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01:16 < OldCoder> Zzz
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02:38 < augur> ybit: dunno why
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05:27 < nmz787_> Anyone around?
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07:41 < kanzure> oh god the heat
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09:04 < kanzure> hrmm "Meth Labs and Dead Dogs: How the Founder of McAfee Antivirus Went on the Run"
09:05 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4027564 "Slightly off-topic, but isn't it interesting how often news like this is broken with MIT as the subject of the headline: "MIT builds…", "MIT discovers…", etc? In general, reports originating from universities tend to be billed as "Scientists discover…, "A report from Harvard suggests…", and the like."
09:10 < klafka> that was interesting
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10:05 < skorket> afternoon, all
10:31 < brownies> kanzure: well, it's MIT, that's why. if the University of Rednecksville was doing it all the time, then i guess they'd write headlines like that, too.
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10:32 < chris_99> i wonder if that makes your arm sore
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15:56 < chris_99> anyone read Radical Evolution
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15:58 < docl> not me
15:59 < docl> what's it about?
15:59 < chris_99> transhumanism
16:00 < kanzure> that doesn't sound true
16:00 < chris_99> what doesn't sound true
16:00 < kanzure> that a book called anything evolution would be about transhumanism?
16:00 < chris_99> why?
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16:01 < kanzure> usually when people talk about evolution they are not referring to human-designed things
16:01 < chris_99> can't see why it can't included human modification
16:01 < kanzure> evolution?
16:02 < n_bentha> i agree w/ u chris
16:02 < chris_99> yes kanzure
16:03 < docl> kanzure has a point. evolution means natural selection and stuff. using it for transhumanism is dilution.
16:03 < docl> although I find it very plausible someone wrote a book about transhumanism and named it something about evolution.
16:04 < klafka> evolution doesn't mean natural selection - natural selection is evolution applied to organic life
16:04 < docl> also, strictly speaking, evolution isn't restricted to natural stuff. I'm just saying that is what it normally means.
16:05 < chris_99> exactly klafka
16:05 < chris_99> you can have GAs etc. running on a computer
16:05 < kanzure> docl: more importantly.. i don't see what utility using the word "evolution" brings to that situation
16:06 < kanzure> besides marketing bogus crap. i guess there's that. :(
16:06 < docl> kanzure: makes the book more marketable...?
16:06 < docl> yeah
16:06 < yashgaroth> I always worry when people say 'evolution' about anything regarding humans since it leads to things like objectivism
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16:07 < docl> wait, what?
16:07 < docl> objectivism has what to do with human evolution?
16:07 < yashgaroth> exactly
16:07 < yashgaroth> it doesn't, but people often repurpose their view of what evolution means to try and justify that sort of thing
16:08  * kanzure looks
16:08 < kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Evolution-Promise-Enhancing-Bodies/dp/0385509650
16:08 < kanzure> "As you read this, we are engineering the next stage of human evolution. Through advances in genetic, robotic, information and nanotechnologies, we are altering our minds, our memories, our metabolisms, our personalities, our progeny–and perhaps our very souls."
16:08 < kanzure> oh geeze.
16:08 < docl> Far-mode-topia
16:09 < kanzure> so, not all humans are step-wise in sync with the rest of civilization with technologies
16:09 < kanzure> so i don't see how that's the next stage of 'human evolution'
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16:10 < chris_99> why would they have to be 'in sync'
16:10 < kanzure> chris_99: "the next stage"
16:10 < chris_99> ?
16:10 < kanzure> words have meanings
16:11 < chris_99> indeed they do
16:12 < kanzure> chris_99: are you still looking for things to read?
16:12 < chris_99> yup
16:12 < kanzure> i recommend this stuff: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
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16:13 < chris_99> ta
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19:42 < mako> "I have always found Searle’s logic in his celebrated Chinese Room Argument to be hopelessly tautological"
19:42 < mako> Heh, Kurtzweil agrees with me, how about that.
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19:45 < kanzure> "Patent trolling as a business, which IV has proven is viable, relies on a precondition: patent litigation must remain expensive. In specific, it must be prohibitively expensive to determine whether each and every asserted claim in each and every patent asserted against an "infringer" is valid. This determination can only be done via patent litigation. What happens if this precondition does not exist?"
19:45 < kanzure> usually those claims also include things like "and furthermore, the defendant's product violates this claim", so it would be hard to prove that all existing products don't do that, without individually evaluating them
19:45 < kanzure> them=those products
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21:08 < kanzure> superkuh: i am the cheating snaketron user
21:08 < superkuh> Bastard.
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22:06 < kanzure> hi nmz787
22:08 < nmz787> hi
22:09 < nmz787> i want minions to do my lab/workday bidding
22:10 < kanzure> indeed
22:10 < kanzure> the american dream
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