--- Log opened Fri May 18 00:00:13 2012 01:06 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:16 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28 -!- moriarty [~art@unaffiliated/moriarty] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:06 -!- jenzebubble [jen@173-18-211-34.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:06 -!- jenzebubble [jen@173-18-211-34.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:13 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:13 < delinquentme> moarrr ning ! 04:17 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:19 < strangewarp> Watching regular everyday intellectuals talk about the future makes my head hurt. 04:19 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f301:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:19 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:19 < moriarty> strangewarp, is that a good thing or a bad thing? 04:20 < strangewarp> Mostly it's all so bleak and lacking in decent futurism that I want to strangle someone 04:23 < strangewarp> "We might be able to terraform Mars in a couple hundred years, and that would be the next human frontier" "If anyone survives the global war that the collapse of oil and water will cause" "Well yes of course" AAAHH 04:23 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:26 < Urchin> still, the Planetary Resourcess stuff is cool 04:26 < Urchin> and looks good 04:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:31 < strangewarp> Indeed, at the very least Planetary Resources is a focal point for creating optimism 04:35 < moriarty> the economics behind Planetary Resources is untenable 04:36 < moriarty> sorry to say 04:37 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Quit: bbl :)] 04:38 < delinquentme> moriarty, what do you mean? 04:38 < delinquentme> strangewarp, agreed 04:38 < delinquentme> pundits glaore 04:39 < moriarty> in any case, it's good that we are dismal about the prospects of oil depletion, in that sense we are more prepared now than we were previously, and also good for the crunch that we are in 04:42 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:45 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:50 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f301:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:51 < strangewarp> moriarty: Planetary Resources is being backed by billionaires who quite dearly want it to exist, so in the short term, it should inspire the old-fashioned space-cadet kind of people's optimistic ambitions 04:51 < strangewarp> Asteroid-mining, as it's classically been conceived, is definitely financially dubious, don't get me wrong 04:53 < moriarty> delinquentme, the kind of ROI expected for wildcat exploration is typically two years to half-a-year as a limitation on exposure to those risk levels, compared to modestly risky projects with expected ROI of five years, so for an asteroid mining project with platinum ore, R&D, exploration, production (mining platform and processing plant) construction, transportation, and the actual 04:53 < moriarty> mining 04:53 < delinquentme> Oh I was of the thought that they were grabbing them and returning them to earth 04:55 < moriarty> ... 47 mm tonnes would be required in order to achieve at least 50% ROI for a near-earth asteroid within the ninety percentile where platinum ore concentration is typically within 140 PPM 04:57 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:57 < delinquentme> moriarty, you're telling me that a universal average for platinum more is 140 ppm 04:58 < moriarty> delinquentme, for ninety percent of asteroids that are near-earth, yes 04:59 < moriarty> i.e. within 1.3 AUs apsis distance 04:59 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-225-149.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:01 < moriarty> it's 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Netsplit over, joins: strages_work, skinmocha, strangewarp, Thorbinator, splicer, nate_, AlonzoTG, nathaniel, Guest56480 08:27 <@kanzure> beepity boop 08:29 <@kanzure> http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/02/23/does-personal-identity-survive-cryopreservation/ 08:30 <@kanzure> i am too scarred to read that and check what awful assumptions they make about "personal identity" 08:30 <@kanzure> also.. that's very long 08:34 < strangewarp> I want to counter that sort of argument by saying "if your concept of 'personal identity' would not survive cryonics, it has almost certainly been resimulated many times over in the Big Universe regardless", but it's too risky of a line of rebuttal - I'd best stick to the standard "massive fluctuations already occur in the human brain and I'm pretty sure we're fine" 08:36 <@kanzure> strangewarp: i think it's simpler to say that anyone yapping about personal identity is bullshitting you 08:37 < strangewarp> yeah pretty much 08:53 -!- delinquentme 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[~eudoxia@r186-52-161-11.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-161-11.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 -!- calango [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:52 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:53 <@kanzure> hi calango 11:55 < calango> hi kanzure :) 12:06 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-231.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:43 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-141-231.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-146-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:17 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-146-57.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:19 -!- moriarty 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