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01:07 < n_bentha> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17762033
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01:40 < Mokbortolan_> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3943711
01:40 < Mokbortolan_> Emergency room use of hypnosis
01:44 < Mokbortolan_> hmm... nevermind... http://www.amenclinics.net/
01:55 < Utopiah> AFAIK in France it is not that uncommon, never experienced it personnaly but heard some talks about it from "renown" professors & M.D. (not Mulder ;)
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01:57 < nmz787> the man who quit money is cool, but i guess i won't know how he's actually being a part of some society unless i read the book... i mean, if people didn't give him their trash food, which they are basically losing money over, would he still be surviving?
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02:05 < Utopiah> (dedicated association in France http://www.hypnose-medicale.com )
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03:08 < nmz787> the joke: http://xkcd.com/323/
03:08 < nmz787> the research: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810012000037
03:10 < Utopiah> http://litd.psch.uic.edu/personal/jwiley/drunk.pdf
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03:21 < nmz787> anyone awake, is there a way to background/screen a unix process that i'm already running
03:21 < nmz787> i.e. so it keeps running
03:23 < Utopiah> http://www.unix.com/man-page/OpenSolaris/1/disown/ http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/neercs
03:24 < nmz787> i'm actually in ubuntu not unix, using bash
03:25 < nmz787> looks like it works there too, i think
03:26 < nmz787> Utopiah: have you used neercs?
03:26 < Utopiah> nop
03:27 < nmz787> hmm
03:28 < nmz787> what can i test this with, so i don't screw my process that I need to not screw up
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04:12 < nmz787> couldn't get disown to work with nano.... process died, prob ssh failed or something... restarted it in screen
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05:16 < Utopiah> current The Economist cover on 3D printing
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06:33 < delinquentme> kanzure, you up yet?
06:33 < delinquentme> So niche markets obv a huge thing ... which isnt a problem as the LH002 isn't necessarily a niche machine
06:34 < delinquentme> but when it comes to picking out corp partners ...
06:34 < delinquentme> you want someone whos specializes in the direction you're looking to grow
06:34 < delinquentme> IDK what direction that is
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06:57 < kanzure> nmz787: yes, you can use "screen" itself
07:05 < kanzure> "this declaration from ALLEA (ALL European Academies: The European Federation of National Academies of Sciences and Humanities) on Open Science for the 21st century, it is very positive and worth a quick read (it's only 3 pages"
07:05 < kanzure> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/e-infrastructure/docs/allea-declaration-1.pdf
07:05 < kanzure> "The Academies commit themselves to debate and promote practical applications of open science principles within their national arenas of activity, and to jointly advocate their adoption also in the international domain."
07:05 < kanzure> "The European Commission proposes that under “Horizon 2020”, the successor to FP7, all research results are to be made available and accessible for everyone."
07:07 < delinquentme> kanzure,
07:07 < delinquentme> how pick niche market
07:07 < kanzure> go find them and see which one you like more
07:28 < delinquentme> kanzure, the codes that gets sent to whatever controller for a reprap are simply " G91 G28 X0 Y0 " etc over and over ja?
07:31 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone,
07:31 < delinquentme> howdeh!
07:40 < kanzure> i don't know if reprap has a gcode parser or not
07:43 < delinquentme> yeah I think this grbl thing is what I want
07:43 < delinquentme> wah wah we wah
07:44 < delinquentme> i need to get infront of some machines
07:45 < delinquentme> it supports arcs
07:45 < delinquentme> makes for fast mechs
07:49 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbkA3P4hrqc
07:49 < delinquentme> awesome 8 bit
07:51 < delinquentme> http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=wizwars >_<
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07:56 < delinquentme> ^^^^
07:56 < delinquentme> HOWDEH
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08:02 < delinquentme> call w gilson in 30 kanzure
08:02 < delinquentme> >_< you wanna give me a peptalk?
08:03 < ParahSailin> tell him gibson assembly is overrated
08:04 < delinquentme> gibson assembly?
08:04 < delinquentme> thats something related to DNA no?
08:07 < kanzure> who is gilson?
08:09 < delinquentme> " What got you interested in this job ?" >> Money.
08:09 < delinquentme> ( job application ) should I rub them off a little " Money. Fame. Fortune. Fast Cars and Good Food "
08:09 < delinquentme> i think i will lolol
08:09 < delinquentme> kanzure, gilson is https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gilson.com%2F&ei=-XuRT7mxEqiu6AHX2omABA&usg=AFQjCNGqivRudBWdd6GXxxowRonJa8GZQQ
08:09 < delinquentme> ehhh
08:09 < delinquentme> www.gilson.com
08:10 < kanzure> what are you talking with them about?
08:11 < delinquentme> sponsorship
08:11 < kanzure> ok. what's your pitch?
08:12 < delinquentme> I'm going to go in conversationally and then basically mini pitch him on the benefits of open source
08:12 < delinquentme> and end up with the fact that I can prototype this for 15g
08:12 < delinquentme> PROTOTYPE
08:12 < delinquentme> gonna ask him about supplying OEM parts
08:12 < kanzure> don't mention open source yet
08:12 < kanzure> you are not tactful enough to win someone over with "open source"
08:13 < delinquentme> basically I make the platform they provide the heavy complex parts
08:13 < kanzure> i wonder if there's a photocurable biopolymer
08:14 < kanzure> http://amt.tuwien.ac.at/projekte/3d_structuring_of_biophotopolymers/
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08:20 < ParahSailin> well put the photoacid in with anything and it can be photopatternable
08:23 < kanzure> text mining manifesto http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/do-we-need-manifesto/
08:23 < kanzure> http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/elsevier-agrees/
08:26 < kanzure> that was via Heather Piwowar <hpiwowar@gmail.com>
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08:39 < kanzure> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/open-source-hardware-foundation-launched-gets-darpa-backing
08:39 < kanzure> "Last week, DARPA announced that the recommended simulation environment for its Robotics Challenge for Disaster Environments would be Gazebo, from the the Open Source Robotics Foundation"
08:40 < JayDugger> http://gazebosim.org/
08:44 < delinquentme> cool just finished up
08:47 < kanzure> delinquentme: what's the story?
08:48 < delinquentme> UL was mentioned
08:49 < delinquentme> they want street cred type shit
08:50 < delinquentme> also i gotta do more of these sales calls
08:50 < delinquentme> gotta get good at it
08:54 < kanzure> "street cred type shit" ?
08:55 < kanzure> did you mention open source? and what was the response
08:55 < delinquentme> positively
08:55 < delinquentme> he said thats what he was most interested in
08:56 < delinquentme> obv id be making a platform which could allow more of their OEM parts to be sold
08:56 < delinquentme> THAT is the approach I'd love to have
08:56 < delinquentme> " for a price I can design in specific machining to allow your pumps to be used in the design "
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08:57 < delinquentme> why does pumping need to happen @ 4350 PSI?
08:57 < delinquentme> super high viscosity liquids?
08:58 < delinquentme> i should also say " Id love for you guys to order a prototype "
09:02 < ParahSailin> microfluidics?
09:02 < ParahSailin> because those tiny channels are high resistivity
09:02 < ParahSailin> reynolds number and stuff
09:02 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i think he was talking to him about a liquid handling robot
09:02 < ParahSailin> ah
09:03 < diginet> are we talking about drug dealing or biology because i honestly can't tell anymore\
09:03 < diginet> "street cred type shit"
09:04 < diginet> what is thi- I don't even. . .
09:05 < delinquentme> lol
09:05 < delinquentme> also
09:06 < delinquentme> i need to fuxing fix my website
09:06 < delinquentme> diginet, basically how does one tell whether we're serious or just kids playing w ideas
09:07 < delinquentme> prototypes , UL certs
09:07 < diginet> doesn't "credentials" qualify work just as well?
09:07 < diginet> qualify/work
09:07 < delinquentme> sure
09:10 < ParahSailin> credentials is a lame concept
09:10 < delinquentme> eh
09:10 < delinquentme> its a portfolio
09:11 < delinquentme> interchangeable w degrees etc
09:11 < diginet> to a point, but one needs to have a way to prove he or she is not an idiot
09:12 < kanzure> portfolios are pretty easy to make
09:12 < kanzure> after a year or two of any work experience whatsoever, nobody cares about college
09:20 < delinquentme> cool got the follow up sent
09:21 < delinquentme> annnnddd now I need to build a $8 dollar arduino
09:21 < delinquentme> but kanzure I follow you in the open source worry
09:21 < delinquentme> like its a HUGE thing .. and trying to break down the nuances of why this is disruptive is a huge thing onto itself
09:22 < delinquentme> so its a question of " Why would this individual give a shit about this "
09:23 < kanzure> it has nothing to do about disruption,
09:23 < kanzure> it's like trying to talk to someone in mandarin when they speak english
09:23 < kanzure> brownies: thoughts?
09:23 < delinquentme> haha
09:23 < delinquentme> its a subject onto itself
09:27 < delinquentme> kanzure,
09:27 < delinquentme> ehh nm
09:28 < delinquentme> I think you and brownies are looking for a more conversational approach
09:28 < delinquentme> I want something more like
09:28 < kanzure> conversational? nope
09:28 < delinquentme> " I'd like to have this built yesterday"
09:28 < delinquentme> " Do you want to fund it "
09:28 < kanzure> but you don't know anyone who will fund it
09:29 < kanzure> or anyone who would buy one
09:29 < delinquentme> im kind of lost kanz
09:29 < delinquentme> so.
09:29 < delinquentme> people make liquid handlers
09:29 < delinquentme> I make a type of liquid handler
09:30 < delinquentme> but you want proof that someone will buy it
09:30 < kanzure> actually, no, you made one prototype but you won't let anyone test it out (?)
09:30 < kanzure> i don't want proof.. *you* want proof if you wanna sell it or get VC involved
09:30 < delinquentme> ummm
09:31 < delinquentme> lol
09:31 < delinquentme> kanzure, i just dont know what to say
09:31 < delinquentme> you sound pissy for no reason?
09:31 < kanzure> you're mis-reading me if you think i sound pissy
09:31 < delinquentme> I think theres plenty of things to be worked out
09:32 < delinquentme> and its just making progress on all of them
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09:33 < kanzure> bleh you're not suppoed to leave in a middle of a conversation
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10:32 < JayDugger> Hmm? isn't that the very greatest advantage of IRC?
10:33 < diginet> the greatest advantage of IRC is its not being XMPP
10:33 < JayDugger> Heh.
10:34 < diginet> like seriously, how bloody hard is it to send text over a network, and yet XMPP managed to screw up just about the easiest thing there is to do
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10:50 < diginet> so I'm researching the feasibility of a DIY peptide synthesizer
10:51 < kanzure> diginet: http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ is somewhat related
10:51 < kanzure> that's for dna microarrays and oligo synthesis, not peptide synthesis
10:51 < kanzure> but you'll probably want to do array-basd peptide synthesis, i'm sure..
10:52 < diginet> kanzure, thanks should be of some help
10:52 < diginet> actually, I think peptide synthesis might be easier than oligonucleotide synthesis
10:52 < kanzure> doubt it
10:52 < diginet> speeding up the reaction is as simple as putting it in a microwave
10:52 < diginet> (literally)
10:53 < diginet> the hard part is getting the chemicals and timing the reactions
10:53 < diginet> but who knows
10:54 < diginet> making short peptides is fairly routine, and there's enough information on how to do it by hand (if need be) the question is how to make it fast enough to make macroscopic quantities
10:56 < kanzure> you ever gonna start publishing your notes??
10:56 < kanzure> erm.. only meant one question mark
10:57 < kanzure> by publishing i mean uploading
10:57 < diginet> my notes are in a notebook, I don't have a scanner as of right now
10:58 < JayDugger> 1dollarscan, officedrop, etc. scanning services abound,
10:58 < diginet> I know, I don't drive though, which means I have to get my mom to take me to a fedex or something
10:59 < JayDugger> OfficeDrop will mail you a pre-paid envelope.
10:59 < diginet> I don't want to rip the paper out of the notebook though
10:59 < kanzure> why not just use typed notes -_-
11:00 < diginet> because I'm kind of a luddite when it comes to that
11:00 < diginet> I prefer to write
11:00 < JayDugger> Because I had notes that predated my ability to type.
11:00 < JayDugger> Because I had notes from jobs where I couldn't bring a computer into the building,
11:00 < kanzure> $1 per 100 pages?
11:01 < diginet> I'm weird, I'm both a technophile and a technophobe
11:01 < JayDugger> Something like that...I had to cut expenses a lot after I wrecked my car last year. Scanning services went on hold.
11:01 < diginet> like, I love computers, electronics, etc, but I don't have a cell phone, don't have a tablet, don't read ebooks, handwrite things
11:01 < JayDugger> If that's 1dollarscan, they do pretty good work if you don't need it in a hurry.
11:02 < kanzure> JayDugger: thanks
11:02 < kanzure> haha what? "The basic plan PDF will not include the title in the file name. If you want a title such as "THE TALE OF PETER RABBIT.pdf”, add this option."
11:02 < diginet> actually, the thing that bothers me about cell phones is that expectation they give people that one is required to *always* be available
11:03 < diginet> *the
11:03 < kanzure> oh neat, they accept direct shipments from amazon
11:03 < kanzure> diginet: uh? just turn it off or disable the phone feature
11:03 < diginet> oh, I also use film cameras
11:03 < diginet> no, I mean the sociological expectation I mean
11:04 < kanzure> this conversation is boring
11:04 < diginet> most people (in the West anyway) have cell phones
11:04 < diginet> sorry
11:04 < diginet> woops, two "I means"
11:06 < diginet> I dunno, I'm rather suspicious of many of the benefits of technology, in the consumer sector
11:06 < diginet> obviously computers have huge benefits in science, industry, etc
11:06 < diginet> but most people use them to generate worthless information
11:07 < _F7_> You aren't most people
11:07 < diginet> sure, I'm just saying the internet has bred a generation of socially imcompotent morons
11:07 < JayDugger> That's pretty vague.
11:07 < JayDugger> The same could be said of television.
11:08 < kanzure> yawn
11:08 < diginet> it's more a question of magnitude
11:08 < kanzure> please leave your elitist bullshit outside
11:08 < diginet> elitist?
11:08 < JayDugger> Point taken.
11:08 < kanzure> "socially incompetent morons"
11:08 < _F7_> Neo-luddite stuff
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11:08 < JayDugger> I'll return to my television-hate another time.
11:09 < kanzure> JayDugger: hating ain't that good for you :/
11:09 < diginet> JayDugger, I completely agree that television is in no way a force for good
11:09 < diginet> anyhow, changing subjects, kanzure how does dna microarray oligonucleotide synthesis work, briefly?
11:09 < kanzure> we should setup 1dollarbrainscan.com
11:09 < _F7_> Ship your brain off in a prepaid envelope
11:09 < kanzure> for destructive scanning of samples.
11:10 < kanzure> _F7_: yep
11:10 < _F7_> two week turnaround
11:10 < _F7_> It'd sell like hotcakes in phoenix
11:10 < _F7_> just get the worlds largest refrigerated microtome scanning rig
11:11 < _F7_> and start deli-slicing people for life insurance money
11:11 < kanzure> diginet: it works like regular oligonucleotide synthesis except you have an arrayer that repeats the reaction steps in each well
11:11 < kanzure> and/or you use a DMD array and do the array on a small scale (microarray)
11:11 < kanzure> _F7_: another way to do it might be just general 3d scanning of things
11:11 < kanzure> but that's probably more costly to ship
11:12 < kanzure> you could have people come by with cell phones and do stereo scanning of 3d objects
11:12 < kanzure> hah
11:12 < diginet> oh okay, I had some vision of each well containing one BP and the DMD catalysing the reaction by shining light on th ein betweens (sort of like connecting dots in a grid to form a chain)
11:12 < _F7_> There's that half-bakery of the EVO phone with the Dual HD cameras
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11:13 < kanzure> diginet: you catalyze one addition at a time, then wash, replace the chemicals, ...
11:13 < diginet> ah okay, I see
11:14 < diginet> you know what I was thinking, sort of on this very subject: have you guys ever gotten frustrated with politics, when people refuse to automate things because it will make people "lose their jobs"
11:14 < kanzure> frustration doesn't build robots
11:14 < kanzure> people build robots
11:14 < diginet> i.e. we can't cut out unnecessary middlemen, deadweight, and cruft, that's just, well, Un-American!
11:14 < kanzure> you really need to stop your political ranting, it doesn't make you any more effective at building things
11:15 < _F7_> That's what the definition of a luddite is
11:15 < kanzure> also, my favorite counter argument to you is that people can decide to hire more labor and extract more value, or reduce their workforce, it's up to them
11:15 < diginet> no, I'm saying that's a BAD thing
11:15 < kanzure> you think luddites are inherently bad?
11:15 < diginet> like, automation is GOOD
11:15 < diginet> no
11:16 < kanzure> ok. then leave them alone, and go build your automation.
11:16 < kanzure> they won't understand your planetary gears anyway :)
11:16 < kanzure> *wouldn't
11:16 < _F7_> you are saying that you are an anti-luddite person that likes technological development but you have angst because it's not all utilized toward a laudable goal
11:17 < _F7_> so for some reason you perfer not to utilize it yourself
11:17 < _F7_> You're like an amish guy doing NMOS work for intel
11:17 < diginet> not quite
11:17 < kanzure> _F7_: they exist (i think)
11:18 < kanzure> also, the amish are surprisingly technological
11:18 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2009/02/amish_hackers_a.php
11:18 < kanzure> "The Amish have the undeserved reputation of being luddites, of people who refuse to employ new technology. Yet Amish lives are anything but anti-technological. In fact on my several visits with them, I have found them to be ingenious hackers and tinkers, the ultimate makers and do-it-yourselfers and surprisingly pro technology."
11:19 < diginet> I think that a lot of so-called technological advances do not really offer any benefits over tried and true methods, for example I find writing to be more effective than typing because I remember what I write better.  I am frustrated in turn with those who purposely promote inefficiency to do nothing more than allow goods to change hands
11:20 < diginet> and thus get an unwarranted share
11:20 < JayDugger> Alright, I'll play.
11:20 < JayDugger> "for example I find writing to be more effective than typing because I remember what I write better."
11:20 < JayDugger> That seems pretty selfish. Typing benefits more people than handwriting.
11:21 < diginet> that was just an example, I'm not saying that's universally true for all situations or people
11:21 < JayDugger> Okay.
11:21 < kanzure> diginet: maybe you should experiment with typing as slowly as you write, and then seeing if you remember it better
11:21 < kanzure> also, print it uot and store it like you would your hand-written notes
11:21 < kanzure> so that you don't get any weird effects due to "it being stored somewhere on the hard drive"
11:22 < diginet> I also find the proces sof writing to be less fatiguing than typing, but again, that's just a personal thing
11:22 < diginet> that wasn't the best example, I'm just saying there are things that are lauded as great innovations which don't really offer much besides flashiness or trendiness
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11:28 < diginet> a good example of ludditism would be the GMO fear mongers, that's just anti-science, GMOs offer a demonstrative, manifold benefit over non-modified plants.  Whereas, an example of technoskepticism (that is, informed questioning of claimed benefits of technology, but nnot intrinsically anti-tech) might be asking whether greater connectedness with various assortments of gadgets has benefited modern society or not, for hte av
11:28 < diginet> erage person
11:28 < kanzure> i think it's perfectly legit to ask for gmo food labeling
11:28 < diginet> I'm not saying it HASN'T, but, people assume it has without inquiring in a rigorous manner
11:29 < kanzure> why are you listening to those people ?
11:29 < diginet> kanzure, sure, but GMOs are not intrinsically dangerous as some people would let you believe
11:29 < kanzure> i'm finding this really absurd and distracting in this channel
11:29 < _F7_> I'm trying to remember who it was that told me about 'DNA free' food being sold in the UK
11:29 < kanzure> is there some value that you extract by parroting their arguments?
11:29 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
11:29 < diginet> whose arguments?
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11:29 < kanzure> diginet: please just stop talking about your "GMO luddites".. who cars
11:29 < kanzure> *cares
11:29 < kanzure> you are perfectly able to eat GMO food, and if you want to you should go right ahead
11:30 < diginet> but the opinions of others affects how we as a society progress
11:30 < kanzure> eh? not really
11:30 < diginet> voting?
11:30 < diginet> look at how GMOs were banned in Europe
11:30 < kanzure> "banned"
11:30 < kanzure> who cares? you can still make your own GMO food
11:30 < diginet> if most people are led to believe they are dangerous, then what are the effects of that?
11:31 < diginet> but I care about the positive betterment of humanity
11:31 < kanzure> yes there are consequences to lying to people, so you shouldn't promote their arguments man
11:31 < diginet> I'M NOT
11:31 < kanzure> you keep bringing them up
11:31 < kanzure> haha
11:31 < diginet> I'm saying the anti-GMO people are practicing a harmful form of pseudo-skepticism
11:31 < kanzure> and...?
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11:31 < kanzure> nobody in here takes them seriously
11:32 < diginet> I know, I was juxtaposing htem to my own views
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11:47 < Mokbortolan_> neat
11:48 < Mokbortolan_> has there been any significant criticism of the animal studies done on GMO corn consumption?
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11:51 < kanzure> skorket: hi
11:52 < skorket> hey kanzure
11:52 < skorket> what's new?
11:53 < kanzure> i'm blanking. all sorts of things, i don't know. what category?
11:54 < skorket> biology, electronics...
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12:06  * Mokbortolan_ dreams of metamaterial neutron reflectors.
12:10  * diginet dreams of compact neutrino detectors
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12:14 < ParahSailin> this amish article is interesting
12:15 < ParahSailin> i see they use pneumatic stuff-- what are the pros and cons of pneumatic vs hydraulic
12:15 < ParahSailin> as the OSE guys use hydraulic power
12:15 < ParahSailin> is hydraulic stuff just higher power?
12:15 < kanzure> the amish are famous for "everything's pneumatics!"
12:18 < Mokbortolan_> I liked the pneumatic blender I saw on a documentary
12:20 < kanzure> "Rather than employ the precautionary principle, which says, unless you can prove there is no harm, don't use new technology, the Amish rely on the enthusiasm of Amish early adopters to try stuff out until they prove harm."
12:23 < ParahSailin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpstart_Our_Business_Startups_Act
12:23 < ParahSailin> its now legal for a kickstarter-like site to deal in equity
12:24 < ParahSailin> so instead of chump charities you could make a site where you solicit capital from little guys
12:26 < kanzure> there are tons of these sites popping up
12:26 < ParahSailin> there are?
12:26 < kanzure> oh man, tons
12:26 < kanzure> they all gambled on JOBS going through
12:27 < ParahSailin> what's one
12:27 < kanzure> let me find the links
12:28 < kanzure> ParahSailin: non-startup related include indiegogo, kickstarter, peerbackers, rockethub, chipin, microryza
12:29 < ParahSailin> ah so kickstarer will now allow equity as one of the rewards?
12:29 < kanzure> nope i said non-startup-related
12:29 < kanzure> kickstarter has explicitly said no, too
12:30 < kanzure> still trying to find my old linkdump for you
12:30 < ParahSailin> so kickstarter is ignoring JOBS?
12:30 < kanzure> they specifically don't want to be involved in equity transactions, yes
12:31 < kanzure> crowdtilt; i don't think they are aiming for JOBS-relatd things however
12:31 < kanzure> petridish; but this is just science-only too
12:32 < kanzure> ParahSailin: this used to be one iirc http://profounder.com/
12:33 < ParahSailin> so no active equity crowdfunding sites
12:33 < kanzure> noo there is, i'm just really sucking at remembering the names
12:34 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://www.crowdcube.com/ there you go
12:34 < kanzure> and this http://www.capangel.com/
12:37 < kanzure> http://startersfund.com/
12:37 < ParahSailin> doesnt look like they are registered with sec yet, which is one of the requirements
12:37 < kanzure> http://gambitious.com/ (for games-only)
12:37 < kanzure> http://www.assob.com.au/
12:38 < kanzure> http://www.anaxago.com/
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12:38 < kanzure> i still can't find the one site in particular that i was thinking of.. people knew this would happen and have been scrambling to deploy their sites
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12:59 < ParahSailin> im getting a job offer at a bioinformatics place, genome sequencing and assembly service
13:01 < kanzure> do they look like they will survive the storm if whole genome sequencing drops to $1/genome?
13:02 < ParahSailin> no
13:02 < kanzure> heh
13:02 < ParahSailin> http://www.eurekagenomics.com/ws/home.html
13:03 < kanzure> well, at least they do some assembly
13:03 < ParahSailin> their houston office is all assembly
13:19 < _F7_> bluh, it's not even gale force winds and my car got a pool umbrella blown into it
13:20 < _F7_> another dent for the dentmobile
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13:44 < Cat4D> For the scientifically inclined, the US military and DHS attacks the Kilauea volcano to regulate its activity when there is ANY "national special security event" in Hawaii region, for this, the Dali-Lama's speech at HNL. http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/deformation.php
13:45 < kanzure> neat the fbi is being generous with everyone's budgets
13:48 < Mokbortolan_1> ... attacks it?
13:48 < Mokbortolan_1> like, with bombs?
13:48  * katsmeow-afk is trying to find the link tween deformation and disinformation
13:48 < strangewarp> "attack", when not used literally, is an agitprop word and you should feel bad.
13:50 < Mokbortolan_1> I can't find any reference to any sort of military attack on a volcano
13:50 < Mokbortolan_1> doesnt' mean it's not there, I just can't find it...
13:50  * katsmeow-afk feels appropriately bd
13:52  * Mokbortolan_1 attacks a slice of cheesecake.
13:55 < _F7_> how does the FBI budget thing work?
13:55 < _F7_> By 'everyone's budgets' do you mean the SF trip?
13:58 < Cat4D> no, its a field flux pulse, microwave style
13:59 < Cat4D> unfortionately my field-effect sensors that track the energy fields around the tube and active flows also confirm it... more than USN/USAF want
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13:59 < Cat4D> zap the bubbles, control the flow/seismics
14:01 < kanzure> _F7_: yes.. they are paying for travel, hotels, food and taxi
14:01 < delinquentme> http://www.nature.com/news/regenerative-medicine-repairs-mice-from-top-to-toe-1.10472
14:01 < delinquentme> MOUSES
14:01 < kanzure> you mean mice
14:07 < kanzure> _F7_: you should get an email about it
14:07 < _F7_> MEESES
14:08 < kanzure> that's the JAX alternate breed
14:09 < _F7_> The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections.
14:09 < kanzure> pft eternal erections are easy, it's just not great for the heart
14:10 < _F7_> it's not good for the tissue
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14:11 < kanzure> also: are you also alarmed that snails are so dumb?
14:11 < delinquentme> kanzure, you know how they say >4 hours call the doctor
14:11 < delinquentme> they "relieve" it
14:11 < delinquentme> large needle
14:11 < _F7_> ever seen a priapism after about a day?
14:11 < kanzure> lancing, i'm sure..
14:12 < delinquentme> i think eating right an exercise might be easier
14:12 < kanzure> than lancing?
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14:14 < delinquentme> yeah haha
14:14 < delinquentme> but then im not a porn star making my living off of it
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16:26 < delinquentme> anyone have ideas on how to get a non- trojaned windows 7?
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16:35 < nmz787> man, HPLC is pretty bitchin... got to set that all up today
16:39 < delinquentme> ^^
16:39 < delinquentme> i've seen one of those machines
16:40 < nmz787> separated excedrin, generic excedrin, generic tylenol. and diet coke
16:41 < katsmeow-afk> 3 are solid, one is liquid
16:41 < katsmeow-afk> unless, the 3 were dissolved ini the liquid, in which case i admire your tenacity
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16:43 < nmz787> they were all separate... then we had the aspirin, acetaminophen, and caffeine pure standards in like 4 or 5 diff concentrations
16:44 < nmz787> pures were separate for retention time identification, and mixed for the concentration curves
16:46 < nmz787> katsmeow-afk:  had to grind the pills to get them in liquid :P
16:46 < delinquentme> making DRUGS
16:46 < nmz787> no, separating DRUGS
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16:46 < delinquentme> did you do the peanutty goodness?
16:47 < nmz787> dunno what that means
16:47 < kanzure> he probably means peanut butter
16:47 < delinquentme> wern't you talking about using peanuts on something?
16:47 < delinquentme> i thought it was a HLPC
16:47 < delinquentme> Kim dotcom's trial might not ever happen
16:47 < kanzure> peanut butter isn't a"a HLPC"
16:47 < delinquentme> #lulzProcess
16:47 < kanzure> btw, it's HPLC not HLPC
16:47 < delinquentme> good catch
16:48 < delinquentme> kanzure, where does one get clean versions of windows 7
16:48 < kanzure> you don't. don't install windows.
16:49 < nmz787> ahh
16:49 < nmz787> lol
16:49 < nmz787> nah, used a C8 (octane) column
16:49 < delinquentme> im not gonna try to run solidworks on a instance
16:49 < kanzure> works for me
16:49 < delinquentme> what the hell is it called .... virtual box
16:50 < nmz787> delinquentme: clean = buy
16:50 < delinquentme> yeh =/
16:50 < nmz787> kanzure prob has a "sticker" on the bottom of his laptop that he isnt' using
16:51 < kanzure> it turns out i have a small windows xp partition
16:51 < kanzure> but i haven't used it since 2008 or something
16:51 < nmz787> ! !! !!!
16:51 < delinquentme> actually i've got a XP pro legit cd
16:51 < katsmeow-afk> woooooooooo
16:51 < delinquentme> im not sure if it jives with the solidworks i was running
16:51 < nmz787> you could try microxp
16:51 < nmz787> or tinyxp
16:51 < nmz787> .net doesn't work
16:51 < nmz787> and neither does internet explorer
16:52 < nmz787> or something like that
16:52 < delinquentme> microxp huh
16:52 < delinquentme> is that a windows official release?
16:52  * katsmeow-afk wants to undo the restriction on 10 working ports at once, without installing more problems
16:53 < delinquentme> brb
16:53 < katsmeow-afk> delinquentme, duckduckgo is your friend
16:53 < delinquentme> oh also!
16:53 < delinquentme> dont start new sass / compass projects right now
16:53 < delinquentme> its a mess.
16:53 < kanzure> duckduckgo is nobody's friend. who the hell wants to use bing?
16:53 < delinquentme> kanzure, listen
16:53 < delinquentme> Bono is famous ok
16:54 < delinquentme> thats how you know its a good search engine
16:54 < delinquentme> HE ENDORSES BING
16:54 < kanzure> ?
16:54 < delinquentme> HES GOT IT ON HIS PHONE!
16:54 < katsmeow-afk> sonny bono is dead
16:54 < kanzure> dude why do you always sound brain damaged
16:54 < delinquentme> lol actually my browser defaults to bing .. its
16:54 < delinquentme> miserable
16:54 < delinquentme> lololol
16:55 < ParahSailin_> whats wrong with duckduckgo?
16:55 < kanzure> it's bing
16:56  * katsmeow-afk weeps
16:57 < delinquentme> katsmeow-afk, does you have clean win 7s?
16:57 < ParahSailin_> really its bing?
16:57 < kanzure> yep..
16:57 < katsmeow-afk> on a laptop, i think
16:57 < delinquentme> ever send someone an .iso?
16:58 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, some troll asked for a pic of me naked, i sent him win95 iso
16:58 < nmz787> kanzure: wtf, duckduckgo is bing?
16:59 < delinquentme> lolol
16:59 < delinquentme> not bad :D but I need a win 7 iso :D
17:00 < nmz787> i think theres a tiny/micro 7
17:00 < nmz787> slim
17:00 < nmz787> all good keywords
17:01 < delinquentme> http://137.190.19.14/  and something called"technet"
17:01 < katsmeow-afk> DuckDuckGo is not Google. Or Bing. Or Yahoo. Or Ask. Or AOL. But that’s a good thing. A fact which 1 million souls agree with. On Feb 13 DuckDuckGo reached a new milestone, racking up 1 million direct searches in a day for the first time in its history. With 1 billion searches daily, that figure
17:01 < katsmeow-afk>  tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2012/02/16/duckduckgo-hit...   More results
17:02 < kanzure> *shrug* it is using bing
17:02 < delinquentme> nmz787, whats the origin of these "micro" versions
17:02 < kanzure> torrent release groups
17:03 < katsmeow-afk> uhhhh,, duplicate search on ddg and bing gets the results in same order
17:03 < nmz787> ppl like kanzure that like windows a bit more than he does
17:04 < nmz787> you basically copy all the files from the windows release, maybe unpack them... clean out the crap you don't want, modify the installer config
17:04 < delinquentme> yeah that still semi-questionable
17:04 < nmz787> then repack
17:04 < nmz787> you never heard of bartPe
17:04 < nmz787> ?
17:04 < delinquentme> I messed with some OS packaging software a while ago
17:04 < nmz787> they've been around for... at least 6 or  years
17:05 < nmz787> 7*
17:05 < delinquentme> kk brb i gotta go get these solidworks creds
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17:16 < delinquentme> good news is my version will run on win XP :D
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17:18 < katsmeow-afk> oh no! blarg quit! how will Penny deal with this?!
17:19 < katsmeow-afk> (Lost In Space) reference
17:19 < delinquentme> lost in space gave me a crush on heather graham
17:20 < delinquentme> and the robot from the newer version was super awesome
17:20 < katsmeow-afk> i did not like the new robot at all
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17:25 < katsmeow-afk> with the detailed anime chars they can do now, i wish they'd redo Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
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17:27 < delinquentme_> alright! emoving old images of linux
17:27 < delinquentme_> if i dont come b ack
17:27 < delinquentme_> well im dead
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17:33 < nmz787> i only vaguely remember FF spirits within... but i think it was pretty good
17:33  * ybit needs more than 3tb/month bandwidth
17:33 < nmz787> i only ever played FFVII, didnt finish it, started playing FFX but then a friend 'borrowed'/stole it
17:33 < ybit> anyone know of a 1Gb/s service offering 5+Tb?
17:34 < ybit> TB, whichever
17:34 < delinquentme_> FF10 was awesome
17:34 < delinquentme_> 12 was sick too
17:34 < delinquentme_> 12x2 id get into as well
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17:45 < ybit> ah, they do go up to 5g
17:45 < ybit> GB
17:48 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, if it's html webpages, the signal-noise rato might be 100:1, use a regular webserver host running php and filter the known garbage and send you what's left
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17:49 < katsmeow-afk> easy way to convert 100k webpages to 1k of text, or grab a 100K webpage to get the url of the pics on it, then dl only the pics
17:49 < katsmeow-afk> ditto pdf links
17:50 < katsmeow-afk> nmz787, i neve played the games, i did see the movie tho
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17:51 < katsmeow-afk> there's not a ton of good things about the movie, but they can fix those in the new one
17:51 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: it's for a tor exit relay
17:52 < katsmeow-afk> the movie was rendered on 800Mhz P3 cpu, i figure if they doubled the number of pentagons and ran it on a new cloud, it might be better
17:52 < ybit> probably going to go with a service that does 3TB/month but only 100Mb/s
17:52 < katsmeow-afk> aka your regular isp?
17:53 < ybit> nope
17:53 < ybit> not running tor exit relay on my home computer
17:53 < ybit> not dealing with blacklisting again
17:53 < katsmeow-afk> you read about the usa feds tracking drug sellers thru tor, busting ~90 of them ?
17:53 < ybit> don't care
17:54 < katsmeow-afk> k
17:54 < ybit> they aren't going to bust the person running the relay
17:54  * katsmeow-afk nods
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18:04 < kanzure> man why is every radio station simultaneously playing pink floyd
18:05 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: you mean the thing starting in 2006?
18:05 < strangewarp> kanzure: it's 4/20
18:05 < strangewarp> also, that is amazing
18:05 < kanzure> austin's a crazy place
18:06 < Cat4D> ybit cryto vps comparison table
18:07 < Cat4D> http://vps-list.cryto.net/
18:09 < kanzure> Cat4D: what are your skills/history?
18:09 < Cat4D> !apply ?
18:10 < kanzure> eh?
18:10 < katsmeow-afk> thing starting in 2006?
18:10 < kanzure> something about some team screwing up their tor setup
18:11 < kanzure> not sure. it was recently announced that the fbi nailed them.
18:11 < kanzure> but it wasn't silk road
18:11 < katsmeow-afk> garden path or something
18:11 < ybit> Cat4D: that's pretty nice
18:11 < Cat4D> 20-40$/mo
18:11 < ybit> they are missing some
18:11 < Cat4D> add them please
18:11 < Cat4D> i put in most of the <$10/mo and have been checking them
18:11 < ybit> binarycpu and ionvm
18:12 < katsmeow-afk> i got a black box saying Loading
18:12 < katsmeow-afk> nothing loads
18:12 < Cat4D> i'll get joepie91 to add a list for VPN and bgp peering gateways
18:12 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: probably need to enable js or use a diff browser
18:12 < Cat4D> server ddos, slow today
18:12 < ybit> s/browser/html layout engine
18:13 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: have you tried phantomjs yet for scraping?
18:13 < ybit> ah, unmetered hosting
18:13 < katsmeow-afk> kanzure, no
18:14 < katsmeow-afk> Cat4D, i see the table from "Traffic" on to the right, but nothing to the left
18:14 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: http://phantomjs.org/ also this approach can be done in python/ruby/wherever qt bindings exist, but for some reason nobody's done it yet
18:14 < Cat4D> most mining tools keep getting federalized
18:14 < Cat4D> phantom is ok, but its not intensive
18:15 < Cat4D> "service violation" blackmail
18:16 < kanzure> Cat4D: what does "intensive" mean
18:16 < Cat4D> ybit ive prepared most of a tor2 system, serves as a public facing mirroring proxy as well, massively distributed, etc
18:17 < Cat4D> and the wrappers are done right, based on what i told the onion idiots before even havenco was set up
18:17 < Cat4D> what are you trying to mine?
18:17 < Cat4D> scrape, whatever
18:17 < Cat4D> mine implies intrusive now
18:17 < ybit> i'm not trying to scrape anything, just need a tor exit relay on 24/7
18:18 < katsmeow-afk> they loose all the exits periodically??
18:18 < Cat4D> ya, any of those 20$ hosts are fine, blue has favouring policy
18:18 < Cat4D> of course, you really want a german one
18:18 < ybit> vpscheap.net is unmetered and ..cheap
18:19 < Cat4D> so you are not allowed to keep logs
18:19 < katsmeow-afk> isn't the point of tor for the scraped site to not know where or who you are, and to that end having different exits is a good thing?
18:19 < Cat4D> please add these to the list, link to add is on top
18:19 < ybit> it's on the list, it's how i found it just now :)
18:19 < Cat4D> you can set up a small distributed cluster yourself and peer it to the outer edges of the public relays
18:20 < Cat4D> check bw, some are 10mbit even still, old data centers
18:20 < Cat4D> make sure you shatter the repository data though, just in case it mirrors something hot
18:21 < Cat4D> some targets, especially weapons tech, are traced using the military system, which locks on to the human at the console and ... zaps it
18:21 < Cat4D> some topics
18:22 < Cat4D> --- why your fone's touch screen is bio-capacitative
18:22 < katsmeow-afk> i still have a black "Loading" box coverng important data, in IE, FF, and K-Meleon
18:22 < Cat4D> so it can record the "intent" that you wanted to terrorisms
18:22 < kanzure> Cat4D: i scrape all sorts of things. basically anything and everything.
18:22 < Cat4D> good
18:22 < kanzure> science, protocols, pokemon
18:22 < kanzure> shoes :p
18:22 < kanzure> (shoes is work-related)
18:22 < Cat4D> target opengl and GLSL shaders and compilers
18:23 < Cat4D> drivers as well
18:23 < Cat4D> work?
18:23 < kanzure> i do app development
18:24 < Cat4D> note ybit there are multiple public tor master clusters, unrelated to the original
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18:27 < kanzure> hrm, actually, why hasn't someone provided public metadata on top of wipo.int patents or something
18:28 < kanzure> haha uspto.gov is ridiculous "IP Contributes $5 Trillion and 40 Million Jobs to Economy"
18:28 < kanzure> according to http://www.uspto.gov/ip/officechiefecon/report_ip_and_the_us_economy.jsp
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18:29 < kanzure> rofl i forgot about their 'dashboard' http://www.uspto.gov/dashboards/patents/main.dashxml
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18:31 < kanzure> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=32&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%22dna+synthesis%22&OS=%22dna+synthesis%22&RS=%22dna+synthesis%22
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18:45 < Cat4D> royalties, dumbass
18:45 < kanzure> yep
18:45 < Cat4D> the ibm patent viewer was massive $ purchase
18:45 < Cat4D> yay! 4k demos in js+webgl
18:45 < kanzure> but more economic value would be created without paying royalties and licensing costs
18:46 < Cat4D> how bout just eradicate that country?
18:46 < kanzure> that's hard
18:46 < Cat4D> not really, they set it up effectively
18:47 < Cat4D> look how they cry about SS problems, wait till they determine /me did 9/11
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18:57 < Cat4D> kanzure you would like http://ship.baywords.com
18:58 < Cat4D> fuk they geocitiesed it!
19:11 < ParahSailin_> tx/rx is pretty cool
19:11 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: did you go?
19:12 < ParahSailin_> yeah
19:12 < ParahSailin_> forrest showed me around
19:12 <@kanzure> i haven't been yet :(
19:13 < katsmeow-afk> http://web.archive.org/web/20110707214709/http://ship.baywords.com/
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19:15 < katsmeow-afk> looks last last update was 4 yrs ago
19:20 < nmz787> "your mom went to college"
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19:26 < delinquentme> klafka, >_< howdeh!
19:27 < klafka> hey
19:27 < klafka> hey delinquentme do you know pymongo?
19:27 < klafka> or anyone else for that matter
19:28  * katsmeow-afk trips on the ambiguity
19:28 < delinquentme> nopes
19:28 < klafka> damn
19:29 < klafka> i kind of wish sometimes i lived in a nerd warehouse and not an art warehouse
19:29 < klafka> or that my warehouse had more nerds in it
19:30 < katsmeow-afk> might be worthy to read, non-electric logic elements operated by pneumatics : http://hydraulicspneumatics.com/other-technologies/chapter-19-moving-part-air-logic-controls
19:32 < klafka> sweet figured it out
19:35 < klafka> main javascript has warped my brain a bit
19:41 < delinquentme> happy days! arduino finished setting up
19:41 < delinquentme> klafka, your guys are using pymongo?
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19:42 < klafka> i'm using pymongo
19:42 < klafka> we mainly use ruby
19:42 <@kanzure> javascript does that to you
19:42 < klafka> and whatever the ruby interface is called for mongo
19:42 <@kanzure> is pymongo just a mongodb thing
19:42 < klafka> yeah
19:42 < klafka> just a wrapper for mongodb
19:42 <@kanzure> k what's up
19:42 < klafka> oh nothing i figured it out actually!
19:42 <@kanzure> aw :(
19:42 < klafka> i needed to import ObjectId from bson
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20:03 <@kanzure> biocurious telepresence robot
20:03 <@kanzure> http://208.74.181.197:5850/Roomba/
20:04 <@kanzure> hmm i seem to be decapitated
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20:07 < Mariu> wow, nice
20:07 <@kanzure> "Don't move the robot unless you've started up a hangout session to watch where you're going, though!"
20:07 <@kanzure> this implementation is dumb
20:08 < Mariu> gotcha, I moved forward and backwards :p
20:08 <@kanzure> why not just a streaming webcam :( why googleplus
20:08 < Mariu> should be where it was
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20:11 < klafka> googleplus is super easy to setup
20:11 < klafka> easier than a streaming web cam
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20:11 <@kanzure> klafka: that doesn't mean it's the right solution :P
20:13 < delinquentme> also know that google shares images on emails
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20:13 < delinquentme> soo if you get pics from someone you're friended on G+
20:13 < delinquentme> Ho ho! they're showing up in your emails
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20:25 < klafka> argh
20:25 < klafka> i don't know why this is acting weird
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22:28 <@kanzure> beep boop
22:28 <@kanzure> ivan`: i apologize for pooping all over your hangout
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22:28 < yashgaroth> eyyo kanz when the fbi sting invites going out
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22:29 < yashgaroth> meeting*
22:29 <@kanzure> sorta kinda been sent out already
22:29 <@kanzure> they got joseph jackson and the wilson center to send them out for them, haha
22:29 < yashgaroth> nooooo
22:30 < yashgaroth> well shit this bird flu ain't gonna sell itself to the north koreans
22:31 <@kanzure> they are inviting a ton of people
22:31 <@kanzure> do you want to go?
22:32 < yashgaroth> sure
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22:35 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: you should email joseph.jackson@gmail.com and myself explaining where you're from and what projects you're up to, and that you'd be interested in attending
22:37 < yashgaroth> bah fine
22:37 <@kanzure> hrm? i can't think of a better way
22:38 <@kanzure> i guess i could send out the email first, but i probably wouldn't do that until tomorrow ;)
22:39 < yashgaroth> well neither would I, but if you do it, we can meet up with the biosearch founder's son in novato :V
22:40 < yashgaroth> anyway it's not like I have a $5 DIY FPLC project going, I'm just one of the few people in diybio who actually knows biology
22:40 < yashgaroth> not to make the community look bad
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22:43 < yashgaroth> well okay I'll send him the email but if I don't get an invite I'm blaming you
22:43 <@kanzure> hahah
22:45 <@kanzure> :(
22:46 <@kanzure> i have no idea what their capacity is like. they are inviting basically everyone.
22:46 <@kanzure> and as far as i know, nobody from san diego yet
22:46 < yashgaroth> well there's no diybio in SD that I know of, I'll ask around at the mini-conference next weekend if anyone's into it though
22:46 < yashgaroth> err, the h+ conference
22:46 <@kanzure> mini-conference? oh i see
22:46 <@kanzure> are you paying for that :(
22:47 < yashgaroth> is there an entry fee?
22:47 <@kanzure> usually..
22:47 <@kanzure> i wouldn't recommend paying
22:47 <@kanzure> either go as a speaker or go as a volunteer, or not at all
22:48 < yashgaroth> hmm lemme see how much it is
22:48 < yashgaroth> I'd rather pay than volunteer
22:48 < yashgaroth> sixty bucks! fuuuuuck
22:48 <@kanzure> not worth it dude
22:48 <@kanzure> volunteer and you might have to plug some cables in
22:49 < yashgaroth> eh screw it I can pay
22:52 <@kanzure> you are insufficiently cheap
22:53 < yashgaroth> heh
22:54 < yashgaroth> do you know anyone else who's going?
22:55 <@kanzure> tons of people
22:55 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: from in here.. myself, nmz787, juul, _F7_, probably someone else
22:55 <@kanzure> oh and maybe you
22:56 < yashgaroth> oh you mean the FBI thing, not the h+ thing
22:56 <@kanzure> and then i know most of the other diybio people who are going, but aren't presently in this channel
22:56 <@kanzure> oh, the h+ thing.. i know nobody going ;)
22:56 <@kanzure> who's running the conference? i probably know those people
22:56 < yashgaroth> mike eddy, john jacobson, jamie dunbaugh
22:56 < yashgaroth> kevin macneel
22:57 < augur> :(
22:57 < augur> this channel depresses me
22:57 < yashgaroth> ?
22:58 <@kanzure> that's not the usual humanityplus roll list
22:58 < yashgaroth> david pearce is speaking as well
22:58 <@kanzure> well, everyone knows him :p
22:58 < yashgaroth> otherwise, they appear to have rolled it into the TEDx thing
22:58 <@kanzure> weird
23:05 < yashgaroth> oh can I mention the microfluidics dna synthesis thing or are you keeping that on the down-low?
23:06 <@kanzure> you can mention it
23:06 < yashgaroth> k sent
23:06 <@kanzure> ah yes, definitely to joe- joe knows about it
23:07 <@kanzure> and joe is an avid transhumanist as well, all is well..
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23:07 < yashgaroth> heh, seems to be true of 90% of diybio'ers happily
23:08 <@kanzure> oorrr i just keep all of you guys in a bubble and only show you the good stuff
23:08 <@kanzure> s/good/awul
23:08 <@kanzure> *awful <- failed
23:08 < yashgaroth> oooh I wonder if alec nielsen's going
23:09 <@kanzure> i think he's in sf now
23:10 < yashgaroth> wouldn't surprise
23:10 < yashgaroth> fuck maybe I should just move up there
23:10 < delinquentme> its alive :D
23:14 <@kanzure> "two per region"
23:14 <@kanzure> what does that mean
23:15 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: btw if you go, you will probably have to give a short 10min presentation
23:15 < yashgaroth> I can do that
23:16 < yashgaroth> also I can represent the great state of nebraska if necessary
23:19 < yashgaroth> two per region seems kind of arbitrary considering the region of cambridge
23:19 <@kanzure> i don't know what a region is
23:19 <@kanzure> california? what about all the biocurious people
23:20 < yashgaroth> there seem to be three active people in san diego diybio, depending on your definition of 'active'
23:21 <@kanzure> haha oh i heart this a lot:
23:22 <@kanzure> a "yahoo! answers" question about myostatin
23:22 <@kanzure> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120420213437AAJS5Xa
23:22 <@kanzure> aww, zero answers.. i am so disappointed. "yahoo! answers" are usually the most hilarious.
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23:28 < delinquentme> christian mingle is trying to recruit me
23:28 < delinquentme> thoughts?
23:28 < delinquentme> suggestions?
23:28 < yashgaroth> is that like eharmony
23:29 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, its better
23:29 < delinquentme> purity +10
23:30 < Mariu> recruit you for what ?
23:30 < yashgaroth> considering american employment laws they may require you to be, uh, faithful
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23:30 < yashgaroth> to jayzus
23:30 < Mariu> LOL
23:30 < katsmeow-afk> and str8
23:30 < delinquentme> i think thats my fav.
23:30 < delinquentme> pray to jay!
23:30 < delinquentme> katsmeow-afk, listen gay for pay is OK
23:31 < delinquentme> dont even say 'aint no way'
23:31 < delinquentme> ok yeh sleep deprived :D
23:31 < delinquentme> katsmeow-afk, STEPPERS MOVED :D
23:31 < delinquentme> including the acceleration lib!
23:33 < katsmeow-afk> congrats
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23:52 <@kanzure> "Dr. Masters said cell banks report that 20 percent of cell lines sent for inclusion in their repositories for use by researchers are improperly identified"
23:52 <@kanzure> "He was co-chair of an international committee of scientists that released voluntary guidelines this year to begin solving the problem. They call for, among other measures, routine profiling of cell lines using a DNA technique employed in forensics called "short tandem repeats," or STR."
23:52 <@kanzure> "It may take a year or more to find the right combination of nutrients to keep cancer cells growing. Once a line is established, scientists often share them with colleagues, who then grow them in their own labs. The problem is that many scientists don't test the cells when shipping or receiving a batch."
23:53 <@kanzure> "he most famous and ubiquitous human cancer cell line was the first­an aggressive, fast-growing cervical cancer taken from Henrietta Lacks of Maryland before her death in 1951. It has been shared with scientists world-wide in the decades since, playing a broad role in medical research spanning polio to hemophilia."
23:53 <@kanzure> "The so-called HeLa cells, named for Ms. Lacks, also have taken over other cancer cell lines, many times unknown to researchers."
23:53 <@kanzure> "These mix-ups are maddeningly difficult to pinpoint: an improperly sterilized pipette, a lab worker momentarily distracted, a misread label or a typo on a record sheet. Cell repositories in the U.S., U.K., Germany, and Japan have estimated that [18 - 36] percent of cancer cell lines are incorrectly identified. "
23:53 <@kanzure> "Dr. Tarin himself is at the center of a lingering debate over the true identity of a famous breast cancer cell line known as MDA-MB-435. Dr. Tarin has spent 25 years working with that cell line -­ or so he thinks. A body of research suggests that MDA-MB-435 isn't breast cancer; many scientists now believe the cells growing in labs and used in decades of research are Melanoma."
23:54 < yashgaroth> sounds about right
23:54 < delinquentme> night all
23:54 < delinquentme> sreep tight !
23:55 <@kanzure> "Nearly 40 years later, Dr. Masters, in a study of scientific papers published between 2000 and 2004, found nearly a 1,000 citations of the same contaminated cancer lines revealed in Dr. Gartler's 1966 findings, which have since been replicated many times using more advanced techniques. "They are either crooks or stupid," said Dr. Masters."
23:55 <@kanzure> "Financial donors to cancer research are unaware of the problem, Dr. Masters said, and "it would be a pity if money stopped going to cancer research" because scientists fail to test their cell lines, a procedure that costs about $200." (er, $200 is a bit high)
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