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02:30 < skinmocha> >_> 02:41 < delinquentme> skinmocha, itll be cool :D 02:54 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:13 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:15 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:38 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:19 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:36 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-79-122.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-55.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-55.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08 -!- Cat4D [4335d082@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.53.208.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:12 -!- Cat4D [4335d082@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.53.208.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:33 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:44 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:52 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-32-137.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:05 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:13 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Quit: bbl] 08:17 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:25 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:51 < delinquentme> hio all! 08:51 < eudoxia> hey 08:54 -!- Cat4D [425b8c22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.91.140.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:57 * delinquentme hug eudoxia 08:57 * delinquentme hug kanzure 08:58 * delinquentme hug ENKI-][ 08:58 < ThomasEgi> ... dont even THINK about it 09:11 < delinquentme> O_O 09:11 * delinquentme sneaks up 09:51 < ThomasEgi> can someone explain to me why a my package went from philadelphia to chicago, 1200km west. when the destination is 6000km east ?? 09:51 < ThomasEgi> is there like some cia-package-inspection facility in chicago which has to be passed before they can fly it over or what? 10:00 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-32-137.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:09 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14 <@kanzure> buh? http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/100-year-roadmap 10:15 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxhgoowxxcyanfby] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:16 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hwrcgynudgffagiw] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:16 -!- ziyadb [u4806@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsdwhdhugljjlglj] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:17 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irjyhklpmrtfgtaq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:18 < delinquentme> kanzure, build the enterprise ? 10:18 < delinquentme> I mean sure if we want to consult designers > engineers 10:19 < delinquentme> doesnt look like that body style is going to handle any kind of acceleration to me 10:19 < mensch> The Gen1 Enterprise will include a powerful laser... there is not enough electrical power generated by the main reactor to power both the laser and the main engine... On the 4th of July the Enterprise can fly over the US with its laser energized for shooting streaks of bright light across the night sky – a kind of fireworks from space. Upon request, this could be done over other nations on special occasions too. 10:19 < mensch> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/100mw-laser 10:21 <@kanzure> is that milliwatt or megawatt 10:21 < delinquentme> For 30 years I have worked at the same Fortune 500 company 10:21 < delinquentme> sounds like an innovator 10:21 < mensch> megawhat 10:23 <@kanzure> mensch: megawhat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX3P1HVfSmQ#t=13 10:24 -!- upgrayeddd [~u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ahangquzxeotyoex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:24 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 < mensch> kanzure: indeed 10:37 -!- upgrayeddd [~u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ahangquzxeotyoex] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:52 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [] 11:08 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-41.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 < chevbird> Hey all. Just got back from my first bosslab meeting 11:10 <@kanzure> chevbird: so what did you think? 11:10 -!- ziyadb [u4806@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wycnnpufkllyjdcp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 < Mariu> hey 11:11 < chevbird> Pretty cool 11:11 < chevbird> Has potential 11:12 <@kanzure> chevbird: i haven't met avery yet. what's she like 11:12 < chevbird> Labs relatively small but they have connections with a local engineering startup so they (i guess its "we" now) can get custom equiptment free to cheap 11:13 < chevbird> Averys a dude. Hes cool, pretty laid back and open to new input 11:14 <@kanzure> what the hell? a dude 11:14 <@kanzure> i didn't expect that 11:14 < chevbird> Yup. Dude. (His twitter is @tequals0) 11:17 < chevbird> But yea its a cool setup, disorganized but cool. So i guess the plan is to host biotech classes to help pay for other research 11:17 < chevbird> Which i can dig 11:18 <@kanzure> heh well i haven't seen an academic lab that was organized 11:18 < delinquentme> @_@ MegaKabuterimon 11:18 <@kanzure> actually i take that back, a plant biology lab i worked in was super organized 11:18 < chevbird> 5S...annoying yet effective 11:19 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gzednwsgxwmqjjls] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:22 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:24 < chevbird> But yea. Definitely has potential. 11:24 -!- Steel2 [81a149d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.161.73.214] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:24 < Steel2> >_> 11:32 -!- chevbird_ [~chevbird@66-87-85-41.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:32 -!- chevbird_ [~chevbird@66-87-85-41.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:37 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.202.174.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:38 < Steel2> kanzure, you around? 11:38 < chevbird> He was a second ago 11:51 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-41.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-72.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 <@kanzure> Steel2: yes 12:02 < Steel2> do you know why the emotiv is only 4 channels? 12:03 <@kanzure> no. i assumed incompetence or price sensitivity. 12:04 < Steel2> Any idea how hard it would be to get more than 4? 12:05 <@kanzure> Steel2: well, first, don't use emotiv.. i'd start with openeeg's design 12:05 <@kanzure> i think they were doing 32 and 64 channels 12:05 <@kanzure> but.. eeg isn't that interesting 12:05 < Steel2> well, I might be using the term wrong 12:05 < Steel2> emotiv can check for 4 given 'thoughts' at a time 12:06 < Steel2> ie you can set it to check for forward back left right out of the 13 possible 12:06 < Steel2> or maybe forward back up down 12:06 <@kanzure> thoughts are not channels 12:07 <@kanzure> no this is all wrong 12:07 < Steel2> yes, I'm using the wrong term 12:07 < Steel2> Cognitiv can only listen for 4 inputs out of a possible 13 at a given time 12:26 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-131-247.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-72.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:28 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-72.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-131-247.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 12:35 < azonenberg> kanzure, Steel2: i know a guy who is doing a lot of BCI stuff 12:36 < azonenberg> one of the guys behind BCI2000 12:36 < azonenberg> but he's also fooling around with the emotiv 12:36 < Steel2> is he at RPI? 12:36 < azonenberg> yes 12:36 < azonenberg> well, graduating this semester 12:36 < azonenberg> griffin milsap 12:36 < azonenberg> most of his work is at wadsworth labs though 12:36 < azonenberg> and i think he's doing a phd at johns hopkins starting in the fall 12:37 < Steel2> added 12:37 < Steel2> since I'll be in DC area too 12:40 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 12:40 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 -!- chevbird_ [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-85-72.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:02 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:03 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 -!- chevbird_ [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 14:02 < delinquentme> LAWL FACEBOOK 14:02 * delinquentme composes self 14:10 -!- skinmocha [~userid@c-24-61-126-211.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 14:11 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:13 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:15 -!- ParahSailin_ is now known as ParahSailin 14:15 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-150-108.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:15 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:34 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48 -!- skimocha [~userid@c-24-61-126-211.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:01 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:07 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.202.174.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:56 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:09 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- Steel2 [81a149d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.161.73.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: death is a disease, it should be eradicated.] 17:06 < chevbird> anyone around? looking for some education advice....not sure which concentration to pick for my biotech masters: "life sciences" or "bioengineering and nanotech" 17:07 < chevbird> the former is more biochem while the later is more microfluidics/bioMEMS 17:07 < chevbird> background: i do r&d in the sequencing field and want to continue 17:08 <@kanzure> chevbird: i'd probably try to convince you to do neither 17:08 < chevbird> other option is management 17:08 < chevbird> lol 17:08 < delinquentme> chevbird, whos footing the bill 17:08 < delinquentme> oh god no not management 17:08 < chevbird> work 17:08 < delinquentme> please 17:08 < delinquentme> can you handle nano? 17:08 < delinquentme> can you rape it 17:08 <@kanzure> what the hell does that mean delinquentme? 17:09 < delinquentme> if so do nano 17:09 <@kanzure> what does "do nano" mean 17:09 < chevbird> idk if i can rape it 17:09 <@kanzure> go away 17:09 < delinquentme> ... kanzure you're trolling me 17:09 <@kanzure> no, i'm not. 17:09 <@kanzure> "do nano" 17:09 < delinquentme> within context you know what the trinary is 17:09 < chevbird> i might be able to convince it to go to coffee 17:09 < delinquentme> lolol chevbird 17:09 < delinquentme> you've got my vote 17:10 < delinquentme> I've thrown around the idea of enlisting to get that major 17:10 < delinquentme> derp not major but experience 17:10 < chevbird> sure 17:10 < delinquentme> but thats a big dumb military dick id be riding for 4 years 17:10 < chevbird> im not sure 17:10 < delinquentme> kanzure, y du hate? 17:10 < delinquentme> chevbird, id ask which you like more 17:10 <@kanzure> delinquentme: because you just make noise in here. go back to reddit. 17:10 < chevbird> im thinking microfluidics are where the future is going 17:11 < delinquentme> but I'd be willing to bet either program will beat that out of you 17:11 < delinquentme> lol did i hit a vein saying you talk too much? 17:11 <@kanzure> chevbird: do you mean your future employment or do you mean 'the future' in some other sense 17:11 <@kanzure> delinquentme: just stop saying dumb things 17:11 < chevbird> i meant the future but both apply 17:11 < delinquentme> chevbird, also note that we're heavily inclined towards microfluidics here 17:11 <@kanzure> chevbird: both what? i only said one :( 17:11 < delinquentme> so its a bit of a bias 17:12 < delinquentme> ... 17:12 <@kanzure> delinquentme: nobody in here has ever vouched for microfluidics being 'the future of employment' 17:12 <@kanzure> delinquentme: so, you're lying 17:12 < chevbird> oh...ummm the future of the market, where the tech is heading 17:12 < chevbird> but 17:12 < delinquentme> future employment vrs 'the future' ? 17:12 < chevbird> me personally applies too 17:12 < delinquentme> thats.. one ... two? 17:12 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i said "some other sense". that's not a specific thing, it was a question for chevbird. 17:12 < delinquentme> no kanzure lol 17:12 < delinquentme> oiy 17:12 < delinquentme> ok this is entirely destructive 17:12 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you want to hug this out? 17:12 -!- delinquentme was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [delinquentme] 17:13 <@kanzure> no, don't hug me 17:13 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:13 < delinquentme> bc this feels like a convo w my girlfriend 17:13 < skimocha> lol! 20:13] <@kanzure> no, don't hug me 17:13 < delinquentme> seriously 17:13 < delinquentme> get your shit together 17:13 -!- delinquentme was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [delinquentme] 17:13 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:13 <@kanzure> man this is annoying 17:13 < chevbird> so here's the difference 17:13 < delinquentme> kanzure, you're on my nuts about something stupid 17:13 <@kanzure> chevbird: go on 17:13 < chevbird> the bulk of LS is biochem 17:14 < delinquentme> if you wanna argue it out feel free to 17:14 < chevbird> and by bulk i mean 80% 17:14 < chevbird> and on the flipside, the bulk of bioeng is engineering, microfluidics, blah blah 17:14 < chevbird> also 80% 17:15 < chevbird> so its a big distinction between the two 17:15 <@kanzure> chevbird: i'm still confused about what you're aiming for- employment for sure? 17:15 < chevbird> correct 17:16 <@kanzure> chevbird: i doubt your exact concentration would determine which employers would want you 17:16 < chevbird> i agree 17:16 < delinquentme> chevbird, so then thats it .. do whatever you think you can handle and has a better future 17:17 < chevbird> theres a lot more freedom in course selection with LS 17:17 < chevbird> so thats another difference 17:19 -!- calango [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 <@kanzure> hi calango 17:19 < delinquentme> also kanzure if you want me to leave 17:19 < chevbird> i just dont want to get pidgeonholed 17:19 < delinquentme> fucking say it 17:19 < chevbird> i think he did when he kicked you twice 17:20 < delinquentme> chevbird, are you kanzure ? 17:20 < delinquentme> i mean if you are? 17:20 < calango> hi kanzure 17:20 < chevbird> haha nope and im staying out of it 17:20 <@kanzure> chevbird: so far, i have seen lots of mol. bio. people end up pidgeon holed (unless they go through a postdoc and do some random university-owned company) 17:20 < chevbird> yea 17:21 <@kanzure> lab technician isn't particularly glamorous, but yashgaroth seems to be okay with that (i think he qualifies as lots more than that, but his last job seemed to be.. lab technician) 17:21 < chevbird> im above that now, but i want a PM role in the next 6 years or so 17:22 <@kanzure> what? 17:22 <@kanzure> so what do you do at broad inst.? 17:22 < chevbird> protocol development 17:22 <@kanzure> and other people carry out the protocols? 17:22 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 <@kanzure> oh right, i remember you do some lab automation too 17:22 < chevbird> well, the bitch work yes 17:23 < chevbird> but i do a bit on the bench/robots...i see where you're going 17:23 <@kanzure> lab automation work is lots of fun but i don't exactly see employers gobbling that up ;) 17:23 <@kanzure> how'd you land your current gig? 17:24 < delinquentme> does your average lab manager think in term of robotics? 17:24 < chevbird> the boring way 17:24 < chevbird> applied 17:24 < chevbird> interviewed 17:24 < chevbird> got it 17:24 <@kanzure> chevbird: they were hiring for this position though? 17:24 < chevbird> yes 17:24 <@kanzure> i suppose it's not unusual for a research org 17:25 <@kanzure> juul was doing some similar work for biofab 17:25 <@kanzure> hrm juul isn't around 17:28 < chevbird> i mean dont get me wrong. i love my job 17:28 < chevbird> i just dont want to stop advancing 17:28 < chevbird> and for that, i think a good way is to leverage whatever education path towards a career path 17:30 <@kanzure> chevbird: careers for lab automation aren't really well travelled 17:30 < chevbird> what do you mean 17:30 <@kanzure> like, you could do a consulting company and hang out at lots of conferences to get sales at your automation shop 17:31 <@kanzure> you could possibly get a spot at some chemical factory, but lots of those are just maintenance phases 17:31 < chevbird> im with you there 17:31 < chevbird> and thats not what i want 17:32 < chevbird> new tech development is what i want 17:32 < chevbird> think better off ted with genomics 17:32 < chevbird> and way less funny 17:32 <@kanzure> i can't think of a company doing that really, 17:32 < nmz787> chevbird: i took a microE course that came with a lab... math in the lecture was great but wayyyy over my head to remember or compute (i could intuitively understand most of it though)... the lab was badass, so if you can get into a clean room, I recommend the experience 17:32 <@kanzure> even halcyon molecular only had one or two hardware projects (tops) 17:33 < chevbird> nmz787 yea? you have an engineering background going in? 17:33 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 < nmz787> no i'm majoring in biotech, only need 1 or 2 more courses after this week 17:34 < chevbird> sweet 17:34 < nmz787> i 'know' about engineering, i 'get' math, but i can't remember math for shit because practicing it really stresses me out 17:35 < nmz787> i'm better with hands on stuff 17:35 <@kanzure> chevbird: which company would you shoot for? 17:35 < chevbird> math is what matlab is for 17:36 < chevbird> something in the gist of a ion (life) or a gnubio (harvard) or a nanopore (oxford) 17:36 <@kanzure> so far gnubio hasn't done anything right? 17:36 < chevbird> or even staying at a major seq center 17:36 <@kanzure> nanopore has mainly one project 17:36 <@kanzure> ok. so running sequencers? 17:36 < chevbird> correct...these companies are built around one idea 17:36 <@kanzure> join up with beijing genome institute :p 17:36 < nmz787> i dont think life is a good company to even think about if you dont have 10 years industry and a phd 17:37 < nmz787> you will be a bitch ass dog until you have that at life tech 17:38 < chevbird> fair enough 17:38 <@kanzure> chevbird: you know about bgi right? 17:38 < chevbird> i speak english 17:38 < chevbird> so im not the best candidate 17:38 <@kanzure> bah 17:39 < chevbird> humbug 17:41 < nmz787> chevbird: how long in school do you have, are you looking for jobs now or in a year? 17:42 < chevbird> ive got a bit...2014 17:42 < chevbird> and around then for the job search to get agressive 17:42 < chevbird> internally and otherwise 17:43 < nmz787> well i think i heard nanotech job growth is gonna flatten out in the next 10 years 17:43 < nmz787> i cant remember where from 17:44 < roksprok> chevbird: is it normal for people to do PM without phd's? 17:44 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 < nmz787> PM?? 17:44 <@kanzure> "project management" 17:44 <@kanzure> anyone does that, depends on the company 17:45 < chevbird> from what ive seen, after 6 years of industry related experience a masters will cut it 17:45 <@kanzure> after a few years of industry experience, nobody cares what degrees you have 17:45 <@kanzure> (unless they are asking for postdocs/phds) 17:46 < nmz787> chevbird: you should definitely be on the lookout for what kind of projects you would like to sink your teeth into for 4-10 years, and find the intersection of that with what jobs are out there/on the horizon 17:47 < roksprok> nmz787: how do you tell which jobs are on the horizon? 17:47 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-91-221-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:47 < roksprok> federal labor force reports seem too broad 17:48 < chevbird> yea 17:48 < chevbird> thats the big money question 17:48 < chevbird> literally 17:49 < docl> cryo is underserved, imho 17:49 < delinquentme> look where private investments are 17:49 <@kanzure> docl: cryo isn't really hiring that many people 17:49 <@kanzure> alcor hasn't been on a hiring spree 17:49 <@kanzure> CI is still the same people 17:50 < delinquentme> not to mention you've got google out there 17:50 < delinquentme> pick your key term and compare saturation 17:50 <@kanzure> what does google have to do with cryonics? 17:51 < docl> for a job I'd look into 21st century medicine or advanced neural biosciences. (though I know the latter doesn't have money at the moment.) 17:51 < chevbird> i think hes saying its a tool to search for interest 17:52 < docl> cryo research is different from being a service provider anyway 17:54 < chevbird> advanced neural is in PA?...weird 17:54 < delinquentme> so chevbird a possible workflow for something like this would be 1) locate where private cap is being spent ( first to mind is JCVI and synthetic bio ) 2) check out what they're working on ( everything from what positions are they hiring to whos listed as employed by them on linked in ) 3) go look op research they're publishing, there are KW tools out there for extracting interesting data 17:55 < delinquentme> so in the case of JCVI pull together a bunch of their research and get the KWs from it... google those and compare which has more matches 17:55 < docl> chevbird: nah it's here in oregon 17:56 < delinquentme> i did this for an ORM the other day "mongoid" vrs "mongomapper" one had twice the search results 17:56 < delinquentme> so you can draw some conclusions from that 17:56 < delinquentme> another thing is biostar... see what topics are tagged the most 17:57 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i don't think it's fair to compare software industry to biotech industry like that at all 17:57 < delinquentme> kanzure, Im attempting to offer something that is as objective as possible 17:58 < delinquentme> yes that doesnt assert it as the next big thing 17:58 < delinquentme> but it does verify interest 18:00 < chevbird> alrighty team, im punching out for the night. thanks for the input. 18:00 < chevbird> disclosure: im leaning towards bioengineering/nano 18:01 < chevbird> until probably tomorrow 18:01 < chevbird> then ill change my mind again 18:01 < docl> :) 18:02 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11 < nmz787> kanzure: any word from fenn re: the design? 18:16 <@kanzure> no :( 18:21 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 < nmz787> :( 18:44 < nmz787> kanzure: this looks good: http://www.wavespectrum-laser.com/product_list.php?curSubID=148 18:44 < nmz787> except there isnt a price 18:44 < nmz787> :( 18:44 < nmz787> LAME 19:07 -!- devrando1 [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:15 <@kanzure> "In February 2011, Hwang visited Libya as part of a W150 billion project in the North African country to build a stem cell research center and transfer relevant technology. However, the project was canceled when civil war started there." 19:19 <@kanzure> "The five-year contract was to be worth W153 billion or 98.5 million euros to be used to build a clinic and research lab near Tripoli and fund its operation." 19:33 < delinquentme> so I've had a few discussions with people 19:33 < delinquentme> specifically on how "actionable" life extension is 19:34 < delinquentme> stem cells are up there ... but back to the question before ... how does one determine what will make an impact 19:34 < delinquentme> surely theres something better than "get good at XYZ process and start applying it" 19:37 < delinquentme> alright all im out ! toodles 19:37 <@kanzure> step one is read everything 19:37 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-85-154.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ 19:37 <@kanzure> ok or just leave. 19:38 -!- mako [~mako@118-93-250-85.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:04 < nmz787> kanzure: how do i 'git update' or something like that? 20:04 < nmz787> oh 20:04 < nmz787> git pull worked 20:08 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17 < nmz787> fenn: you around? 20:19 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Quit: ...unyaaa ~~~] 20:54 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:54 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-67-242-177-23.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:03 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-83-89.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:03 -!- 36DABBH87 [~chevbird@66-87-83-89.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@66-87-83-89.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:04 -!- 36DABBH87 [~chevbird@66-87-83-89.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:57 -!- calango [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:58 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:00 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 22:31 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@70-140-184-45.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:02 <@kanzure> "A simple and convenient synthesis of pseudoephedrine from n-methylamphetamine" http://heterodoxy.cc/meowdocs/pseudo/pseudosynth.pdf 23:03 <@kanzure> uhh 23:03 <@kanzure> the author is "O. Hai" 23:04 <@kanzure> other fun things: http://heterodoxy.cc/meowdocs/chempubs/ 23:05 < n_bentha> rlol 23:11 < nmz787> man, that synthesis doesn't seem like it would be useful to anyone 23:11 < nmz787> cool to know reaction wise i guess 23:13 < nmz787> " O. Hai wrote the text of the paper, mostly with her toes." wtf?? 23:13 <@kanzure> ohai there 23:14 < nmz787> "The authors, O. Hai and I. B. Hakkenshit, describe a synthesis of pseudoephedrine from readily available crystal meth.  Pseudoephedrine is the decongestant in Sudafed, which used to be out on stores shelves.  Now if you want to buy it you have to show your drivers license at a pharmacy.  This synthesis should make it much easier to get this useful medicine." 23:14 < nmz787> hah 23:14 < nmz787> "Journal of Apocryphal Chemistry " 23:15 < nmz787> this must be an 'The Onion' type article 23:16 < nmz787> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Journal+of+Apocryphal+Chemistry%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33 23:16 < nmz787> no matches 23:16 <@kanzure> this is possibly written by a friend of the tarsnap.com guy 23:17 <@kanzure> ib hakkenshit. i totally missed that 23:24 <@kanzure> "I had the chance to talk with the authors recently and I believe that they have been using a Schlenk line and glassware under nitrogen atmosphere. However they are champions of home brewed technology and are hoping to simplify the methodology. If they succeed I would expect that trailer homes would be the preferred apparatus" 23:25 < n_bentha> hahaha 23:33 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment 23:33 < nmz787> weird, i dont get how you can monitor a photon without absorbing it 23:36 < nmz787> bam, future: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_radar 23:37 < nmz787> i wonder if nano tech is leveraging research/theory physics to get below diffraction limit 23:37 < nmz787> i know they do some kind of crazy tricks 23:38 < nmz787> oh, yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_entanglement#Applications 23:40 < nmz787> wait, there are no citations 23:40 < nmz787> and the second and third paragraphs contradict each other 23:57 < docl> I wonder if LN2 could be used to make a good waterjet-style cutter. You wouldn't need a pump, you could use the thermal expansion of the LN2. 23:58 < ParahSailin> they are below the diffraction limit with their photolithography 23:59 < ParahSailin> they are far below the wavelength of any laser 23:59 < ParahSailin> well excimer, not laser --- Log closed Sun May 20 00:00:15 2012