> ok i'll see what i can do. have her email me her resume.
23:35 < nmz787> some company out there told her they're setting up an interview... but they havent yet
23:35 < kanzure> lichen: my tmeline has sorta slipped for you, but there's this boston gig i am trailing to nail down for you
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23:42 < diginet> so how does one target a specific type of arene substitution?
23:42 < diginet> or do you not?
23:43 < yashgaroth> if you're nitrating toluene, no
23:46 < kanzure> nmz787: did you post it
23:46 < nmz787> the resume?
23:47 < diginet> yashgaroth, so you basically just assume that roughly 1/3 will be the type you want, and filter it out? (since p-toluidine is solid at room temp)
23:48 < yashgaroth> the ratios won't be even since some sites are favored, but basically yes the p- should crystallize out or something
23:48 < diginet> ah I see, well thanks
23:49 < diginet> in case you're wondering, dibromoindigo is the famous "Tyrian purple" that came from murex snails
23:49 < diginet> I wanted to make some, just because
23:50 < yashgaroth> pick a chemical where the synthesis won't have feds investigating you
23:50 < diginet> hah
23:50 < diginet> toulene is simple enough to get though, right?
23:51 < jennicide> kanzure, are you familiar with non-euclidean geometry?
23:51 < yashgaroth> yes, but not nitric acid, and especially not when you're buying it with toluene
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23:53 < diginet> is there any other way to nitrify toulene other than with nitric acid?
23:53 < yashgaroth> not really
23:54 < diginet> hmm, google reveals several ways to make nitric acid
23:54 < yashgaroth> said feds would be back up your ass
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