--- Log opened Thu Jun 07 00:00:33 2012 00:29 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@1.137.94.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- qnm_ [~robsharp@1.137.94.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:28 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:48 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:52 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:52 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:01 < Burninate> Let the vanguard of the proletariat awaken!!! And camp out in urban parks!!! 02:18 < Burninate> HALF MAN!! HALF MAN!! 02:19 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:28 < strangewarp> ha 02:29 < strangewarp> The proletariat is going to need some good goddanged luck if they want to catch a break before practically post-scarce resources are the norm 02:29 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:32 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:43 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 < Utopiah> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428099/psychedelic-drug-research-and-the-data-mining/ 03:52 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris@87.115.63.209] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris@87.115.63.209] has quit [Changing host] 04:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 <@kanzure> hmm. 04:24 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25 -!- AdrianG [~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:03 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-36-79.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:13 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:25 < delinquentme> Zeolite thermal storage retains heat indefinitely, absorbs four times more heat than water 05:25 < delinquentme> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/130523-zeolite-thermal-storage-retains-heat-indefinitely-absorbs-four-times-more-heat-than-water 05:26 <@kanzure> ok. 06:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:27 <@kanzure> http://www.bis.doc.gov/policiesandregulations/ear/index.htm 06:27 <@kanzure> special materials and related equipment, chemicals, and microorganisms: http://www.bis.doc.gov/policiesandregulations/ear/ccl1.pdf 06:29 <@kanzure> what is See ECCN 1E002.g for control libraries 06:29 <@kanzure> hrm 06:30 <@kanzure> "``Technology'' for the ``development'' or ``production'' of polybenzothiazoles or polybenzoxazoles" 06:30 <@kanzure> "``Technology'' for the ``production'' of aromatic polyamide fibers" 06:30 <@kanzure> "`Libraries' (parametric technical databases) specially designed or modified to enable equipment to perform the functions of equipment controlled under 1A004.c or 1A004.d" 06:30 <@kanzure> "Technical Note: For the purpose of 1E002.g, `library' (parametric technical database) means a collection of technical information, reference to which may enhance the performance of relevant equipment or systems" 06:31 <@kanzure> huh, hazmat suits are on the export control list? 06:33 <@kanzure> heh i like how they have to explicitly list depleted uranium 06:35 <@kanzure> "Filament winding machines, of which the motions for positioning, wrappig and winding fibers are coordinated and programmed in three or more 'primary servo positioning' axes, specifically designed for the manufacture of 'composite' structures or laminates, from 'fibrous or filamentary materials';" 06:35 <@kanzure> "Tape laying machines, of which the motions for positioning and laying tape or sheets are coordinated and programmed in five or more 'primary servo positioning' axes" 06:35 <@kanzure> "Multidirectional, multidimensional weaving machines or interlacing machines" 06:36 <@kanzure> "Equipment for the chemical vapor deposition of elements or compounds, on heated filamentary substrates, to manufacture silicon carbide fibers" 06:36 <@kanzure> "x-ray tomography systems for three dimensional defect inspection" whaaat 06:37 <@kanzure> "Numerically controlled ultrasonic testing machines of which the motions for positioning transmitters and receivers are simultaneously coordinated and programmed in four or more axes to follow the three dimensional contours of the component under inspection" 06:41 -!- strages_work [~c6740838@dev.throwthemind.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 <@kanzure> "Software for process control that is specifically configured to control or initiate 'production' of chemicals controlled by 1C350." 06:48 <@kanzure> "Software specially designed for industrial process control hardware/systems controlled by 1B999 (like: particle accelerators, industrial process control hardware/systems designed for power industries; equipment for the production of structural composites)" 06:49 <@kanzure> "'Technology' for the 'development' or 'production' of polybenzothiazoles or polybenzoxazoles" 06:50 -!- atum [~adam@75.105.14.63] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53 <@kanzure> "Digital signal processors.. operating at a clock frequency exceeding 40 MHz." 06:54 <@kanzure> "Analog-to-Digital converters with.. a reslution of more than 14 bits with an output rate greater than 20 million words per second" 06:56 < chris_99> haha 06:56 <@kanzure> "Custom integrated circuits for which the function is unknown, or the control status of the equipment in which htei ntegrated circuits will be used is unknown to the manufacturer, having any of the following: more than 1500 terminals; a typical base gate propagation delay time of less than 0.02 ns; an operating frequency exceeding 3 GHz; " 06:56 < chris_99> so all that stuff is export restricted? 06:58 <@kanzure> yes 06:58 <@kanzure> "Non-modular analog oscilloscopes having a bandwidth of 1 GHz or greater" 06:59 <@kanzure> "Polygraphs, fingerprint analyzers; automated fingerprint and identification retrieval systems; psychological stress analysis equipment; electronic monitoring restraint devices" 07:00 <@kanzure> mass spectrometers :( 07:01 <@kanzure> "All flash x-ray machines and components of pulsed power systems designed thereof, including Marx generators, high power pulse shaping networks, high voltage capacitors, and triggers" 07:02 <@kanzure> "Equipment for the manufacturing of semiconductor devices or materials, specifically: equipment designed for epitaxial growth; equipment capable of producing a layer of any material other than silicon with a thickness uniform to less than +- 2.5% across a distance of 77 mm or more" 07:02 <@kanzure> "... metal organic chemical vapor deposition reactors, designed for compound semiconductor crystal growth" 07:02 <@kanzure> "... molecular beam epitaxial growth equipment using gas or solid sources" 07:03 <@kanzure> ".. equipment designed for ion implanation having any of the following: beam energy exceeding 1MeV; direct write capability" 07:03 <@kanzure> ".. aisotropic plasma dry etching equipment" 07:03 <@kanzure> *anisotropic 07:03 <@kanzure> "plasma enhanced chemical vapor deposition" 07:04 <@kanzure> ".. automatic loading multi-chamber central wafer handling systems" 07:04 <@kanzure> oh weird. "does not control automatic robotic wafer handling systems specially designed for parallel wafer processing" 07:05 <@kanzure> "... Lithography equipment as follows: photo-optical or step-and-scan or expose-step-repeat with: a light source wavelength shorter than 245 nm; or capable of producing a minimum resolvable feature size (MRF) of 95 nm or less"; imprint lithography equipment capable of production features of 95 nm or less" 07:06 <@kanzure> ".. equipment specially designed for mask making or semiconductor device processing using direct wiriting methods, having all of the following: deflected focused electron beam; a spot size smaller than 0.2 microns; multi-layer masks with a phase shift layer; " 07:07 <@kanzure> "Equipment specially designed for the manufacture of electron tubes"; equipment to build.. crystal pullers" 07:08 -!- gl00m [~adam@75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:09 <@kanzure> "electron beam systems .. with a spot size of less than 3 micrometers" 07:09 <@kanzure> oh, "or a positioning accuracy less than 1 micrometers" 07:09 <@kanzure> "Finished masks or reticles for the production of unembargoed integrated circuits" whaaat 07:11 < ParahSailin> what 07:12 <@kanzure> "All resists designed for use with electron beams or ion beams, with a sensitivity of 0.01 microcoulomb/mm^2 or better" 07:12 <@kanzure> "All resists designed for use with X-rays, with a sensitivity of 2.5 mJ/mm^2 or better" 07:12 <@kanzure> this is basically a list of "things that can't be open source hardware" 07:12 <@kanzure> (well, other than patent issues) 07:12 < gl00m> its a brave new world 07:13 <@kanzure> what? 07:13 <@kanzure> no it's not, go away 07:13 < ParahSailin> as i posted before, the only way for nanoimprint patterning to be developed might be open hardware 07:13 < chris_99> thank god i don't live in the US 07:13 <@kanzure> "Physics-basd simulation software specifically designed for the development of lithographic, etching or deposition processes for translating masking patterns into specific topographical patterns in conductors, dielectrics or semiconductor materials" 07:13 -!- StanSmith [4b690026@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.105.0.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:15 <@kanzure> ".. A vector processing unit.. designed to perform more than two 64-bit or larger floating point operation results per cycle" bah, let's just outlaw math 07:18 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19 <@kanzure> doh 07:19 <@kanzure> they have an index here: 07:19 <@kanzure> http://www.bis.doc.gov/policiesandregulations/ear/ccl_index.pdf 07:19 <@kanzure> clean room filters? 07:19 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:20 <@kanzure> submersible vehicles :( 07:20 <@kanzure> 'automatic drug injection systems' 07:21 < gl00m> sounds like time to open a black market for some of this stuff then 07:22 < gl00m> equipmentleaks 07:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:31 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:36 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13B542.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13B542.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 <@kanzure> http://homes.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/~smikula/blockface/ 09:25 <@kanzure> Whole-Brain Ultrastructural Mapping 09:25 <@kanzure> "We are mapping the whole mouse brain ultrastructurally using serial blockface electron microscopy. Stay tuned! 09:25 <@kanzure> Example data 09:25 <@kanzure> This is a whole-brain blockface image from the mouse brain taken at 80 nm pixel size" 09:25 <@kanzure> stalk: brainmaps@gmail.com 09:26 <@kanzure> google maps should host datasets like this. 09:27 < chris_99> ec2 has some nice datasets 09:28 < chris_99> er s3 i guess 09:39 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40 <@kanzure> http://henryschwarz.blogspot.com/2012/06/black-hatted.html 09:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:44 <@kanzure> "Barnaby chose my company's ATM arbitrarily, it was just the most conveniently available to purchase on the web and be delivered to his home. Note to our salespeople: for security purposes, please make it more difficult to purchase our product" 09:45 <@kanzure> pfft. 09:45 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-24-63-135-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:46 <@kanzure> "The enormous benefit is that our ATM is now significantly more secure, because we didn't just plug the hole that Barnaby discovered, but we took our defense a thousand times further, and implemented a comprehensive security scheme which includes the cryptographic verification of all files as they are installed and as they are executed." 09:49 < Mokbortolan_1> translation: We made the PIN requirement 5 characters! 10:16 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:18 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 10:19 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:23 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 10:41 < delinquentme> anyone here able to make a reccommendation for a cheap desktop thatll run windows looking for a small form factor with a dual core ~ 2 ghz and external video card 10:45 < Mokbortolan_1> external video card? 10:45 < chris_99> usb video? 10:45 < Mokbortolan_1> or, do you mean, PCI-e video 10:46 < Mariu> AGP ? 10:46 < Mokbortolan_1> there are external video cards 10:46 < Mokbortolan_1> AGP is old news 10:46 < Mariu> I know 10:46 < Mariu> PCI-e does not sound cheap 10:50 < Mokbortolan_1> it's the standard nowadays 10:50 < Mokbortolan_1> you'd be hard pressed to find new equipment that has either AGP or PCI 10:50 < Mokbortolan_1> well, maybe a few PCI ports 10:51 < Mokbortolan_1> or the combo ports 10:51 < Mokbortolan_1> delinquentme: I suggest checking out dell's outlet 10:51 < Mokbortolan_1> or building your own 10:51 < Mokbortolan_1> it's not that hard 10:52 <@kanzure> i think my phone counts 10:52 <@kanzure> 2 GHz 10:53 < chris_99> your phone is 2GHz?! 10:53 <@kanzure> it depends on how you count all the cores 10:53 < Mokbortolan_1> mine's dual 1.2 10:53 < Mokbortolan_1> with an 8-core GPU! :p 10:53 < chris_99> you can't sum GHz's 10:53 < chris_99> imo 10:54 <@kanzure> i think i have at least three ghz in my pocket right now (four phones) 10:54 < Mokbortolan_1> chris_99: it depends on who you're talking to 10:54 < chris_99> wrt CPU cores 10:54 < chris_99> i meant 10:54 < Mokbortolan_1> for people who don't understand the difference between parallel and serial processing, go ahead and combine the GHz to make them feel better 10:55 < chris_99> heh, that's the problem Mokbortolan_1 10:55 < Mokbortolan_1> "With four motors in my car, I can go four times as fast!" 10:55 < Mokbortolan_1> err, engines 10:56 < chris_99> alas i know nothing about car engines ;) 10:58 < Mokbortolan_1> "If I bolt together these AMC Gremlins, the combined top speed is 160mph!" 10:58 < Mokbortolan_1> "If I put four together, I can go 320mph!" 10:59 < chris_99> heh 11:00 <@kanzure> nevertheless: my phone is a monster 11:00 < Mokbortolan_1> what's it got in it, tegra 2? 11:00 < chris_99> probably better than my laptop 11:00 < chris_99> which is currently falling to bits 11:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-136-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:06 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:31 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31 < archels> http://turingbirds.com/temp/Approaching_a_state_shift_in_Earths_biosphere_-_Nature_2012.PDF 11:33 < chris_99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis 11:36 < chris_99> the earth is a cybernetic system! 11:37 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:45 -!- Guest74705 is now known as poptire 11:50 < jrayhawk> http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/img/hovel/20120512_008.jpg external PCIe video card 11:51 < archels> mother of god. 11:51 < gl00m> i wasnt far from somethign like that at one point 11:52 < gl00m> i had done away with the case all together and screwed the mobo to a post in the closet wall 11:52 < gl00m> and ran cables through the drywall to the other side 11:52 < jrayhawk> i am looking forward to thunderbolt 11:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-136-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53 < gl00m> and ive got an old token ring network i thought about setting up, but then i realised im not a dork, so there was no sense doing all of that work just to feed my ego 12:02 < archels> http://elitedaily.com/elite/2012/high-speed-travel-tubes-ny-beijing-2-hours/ 12:02 < gl00m> oh i thought of a good slogan for the channel 12:03 < gl00m> "civilizatoin has fallen off a cliff, we're trying to build wings on the way down' 12:03 < archels> wrong channel 12:07 <@kanzure> AAAS/FBI joint findings paper 12:07 <@kanzure> http://listserv.aaas.org/pipermail/wspa/attachments/20120424/2f8b73fd/attachment-0001.pdf 12:24 -!- calango [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:33 <@kanzure> beep boop 12:50 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04 < Utopiah> The Age of Plastic at The Smithsonian live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UtwaNlrkFo 13:05 < Utopiah> (but now on art stuff) 13:11 -!- strages_work [~c6740838@dev.throwthemind.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 13:12 -!- calango [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: take a look at that aaas.org doc 13:18 < yashgaroth> Agent You? was he just transferred off diybio specifically? 13:18 <@kanzure> i think it was just a transfer to washington, i think he's still involved somehow 13:34 < yashgaroth> I love the scenario at the end "The Principal Investigator was Professor Rhea Searcher" "The post-doctoral fellow was Mandip. He was from a foreign country" 13:35 < yashgaroth> anyway it seems pretty standard...a few complaints about regulatory paperwork, 'more transparency', and happily they are concerned with ELF/ALF assholes 13:41 <@kanzure> hahaha mandip 13:42 < yashgaroth> gee I wonder which fictional country he's from 13:42 <@kanzure> "foreign guy in molecular biology lab" is so cliche. 13:42 < yashgaroth> foreign post-doc, no less 13:45 < yashgaroth> anyway they only mentioned amateur bio once, and that was wrt 'outreach', so that's good at least 13:45 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: did you read the diybio sections from the pcsbi reports? 13:46 < yashgaroth> link? 13:47 < yashgaroth> oh...well if they didn't replace all the people bush put in there, I don't wanna read it 13:47 <@kanzure> they did 13:48 < yashgaroth> I'll do a read-through then 13:48 <@kanzure> http://bioethics.gov/documents/synthetic-biology/PCSBI-Synthetic-Biology-Report-12-16-10.pdf 13:52 <@kanzure> note the presence of the muhammad ali family in that group :p 13:55 < yashgaroth> "Department of medicine 13:55 < yashgaroth> and Divinity School" heh 14:02 <@kanzure> my doctorate is blessed by the holy pope, eat me 14:08 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:15 < yashgaroth> seems far more positive about diybio than I expected 14:18 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: because we fought for that 14:18 <@kanzure> we had people show up to their hearings and give presentations 14:19 < yashgaroth> ah yes, jason bobe and I suppose you can count rob carlson 14:20 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-86-83.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 <@kanzure> eh. i guess. that list looks extremely unimpressive actually. 14:20 < yashgaroth> oh and drew endy, he may count as well but 14:23 -!- SDr [Silver@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [] 14:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-86-83.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:55 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:56 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:57 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@safekick-americas-2.consolidated.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 15:28 -!- gl00m [~adam@75.105.14.63] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29 -!- StanSmith [4b690026@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.105.0.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:50 -!- gl00m [~adam@75.105.14.63] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- NonFish[ [lurking@108.85.7.121] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:25 -!- NonFish_ [~lurking@adsl-108-85-7-121.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:25 -!- NonFish[ is now known as NonFish_ 16:26 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:39 -!- _Sketch_ [~Sketch@71-81-148-153.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 < _Sketch_> Are torsional carbon nanotube muscles the only non-biological kind of muscle-like fibre yet produced? 16:41 < _Sketch_> Although maybe 'non-biological' is the wrong word. Are carbon nanotubes attacked by any common organism? 16:42 <@kanzure> deh? why not just use steppers 16:42 < yashgaroth> electroactive polymers were the original artificial muscles 16:43 < _Sketch_> Steppers could possibly work. I'm knowledge-gathering at this point. 16:44 -!- chris_99 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45 < yashgaroth> I don't think any known organisms specifically degrade nanotubes, or any other form of graphene 16:53 < ParahSailin> it takes singlet oxygen or greater to attach graphene 16:53 < ParahSailin> isnt really any lifeform that can produce those on demand 16:55 < yashgaroth> I'm sure if there was enough graphene laying around to be a viable food source, we'd see a mechanism by now...but that would need a few million years to evolve 16:56 < ParahSailin> er not singlet oxygen, something more oxidizing than that 16:56 < ParahSailin> well theres a lot of graphite in the ground 16:56 < ParahSailin> but theres also not much oxygen in the ground 16:57 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:58 < yashgaroth> yeah, if there was we wouldn't have any coal left by now 16:59 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:07 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@c-98-201-2-186.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:14 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:15 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:25 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- SDr [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- SDr [SDr@cpc10-dals18-2-0-cust809.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:26 -!- SDr [SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:38 -!- strages_shop [~strages@256.makerslocal.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:52 -!- _F7_ [~forrestfl@c-98-201-2-186.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 19:25 -!- ThomasEgi_ [~thomas@p5B13AF37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00 -!- SolG [Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- _sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:06 -!- klafka1 [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:09 < klafka1> hey 20:31 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:47 -!- Jora [~Jora@24-196-83-11.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:47 -!- Jora [~Jora@24-196-83-11.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:47 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- joshcryer [~g@c-75-70-40-195.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- joshcryer [~g@c-75-70-40-195.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:50 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 -!- klafka1 [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:06 -!- klafka1 [~klafka@c-24-6-19-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:12 -!- klafka1 [~klafka@c-24-6-19-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:17 -!- klafka1 [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-24-63-135-252.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:43 -!- klafka1 [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:11 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host81-152-117-238.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:12 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host81-152-117-238.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:15 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:23 -!- Jora [~Jora@unaffiliated/jora] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:28 <@kanzure> hrm 22:33 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:29 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:30 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:30 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp --- Log closed Fri Jun 08 00:00:34 2012