--- Log opened Sun May 06 00:00:02 2012
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06:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, u aroundy yet?
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08:07 < delinquentme> TTYL!
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09:48 < Utopiah> random_walker> I'm a bit surprised to find almost no academic literature on friend-to-friend networks, especially for anti-surveillance. Any pointers?
09:48 < Utopiah> Id be curious too
09:55 < kanzure> visualization of global water volume http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/2010/gallery/global-water-volume.html
09:55 < kanzure> Utopiah: how is p2p antisurveillance ?
09:59 < Utopiah> I guess he means systems like Freenet trying to provide encryption and anonymity
10:00 < Utopiah> not bittorrent
10:00 < kanzure> hahah wow http://www.affiliatetemple.com/google-penguin-creates-mass-unemployment-in-india/
10:00 < kanzure> "One Indian ‘SEO Expert’, Steve Patel,  used to work 15 hour per day ‘spinning’ content and uploading it to a large network of sites for US/UK clients. His youngest son, Ashwad (6yrs), had also been taught how to link build.  ”Ashwad was getting very good on programmes like Xrummer, but now his future is in jeopardy”"
10:00 < kanzure> a 6 ear old using xrumer?
10:00 < kanzure> *6 year
10:00 < kanzure> that's hilarious..
10:10 < kanzure> http://repl.it/ seems to be running python in js
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10:55 < kanzure> hi klafka
10:55 < klafka> howdy kanzure
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12:18 < klafka> why does everyone think graph databases are the answer to everything
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12:18 < klafka> anytime you have a matrix you implicitly have a graph thajt doesn't mean you want to traverse it
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13:11 < kanzure> beepity boop
13:11 < kanzure> klafka: because graphs are all directed!
13:13 < klafka> lol
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15:28 < delinquentme> kanzure, after looking at those bibtex that are on scidirect
15:29 < delinquentme> was I just missing the fact that they're not really showing the references
15:29 < delinquentme> and when I say "references" I mean a paper has many references to past topics
15:29 < delinquentme> ( incase im using the wrong term )
15:30 < kanzure> you mean the paper's bibliography?
15:30 < kanzure> bibtex is not recursive
15:30 < kanzure> so if you were writing a paper in latex.. you would have a bibtex file with your bibliography
15:30 < kanzure> and your latex compiler would include that and render your last few pages of bibliography
15:31 < kanzure> or you can use bibtex to represent the contents of a volume of a journal
15:31 < delinquentme> so the bibtext *IS* the bibliography
15:32 < kanzure> bibtex is just a list of papers and some metadata
15:34 < delinquentme> so yes bibtext is the bibliography
15:35 < delinquentme> it references the papers which this one cited
15:35 < kanzure> no
15:35 < kanzure> the bibtex that sciencedirect provides is a bibliography of the papers in that volume of whatever journal
15:36 < delinquentme>  you would have a bibtex file with your bibliography
15:36 < delinquentme> the way you're conveying information is confusing
15:36 < kanzure> "you would have a bibtex file with your bibliography" read the first part of the original message ("so if you were writing a paper in latex...")
15:37 < delinquentme> is there a format on sci direct which is effectively " this paper builds upon /uses research from these papers"
15:37 < kanzure> not that i can see
15:37 < kanzure> you would probably have to use OCR or humans to read the paper
15:38 < delinquentme> thats something that they've got locked down right?
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15:39 < kanzure> probably not.. OCR of bibliographies is a hard problem
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15:45 < ThomasEgi> what'd be so hard about it. isnt a bibliography just some text?
15:46 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-03-24-autoscholar-OCR-notgood.png
15:47 < ThomasEgi> i was never really happy with tesseract's results
15:50 < ThomasEgi> i cant imagine it would be so hard to do some hugh transform to detect rotation of a text, segmentize lines, and letters. and run correlation tests in frequency domain.
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15:51 < ThomasEgi> and countercheck the image of the result string with the original image part.
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15:52 < ThomasEgi> even without vocabulary and gramattic rules. raw character detection for english text shouldnt be that difficult to pull off
15:53 < ThomasEgi> i mean. we can identify individual humans based on a 40x40 pixel image, out of millions. how hard can it be to decide between a hand full of letters
15:54 < delinquentme> ThomasEgi, humans have amazing pattern recognition skills
15:54 < delinquentme> I was thinking about this just today
15:54 < ThomasEgi> still.
15:54 < ThomasEgi> there are like a very limited set of patters. that are mostly undistorted
15:54 < delinquentme> for example photoshopped images or what about special effects from 5 years back
15:55 < delinquentme> well yes its limited
15:55 < delinquentme> but that limit is vast
15:55 < ThomasEgi> and todays image processing algorithms can find objects that are highly distorted, or even motionblured. with high accuracy, speed, and relyablity
15:56 < ThomasEgi> and text is basilally twice the alphabet, a few numbers and punctations.
15:56 < ThomasEgi> i'll put this on my to-do
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15:57 < ThomasEgi> writing a propper ocr engine. based on signal processing basics.
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16:21 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, can you provide me with an example image to test around with?
16:32 < klafka> you're writing an OCR engine?
16:33 < klafka> what algorithm are you going to use / are you going to use the postal training set?
16:41 < ThomasEgi> well for now it is almost 2am and i have to get up at 6 something.
16:41 < ThomasEgi> so i am not starting today
16:41 < ThomasEgi> but i want to give it a try.
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16:42 < ThomasEgi> guess my main workhorse will be fft and correlation
16:43 < ThomasEgi> as for inputs. i might go as far as taking a font, and automatically construct a set from the font picked.
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16:49 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: pick your poison... http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/
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16:51 < ThomasEgi> picked. thx. time for some sleep now
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16:56 < klafka> hmm so if you wanted to call hadoop from python
16:56 < klafka> how would you do that
16:58 < klafka> like i wanted python to send message parameters / objects to hadoop and have hadoop send back it's results
16:58 < klafka> the object could be like JSON or something
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23:31 < kanzure> where did everyone go
23:33 < poptire> yo kanzure
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