--- Log opened Wed Jun 06 00:00:32 2012 00:34 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:35 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:40 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@1.124.210.141] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-5-109.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@1.124.210.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:04 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:26 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:00 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:08 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:48 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@home.sharp.id.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:01 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@home.sharp.id.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:10 < chris_99> anyone ever scraped google scholar 04:17 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-93-5-109.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:19 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Quit: bll] 04:31 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:44 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37 <@kanzure> chris_99: yes 06:37 <@kanzure> chris_99: look at pyscholar on http://diyhpl.us/cgit 06:38 < chris_99> does that let you enter captchas? 06:55 <@kanzure> no, but i've implemented that before 06:55 <@kanzure> i suggest something like deathbycaptcha 06:56 < chris_99> i've written java/python scripts that grab bibtex from scholar before, but a friend was after something that allowed him to enter the captcha so he could get all the results 06:56 < chris_99> i'll tell him about that 06:58 <@kanzure> he might also be interested in http://phantomjs.org/ 06:58 <@kanzure> i should write a captcha breaking module for phantomjs that uses deathbycaptcha. hrm.. 06:58 < chris_99> ah interesting, i've used Selenium for that type of thing before 06:59 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:04 <@kanzure> i don't really like selenium 07:04 <@kanzure> also here's a reimplementation of phantomjs in python: 07:04 <@kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/pyphantomjs 07:18 -!- strages_work [~c6740838@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:45 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:46 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@c-98-201-2-186.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:55 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:08 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:42 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:2ced:7fe6:b96a:510d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:07 -!- Lucas_ [81317815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.120.21] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:13 < archels> Just watched The Fountain... 11:13 < archels> jolly good show! 11:23 < chris_99> the film? 11:28 < archels> yep 11:29 < chris_99> aha i enjoyed that 11:29 < chris_99> too 11:29 < archels> ah, it's from the same guy who wrote and directed Pi. 11:30 < archels> Same guy for the soundtrack as well (Clint Mansell). 11:31 < chris_99> and requiem for a dream isn't it 11:32 < chris_99> have you seen Primer? 11:33 < archels> yes on both 11:37 < delinquentme> what is that situation where you feel like you're surrounded by brilliant minds so you have to strive to come across as being as wildly intelligent as possible? 11:37 < delinquentme> something like the imposter syndrome? 11:37 <@kanzure> being a douchebag 11:37 <@kanzure> one upsmanship 11:38 <@kanzure> unconfidence 11:38 < delinquentme> im formulating a pet theory around this 11:38 < delinquentme> and I think most people will agree that theres tons of this in science 11:38 < delinquentme> but the issue happens when you're trying to talk across boundaries 11:38 <@kanzure> there's all sorts of cranky people in science 11:39 <@kanzure> what does "talk across boundaries" mean in a practical sense.. sending ranty emails to people who don't care? 11:39 <@kanzure> does that count? or not 11:41 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 < delinquentme_> just the way that language in science works 11:42 < delinquentme_> its serves as such a bullshit filter 11:42 < delinquentme_> " If they dont understand what im saying, I just dont have time to dumb it down " 11:42 < delinquentme_> i blasted this lady who posted something along these lines on a nature post 11:43 <@kanzure> yes, precise language is a bullshit filter. sure. 11:44 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:49 < delinquentme_> refusing to simplify complex concepts 11:49 < delinquentme_> is bullshit 11:50 < delinquentme_> its the reason science is constrained to academia 11:50 < delinquentme_> everyones out playing the I need to show how smart I am game 11:50 < delinquentme_> you know instead of letting your money talk 11:52 < chris_99> what about big pharma? 11:52 < chris_99> etc. 12:02 < delinquentme_> what about it? 12:03 <@kanzure> papers do simplify concepts. that's what they are there for. you should read them. 12:03 <@kanzure> i also don't see why you think money should be the signalling factor 12:06 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:2ced:7fe6:b96a:510d] has quit [Quit: jmil] 12:10 < delinquentme_> well its certainly less wide spread than individuals who can talk fast and use large words no? 12:10 < delinquentme_> in markets we trust .. therefore these individuals must be doing something more valuable 12:11 <@kanzure> "in markets we trust"? what? 12:11 <@kanzure> are you going off the deep end 12:12 <@kanzure> delinquentme_: i know it might sound to yourself like you're communicating, but i haven't received any implied meaning from your messages today 12:12 < delinquentme_> What im trying to convey is that theres lots of people who can speak eloquently 12:12 < delinquentme_> and use complex language 12:13 <@kanzure> ok. 12:13 < delinquentme_> however I think theres a smaller subset of individuals who both 1) know science and 2) make money with it 12:13 <@kanzure> complex, eloquent language is definitely a thing. 12:13 <@kanzure> i don't see how your "however" follows your original statement 12:13 < delinquentme_> im making the bridge between $$$ and knowing what is going on 12:14 <@kanzure> what does that mean? 12:15 < delinquentme_> those individuals who have made much money in science are those who can communicate effectively 12:15 < delinquentme_> and I'm willing to bet that individual could break it down nice and simple for a number of people 12:15 <@kanzure> ok what does that have to do with bridges 12:17 < delinquentme_> follow those individuals who have made $$$ in science ... do as they've done, because there are plenty of people who can talk intelligently but I think money speaks louder than loquaciousness 12:17 < delinquentme_> =] 12:18 <@kanzure> i don't know what you're going for.. meeting people with money? 12:19 < delinquentme_> more of a rule on how to locate people who are intelligent vrs those who talk the game 12:19 < delinquentme_> At least IMO if you're good at something you can make serious cash at it so listen to those people 12:21 <@kanzure> ok so your goal seems to be 'make lots of money'.. you could do that lots of ways. 12:21 <@kanzure> finding intelligent people is not that hard; in general this starts with talking with them, not stealing their bank account records 12:21 < delinquentme_> im saying use $$ as a filter to weed out those who talk intelligently 12:21 < chris_99> what?! 12:22 < delinquentme_> from those who are deeply competent 12:22 < chris_99> so you think only those who are really well off are intelligent, delinquentme_ ? 12:22 <@kanzure> chris_99: haha. yeah i'm as confused as you are. 12:22 < chris_99> heh 12:22 < delinquentme_> well venter vrs some other random talk-w-big-words kinda scientist 12:22 < delinquentme_> who are you listening to 12:23 < delinquentme_> ? 12:23 < chris_99> you're probably better looking at google scholar and finding the number of citations 12:23 < chris_99> for someone 12:23 < delinquentme_> sure if you're looking for a theoretical physicist 12:23 <@kanzure> delinquentme_: do you have someone in particular you are trying to vet? 12:23 < delinquentme_> kind of thinking out loud 12:24 <@kanzure> another way to vet people is to know the topic, and then talk with them. then you'll be able to tell if they are bullshitting you. 12:24 < delinquentme_> if you're looking for an engineer whos created market value and thats what you're trying to do 12:24 < delinquentme_> follow the $$$ 12:24 < delinquentme_> perhaps thats phrased better 12:30 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 <@kanzure> eh whatever. i don't think that's the best way to hire engineering talent. 12:34 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 -!- mensch [~mensch@blade71.cs.umb.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:48 -!- ziyadb [u4806@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjjhpygshaudoecz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vshtyhcmalqyihfn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49 -!- not_unoriginal [4caa56b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.170.86.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vsltdrpgnkhxolgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55 -!- ziyadb [u4806@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbgmapwcivdugwur] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- NonFish[ [lurking@adsl-108-85-7-121.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 -!- NonFish_ [~lurking@adsl-108-85-7-121.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00 -!- NonFish[ is now known as NonFish_ 13:06 -!- SDr [Silver@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- SDr [Silver@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:06 -!- SDr [Silver@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjvgmccqewuihrrt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xucqvlemwdirmxhq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 -!- mensch [~mensch@blade71.cs.umb.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49 <@kanzure> "I am a Mars Researcher (several simulations at Mars Society Desert and Arctic Stations) and Astrobiology student here in Phoenix AZ. The area that I am working on is Predictive GIS Modeling of Past Life on Mars and Mars Analogs Sites (my honors thesis as well)." 15:18 <@kanzure> gahh sorucceforge :( 15:18 <@kanzure> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlmap/files/ 15:19 <@kanzure> "Oh snap! We can't process this bitch!" 15:22 <@kanzure> ugh there's .svn files in their release .tar.gz 15:28 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 < atum> im still thinking about this h+ roadmap - seems like the best solution would be to create a race of h+ and put them in charge of everyone else 15:35 < atum> until the entire population is + 15:47 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:48 <@kanzure> atum: what do you mean "a race" ? 15:48 <@kanzure> like the olympics? 15:48 <@kanzure> and when you say "solution" what problem are you trying to solve? 15:48 < atum> like a genetically superior group of people to direct the rest of humanity 15:48 <@kanzure> what does "superior" mean in this context?? 15:49 <@kanzure> and, what does "direct" mean. 15:49 < atum> most humans are sort of.. idiots 15:49 < atum> im sure you have notices 15:49 <@kanzure> and? 15:49 < atum> many of them are bleating cattle 15:49 < atum> which become the tools of other humans 15:50 < atum> which generally buggers things up for everyone else 15:50 <@kanzure> atum: personally, i don't want to live under a hegemony 15:50 < atum> me neither, but theres a lot of dead weight in civilization 15:50 < atum> not the people 15:50 < atum> their ideas 15:51 < atum> religion and what not 15:51 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 < atum> thats a terrible burden on the future 15:57 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-132-106.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:58 < eudoxia> at first I thought you were implying we needed a race of genetically-engineered super humans to finish writing the roadmap 15:58 <@kanzure> eudoxia: definitely. 15:58 < atum> maybe the next one :P 15:58 < atum> i was thinking cyborgs 15:59 < atum> and eventually ai 15:59 <@kanzure> atum: i think your plan is bad because i don't want an ai overlord 15:59 < eudoxia> no love for uploads? 15:59 <@kanzure> i also don't want overlords of any kind 15:59 < atum> kanzure, its ok 15:59 <@kanzure> no it's not 15:59 <@kanzure> you're pure evil dude 15:59 < atum> lol 16:00 < atum> its obv that after 10k years humans are doing a terrible job at this civilization thing 16:00 < atum> at the very least we need to find the ;bleeting cattle; gene 16:00 <@kanzure> sorry, but this is the best civilization i'm aware of so far 16:01 < atum> the one that makes 20% of the population believe whatever people tell them 16:01 <@kanzure> you don't sound like a biologist, there's no "bleeting cattle gene" dude 16:01 < atum> get rid of that, then you wont need religion or governent telling what people to do 16:01 <@kanzure> i think you might be part of that 20% you're making up 16:01 < atum> well, id like to think that its genetic 16:01 <@kanzure> maybe you should study genetics first. 16:01 < eudoxia> I may be an ignorant fuck but I'm not sure everything is genetic 16:01 <@kanzure> before coming up with plans for world domination based on genetics. 16:01 < atum> ill leave that to the nerds 16:02 < yashgaroth> then please stop speculating about biology 16:02 < atum> ill come up with the world domination plans 16:02 < eudoxia> I mean there are only so many nucleotides you can encode things on 16:02 < atum> they can do the science 16:02 <@kanzure> your world domination plans suck 16:02 <@kanzure> take your job seriously 16:02 < atum> and yours are any better? 16:02 <@kanzure> yes 16:02 <@kanzure> i was going to drain the gulf of mexico and blow up the moon 16:03 < eudoxia> still better than transtopia 16:03 <@kanzure> atum: despite the commonly held belief, nobody has been able to show how the brain is "intelligent" 16:04 <@kanzure> it's not a well understood phenomena 16:04 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 16:04 <@kanzure> but there's more fundamental problems here that i am having trouble pointing out to you 16:04 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-69-249-188-134.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:05 <@kanzure> like, for instance, you claim that everyone is an idiot, but your plans aren't entirely coherent (i.e. you fall subject to your own casted net) 16:07 < atum> you have seen the average human 16:07 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:07 < chris_99> how would you quantify intelligence atum? 16:07 < atum> ? 16:08 < atum> maybe im wrong but i dont think i mentioned intelligence specifically 16:08 <@kanzure> 15:49 < atum> most humans are sort of.. idiots 16:09 < atum> you can take that however you like 16:09 < atum> are they here trying to find the future? or are they watching jersey shore 16:09 <@kanzure> why are you watching jersey shore 16:09 < atum> im not 16:10 < atum> im here 16:10 <@kanzure> ok. then stop doing that. 16:10 <@kanzure> i mean, since you're not doing it, it seems like a pointless thing to start doing. 16:10 < atum> exactly 16:10 <@kanzure> so, i wouldn't recommend jersey shore. 16:10 <@kanzure> ok. so what's your problem then ? 16:10 < atum> idk, whats your problem 16:10 < atum> whyd you get into h+ 16:10 <@kanzure> you seem to have a jersey shore addiction :P 16:10 < atum> some kind of disorder or something 16:10 < atum> lol ive never seen it 16:10 <@kanzure> i think my videos speak for me 16:11 < atum> tl;dw 16:11 < atum> can you summerise 16:11 -!- atum was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [atum] 16:11 <@kanzure> tl;didn't-kick-you oh wait yes i did 16:11 <@kanzure> we sure do attract craziesi n here. 16:11 <@kanzure> *in here. 16:12 < strangewarp> I'm reminded of this one guy I know, who constantly talks about how he wants to become world dictator, solely to enact his banal opulent desires - because he earnestly believes that is the best possible world that he could seize 16:12 <@kanzure> i wonder if, on average, we attract more crazies than other communities 16:12 -!- atum [~adam@75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 <@kanzure> strangewarp: i think he's right (the best possible world that he could control is the one where he is in control) 16:12 < strangewarp> in that sense, of course 16:12 -!- NonFish[ [~lurking@adsl-108-85-7-121.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 < atum> i never took myself out of the loop 16:12 < atum> silly 16:13 < eudoxia> oh well at least the world domination crazies are less annoying than the religion crazies 16:13 < atum> i suggested we need to create better people 16:13 < eudoxia> oh god why do h+ religions exist 16:13 < atum> and then let them use logic to decide a better course of civilization 16:13 <@kanzure> eudoxia: i used to think it was because it was to troll me 16:13 <@kanzure> eudoxia: unfortunately, i was wrong 16:13 < atum> thats all 16:13 <@kanzure> atum: i don't think any one person should control the direction of civilization 16:13 < atum> becaue im dissappointed with the current one- which is my problem 16:13 <@kanzure> the illusion of control is tremendous 16:13 < atum> no one person no 16:13 <@kanzure> atum: ok if you are disappointed then go make another one 16:13 < eudoxia> technically he said them 16:14 < atum> YES! 16:14 <@kanzure> atum: seriously, go make another one if you are sad with this one 16:14 < atum> a new civilization 16:14 <@kanzure> atum: but if you try to become my master, i'll probably murder you 16:14 < atum> thats the point 16:14 < atum> thats the kind of cromagnum behaviour that might get weeded out 16:15 < atum> oh.. you;r one of those conspiracy people 16:15 < atum> nm 16:15 <@kanzure> there can be more than one civilization, you know. 16:15 < atum> ill just go get some coffee 16:15 <@kanzure> no, i'm not a particularly paranoid person. 16:16 -!- NonFish_ [lurking@adsl-108-85-7-121.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16 -!- NonFish[ is now known as NonFish_ 16:17 -!- StanSmity [4b690026@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.105.0.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 < strangewarp> I'm going to pull a page from the dreaded Yudkowsky, and advise atum that so far as his solution to the global stupidity problem, he has narrowed down his hypothesis-space prematurely 16:18 < eudoxia> I was going to advise him to go there since SIAI always seemed like a world-domination-wannabe's group 16:19 < eudoxia> "hurr durr we're here to win" 16:19 < atum> isnt it possible there is a generic cure for religion? or at least a vaccine from preventing further generations from being infected 16:19 < yashgaroth> no 16:19 < atum> or make a drug like they give the alkies 16:19 < eudoxia> but that's operating under the assumption that they take themselves seriously... 16:19 < atum> so they cant get drunk or it makes them sixk 16:19 < chris_99> look @ memetics atum 16:19 <@kanzure> chris_99: he'll get carried away and start making up more stuff 16:20 < atum> mmm, well id like to think it would be easy to reverse the damage with memetics 16:20 <@kanzure> i'm not sure religion is actually damage 16:20 <@kanzure> in many cases, some of the best math and science has been by religious people 16:21 < strangewarp> atum: Nope, even if you're a reductionist materialist atheist who thrives on objectivity, you can still be given some religious tendencies by the Big Universe question. Also, there is probably not a genetic way to prevent religion, and that that question had to be asked at all indicates you are working on bad information, somewhere 16:21 < atum> kanzure, thats no excuse 16:21 < eudoxia> hey, guys, maybe memetics turns out to be total bunk 16:21 <@kanzure> eudoxia: for sure 16:21 <@kanzure> eudoxia: but what about my phd in 4chanstudies!!!11one 16:21 -!- NonFish[ [~lurking@adsl-108-85-7-121.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 < eudoxia> frankly I don't know why so many people are so focused on religion 16:23 < atum> its in the way of progress.. look at the middle east,. getting religion would tidy that area up and bring it into the 19th century 16:23 < atum> people in afganistan might even adopt what we call in the west a ;door' 16:23 < eudoxia> but even then, surely religion is a symptom of some underlying thing, as opposed to a cause 16:23 <@kanzure> eudoxia: i blame reddit 16:23 < strangewarp> these do seem like reddit people lately, don't they? 16:24 <@kanzure> there are millions of these people just angry about religion and with all these misunderstandings about science or transhumanism 16:24 <@kanzure> it's not my job to clean up the mess 16:24 <@kanzure> or, rather, /that/ particular mess 16:25 -!- NonFish_ [~lurking@adsl-108-85-7-121.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:25 -!- NonFish[ is now known as NonFish_ 16:27 < eudoxia> atum: I should warn you that traditionally, attempts to create a transhuman civilization have failed 16:27 < eudoxia> historically being the transtopia island project nonsense 16:28 < eudoxia> i mean 'traditionally' 16:28 < atum> its not like things are getting any better for the current civilization 16:28 < atum> so any change might be a good thing 16:30 < eudoxia> I was going to dispute that but then I saw the 'might', so I guess that's fair 16:30 < eudoxia> just, whatever, as long as you don't form a transhuman religion or try to install the homo superior ruling class 16:30 <@kanzure> eudoxia: that sounds like a good rule in general 16:31 <@kanzure> No master races. 16:31 < eudoxia> thanks kanz 16:31 <@kanzure> no world hegemonies 16:31 < eudoxia> no transhuman religions 16:31 < atum> no gods no masters! 16:31 <@kanzure> huh? you were just arguing for a "genetically superior master race" a few minutes ago 16:31 < strangewarp> atum: Be wary; because most people are not transhumanists, they see the doomy tendencies of this decade as the start of what they believe to have always been an inevitable descent into barbarism and apocalypse. And the mood and timbre of the resulting media and conversations is serving to impact even transhumanists. 16:31 <@kanzure> you're inconsistent atum. 16:33 < atum> maybe not. i was thinking of humanity passing through a h+ filter and coming out the otherside without the desire to be ruled, or rule each other 16:33 < atum> which i see as the overall flaw in the currenct civliziation 16:34 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-69-249-188-134.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:39 < chris_99> so you want to brainwash people? 16:50 < atum> no, i want to undo brainwashing 16:50 < atum> braincleaning 16:50 < atum> rebraining 16:50 < atum> something 16:52 < yashgaroth> brain...'washing', perhaps 16:53 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: you're a genius. 16:54 < yashgaroth> I made it up myself, has a nice ring to it 16:57 < chris_99> hehe 17:00 < atum> i suppose you are correct, but it is preferable to just killing them 17:01 < atum> kinder gentler futures all around 17:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:32 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04 -!- strages_work [~c6740838@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Session timeout)] 18:37 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-132-106.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:47 -!- StanSmity [4b690026@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.105.0.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:09 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:09 < docl> I bet there's low tech ways to do that. specially designed video games maybe. 19:11 < docl> but even so... if you're looking for moral high ground it's gonna be very hard to find. anything powerful enough to destroy religion is probably going to be unethical to use. 19:14 <@kanzure> docl: in general, i would prefer that he doesn't get supreme authority to edit my brain :p 19:16 < docl> welll yeeah 19:31 -!- panax [~panax@72.185.51.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:32 -!- panax [~panax@72.185.51.10] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:34 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:40 <@kanzure> "As an example, using translate3d to move an element offscreen is tremendously faster than setting its display to 'none'" 19:41 <@kanzure> mobile development is so fucked up. 19:42 <@kanzure> http://friendsdontletfriendsjqm.tumblr.com/ 19:46 < atum> docl, morality is for dorks 19:52 < atum> what is it that the %1 have? is it just money? or are they the 'alphas' of society 19:52 < atum> how can we tap into that for the everyman 19:53 <@kanzure> what do you mean 1%? 19:53 <@kanzure> what measurement are you talking about 19:53 < atum> nm, ttyl 19:58 < strangewarp> "morality" tends to be a meaningless term; but I'm not convinced violent cognitive revolution is anywhere near required to accomplish transhuman projects 19:59 < strangewarp> Maybe if you assume the entire world is actively trying to be Iran or Mississippi, then sure 20:00 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 < atum> kanzure, lets make 'tigerblood' and give humans 'adonis dna' 20:08 < atum> is what i ment by 1%, a small fraction of the population 20:09 < yashgaroth> wtf 20:10 < atum> oh you guys are all sciency 20:10 < atum> can i put xanax in my coffee 20:11 < yashgaroth> feel free 20:11 < atum> werd 20:17 < strangewarp> atum: I think transhuman seperatism is a pretty inoffensive idea, but militarist transhuman seperatism based on wonky dogma in particular could go pretty spectacularly badly.. 20:18 < strangewarp> Do note, I am trying to parse the weird things you're saying in a manner that gives you the benefit of the doubt, here 20:23 < atum> cool, me too 20:24 <@kanzure> this has been going south all night 20:24 < atum> i started off by saying create a group of h+ that might be above the usual human failings 20:24 <@kanzure> atum: how about you go read 'the molecular genetics of the cell' 20:24 < atum> and they can use logic to help guide civilization 20:24 < atum> sounds interesting 20:24 <@kanzure> you should go read things, so you can be less wron-- oh shit 20:25 < atum> reading is kind of boring though 20:25 < atum> tbh 20:25 < yashgaroth> well I'm sure you'll be very useful then 20:25 <@kanzure> fff 20:25 <@kanzure> atum: hire a hooker to give you a blow job for every paper you read 20:25 < atum> i always feel like i should be doing something productive 20:25 <@kanzure> you'll be winning nobel prizes in no time 20:25 < atum> instead of sitting on my ass with my nose in a book 20:25 < atum> oh man 20:26 < atum> apparently they give the peace price to anyone 20:26 < atum> kissinger? obama? 20:26 < atum> the fuck 20:26 <@kanzure> those aren't "just anyone" 20:28 < atum> http://thepiratebay.se/search/the%20molecular%20genetics%20of%20the%20cell/0/99/0 20:28 < atum> not showing anything 20:28 < atum> you got a better link? 20:28 <@kanzure> i dunno, read shit in here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ 20:31 < atum> kanzure, is that the meaning of your life- to win some kind of prize 20:32 <@kanzure> what?? no of course not 20:32 <@kanzure> what the fuck man 20:32 < atum> tomorrow is my last day of highschool, and i dont have any real direction. currently im looking into becoming a rapper 20:32 < jrayhawk> unless that prize is hookers 20:32 < atum> kanzure> you'll be winning nobel prizes in no time 20:33 <@kanzure> that message contained very high levels of sarcasm 20:33 <@kanzure> and was only meant in the context of my previous message about hookers 20:34 < atum> o i c 20:34 < atum> i must have ignored that line 20:35 < yashgaroth> even without that line as context it was still pretty obvious 20:36 < strangewarp> Rapping, hmm 20:37 < strangewarp> I wanted to be a rapper in my teens, and in hindsight it was a ridiculous decision - of course, I'm back in music now, just not rap.. 20:38 <@kanzure> strangewarp: this has been stuck in my head for the past week.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai1yagSvUUI 20:39 * strangewarp clicks 20:39 < strangewarp> ha! I remember that skit 20:51 < atum> whats different between rappping being rediculous and being into music now 20:51 < atum> what even that means 20:52 < strangewarp> Rap can be pretty interesing - it isn't being into it that's ridiculous, it's aspiring to be a successful rap musician. Unless of course you're an extremely talented freestyle poet, or particularly good with a hostile audience, in which case you may have a shot.. 20:53 < atum> hey 20:53 < atum> maybe... 20:55 < atum> really i just use rap as an euphenism for production, but I dont figure the avg person would know what that means 20:55 < atum> my fault for forgetting im not around avg ppl 20:55 < atum> amirite 20:55 <@kanzure> are you yenatch 20:56 < strangewarp> Ah, production can be pretty lucrative, but I don't know much about the business end of it 20:56 < jrayhawk> that's right; we're much better at self-aggrandizing than normal people 20:56 < atum> i didnt even know there were real transhumanists until last month or so 20:57 <@kanzure> you seem to think it's a group of people who want to take over the human race 20:57 <@kanzure> i assure you that this observation is wrong 20:57 < atum> no 20:58 <@kanzure> and/or if there are people that really want to do that, they probably self-organize in some other way (or possibly not at all) 20:58 < atum> you misunderstood this from the beginning 20:58 < atum> I want to create a group of people to take over the world 20:58 < atum> that are better then I 20:58 < atum> more qualified than anyone 20:58 <@kanzure> how is that not hegemony? 20:58 < atum> let them decide 20:58 < atum> who knows 20:58 < atum> whats best 20:59 < atum> i dont want to standardize the population 20:59 < strangewarp> It does not require superior brains to arrive at objective facts, you know 20:59 < atum> or iron out human differences 20:59 < atum> no 20:59 < atum> but its like chess 21:00 < atum> you have to think as many possible moves ahead 21:00 < atum> or azamov's 'psychohistory' 21:00 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-7-0.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 <@kanzure> atum: psychohistory has nothing to do with ruling the wrld 21:02 < atum> tell me more 21:02 < eudoxia> this shit is still going on 21:03 <@kanzure> eudoxia: i blame me 21:03 < yashgaroth> I should've used those ops yesterday 21:05 < strangewarp> When I was in my teens, I also wanted to create a vanguard of enlightened elites who would change the world, by force if need be 21:05 < strangewarp> Luckily, I based it all on silly mysticism, and I realized my mistake before I did anything too ridiculous 21:05 < yashgaroth> lenin? 21:05 < yashgaroth> oh 21:05 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: no, we don't have lenin in this channel 21:06 <@kanzure> i asked him once, but he said something incomprehensible in russian 21:06 <@kanzure> erm, wait 21:06 <@kanzure> maybe that was just vladimir leninstov.. 21:07 < strangewarp> It was a double mistake really; the mistake of mysticism plus the mistake of the warlike vanguard 21:11 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-7-0.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:11 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:13 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13 < strangewarp> It seems H+ is becoming a peaceful vanguard movement, by default... and that's probably okay 21:15 <@kanzure> what? 21:15 < strangewarp> hmm.. sorry, meaningless observation 21:15 <@kanzure> it seems to be "people trying to stop everyone else from misinterpreting what it means" rather than "people doing transhumanist projects" 21:21 < strangewarp> I guess labels do escape, to be re-used differently, for better or worse (usually worse) 21:26 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-36-79.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19 -!- nathaniel_ [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 -!- nathaniel_ is now known as nathaniel 23:35 <@kanzure> http://www.neme-s.org/Shaper%20Books/Machine%20Shop%20Series/Machine%20Shop%20Mathematics.pdf 23:36 <@kanzure> damn what a poorly scanned book 23:37 <@kanzure> http://www.neme-s.org/Shaper%20Books/Machine%20Shop%20Series/Machine%20Shop%20Operations.pdf --- Log closed Thu Jun 07 00:00:33 2012