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i've been reading about phytic acid and food soaking. easy enough to do, you soak the nuts overnight in water with a bit of cultured whey or yogurt added; the warm wet environment activates phytases in the nuts so phytic acid won't bind to magnesium etc 03:58 < fenn> the acid environment prevents bad bacteria from growing 03:58 < fenn> i think this is why most people are mineral deficient, their food isn't soaked prior to eating 04:01 < fenn> currently i believe mg deficiency leads to allergies, depression, back pain 04:01 < ThomasEgi> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18074644 04:02 < fenn> "viral electronics goes viral!~" 04:03 < ThomasEgi> very interesting approach to use viruses as piezoactive generators. 04:08 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:50 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [] 05:19 < fenn> holy crap why are HPLC systems so expensive 05:32 < ParahSailin> because they can 05:34 < fenn> it's just a tube with some crap in it 06:03 < ParahSailin> they can because their customers are mostly government 06:03 < ParahSailin> who can get a grant for however much because they dont bear the cost 06:04 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:05 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-19-3.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:08 < fenn> does anyone know of diy or at least less than $10k HPLC systems? 06:08 < fenn> i mean this is just absurd 06:09 <@kanzure> peanut butter 06:09 < fenn> any writeup on that? 06:09 <@kanzure> i think some diybio person pooped in a tube and used that, but i don't have a link 06:09 < fenn> great. -_- 06:10 < fenn> any sage advice before i return to my coffin for the day? 06:11 <@kanzure> hrm for some reason http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diytranshuman_projects.v4.html is a search result when i go looking for el-cheapo hplc 06:13 <@kanzure> nmz787 or yashgaroth will have a better link for the peanut butter thing 06:14 < fenn> hm. well in the meanwhile i'll watch the MIT videos i guess 06:15 < fenn> we did this in organic chem lab but i forgot all of it 06:15 < fenn> probably because i was (unintentionally) high on fumes 06:18 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:23 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by ChanServ 06:47 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-96-196.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:16 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:20 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:51 < delinquentme_> fenn, tyrant should have shit on this 07:51 < delinquentme_> HLPC is afterall what he was given 100k to develop 07:53 < kanzure> i thought he was given money to skip college 08:01 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-56-131.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:18 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Client Quit] 08:19 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 < delinquentme_> the pitch was he was going to build a hLPC machine 08:28 < delinquentme_> this was in print material a number of places 08:29 < delinquentme_> https://twitter.com/#!/delinquentme/status/203144675467599873 08:30 < delinquentme_> fenn, kanzure whats up with you guys and the project? 08:30 < delinquentme_> theres so much fucking money and hell to be made 08:32 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@otis.broadinstitute.org] has quit [] 08:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-56-131.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 08:34 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:35 < delinquentme_> was reading a research paper the other day on progress being made in a minimal ecoli genome :D 08:36 < delinquentme_> we're talking the biological equivalent of a stripped down operating system 08:36 < delinquentme_> rovely 08:37 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@129.21.145.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:43 < delinquentme_> nmz787, when we going driving man? 08:44 < delinquentme_> i can go tomorrow but all I've got is a bike atm 08:50 < kanzure> follow-up on the c60 claims: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/2012-05-17-c60-claims.txt 08:53 < nmz787> driving? 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($43 for a PDF for 24 hours?! What?!) 11:31 < jrayhawk> fenn: I don't tend to eat nuts; they have a lousy lipid profile, are expensive, and are a pain in the ass to prepare. 11:32 < jrayhawk> If I were to prepare them, I would probably go for 1) buy organic since phosphate fertilizers amp up the phytic acid content 2) soak 3) dehydrate 4) roast 11:33 < jrayhawk> sprouting is also a good way to decrease phytic acid, but that moves it from $8/lb to, like, what, $16? horrifying numbers 11:35 < jrayhawk> anyway, mineral deficiencies are caused in large part caused by phytic acid, but also by industrial agriculture depleting soils and making minerals biounavailable 11:36 < jrayhawk> and, of course, active phytates are also present in grains in legumes, so nuts don't deserve all the blame, there. 11:38 < jrayhawk> All this stuff, along with fermentation, decreases active phytates in grains and legumes, too. 11:39 < jrayhawk> handy propaganda from the ancestral health world: http://chriskresser.com/another-reason-you-shouldnt-go-nuts-on-nuts http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/living-with-phytic-acid 11:41 < jrayhawk> and, of course, people taking magnesium supplements are taking really shitty magnesium supplements 11:41 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 < jrayhawk> multivitamins are infuriating. half the nutrients on offer in those are either biounavailable or some terrible oxidized form that make everything worse 11:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-177-161.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ENKI-][, ThomasEgi 11:51 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ThomasEgi, ENKI-][ 11:58 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00 -!- azonenberg 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[SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:02 < kanzure> yashgaroth: fenn was wondering about some diy hplc options 13:02 < yashgaroth> ya I've just been catching up on the logs 13:02 < kanzure> i told him that some diybioer pooped in a tube for his bead media 13:02 < kanzure> ok cool 13:03 < yashgaroth> columns usually aren't the expensive part, they're 'only' 1-2 grand 13:03 < yashgaroth> the machinery is all about very fine pressure control, since if the pressure level gets disrupted you have to rebalance 13:04 < yashgaroth> it depends what sort of hplc you're trying to do though 13:04 < yashgaroth> i.e. whether you're measuring the purity of cocaine or analyzing protein aggregation 13:08 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:08 < kanzure> i haven't seen anyone doing their own protein chromatography gittup 13:14 < Utopiah> nice "Welcome to Life: the singularity, ruined by lawyers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E 13:19 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:20 < nmz787> protein chromatography can be easy, not needed HPLC for that 13:21 < nmz787> I just did some HPLC in lab though, and it would take a considerable amount of time+money to get a DIY/from-scratch setup up and going 13:21 < nmz787> seems like the pro setups are complicated enough as is 13:21 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.186.240] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 < nmz787> though the software could use some minor usability improvements 13:21 < nmz787> although recent HPLC/lab tool software may be much nicer than what i used 13:22 < yashgaroth> no it's still shitty 13:22 < nmz787> affinity chromatoraphy, ion exchange, TLC... are all pretty straightforward though 13:23 < nmz787> you probably don't need fine pressure control if you want crappy/good-enough results, but I wouldn't trust it for something I was going to ingest/inject 13:23 < ThomasEgi> Utopiah, bullseye :) thx for sharing 13:23 < nmz787> i think pulsing would just causing band broadening 13:24 < yashgaroth> you mean with the pump? yeah, but if your resin's gonna be all DIY and crappy then you need all the resolution you can get 13:27 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:27 < nmz787> i really wanna try peanuts as a packing 13:28 < nmz787> they seem pretty nonpolar on their surface 13:28 < yashgaroth> what's wrong with diatomaceous earth 13:28 < nmz787> no idea 13:39 < jrayhawk> nmz787: re: oxidized nutrients: increase in random reactivity. omega 3 and folate (or, rather, in this case folic acid) are examples of supplements that actually worsen health outcomes as a result of how ineptly prepared they are. 13:47 -!- Cat4D [182be7c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.231.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.186.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47 -!- chris_99 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like 5 months? 15:11 < delinquentme> yeah between 3 and 7 % 15:11 < kanzure> not interested 15:12 < delinquentme> they also happen to be associated w a bigger VC group called innovation works 15:12 < delinquentme> kanzure, thats stupid 15:12 < kanzure> $20,000 isn't a lot of money 15:12 < delinquentme> saying not interested as an absolute is retarded 15:12 < delinquentme> yes i know 15:12 < kanzure> anyone can make that in 2 months 15:12 < delinquentme> however thats working a job 15:12 < kanzure> and, equity means they want companies only 15:12 < delinquentme> not a startup 24/7 15:13 < kanzure> which probably means they want things like patents 15:13 < delinquentme> so you're against incorporating? 15:13 < kanzure> no 15:13 < delinquentme> whats up with the cutter? 15:13 < kanzure> i'm just skeptical of their value 15:13 < delinquentme> wheres the update 15:13 < kanzure> what update 15:13 < delinquentme> the value is you're 5 minutes from a microfluidics foundry and CMU 15:13 < kanzure> making a microfluidics foundry isn't a big deal 15:13 < delinquentme> which is at least half-decent 15:13 < delinquentme> .... 15:13 < delinquentme> ... 15:14 < delinquentme> . 15:14 < delinquentme> ....................... 15:14 < delinquentme> sure so whats up with the cutter? 15:14 < kanzure> and even if it was, i don't see why i should prefer CMU's over UT's 15:14 < kanzure> or over stanford's 15:14 < delinquentme> well whatever works really 15:14 < delinquentme> i mean if i could get $20 grand to let you guys sit at home and visit PGH once in a while 15:15 < delinquentme> as well as constant access to a foundry thats not half bad 15:15 < kanzure> it's not constant access, those usually close after business hours 15:15 < kanzure> i don't see what you have against building out your own foundry 15:15 < delinquentme> nothing 15:15 < delinquentme> just faster == better 15:15 < delinquentme> and we dont have one yet 15:15 < delinquentme> you* guys dont have one yet 15:16 < kanzure> *shrug* it's coming along 15:17 < delinquentme> i mean lets be honest 15:17 < delinquentme> that isn't " the gantrys complete" 15:17 < delinquentme> or "weve gotten it down to micron resolution" 15:18 < delinquentme> its pretty damn nebulous amirite? 15:18 < kanzure> so far there's nothing wrong with the gantry 15:18 < delinquentme> is there something I can help with? 15:18 < kanzure> yeah, you can go find fenn for me 15:18 < delinquentme> are you guys designing it to run on an arduino? 15:18 < kanzure> no 15:18 < kanzure> absolutely not 15:20 < kanzure> it's going to be linux running on something above the embedded classification 15:21 < delinquentme> so linux CNC is going to be doing the pulsing? 15:21 < kanzure> that's the current design 15:25 < kanzure> delinquentme: extra cash isn't going to accelerate things at this point 15:25 < delinquentme> true 15:25 < delinquentme> ummmmmm what was I gonna say...... 15:26 < delinquentme> OH but i mean having a foundry to start running protos might ? 15:26 < delinquentme> and cmu might have some experience right? 15:26 < delinquentme> any rough ideas on what the channels should look like? 15:35 < delinquentme> Liiiiike you should have an answer for that right? 15:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-177-161.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:39 < kanzure> bleh not sure about theze: http://www.meetup.com/Biohackers-NYC/about/ "instead of direct modification or tinkering with DNA to more macro level interventions like modifying nutrition , fitness regimens, and mindfulness practices" .. boooring 15:39 < kanzure> delinquentme: i'm not particularly interested in paying CMU to design my chip 15:42 < delinquentme> nah if theres a grad they're obligated to it 15:42 < delinquentme> its part of her research 15:54 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:30 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:31 -!- 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19:18 < Juul> :-/ 19:18 < Juul> no-one mentioned shrinking anything in all of 2011 19:18 < Juul> how sad 19:19 < kanzure> well, or shrink ray 19:20 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 274 seconds] 19:22 < Juul> what does my eye spy in my inbox 19:22 < Juul> is that a duolingo invite 19:23 < kanzure> hah their concept is funky 19:23 < kanzure> translate a website, but they teach you in the process? 19:23 < Juul> you translate snippets of text it looks like 19:23 < Juul> and you can look up words by hovering over them if you don't know them 19:23 < Juul> very polished interface it looks like 19:24 < kanzure> every time you see a polished interface, someone like me gains a single grey hair 19:25 < kanzure> looks like twitter bootstrap actually 19:27 < Juul> twitter bootstrap? 19:27 < kanzure> Juul: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ 19:27 < Juul> ah cool 19:27 < delinquentme> Gew night all! 19:27 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28 < kanzure> Juul: sorta popular among web app developers 19:28 < kanzure> because everyone hates reinventing the wheel 19:28 < Juul> yeah, I've been playing with ExtJS but it's kinda sluggish 19:29 < Juul> not as nice and simple as it could be 19:29 < kanzure> oh sencha's thing? 19:29 < Juul> yeah 19:29 < kanzure> i prefer to use phonegap, but that's not a js framework i guess 19:29 < kanzure> phonegap+backbone hits most platforms, including desktop 19:29 -!- skinmocha [~userid@c-24-61-126-211.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 < kanzure> hi skinmocha 19:30 < skinmocha> hi 19:30 < skinmocha> reddit is just too screwed up to use 19:30 < kanzure> don't use reddit 19:30 < skinmocha> It clearly takes your posts, because you can SEE THEM PLAIN AS DAY in the user profiles 19:30 < Juul> wow, problem solved in 3.5 words 19:30 < skinmocha> But then they don't appear on the damned subreddit itself 19:31 < kanzure> Juul: i'm just not convinced of its utility 19:31 < skinmocha> And I'm talking like, inside a subreddit which I myself created, I pown, and I moderatre 19:31 < kanzure> skinmocha: who are you 19:31 < skinmocha> If I am an "approved submitter" my posts should appear within the subreddit /within seconds/ 19:32 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:32 < skinmocha> This crap where you go "well...the website is just a tad slow today" is totall bullshit. I can SEE THE SUBMISSION right ther plain as day on the user profile! 19:32 < kanzure> why are you ranting about reddit in here? 19:32 < skinmocha> So the WEBSITE STORED IT. Fact. 19:33 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 19:33 < Juul> maybe they have nowhere else to rant? 19:33 <@kanzure> Juul: there's ##reddit 19:33 <@kanzure> and #redit 19:33 < skinmocha> No... those channels are empty 19:33 <@kanzure> i typoed the second one 19:34 < skinmocha> #reddit 19:34 -!- skinmocha was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [skinmocha] 19:34 <@kanzure> off you go 19:34 <@kanzure> how did that happen? 19:35 < _Sketch_> Weird. 19:35 < Juul> odd 19:35 <@kanzure> "Hi, is this alcoholics anonymous? Transgenic biology, you say? Well, I have this problem with reddit..." 19:38 <@kanzure> some light reading.. http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/05/how-complex-is-mouse-brain.html 19:39 <@kanzure> allen brain institute video http://www.youtube.com/watch?fv=73lUjX_8-T4 "Hongkui Zeng: 2011 Allen Institute for Brain Science Symposium" 19:39 <@kanzure> "Existing knowledge is incomplete and scattered around in the literature, she said, and this project will map connections throughout the mouse brain via a scalable, reproducible method. With a desired total scope of 300-500 locations in the brain, the Allen Mouse Brain Connectivity Atlas will trace connections in the mouse brain using both Cre-transgenic -- genetically engineered to target specific cell-types -- and wild-type mice." 19:39 <@kanzure> "Using over a hundred Cre lines, the Atlas will reveal to where in the brain axons project by tracing axonal fiber bundles from specific focal sites through the brain to both major and minor projection sites." 19:40 <@kanzure> oh neat.. http://www.youtube.com/user/AllenInstitute 19:41 < Juul> 1000 times as many neurons? 19:41 < Juul> that's more more than i would have thought 19:41 <@kanzure> their marketing video is pretty great.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e74pCJmd07s 19:49 < Juul> yeah it's well-made 19:49 <@kanzure> i remember writing some random code to crunch their data in 2008 19:49 <@kanzure> but didn't know about their youtube presence 19:50 -!- skinmocha [~userid@c-24-61-126-211.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:50 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57 <@kanzure> henry markram video from supercomputing 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rPH1Abuu9M 20:00 <@kanzure> apparently he also wrote "augmenting cognition" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQOnzzk3ByU 20:01 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:02 <@kanzure> ugh that's a terrible video actually 20:03 < skinmocha> Henry Markram's voice makes me all sleepy 20:03 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:04 <@kanzure> skinmocha: "Reporters see much to like: Markram is tall, striking and explains his ideas with the clarity, quotability and urgency of a South African version of the late Carl Sagan. He has "a hypnotic effect", says Richard Hahnloser, a computational neuroscientist at the INI." 20:04 <@kanzure> 'hypnotic' 20:05 < skinmocha> lolol 20:19 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20 -!- Jora [~Jora@24-196-83-11.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:20 -!- Jora [~Jora@24-196-83-11.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:20 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 -!- Cat4D [182be7c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.231.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:27 -!- Cat4D [182be7c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.231.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:28 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:36 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:40 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:46 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:47 < skinmocha> this vid cuts off early http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rPH1Abuu9M 20:59 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-225-149.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:00 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:18 <@kanzure> skinmocha: it's a multi-part video 21:23 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:37 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:49 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:08 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:29 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:43 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:10 -!- Cat4D [182bd7e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.215.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:26 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:29 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] --- Log closed Fri May 18 00:00:13 2012