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06:35 < kanzure> ybit: ?
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06:40 < ybit> kanzure: i don't know, it just felt appropriate
06:46 < kanzure> "In his talk, Bill Faloon updated us on progress and plans concerning Timeship, noting how much had already been invested in the project ($27 million) and how much would likely be needed before it would be operational"
06:46 < kanzure> "However, important questions remain unanswered regarding how Timeship would work with existing and new patients of various cryonics organizations."
06:47 < kanzure> "Also on the resilience front, member Mark Voelker is conducting an updated analysis of the cost and difficulty of making our own liquid nitrogen."
06:47 < kanzure> "My initial sense of his findings is that, given the cost for current consumption levels, (unless funds were contributed specifically for creating and sustaining an independent supply), we would only put this into action if we anticipated major disruptions in our supply."
06:48 < kanzure> "One of our senior members visited Alcor recently and we discussed his concern that, living alone, he might undergo clinical death without anyone knowing. He asked us to look into medical monitoring devices that a member might use to alert us to a potentially fatal event."
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07:35 < kanzure> http://neuroimages.tumblr.com/
07:35 < kanzure> "46 microscope slides containing ultra-thin sections of Einstein’s brain go on display at the Mütter Museum in Philadelphia. Evi Numen/ Mütter Museum of The College of Physicians of Philadelphia"
07:35 < kanzure> only 46?
07:36 < kanzure> someone should setup brainslookingatpicturesofbrains.tumblr.com
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07:58 < kanzure> alcor case report.. http://alcor.org/Library/pdfs/casereportA1002FredChamberlain.pdf
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09:53 < _F7_> hey y'all
09:53 < kanzure> _F7_: hi
09:54 < _F7_> been crazy busy at work and home, and TX/RX, so I've been sparse
09:55 < _F7_> I've been filling my whiteboards recently with crap pertaining to pneumatic infrastructure for ultra-high density living experiments
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09:57 < kanzure> _F7_: what does high-density living mean
09:58 < kanzure> aha, finally found a video of the dragon/iss docking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_NBoSFpykY
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10:03 < _F7_> when I was in high school I had an obsession with the history of the kowloon walled city
10:04 < _F7_> it was a six acre tract of hong kong that the british had claim to but never did anything with
10:05 < _F7_> during military occupation, they paid no attention to squatters on the tract, preferring to police greater hong kong
10:05 < _F7_> so the squatters got industrious
10:05 < _F7_> it was a small enclave with no police and no regulation
10:05 < _F7_> high rise buildings were built
10:06 < _F7_> buildings were built abutting those buildings, walls were knocked out, things were built through and on top of other structures
10:06 < _F7_> the population climbed to over 30k
10:06 < Mokbortolan_1> I'm sure they had very strict fire codes
10:06 < _F7_> and that doesn't count the people that commuted there
10:07 < _F7_> with just the resident population, it was equivalent to 3.5 million people per square mile
10:07 < _F7_> about 200 times the population density of hong kong
10:08 < _F7_> and for some reason, it had about half the incidence of violent crime
10:08 < Mokbortolan_1> sounds like, over time, that would evolve a highly disease-resistant human
10:08 < _F7_> it was a human anthill, it wasn't well planned, and it was incredibly robust
10:08 < _F7_> no population density since has come within two orders of magnitude
10:09 < _F7_> afaik
10:09 < strages_work> http://www.visualnews.com/2011/01/05/kowloon-walled-city-pictures-and-cross-section/
10:09 < kanzure> uhuh.. hrm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/26666808@N07/3729581330/
10:10 < kanzure> oh much better, thanks http://www.deconcrete.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Kowloon-Cross-section-low.jpg
10:11 < _F7_> I have that cross section blown up in my bedroom
10:11 < _F7_> anyways, I am interested in what would happen if something like kowloon were made with some master planning
10:12 < _F7_> kowloon is gone by the way, the chinese leveled it and made a park commemmorating it.
10:12 < _F7_> it was a hotbed of medical
10:12 < kanzure> _F7_: have you read blame!
10:12 < _F7_> yes
10:14 < _F7_> people would fly all over from developed countries and such because people with practices in the walled city would perform procedures two steps ahead of the law
10:15 < _F7_> it had a high per capita income compared to greater hong kong
10:16 < _F7_> it has a spotted history, but is sums up that drug crime and violent crime was seen by the hive as an infection
10:16 < _F7_> and thus lysed
10:16 < strages_work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masdar_City
10:18 < _F7_> neato
10:19 < _F7_> it's not that automobiles were banned, it's that the streets weren't there
10:19 < _F7_> the ground level was essentially a tunnel with high ceilings
10:19 < _F7_> it was lit with indoor flourescent lighting, as light did not filter through
10:21 < _F7_> a person could get from point-to-point in the city without ever having to go back to the ground floor, it was that interconnected
10:21 < kanzure> bah you could also do that with catapults
10:21 < _F7_> hahaha
10:23 < _F7_> anyways, certain things don't scale well, especially without roads
10:24 < _F7_> waste collection by vaccuum has a lot of prior art and success
10:24 < _F7_> there's a system capable of servicing 20.000 people set up on an island in new york
10:24 < _F7_> it currently services over 10K
10:25 < _F7_> it's a central building with two 300 hp blowers
10:25 < _F7_> paired with a vortex separator, air filter, and a sound suppressor for the exhaust air
10:26 < _F7_> all of the buildings in the area have large vertical chutes, and at the bottom there is a computer controlled hopper with a trap door to a 30 inch tube
10:27 < Mokbortolan_1> I cleaned out a garbage chute for a public housing development once
10:27 < Mokbortolan_1> it was awful
10:27 < _F7_> the hopper fills, the blowers spin up, and the trapdoor drops the big bolus into the tube
10:27 < _F7_> about once a year, they send a pig through the system to patch the corners
10:28 < _F7_> it's run for over 30 years
10:28 < _F7_> that's easy
10:29 < _F7_> I'm more interested in a second system for movement of goods
10:30 < _F7_> I've been designing a positive pressure switched network for pneumatic capsule delivery
10:30 < _F7_> kind of like if the ARPAnet had offspring with one of those drive-through banking apparatuses
10:33 < _F7_> I've studied existing systems in the medical center
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10:33 < _F7_> they generally switch a maximum of four lines at once, and the switches contain large, reversible, sometimes regenerative blowers
10:34 < _F7_> a switch has to be able to motivate over the full length of it's connections, generally
10:34 < _F7_> it's a clusterfuck and it doesn't scale well
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10:35 < _F7_> it also tends to just slam the capsule around unless there's specific receiving apparatus to prevent it
10:36 < _F7_> I was looking at having the entire system be positive pressure
10:36 < _F7_> and dappled with simple solenoid vents along the lengths
10:36 < _F7_> just vent in front of a capsule to create a pressure differential
10:37 < _F7_> it's a lot less expensive, power, startup, and wear-wise, than blowers
10:38 < _F7_> the big thing I need to mock up in solidworks is the switch
10:38 < _F7_> big-double-facing revolver with as many chambers as it has barrels
10:39 < _F7_> ..in either direction
10:40 < _F7_> for unidirectional conduits, it can have different numbers of inputs and outputs since a capsule can enter from both directions and leave in the same direction if needed
10:41 < _F7_> it could even service bidirectional conduits if the conduits can be reserved while the capsule is in transit
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10:58 < _F7_> based on some estimations, a heirarchical mesh terminated in rings provides fairly fast distribution and scales about as well as any other network
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11:27 < _F7_> earlier today I took out a fruit fly
11:28 < _F7_> I watched it crash onto a surface of my laptop
11:29 < _F7_> and this little mite, flat and half as wide as the ball of the bic pen I stunned it with, starts crawling free
11:30 < _F7_> it appears to be flightless
11:30 < _F7_> since when do microinsects parasitize other insects?
11:31 < _F7_> I've seen the mites on bees, but fruit flies are jumpy
11:31 < _F7_> I don't know how they end up together
11:31 < _F7_> it'd be like having a CD crawling around your body, if you were superman
11:33 < jrayhawk> prague had a big pneumatic tube network for a while
11:33 < _F7_> I read about it
11:33 < _F7_> Paris had a massive one
11:33 < _F7_> run by steam, over a hundred years ago
11:34 < _F7_> hundreds of nodes, some of which were automatic
11:35 < _F7_> humans really kick ass under constraints
11:35 < _F7_> parisian steam internet is insane
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11:40 < _F7_> Helinski, Finland is putting in a mandatory packet-switched vacuum garbage collection network for one of its districts
11:41 < _F7_> as in all buildings will have to add themselves to the network
11:41 < Mokbortolan_1> I like the idea of autonomous cars
11:41 < Mokbortolan_1> using them like delivery vehicles
11:42 < Mokbortolan_1> but pneumatics would work better for the hyper-dense environments you're talking about
11:42 < _F7_> I like the idea of only needing a car when I leave my home city
11:42 < Mokbortolan_1> aka urban hell :p
11:42 < _F7_> It wouldn't take much
11:43 < _F7_> a small plot of land with good highway access and a reasonably wide utility connection
11:43 < _F7_> away from regulations that would hamper the experiment
11:43 < kanzure> man this looks evil: http://jointhecteam.com/ "teach your students to respect our intellectual property monopolies"
11:44 < _F7_> that's terrifying
11:44 < Mokbortolan_1> jeez, whoever designed that must be a really fast reader
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11:54 < delinquentme> http://www.gizmag.com/rice-university-iv-drip/22579/  << cheap biohacking
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12:08 < delinquentme> anyone in here know their average resting heart rate?
12:14 < JayDugger> I can make a guess.
12:14 < _F7_> about 58
12:14 < kanzure> zero, because i am heartless?
12:14 < JayDugger> I have some HRV data, but it isn't very good.
12:15 < JayDugger> I thought you'd replaced the meat pump with a ATOMIC TURBINE!
12:15 < JayDugger> No pulse, just a steady high-speed whine.
12:15 < JayDugger> Well done _F7_.
12:15 < JayDugger> What's your secret?
12:16 < delinquentme> im fucking 48!!
12:17 < JayDugger> Really?
12:17 < delinquentme> 2x 30 second counts @ 23/24 and a full 60 at 48
12:17 < delinquentme> yeah lol
12:17 < delinquentme> 28 male
12:17 < JayDugger> I envy your sound ticker.
12:17 < delinquentme> dewd thats crazy
12:17 < delinquentme> you want me to send you my torrent of insanity?
12:18 < JayDugger> Not unless you plan to hire me to withstand it, and then only if you outbid my current employer.
12:19 < delinquentme> lol
12:19 < _F7_> what is this torrent
12:25 < delinquentme> _F7_ workout videos >_<
12:25 < delinquentme> you know like stare at your tv and run
12:25 < delinquentme> LOL
12:25 < delinquentme> yeah i do that
12:25 < delinquentme> " Jog it out people jog it out "  ./mild shame
12:28 < kanzure> delinquentme: you might be interested in this app i built, http://icardioescape.com/
12:28 < delinquentme> Oh hey heres a topic it might be a little out there but I think this is the best place I could discuss
12:28 < delinquentme> Physical Force
12:28 < delinquentme> cancel that
12:28 < delinquentme> Force as a means of getting things done ... will that ever go away?
12:28 < delinquentme> oh this is cool kanzure
12:29 < delinquentme> you designed this?
12:29 < kanzure> i coded it up.
12:32 < JayDugger> My heart rate just measured at 70 bpm.
12:33 < delinquentme> JayDugger, a week of insanity and youll see awesome results
12:33 < delinquentme> like its hard as shit
12:34 < delinquentme> but its only 20 minutes
12:36 < delinquentme> kanzure, this is a cool idea
12:36 < delinquentme> did you shoot the trails or is this stuff from istock photo or something?
12:46 < kanzure> check the about page
12:47 < delinquentme> kanzure, is the interface yours?
12:50 < kanzure> nope, someone else did that
12:50 < kanzure> i didn't want to
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12:59 < _F7_> delinquentme, are you afraid of entropy?
12:59 < _F7_> are you trying to figure out how to get things done without change in entropy?
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13:18 < delinquentme> lol no not that complex
13:18 < delinquentme> _F7_, i fancy myself a bit of a buddhist ... right?
13:18 < delinquentme> however if "force" is going nowhere it would be unwise to pursue pacificsm on principle only
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18:09 < klafka> hey
18:23 < docl> howdy
18:24 < klafka> i'm going to work on my mcmc sampler and listen to post-rock
18:25 < mensch> awesome
18:26 < klafka> such a shit storm of a day at work
18:26  * klafka will recover via code
18:26 < mensch> I feel your pain, code away
18:28 < klafka>  i think i want to watch some of this this weekend http://alex.smola.org/teaching/berkeley2012/systems.html
18:31 < mensch> great link
18:31 < klafka> i've been sitting on it for awhile
18:32 < klafka> i need to work on a hadoop project next
18:32 < klafka> >_<
18:32 < klafka> i hate java
18:33 < mensch> hit a snag today, some data I'm inputting into an svm has to be located from a 3.4GB xml file, which I really don't want to split up
18:33 < klafka> why not parse it out of the XML file to something more compact?
18:34 < klafka> is it you don't have enough space to run it in memory?
18:34 < mensch> Yeah, I'm going to chuck in a db of some sort.
18:34 < klafka> you could use like redis or something
18:34 < klafka> or riak
18:34 < mensch> I'm doing fine on the memory front, I think the module I'm using treats it as a stream
18:35 < mensch> Time is the issue
18:35 < klafka> time to process ?
18:35 < klafka> and parse the xml?
18:35 < mensch> I'll check those out.
18:35 < klafka> they are key-value in memory dbs
18:36  * klafka sighs 
18:37 < mensch> Heh
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20:57  * ybit throws brownies at Coornail
20:57 < ybit> 's doorstep
20:57 < ybit> Burn_school burn
20:58 < ybit> what's all the silent people working on?
20:58 < klafka> mcmc sampler
20:58 < klafka> having some problems :(
21:01 < ybit> klafka: for what
21:01 < ybit> augur: are you TAing this time around/
21:01 < ybit> superkuh: what are you doing these days?
21:02 < ybit> you're my favorite person to stalk
21:02 < ybit> where are you located btw?
21:03 < superkuh> I am playing with GNU Radio and RTLSDR, and a very small scale (<1 J) dense plasma focus in 10^-3 torr air next to a cloud chamber.
21:03 < superkuh> Wisconsin.
21:04 < klafka> for fun
21:04 < klafka> my discrete mcmc sampler doesn't seem to be converging
21:04 < klafka> i'm not sure wtf
21:04 < ybit> gnu radio, nice
21:05 < klafka> it's so simple idk wth https://gist.github.com/2792125
21:05 < JayDugger> plasma focus, nice.
21:06 < brownies> eh?
21:06 < ybit> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr whoah
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21:08 < ybit> http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR
21:08 < ybit> thanks superkuh
21:13 < JayDugger> "The Department of Veterans Affairs, through its Center for Innovation, will make TechShop memberships available to veterans."
21:13 < JayDugger> http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2012/05/24.aspx
21:14 < JayDugger> No more details than that, yet.
21:17 < JayDugger> https://www.va.gov/VAi2/TechShop.asp
21:18 < JayDugger> Punchline: "1,000 two-year memberships will be made available to Veterans" and an email address for signing-up.
21:34 < kanzure> do i qualify as a veteran? i've been to 'nam.
21:34 < JayDugger> Did you get a DD-214?
21:35 < kanzure> yeah i got a ddwrt router
21:35 < kanzure> what about it?
21:36 < JayDugger> Nope. I suspect the VA will stare blankly at the router. Bureaucrats love forms.
21:37 < JayDugger> I don't think your time in the 'nam counts. VA benefits sucked for those poor schlobs, coming in at the tail end of the conscription era.
21:38 < JayDugger> And you would have had to lie about your age to enlist, anyway. :)
21:39 < JayDugger> It does me no good, either. I suspect they'll want the applicants to live near a TechShop.
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23:26 < Coornail> don't throw stuff at me
23:27  * kanzure throws ybit at Coornail
23:33 < Coornail> why am I already up?
23:33 < Coornail> I'm going to have a hell of a hangover….
23:36 < Coornail> anyways, do you have a question for me?
23:40 < ybit> Coornail: what's your current project(s)?
23:41 < Coornail> uh… well I'm a programmer, and I do have a tons of project I start and never go back =)
23:41 < Coornail> I also ordered 120 small magnets
23:42 < ybit> why?
23:42 < Coornail> to stick it on my fingernails to see how it would feel an implant
23:42 < Coornail> ~to have
23:43 < Coornail> why I abandon projects?
23:43 < ybit> you should start playing with your hard drive afterward
23:43 < Coornail> good questio….
23:43 < ybit> yes, you read my mind
23:44 < Coornail> I think that I have tons of good ideas, but I know how painful a software project could be and I just loose interest
23:44 < ybit> i
23:44 < ybit> 'm sorry to hear that
23:44 < Coornail> it's better to help out in a bigger open-source project
23:45 < Coornail> but then you have to deal with a lot of people
23:45 < Coornail> so it's an another kind of a challenge
23:45 < ybit> big open source project aye... kde?
23:46 < ybit> it's way past my bedtime and i'm sore from kanzure manhandling me
23:46 < ybit> going to call it a night
23:46 < Coornail> have a good night then .o/
23:47  * ybit waves gn as well
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