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08:08 <@kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/to32n/ask_aubrey_de_grey_chief_science_officer_sens/
08:08 <@kanzure> with apologies for linking to reddit. i guess this shouldn't matter, since aubrey usually answers all of his incoming email.
08:09 <@kanzure> oh god, delinquentme is on there. evidence that he uses reddit! no wonder.
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10:25 < Mariu> interesting
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10:29 < Mariu> thanks, kanzure
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10:38 < Mariu> wow, epic reply from delinquentme
10:38 < Mariu> 'overpopulation is the go-to argument for anyone new to this.
10:38 < Mariu> As a society advanced they no longer need children to act as farmers and caretakers. In 3rd world countries kids are there to support and do chores etc etc.
10:38 < Mariu> TLDR: As countries trend towards higher standards of living the need for children drop
10:38 < Mariu> awesome !
10:38 < delinquentme> Mariu, =] glad to see you're on there too
10:39 < Mariu> ^^
10:39 < delinquentme> yeah I made a big list for all the typical derp questions:
10:39 < delinquentme> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/to32n/ask_aubrey_de_grey_chief_science_officer_sens/c4ob29u
10:39 < Mariu> sweet
10:39 < delinquentme> Oh and I'm also a fan of the " if you lived to be 1000 when would you have children "
10:39 < delinquentme> I'm waiting for someone to say 23
10:39 < Mariu> xD
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11:44 < nmz787> delinquentme: if i lived to be 1000, i think a better question would be, how many children would I have
11:45 < delinquentme> haha umm well wrapping it up is one of the greatest human pleasures!
11:45 < delinquentme> but in present day kids are fucking expensive
11:46 <@kanzure> kids cost the same as an expensive hobby
11:46 < delinquentme> they're up there
11:47 < delinquentme> food + school + sanity
11:47 < delinquentme> factor in time value of money
11:47 < delinquentme> yeah they're like the cost of a G6
11:47 < Mokbortolan_> and t-ball
11:48 < Mokbortolan_> and ballet lessons
11:48 < Mokbortolan_> and summer camps
11:48 < Mokbortolan_> and clothes that they wear 3 times then grow out of
11:48 < Mokbortolan_> and food they don't eat
11:48 < Mokbortolan_> and toys, oh, and toys for OTHER kids at their birthday parties
11:48 < Mokbortolan_> not to mention the birthday parties themselves
11:49 < Mokbortolan_> my kids' school district doesn't provide full-day kindergarten, only half day, you have to pay $335/mo to make up the difference and get full day
11:50  * Mokbortolan_ complains bitterly about how awesome his life is.
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11:50 < delinquentme> :P
11:51 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_, what about that porsche for their sweet 16 like they saw on MTV?
11:52 < Mokbortolan_> we don't have MTV
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11:52 < Mokbortolan_> though, that won't protect us
11:52 < delinquentme> lolol
11:52 < delinquentme> smart dude
11:52 < Mokbortolan_> by the time she's old enough the media giants will have fully exploited the internet's children
11:52 < delinquentme> what about computers and diablo 3?
11:53 <@kanzure> delinquentme: for the first ten years i was banned from tv, computers, electricity, etc.
11:53 < Mokbortolan_> she doesn't have a gaming machine, just a little netbook
11:53 < delinquentme> yash is not around
11:53 < delinquentme> kanzure, me too !
11:53 <@kanzure> didn't seem to go right in your case
11:53 < delinquentme> lol yeah haha
11:53 < delinquentme> just made me spiteful
11:54 < delinquentme> Mokbortolan_, you're a brave man I dont think id do kids till im like 60
11:54 < delinquentme> patience and knowing your own demons
11:54 < delinquentme> that stuff about " And the sins of the father are passed to the children "
11:54 < delinquentme> that shit worries the hell out of me
11:54 <@kanzure> you believe in sins?
11:54 <@kanzure> bleh please don't perpetuate that in here
11:56 < delinquentme> lol nah sins is like the term for short comings
11:57 < delinquentme> for example I can pick out a few of my fathers short comings and say "OK XYZ happened because he had ABC shortcomings "
11:57 < delinquentme> where XYZ is how I act or things I do
11:57 <@kanzure> this sounds overly simplistic and not useful
11:59 < jrayhawk> is this a no-psychology-zone too
11:59 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: yet to be decided!
11:59 < delinquentme> yeah its a psychology tinted
11:59 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: but i somehow doubt that shortcomings is a good parenting model
11:59 < delinquentme> .. statement
12:00 < delinquentme> a more concrete example
12:00 <@kanzure> no, let's not
12:00 < delinquentme> when you've got parents who are really low tax bracket .. money always being an issue
12:00 < delinquentme> that passes particular beliefs onto the children
12:01 < delinquentme> daddy doesnt have his money woes solved so that demon is passed to the kids
12:01 <@kanzure> "sin inheritance" isn't a valid concept. we know this from biology. in addition, orphans show this.
12:01 < delinquentme> the term sin is just as the saying goes
12:01 < delinquentme> the underlying concept remains
12:01 < delinquentme> argument of semantics
12:01 < delinquentme> and orphans yes .. im not saying that this is hereditary
12:02 < delinquentme> im saying that its part of the upbringing
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12:18 < nmz787> you guys talking about how expensinve kids are are all so white
12:19 < nmz787> err. american
12:19 <@kanzure> nmz787: it's ok, white is probably correct :P
12:22 < nmz787> A) kids are biologically more efficient than adults in physical mobility terms B) humans learn fastest when young C) if you are in business for yourself, its easy for them to contribute D) they grow up and can become household producers whether in family business or elsewhere E) most people live on USD $2/day, which with a DIY trick called cooking allows sufficient nutrient for healthy biological development and support
12:24 <@kanzure> what are you arguing for?
12:24 < nmz787> kids being cheap and good for the environment
12:24 < nmz787> hah
12:24 < nmz787> well, for myself i feel thats the case, as I think more people should think like me
12:25 <@kanzure> isn't manure also good for the environment?
12:25 < nmz787> and would definitely be down for a mixed-clone army
12:25 < nmz787> yeah, humanure is a thing
12:25 <@kanzure> i mean, there's no way children are more efficient at providing nutrients to the environment than via manure :P
12:26 < nmz787> well i say good for the environment because my environmental concern is much greater than the majority of population (i.e. the litterbugs whose trash lines the sidewalk outside my house right now)
12:27 < nmz787> and my values, in some form, will be passed down through my teaching of their neural networks
12:27 <@kanzure> ** Finished account 'gmail' in 108:57:20
12:27 <@kanzure> finally! my backup.
12:27 < nmz787> sorry, training their neural network
12:33 < Mariu> Google drive is cool
12:33 < Mariu> *Drive
12:36 < Mariu> what do you guys think of Brooke Greenberg ?
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12:53 < nmz787> pretty interesting
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14:07 <@kanzure> random telomerase-related email i've received:
14:07 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/2012-05-15.txt
14:08 <@kanzure> one of those authors looks possibly crazy, the other looks possibly insightful
14:09 <@kanzure> "The worst thing about cellular senescence is the Senescence Associated Secretory Phenotype (SASP_This is the real "enemy" in aging. One senescent cell secreting these multiple toxic cytokines ( > 100 of them) causes the surrounding non-senscent cells to become senescent or they can cause dysplastic cells to undergo malignant transformation into immortal cells."
14:11 <@kanzure> "National Plan to Address Alzheimer's Disease" http://aspe.hhs.gov/daltcp/napa/NatlPlan.shtml
14:11 <@kanzure> http://aspe.hhs.gov/daltcp/napa/NatlPlan.pdf
14:16 <@kanzure> "However Stoyanov developed new protocol and 12.12.2011 there was a kitten experiment solidifying at -20C in his lab, but the kitten didn't woke up. "
14:16 <@kanzure> hahah this guy's english is awesome
14:16 <@kanzure> ^from https://sites.google.com/site/journal1stoyanov/home (i think he wrote the 2012-05-15.txt email)
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14:59 < Mariu> later everyone
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15:04 <@kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-BlacX-eSATA-Docking-Station/dp/B001A4HAFS
15:04 <@kanzure> better than my dangling usb/sata thing
15:05 < nmz787> long ass email
15:05 <@kanzure> haha
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15:13 < nmz787> kanzure: where can I store all the linked items here http://cba.mit.edu/events/07.05.fluid/
15:15 <@kanzure> one sec
15:16 <@kanzure> nmz787: way ahead of you.. http://diyhpl.us/~byan/papers2/microfluidics/cba-mit-0705fluids/
15:16 <@kanzure> aww typoed my own name
15:16 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/cba-mit-0705fluids/
15:17 <@kanzure> also it's cool to see hod lipson on that list for once. church, endy, carr, prakash, whitesides, gershenfeld are all pretty standard
15:18 <@kanzure> actually, shit. that's all my heroes right there. church, whitesides, lipson, gershenfeld, prakash, maybe endy.. i should be there
15:20 < nmz787> lol
15:24 < nmz787> btw my roommate has that SATA dock, seems like a decent item to have
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15:25 <@kanzure> nmz787: i have something like that, except not a dock. just kinda plugs in.
15:36 < nmz787> how do i download a directory over http with windows?
15:41 <@kanzure> nmz787: install cygwin, then install wget or curl. or, install a vm then run linux. or, you can probably find a lousy ui to wget/curl for windows
15:43 < nmz787> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuwin32/files/wget/
15:43 < nmz787> i've done this before!
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16:41 < jrayhawk> wget -m http://hostname/resource/path/
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20:31 < delinquentme> hey guys ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEkCbqN4uo << this is scaring the shit out of me
20:31 < delinquentme> IDK if its any motivation for your guys
20:34 <@kanzure> what is it
20:37 < docl> something about obesity
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20:44 < roksprok> www.papertigers.me.uk/papertigers/Contact%20and%20Lead%20Emails.xls
20:44 < roksprok> ^^^14k biotech people's email addresses
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20:45 < roksprok> of course it downloads an xls file
20:45 < roksprok> delinquentme: maybe you could send them an email about your robot?
20:45 < roksprok> i guess that would be spamming though
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20:53 < delinquentme> roksprok, who am I sending things to?
20:54 < roksprok> I thought you had a liquid handling robot you were trying to gauge the market for?
20:54 < delinquentme> roksprok, Ohh you're saying hit up that list
20:55 < roksprok> well if you think it would help
20:55 < roksprok> i just stumbled upon it and figured i'd drop it here for safe-keeping lol
21:00 <@kanzure> judge alsup dropped da bomb.
21:00 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3979899
21:00 <@kanzure> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120515120106322#Update_5
21:00 <@kanzure> Judge: You can't win with RangeCheck.
21:00 <@kanzure> Oracle: No, it's really really important.
21:00 <@kanzure> Judge: Witness testified a high-school student could code it.
21:00 <@kanzure> Oracle: No, No, Google made squillions by copying it.
21:00 <@kanzure> Judge: It really is very simple. Don't go there, please.
21:00 <@kanzure> Oracle: We will show RangeCheck was the sole basis of Android's success and still intend to claim squillions.
21:00 <@kanzure> Judge: I'm a programmer. I could, and have, written RangeCheck in half a dozen languages, in as many ways, before I've even had my first coffee of the morning.
21:00 <@kanzure> Oracle: gulp
21:01 <@kanzure> so basically.. every time he got bored listening to an expert witness he wrote another version of rangeCheck
21:02 <@kanzure> you have to think he's spent most of the trial waiting to drop that one. i think this is what you call in the legal profession, a bitch slap.
21:03 < delinquentme> lol
21:03 < delinquentme> that is awesome
21:45 <@kanzure> ""The Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting that a federal judge has ruled in favor of Georgia State University on 69 of 74 copyright claims filed by Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press, and SAGE Publications. In a 350-page ruling, Senior U.S. District Judge Orinda Evans found that 'fair use protected a Georgia State University professor's decision to allow students to access an excerpt online through the university's Electronic
21:45 <@kanzure> "While the 69 of the 74 claims were rejected, the judge also found that five violations did occur 'when the publisher lost money because a professor had provided free electronic access to selected chapters in textbooks.' SAGE Publications prevailed on four of these five claims, while Oxford University Press won the fifth claim. Cambridge University Press lost all its claims.""
21:45 <@kanzure> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nasims/GSU-opinion.pdf
21:45 <@kanzure> http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/05/14/court-rejects-many-publishers-arguments-e-reserves
21:47 <@kanzure> analysis: http://blogs.library.duke.edu/scholcomm/2012/05/12/the-gsu-decision-not-an-easy-road-for-anyone/
21:47 <@kanzure> "Another interesting aspect, which I got from this also-interesting analysis [laboratorium.net] of the decision, is that many of the claims never even got to a legal analysis stage, because the publishers couldn't produce sufficient evidence of having a registered copyright:
21:47 <@kanzure> "either they couldn't find a signed copyright transfer from the author showing that the publisher actually had copyright properly assigned to them, or they couldn't produce evidence that they had registered the copyright (a prerequisite under U.S. law for suing)."
21:51 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you think there would be any use in a distribution/marketing strategy of 1) Contacting the publishing research lab and offering confirmation services then 2) Request that if anyone contacts them needing additional information about reproducing a particular protocol that they could contact me
21:51 < delinquentme> or at least parts of a protocol which could be run with a liquid handler
21:51 <@kanzure> wtf? "American Geophysical Union v. Texaco"
21:52 <@kanzure> wtf? "Princeton University Press v. Michigan Document Services"
21:52 <@kanzure> well i guess a geophysics union might have something against an oil company, maybe
21:52 <@kanzure> delinquentme: no, you are not an expert on reproducing protocols
21:53 < delinquentme> certainly not but is that the only stumbling block?
21:54 < delinquentme> I mean assuming you could pass this idea and get it functional ... thats an automatic  distribution channel
21:54 <@kanzure> another problem is that nobody would want to talk with you, they want to talk with the person that actually did it
21:54 < delinquentme> like after a researcher is done w a study they get to pass it off to another organization who handles all the follow up work
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22:06 < delinquentme> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18074644  bio engineered batteries !! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18074644
22:06 < delinquentme> derp pasted twice
22:20 < delinquentme> alright all nighty night!
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23:24 < Juul> what's the simples possible DIY PCR machine anyone has built?
23:32 < Juul> light bulb pcr i guess
23:33 < Juul> hrm, whatever happened to LavaAmp
23:33 < Juul> the site seems to be down and archive.org's snapshot is old
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