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00:31 < kanzure> night
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02:07 < thyla> ok who is here?
02:08 < thyla> I just found a factual lie on penn state's website
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08:09 < nmz787> http://genome.duke.edu/press/news/post.php?s=2012-04-24-violence-puts-wear-and-tear-on-kids-dna
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09:36 < thyla> [12:36] <thyla> some woman named "Andrea" at  Penn State thinks we already have the technology to build exobots.
09:36 < thyla> [12:36] <thyla> Maybe someone should email her
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09:39 < kanzure> hrm i don't know why all my .tar.gz files keep on ending up being .tar files
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09:49 < vrs> no z option?
09:57 < kanzure> no i remember z...
09:58 < kanzure> it's happened once or twice before.. either fenn or jrayhawk pointed it out
09:58 < kanzure> but now the russians are on my back about it
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10:24 < nmz787> ruskies eh?
10:25 < nmz787> you working for them now?
10:25 < nmz787> man DIYbio has been really slow/low-volume lately
10:27 < kanzure> nmz787: there are a lot of ruskies interested in nanoengineer
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10:32 < kanzure> nmz787: like Алексей Татаренко, Евгений Сильвёрстов, Ратмир Сайфутдинов, Сергей Евфратов, Василий Артюхов, matvey ezhov, vasilii artyukhov, danila medvedev, etc.
10:38 < nmz787> ???
10:38 < nmz787> i see
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12:23 < jrayhawk> you should be using -J anyway
12:26 < kanzure> tar zxvf, tar czf right?
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12:58 < thyla> So russians have no word for baloon
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12:59 < thyla> they say (literally)   "airy little ball"
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13:17 < kanzure> why don't they just say balloon?
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13:37 < archels> http://gizmodo.com/5906913/this-man-had-a-taser-dart-stuck-in-his-brain-and-didnt-even-realize
13:38 < kanzure> archels: shit happens :)
13:38 < eudoxia> this kind of stuff happens so often it's not even interesting anymore :|
13:38 < eudoxia> not to belittle your link or anything
13:39 < kanzure> yeah man, just last night i got a blowdart lodged in my prefrontal cortex
13:39 < kanzure> thought nothing of it just kept coding
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14:14 < archels> hahaha
14:15 < archels> Well, it's a miracle they didn't permanently lobotomize this poor individual, although I'm sure he would have been functionally lobotomized for a good while...
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14:35 < katsmeow-afk> pictures show the dart sticking out of his head a good inch, how the hell did no one notice? It's not like it matches one sticking out on the otehr side
14:35 < yashgaroth> maybe he was wearing a hat
14:36 < katsmeow-afk> and it didn't fall off at any time during the struggle with cops, or the exam thereafter
14:36 < yashgaroth> elastic hat
14:37 < katsmeow-afk> so it was in his brain a "couple of millimeters", and i presume the cops pulled the trigger and shocked him with a few dozen kv?
14:39 < chris_99> might be of interest to you guys http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/script-ed/vol7-3/hawkins.asp
14:39 < chris_99> regarding genes & patents
14:40 < chris_99> (in europe)
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17:08 < delinquentme> man made:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/James_Webb_Primary_Mirror.jpg
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17:15 < eudoxia> looks rad as fuck
17:15 < eudoxia> too bad it's getting cancelled
17:19 < kanzure> DARPA funding o'reilly to put some hackerspaces in high schools
17:19 < kanzure> http://makerspace.com/2012/05/01/makerspace-playbook/
17:19 < kanzure> http://makerspacedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/makerspaceplaybook-201204.pdf
17:19 < kanzure> http://makerspacedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/hsmakerspacetoolsmaterials-201204.pdf
17:20 < kanzure> why is their workspace carpeted -_-
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17:34 < kanzure> huh is personal laser hair removal a thing?
17:35 < kanzure> " the FDA has approved at-home, do-it-yourself laser treatments for almost permanent hair removal" fascinating
17:36 < kanzure> diy colorimeter
17:36 < kanzure> http://www.iorodeo.com/colorimeter
17:36 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iorodeo-colorimeter/educational-colorimeter-kit
17:37 < kanzure> and nmz787's thing.. which did not get funded http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/makerhaus/open-spectrometer?ref=history
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18:11 < kanzure> hi roksprok_, jmil
18:12 < roksprok_> hi everyone
18:13 < roksprok_> kanzure would you mind looking over a 'please hire me for a while' email i was thinking of sending out?
18:14 < kanzure> uh i was thinking of paying you to finish the protocol site
18:14 < kanzure> but yeah sure send it along to me.. kanzure@gmail.com
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18:17 < roksprok_> sent...thanks a lot
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18:20 < kanzure> holy hell no
18:20 < kanzure> yeah i'll send you some edits
18:21 < kanzure> oh nice.. https://github.com/roksprok/Scraping/blob/master/openprotocolsscraper.py
18:22 < kanzure> is this it? https://github.com/roksprok/OpenProtocols
18:22 < kanzure> related note: most people don't commit .pyc files because python recreates those
18:22 < roksprok_> hah that bad? damn
18:23 < roksprok_> does that mean i should stop just doing git add .
18:23 < kanzure> hrmm well
18:23 < roksprok_> or is there a settings file where i can exclude things?
18:23 < kanzure> what i do is i add "*.pyc" to .gitignore
18:23 < kanzure> observe..
18:23 < kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/tree/master/.gitignore
18:24 < kanzure> perhaps less interesting.. https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/blob/master/.gitignore
18:25 < roksprok_> cool will add
18:33 < roksprok_> *dumb question alert* when you merge two branches, will only overlapping stuff raise a conflict or will any difference raise one?
18:33 < kanzure> only merge conflicts will be brought to your attention
18:51 < jmil> o/ kanzure
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18:54 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
18:58 < delinquentme> http://blakemasters.tumblr.com/post/21437840885/peter-thiels-cs183-startup-class-5-notes-essay
18:59 < delinquentme> If people complain about people behind each other’s backs, you have a problem. If people don’t trust each other to do good work, you have a problem. But if people know that their teammates are going to deliver, you’re good. Even if they are all calling each other idiots.
18:59 < JayDugger> I'd feel more sanguine if the quote beneath the blog header didn't come from the role-playing-game Eclipse Phase.
18:59 < kanzure> roksprok_: ok writing my reply
19:00 < roksprok_> Isn't Apple a pretty strong counter example to the intro of that article?
19:00 < roksprok_> ty kanzure
19:00 < roksprok_> 'don't be a cult'
19:01 < JayDugger> Going on to quote Francis Bacon’s Novum Organum soothes my qualm about the earlier quote.
19:01 < kanzure> cultivist: adj. one who advocates and performs the cultivation of cults
19:01 < kanzure> i want a cult that makes cults
19:02 < jrayhawk> advocate for absolute truth, but do so through ambiguous analogies
19:02 < jrayhawk> it'll take a long time to beat abrahamism, though
19:02 < kanzure> jrayhawk: are you making suggestions for how a proper metacult would be structured?
19:03 < kanzure> brownies: are you around?
19:06 < roksprok_> delinquentme: do you know how long the cs183 class is?  ie how paraphrased are the notes?
19:07 < delinquentme> nah it just says that its not a direct transcript
19:07 < delinquentme> roksprok, apple culture within their employees?
19:07 < delinquentme> simple retort : " Are they clearly kicking ass within societal ranking "
19:07 < delinquentme> questionmark
19:08 < delinquentme> while society isnt the best of tools to measure with ... they're not operating the LHC
19:08 < roksprok_> honestly i am just going off Pirates of Silicon Valley...
19:10 < roksprok_> I still have not read Isaccson's Steve Jobs
19:11 < roksprok_> does anyone know if kickstarter will do a chargeback if a reward is not provided?
19:12 < kanzure> lots of kickstarter projects don't deliver on the rewards
19:12 < kanzure> and in general no it hasn't been the case
19:12 < kanzure> kickstarter will only charge you once the project is fully funded and it's the 45 day mark (or whatever)
19:14 < roksprok_> here is a DIY Arduino EEG that it appears like the project creators just kind of quit after a year.  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/86514518/diy-arduino-eeg?ref=users
19:15 < yashgaroth> what about if you don't meet the funding goal?
19:15 < roksprok_> no money changes hands then
19:15 < kanzure> yashgaroth: project fails to get funded
19:16 < yashgaroth> oh that sucks
19:16 < kanzure> sadly this was the fate of nmz787's open spectrometer
19:16 < kanzure> http://openspectrometer.com/
19:16 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/makerhaus/open-spectrometer
19:17 < roksprok_> meanwhile there are like 5 internet of things projects that all got 10's of thousands
19:17 < yashgaroth> that stupid fucking air pollution egg
19:17 < kanzure> it's a social/marketing thing.. plus if you have a great video, that always helps
19:17 < kanzure> some people just cultivate a community of people that give them money regularly
19:18 < kanzure> so sending them to kickstarter is how they get money out of their pockets
19:18 < kanzure> of course, sometimes you post in the right place at the right time and enough people actually need/want whatever you are selling
19:19 < roksprok_> right place = reddit/hackernews/submist to gizmodo?
19:19 < roksprok_> *submit
19:19 < kanzure> not always..
19:20 < kanzure> reddit isn't your personal funding machine
19:20 < roksprok_> well what websites are the 'right place'?
19:21 < kanzure> if you could predict that then i think you would be making more money than you do
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19:22 < roksprok_> just browsing thorugh kickstarter it seems like for every category there is 'new', 'hot', and 'staff picks' so it is kind of hard to find the success rate
19:23 < roksprok_> kanzure: good point/touche
19:24 < delinquentme> kanzure, did you apply to octopart?
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19:26 < kanzure> delinquentme: nope but i talked with them a looong time ago about skdb. they were pretty excited about it.
19:26 < kanzure> i think i implemented an octopart api at some point.
19:26 < kanzure> roksprok_: something like 40%
19:26 < delinquentme> you mean like the one they've got?
19:27 < kanzure> or 60%. one of the two.
19:27 < kanzure> delinquentme: i mean i wrote one in python to interface with their http api.. this was before they had a python library -_-
19:27 < kanzure> octopart has been around for quite a while.. i hear they have been growing lately
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19:28 < delinquentme> http://www.ventureloop.com/ventureloop/jobdetail.php?r=f_in&jobid=102310&utm_source=Indeed&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Indeed
19:28 < delinquentme> you saw the hidden mention at the bottom right? =]
19:29 < delinquentme> bonus for interest in bio or physics
19:30 < kanzure> roksprok_: sent.
19:31 < kanzure> roksprok_: i am only harsh on you because i love you :P
19:33 < roksprok_> kanzure: recieved, i am a masochist so even better
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19:51 < delinquentme> kanzure, no word from alex eh?
19:52 < kanzure> wwho?
19:52 < delinquentme> kiselev
19:52 < delinquentme> i mean what he is actually working on
19:53 < kanzure> oh i think fenn knows
19:53 < kanzure> he mentioned him or something
20:02 < delinquentme> fenn_,
20:02 < delinquentme> be here.
20:09 < delinquentme> i choose you fenn_ asaur! tail whip!
20:09 < JayDugger> The going rate on ebay for a RepRap Prusa Mendel 2.0 is $798 plus $95 S&H. (http://r.ebay.com/BQYtx6)
20:09 < kanzure> roksprok_: http://lab.methodmint.com/methods/1458/
20:14 < roksprok_> also http://onebiglab.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-paper-protocol-lab-knowledge.html is the launch notice of one that doesn't exist anymore
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20:16 < roksprok_> method mint seems to have less than 10 contributers
20:16 < roksprok_> yashgaroth: you around?
20:16 < n_bentha> who's excited for the may 7th launch?
20:16 < kanzure> n_bentha: take a look at methodmint.. http://lab.methodmint.com would you use this?
20:17 < roksprok_> are the SpaceX people affiliated with that astroid mining group?
20:18 < n_bentha> hmm i wonder
20:18 < kanzure> roksprok_: sort of.. probably through peter diamandis
20:18 < kanzure> n_bentha: i'm trying to figure out why nobody is using it
20:19 < JayDugger> Planetary Resources-to-Bigelow Aerospace...any idea on a connection?
20:19 < n_bentha> that is interesting kanzure
20:19 < n_bentha> they need a thuimbs up/down for the protocols though
20:20 < kanzure> they do have it
20:20 < n_bentha> or at least a it worked it didn't work or i don't think it's going to work rating system
20:20 < kanzure> hover over the "+2" http://lab.methodmint.com/methods/16/
20:20 < n_bentha> really?
20:20 < n_bentha> all is ee is +2
20:20 < n_bentha> see*
20:20 < kanzure> ah when i hover over it there are up/down arrows
20:20 < n_bentha> hmm
20:20 < kanzure> but anyway.. i agree that a more accurate rating system would be useful
20:20 < n_bentha> yes
20:21 < n_bentha> but i doubt many pi's would like their students using it
20:21 < kanzure> why's that?
20:21 < n_bentha> idk...cuz it's not from some journal
20:21 < JayDugger> Because it short-cuts the dues-paying aspect of student life.
20:22 < n_bentha> yes
20:22 < n_bentha> exactly
20:22 < n_bentha> and cuz the fat cats aren't getting rich off of it
20:22 < JayDugger> Cynic: n. One rarely surprised by his fellow men, but very occasionally delighted.
20:22 < kanzure> i think another possibility is that most people don't run a lot of protocols
20:22 < n_bentha> like if it was used within a university, it'd be fine...but since it's so wide open...
20:23 < kanzure> hmm a single university version would be very interesting
20:23 < n_bentha> that too, kanz
20:23 < JayDugger> That could also be the case. My lab experience is long, long past.
20:23 < kanzure> like the way facebook spread
20:23 < yashgaroth> !whatup roksprok_?
20:23 < kanzure> yashgaroth: would you use methodmint?
20:23 < n_bentha> yes, but a single univ version wouldn't be that great anyway.
20:23 < JayDugger> Ah...now that's a good point.
20:23 < kanzure> http://lab.methodmint.com/methods/
20:23 < kanzure> n_bentha: why's that?
20:23 < kanzure> i guess there's only <500 labs per university
20:23 < kanzure> so you would have maybe one or two users total
20:24 < roksprok_> yashgaroth: or any protocol sharing site?
20:24 < yashgaroth> sure, what's the difference between that and protocol-online or whatever kanz was scraping?
20:24 < n_bentha> too small of a community i guess?
20:24 < kanzure> protocol-online has no ability to do rating
20:24 < n_bentha> 1 university likely had 1 lab for 1 area of research
20:24 < roksprok_> there was some y-combinator company doing online lab journals
20:24 < JayDugger> You could focus on protocol sharing standards for a variety of focused sites: school, school system, field, etc.
20:24 < yashgaroth> oh well web 3.0 is all about rating
20:24 < n_bentha> so u need inter-instiutional commmunication for the best protocls n such
20:24 < kanzure> yashgaroth: pfft come on. "protocol does/doesn't work" is super important
20:25 < kanzure> yashgaroth: or "protocol requires X standard deviations of care while executing"
20:25 < yashgaroth> haha 90% of ratings will be "it didn't work" for any protocol
20:25 < kanzure> YES
20:25 < kanzure> because they suck
20:25 < kanzure> duh
20:25 < JayDugger> Good.
20:25 < yashgaroth> or just because biology sucks, but yeah
20:25 < n_bentha> give it forums, and a rep points system
20:25 < kanzure> n_bentha: i think that already exists on this current site
20:25 < n_bentha> u know...more points for protocols / protocol comments etc
20:25 < JayDugger> I spent months trying to get a RIA to work (redacted) hears ago.
20:25 < JayDugger> The lab gave it up a week after I left.
20:26 < kanzure> n_bentha: i'm really skeptical because nobody is using this current site
20:27 < kanzure> yashgaroth: one idea i had is that it would be nice to be able to call someone up about a protocol
20:27 < kanzure> like if your immune tissue culture protocol goes to shit, who the fuck do you call?
20:27 < yashgaroth> immunebusters
20:27 < yashgaroth> email might be better
20:28 < kanzure> still not sure who to email.. some random professors who might have written papers you read once?
20:28 < n_bentha> ok kanzure
20:28 < n_bentha> you could try the slashdot.org style of mod points
20:28 < yashgaroth> whoever it is you'd be calling, email tends to be more polite
20:28 < n_bentha> and that website seemed a little unorganized
20:28 < kanzure> n_bentha: do you use stackoverflow ever?
20:28 < n_bentha> no
20:28 < kanzure> ah.. methodmint is copying stackoverflow
20:28 < kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/
20:28 < kanzure> their rating system is widely considered to be successful
20:28 < kanzure> as a replacement to expertsexchange
20:28 < roksprok_> somewhat_related_question: is there any cost competiton in grants?  like would labs get a competitive advantage if they suddenly could do X for half the normal rate?
20:29 < n_bentha> expersexchange LOL
20:29 < roksprok_> either because their protocols were less buggy or they had cheaper consumables
20:29 < kanzure> n_bentha: ExpertsExchange not ExpertSexChange ;)
20:30  * yashgaroth has no experience with grants, thankfully
20:30 < kanzure> roksprok_: cheaper protocols/consumables might matter in the <$5000 grant range.. but meh
20:31 < n_bentha> ^_^
20:34 < roksprok_> that's a bummer
20:34 < roksprok_> i guess crap like name recognition is the biggest factor then? and 'how good your science is'?
20:37 < yashgaroth> in terms of receiving grants? who you know, and what/where you've published
20:38 < roksprok_> at like the NIH are applications peer reviewed or are there internal reviewers?
20:38 < roksprok_> nvm google
20:40 < roksprok_> so what about industry?  it seems like it would be useful for a giant like Pfiezer to have an internal protocol exchange
20:40 < kanzure> they have their own custom information management systems that they paid millions for
20:41 < yashgaroth> for a large company, there's a database of Standard Operating Procedures
20:41 < yashgaroth> which are probably proprietary, no matter how banal they are
20:43 < roksprok_> maybe all the biotech startups then? like keep an updated list of best protocols and you get access to the previous ones by donating yours?
20:43 < roksprok_> or are they mostly doing stuff they've been doing for decades as professors
20:43 < yashgaroth> they don't usually make their own protocols, if you need one you ask around
20:44 < yashgaroth> everything in biotech is based on previous work, which usually has a protocol attached
20:44 < kanzure> and sometimes a grad student attached to the protocol too!
20:45 < yashgaroth> they don't feel pain so it's cool
20:45 < kanzure> like literally i've seen "oh yeah, this is our emulsions guy"
20:45 < kanzure> and it's some underfed grad student that's been around for eight years
20:46 < n_bentha> lol
20:46 < n_bentha> so true
20:46 < yashgaroth> I ended up doing a lot of tweak to my protocols, mostly stuff like "oh yeah you don't need 3 washes x 5 minutes because I'm lazy and it works"
20:47 < roksprok_> did you write it down? and pass it on?
20:47 < yashgaroth> nah they laid me off so fuck them
20:47 < kanzure> honestly even if he did write it down the prof or w/e probably lost it
20:47 < yashgaroth> my boss got laid off too, so it's lost in the sands of time
20:48 < n_bentha> for shame
20:48 < yashgaroth> no one strictly follows protocol unless they're new or they're working in a GMP facility
20:48 < yashgaroth> pfft like anyone times their western blot washes
20:48 < kanzure> yashgaroth: well yes, protocols are used to communicate with those who don't know :P
20:48 < n_bentha> not true, yashgaroth
20:49 < n_bentha> ppl strictly follow the protocol, but not necessarily the one they found in a paper
20:49 < roksprok_> do these protocol-based-inefficenes have readily visible costs that you could point to and say 'your company/lab/department would have saved $X if you had our system in place'?
20:49 < n_bentha> like i made my own 'tweaked' protocols, and i'd be consistent about them
20:49 < yashgaroth> that's what I mean, I had my own derived protocols, but not the exact one I was handed
20:50 < roksprok_> n_bentha - did you have these tweaks on a computer or written down somewhere? or just remembered it?
20:50 < roksprok_> because if someone just had to upload it they may actually participate, rather than having to write it out
20:51 < yashgaroth> it'd be nice to have a collected Q&A with each protocol, so if your bands turn out all blurry you can see what other people did/recommend about it
20:52 < n_bentha> roksprok_: i wrote them down ion my lab journal
20:53 < n_bentha> yeah...having an online account w/ all my protocols would be cool...
20:53 < kanzure> i think sharing protocols should be like sharing playlists or mixtapes :P
20:53 < yashgaroth> you guys don't have electronic notebooks?
20:54 < kanzure> academic labs have tons of paper notebooks flying around
20:54 < yashgaroth> poor bastards
20:54 < kanzure> openwetware.org was able to get lots of igem teams to host their notebooks on wikis
20:55 < n_bentha> gtg
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20:57 < kanzure> i think it might be possible to algorithmically fix protocols with the right sort of data/ratings about what works/doesn't work
20:58 < kanzure> yashgaroth: would you consider some protocols harder than others?
20:59 < yashgaroth> sure, making buffer is a lot easier than anything in a TC hood
20:59 < yashgaroth> but that's more about skill/experience than, like, harder to comprehend
21:00 < delinquentme> pakistani death metal ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8fXFecuptY
21:00 < delinquentme> reminiscent of lamb of god
21:00 < yashgaroth> even the most cutting-edge protocols in wetwork are still 'mix A into B, stir, incubate 8 hours'
21:00 < roksprok_> in industry do people normally get plugged into a niche where they are doing the same/similar things and kind of stop paying much attention to protocols?
21:01 < kanzure> yeah, it's not like you're doing a different protocol every day
21:01 < yashgaroth> yes, especially with large comapnies
21:01 < kanzure> even in a lab your project will probably require you to pick a pcr method and stick to it until it works
21:02 < yashgaroth> or until it doesn't work :V
21:02 < kanzure> yeah but you have to prove it either way :p
21:03 < delinquentme> oo so i should be paying attention here
21:04 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, what is cutting edge about 'mix A into B, stir, incubate 8 hours'
21:04 < yashgaroth> the composition of A and B, usually
21:04 < kanzure> strawman.. i don't think yashgaroth claimed it was cutting edge
21:04 < delinquentme> thats a liquid handling problem is it not?
21:05 < yashgaroth> sure, but pulling tubes out of a centrifuge and then manipulating them is beyond most liquid handlers, at least those more expensive than lab techs
21:05 < delinquentme> mix up the compositions of A and B in diff proportions
21:05 < delinquentme> yeah thats a robot arm
21:06 < yashgaroth> lab automation is a separate issue than compiling protocols
21:07 < kanzure> lab protocols is an issue of institutional knowledge
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21:08 < kanzure> "Thinking about starting a Fantasy Infringement League. Draft a suit/side and points = $ value the court awards. Who's in? Who's the #1 pick?"
21:11 < yashgaroth> well the methodmint protocol for un-cryopreserving cells is terrible
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21:12 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, but good codified protocols is a step in the direction of automation
21:13 < yashgaroth> sure, but programming in which reagents to use will take less time than programming how the arm moves
21:13 < yashgaroth> wow this 10x tris buffer protocol is even shittier
21:15 < yashgaroth> side note, a lot of labs will use default protocols from the reagent supplier, which is usually freely available
21:18 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, why is it an arm?
21:18 < delinquentme> :D
21:18 < delinquentme> its cool im just going to lead you to the conclusion of my liquid handler
21:19 < yashgaroth> 'appendage' sounds too much like a penis reference
21:19 < delinquentme> haha but assuming inverse kinematics to layout the physical movements is
21:19 < delinquentme> overly complex
21:19 < delinquentme> is it not simply up down .. move plate .. up down move plate
21:20 < delinquentme> thats a silly scientist problem
21:20 < delinquentme> they're used to robot arms doing it ... dont model it after a scientist doing the movement
21:20 < delinquentme> make it an assembly line
21:21 < yashgaroth> we barely have interchangeable parts, much less assembly lines
21:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, " An open letter to Ycombinator: Why you'd be retarded not to fund us "
21:21 < delinquentme> ja?
21:22 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, true!
21:22 < roksprok_> delinquentme: does ycombinator do hardware?
21:23 < delinquentme> why does everyone think that thats a valid distinction?
21:23 < delinquentme> make it about money
21:23 < delinquentme> not hardware
21:23 < delinquentme> they get that
21:23 < delinquentme> =]
21:24 < roksprok_> actually there is a job posting for an embedded electronics person...something to do with cars
21:24 < roksprok_> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3911781
21:24 < delinquentme> ?
21:25 < roksprok_> so i guess they will do it
21:25 < kanzure> delinquentme: why would YC fund you? are you making money? do you have traction? do you have business?
21:25 < delinquentme> Im just saying its a good idea
21:25 < kanzure> it's a good idea for you, but it's a huge risk to YC until you answer those questions
21:26 < delinquentme> also those arent prereqs for ycomb
21:26 < kanzure> they will do whatever they want, but they probably don't want a loser
21:26 < kanzure> you're not a loser but a business with no money, no traction, no growth plan, no customers, no plans for customers, etc., is not a good business to fund
21:28 < kanzure> they claim to accept idealess teams but obviously they do scrutinize teams very harshly
21:28 < delinquentme> well
21:29 < delinquentme> they're wise ish to think in heuristics
21:29 < delinquentme> but when there is no precedent
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21:39 < delinquentme> fenn_, does you have experience in accelerating steppers through resonance points?
21:41 < kanzure> oh right it's his birthday
21:42 < delinquentme> HAPPY BDAY FENN~
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21:43 < delinquentme> kanzure,  http://pastie.org/3852130
21:44 < delinquentme> UI drag / drop elements to generate the above code
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21:44 < delinquentme> which would represent an actual codified protocol
21:46 < kanzure> i don't think it should be source code
21:46 < kanzure> because what if you want to use n+1 agents
21:48 < kanzure> i don't think ui matters much.. most researchers don't care about graphics
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21:58 < kanzure> well, at least your code isn't as bad as the microsoft stuff
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22:01 < delinquentme> kanzure, I think the issue is that UI is easy to sell
22:01 < delinquentme> and its a solid gateway to get the to work with the code
22:01 < delinquentme> training wheels
22:01 < delinquentme> I think you and I look at code differently than scientists
22:02 < delinquentme> they see code and groan
22:03 < kanzure> what do you mean "easy sell".. who are you selling to
22:03 < delinquentme> theres prob about 6 different people who will b e signing off on a purchase like this
22:04 < delinquentme> and a UI is a simple way to differentiate from windows based box UI cruft
22:04 < kanzure> ok are you talking about a liquid handler?
22:05 < kanzure> and if so did you get your list of 15-20 people to say they'll buy one?
22:05 < delinquentme> yeah and yeah!
22:06 < delinquentme> actually I came up with a sales pitch
22:06 < delinquentme> and i've asked a few decent companies :D
22:06 < kanzure> you got people to say yes?
22:06 < kanzure> who?
22:06 < delinquentme> nah ;D
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22:10 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: faa73c5 investigating scripts from a known address
22:10 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 6973ec8 figuring out where a script appears based on a known address
22:10 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: f51cde7 show the map event header in the readme
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 6ec59c8 get_dependencies does not return a list of labels nor strings
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: b871e6c map_name -> map_id
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: d1ddb59 investigating bytes in the ROM
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 220a9d8 formatting?
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: b1d25e0 nope.. more formatting
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: 404dca1 slightly improved example
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: ea379f3 fix language specifier
22:11 < gnusha_> pokecrystal.git: f2b0779 fix typo in readme
22:11 < kanzure> oh jeeze how do i stop this
22:11 < kanzure> i've removed the hook
22:12 < kanzure> so that shouldn't happen in the future
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22:46 < delinquentme> y comb backs startups of 1 person!
22:46 < delinquentme> PG said 4 is too many
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