--- Log opened Tue Jun 19 00:00:44 2012
00:22 < brownies> what's a chorded keyboard?
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00:26 < sylph_mako> brownies, essentially it can handle more keys being pressed at once than normal keyboards. As many keys as there are, often.
00:27 < sylph_mako> Fewer keys are needed.
00:27 < brownies> oh. interesting.
00:28 < sylph_mako> It'd be good to have one for a wearable computer.
00:29 < kanzure> brownies: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Septambic_key_numbering.jpg/220px-Septambic_key_numbering.jpg
00:29 < kanzure> http://chordite.com/pix/gen_4/wearable_keyboard.jpg
00:31 < brownies> well, that's just ridiculous
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04:10 < pasky> kanzure: any tips on getting nanoengineer to work on a modern system? it seems that numarray module has been deprecated in favor of numpy
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07:37 < kanzure> "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) today awarded contracts for the creation of three new centers tasked with responding to the threat of future pandemics and biological attacks, Nature News Blog reports."
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07:38 < kanzure> "The largest award — $176 million over five years — went to Texas A&M University."
07:38 < kanzure> "HHS projects that the centers will be able to produce 25% of the country’s pandemic flu vaccine supply within four months of an outbreak, with the infrastructure in place by 2014 or 2015."
07:38 < kanzure> pasky: nanoengineer is a tricky beast!
07:39 < kanzure> pasky: nmz787 spent some time fixing the numarray issues in his fork
07:39 < kanzure> https://github.com/nmz787/nanoengineer/tree/ubuntu-fixes
07:40 < kanzure> right now i have it working on ubuntu 7.04 in a chroot
07:40 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/nanoengineer-chroot-debootstrap
07:40 < kanzure> or you can get the 1.2 GB chroot here.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/nanoengineer-chroot.tar.gz
07:40 < kanzure> my plan was to slowly upgrade the chroot environment to ubuntu 8, then 9, then 10, etc. and fix bugs and failing tests along the way
07:40 < kanzure> i am open to better ideas though :)
07:41 < delinquentme> anyone in here programmed in octave?
07:41 < kanzure> sorta. yes..
07:49 < kanzure> http://ecosensory.com/diybio/ther-cycler-carousel-air-flow-1.gif
07:49 < kanzure> http://ecosensory.com/diybio/thermo-cycler-carousel-air-flow-2.gif
07:49 < kanzure> oops the first link is wrong
07:49 < kanzure> http://ecosensory.com/diybio/thermo-cycler-carousel-air-flow-1.gif
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07:51 < kanzure> ok so he's asking for $2k/mo for 3 months to build it
07:51 < kanzure> target price is <$100
07:52 < ThomasEgi> all it has to do is heating and cooling right?
07:53 < kanzure> yes it's absurdly simple
07:53 < ThomasEgi> spending 6k bucks on a cool/heat device is a tiny bit crazy
07:53 < ThomasEgi> besides the idea drawn is ... not.. so .. well thought through if you ask me
07:54 < ThomasEgi> i mean you could just get 2 water tanks, and a thermocycle chamber wich is filled with water.
07:54 < ThomasEgi> and pump in hot and cold water as you need
07:55 < ThomasEgi> a simple temperature sensor and 2 cheap pumps and you are don
07:55 < ThomasEgi> e
07:55 < ThomasEgi> putting one bottle in the fridge, an hanging a aquarium heater in the other to provide enough heat/cooling capacity should do the trick
07:57 < kanzure> "It's like I've been talking about on the list -- based on a rotor that spins a carousel
07:57 < kanzure> via an inexpensive motor with encoder marks on the carousel to generate the stirring breeze
07:57 < kanzure> that makes temps stay all together across the interior of the machine.  A separate chamber
07:57 < kanzure> will have a heater and doors that let air flow through or not.  Rapid cooling to near 30 deg C
07:57 < kanzure> can be had without much complexity by closing the doors to the hot chamber, and opening the
07:57 < kanzure> one(s) to ambient room temperature.  If your target cool temperature is above 45 deg C, that method
07:57 < kanzure> should work even in equatorial Africa."
07:57 < kanzure> "Where I noted piezo flap doors, it could end up being a solenoid or two driving a stainless steel thin wire
07:57 < kanzure> formed to link to two flap doors each, and the flap doors could be 3DP by shapeways then less expensive ways.
07:57 < kanzure> The PCR body and lid can be designed to be 3D CNC machinable from HDPE or polycarbonate at Endesign."
07:58 < delinquentme> kanzure, did you see the FB link that i threw up about microfluidic tutorials?
07:58 < delinquentme> some french company doing OS stuff
07:59 < delinquentme> IDK if they were any good ... havnt looked over them yet
07:59 < delinquentme> shot them an email though
08:01 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, if rapid cooling is desired. water has a much higher heat capacity than air.
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08:05 < kanzure> delinquentme: so you shot them an email.. before reading?
08:08 < delinquentme> correct
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10:09 < kanzure> "osuosl receives $300,000 from google"
10:09 < kanzure> "Now if they could donate to pdx.edu to keep their mirrors up... that'd be great..."
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10:13 < nmz787_> Yoooo
10:15 < kanzure> hi nmz787_
10:15 < kanzure> someone was asking about your numarray/numpy upgrades to nanoengineer
10:15 < kanzure> i pointed pasky to https://github.com/nmz787/nanoengineer/tree/ubuntu-fixes
10:15 < kanzure> but i don't recall where you got to?
10:19 < nmz787_> The gui started
10:25 < nmz787_> But a demo file wouldnt load (the program crashed)
10:25 < nmz787_> We just got to SPC
10:25 < nmz787_> SLC
10:25 < nmz787_> there is a great belgian waffle place
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10:39 < kanzure> why does that solvebio guy from startupsci have 27000 facebook subscribers? http://www.facebook.com/kaganovich/subscribers
10:40 < chido> kanzure: is that the biology-is-easy guy?
10:40 < kanzure> this guy http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/startup-science-2012/mark-kaganovich-solvebio.txt
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10:43 < chido> oh that one
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10:48 < nmz787_> Kanzure fenn said he woukd like soludwieks
10:48 < nmz787_> But that his comp cant run it
10:49 < nmz787_> Maybe we can find aa good laptop on slickdeals.net
10:51 < kanzure> oh i should have left my laptop with him
10:54 < kanzure> nmz787_: john griessen is asking for $2k/mo @ 3 months to make a <$100 thermocycler that "doesn't suck"
10:54 < kanzure> nmz787_: http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-06-19.log has his details, though i agree it could be improved
10:54 < kanzure> just wondering what your thoughts are on that
10:55 < nmz787_> Sounds OK for him... if it works out
10:55 < nmz787_> But
10:55 < nmz787_> Starting to drive again
10:56 < nmz787_> Another 12 or more hours today
10:56 < nmz787_> Ttyl
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12:18 < kanzure> hrmm
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12:20 < kanzure> and sometimes i wonder why i miss out on facebook:
12:20 < kanzure> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/556384_10151053558745850_1334840827_n.jpg
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13:28 < kanzure> html/css/svg compatability with browsers http://caniuse.com/ looks a little like the quirks mode site
13:29 < kanzure> erm i mean http://www.quirksmode.org/compatibility.html
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14:46 < kanzure> http://www.slideshare.net/IgnitePhoenix/slicing-brains-very-quickly-todd-huffman
14:46 < kanzure> pretty old though- from 2009
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15:03 < kanzure> kendoka: hi
15:03 < kanzure> nmz787_: welcome back?
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15:04 < nmz787_> Lol
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15:04 < nmz787_> Middle of Wyoming with cruise on 80
15:04 < delinquentme> wyoming O_o;;;
15:04 < kanzure> the american dream.
15:05 < delinquentme> yee haw
15:05 < nmz787_> 95
15:05 < delinquentme> in a vacuum tub train under water traveling at 2500 mph?
15:06 < nmz787_> Ok 80 again
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15:06 < delinquentme> @_@
15:06 < delinquentme> we lost him!
15:06 < kanzure> i wasn't aware that the delorean was able to get up to 95 mph
15:08 < delinquentme> you guys finished up in SF kanzure ?
15:09 < delinquentme> many new things to think about?
15:09 < kanzure> i am in austin
15:09 < kanzure> i don't think there's anything new that was mentioned
15:09 < delinquentme> did nathan drive down?
15:10 < delinquentme> wishing there was some wormhole for him
15:10 < delinquentme> thats hella drive if he did
15:10 < delinquentme> also stanford is hiring a rails programmer
15:12 < kanzure> yes nathan drove
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15:22 < kanzure> "The competition amongst open access journals is getting intense, with one publisher announcing that it will pay prominent authors to write review papers for them (with lots of citations), in order to attract more authors." http://scholarlyoa.com/2012/06/12/hindawis-isrn-brand-offers-to-pay-for-articles/
15:22 < kanzure> "Cairo-based Hindawi Publishing Corporation is apparently launching a new strategy to invigorate its ISRN (International Scholarly Research Network) brand. The strategy involves paying scholars to write papers to help make the brand’s 106 journals more attractive to other potential authors."
15:22 < kanzure> "Normally, ISRN operates using the author-pays model, charging authors upon acceptance of their articles. These “article processing charges” can cost $1,000 or more."
15:23 < kanzure> "Hindawi is currently undertaking a spam campaign to solicit articles for the ISRN journals. In emails sent to researchers, ISRN offers to pay $1,000 for each accepted article."
15:23 < kanzure> so if you usually pay $5k to publish through them, their $1k offer means they are only charging you $4k or they are are really writing you a check for $1k?
15:23 < kanzure> $1k for 10,000 words on a highly technical topic sounds pretty low to me?
15:24 < delinquentme> words are also pretty easy to come up with
15:24 < delinquentme> academia
15:24 < delinquentme> its everywhere .. but i guess they need a way to quantify
15:26 < delinquentme> http://www.halcyonmolecular.com/
15:26 < delinquentme> they removed more stuff from their website =[
15:28 < delinquentme> beautiful: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/214831794103664640/photo/1/large
15:29 < kendoka> hi, nice to meet another ultrasound enthusiast
15:29 < kendoka> hows the ultrasounic septal stimulator coming along?
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15:29 < kendoka> i kept pestering dave pearce about Tyler's work
15:32 < delinquentme> is this a TCDS?
15:34 < kanzure> no it's not a tdcs
15:34 < kanzure> kendoka: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/
15:34 < kanzure> pearce seems to be more interested in zerostates or some shit, i dunno
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15:41 < kendoka> i bought into the dave's hype over amineptine
15:41 < kendoka> managed to get a 15 day supply
15:41 < kendoka> nothing to write home about :(
15:42 < delinquentme> asprey?
15:43 < kendoka> ?
15:47 < kendoka> i need to get a price for one of these phased array transducers
15:47 < kendoka> dont think i can fab one myself
15:48 < kanzure> i was talking with someone about doing the fabrication
15:48 < kanzure> one of the papers mentions that per transducer their cost was about $100 including some custom pcb board
15:48 < kanzure> i don't recall what the bottleneck in that price was
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15:50 < eudoxia> so what's that zerostate thing all about anyways?
15:50 < kanzure> yet another segregated community
15:50 < eudoxia> another "let's create a transhuman nation/city/religion/space station"?
15:51 < kanzure> no i think it's "let's create a super group to unite everyone under, but under the shared goal of no state authority" or something
15:51 < kanzure> except, uh, the supergroup
15:52 < kendoka> some professor on youtube was testing this on himself at 8mhz...said it was interesting
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15:52 < kendoka> 8mhz is too high
15:53 < kanzure> was this the crazy physicist who believes in quantum bullshitting and other things, like conciousness? -_-
15:53 < kendoka> ah yes thats the one
15:53 < kanzure> yeah, no thanks
15:53 < kanzure> he's not to be trusted, and when i watched the video i wasn't convinced that he said he tried it himself
15:54 < kanzure> the other video of interest is the mouse stimulation one:
15:54 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEP6iWLsvQ
15:54 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKrGUA3pAOE
15:54 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfYp9H7fP0g
15:54 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0msVw1dewYQ
16:01 < kanzure> http://sharpen.engr.colostate.edu/mediawiki/index.php/CHOMP_tutorial:_Build_a_peptide_from_scratch
16:03 < kanzure> https://github.com/cathalgarvey/OpenPyCR cathal is trying to make sense of openpcr's terrible setup
16:07 < kendoka> looks like you need a gelpad to help propagate the waves to the skull..plus a stereotactic frame or headgear of some kind
16:07 < kendoka>  using talairachts or reicharts polar coordinate system to calibrate
16:08 < kendoka> there's some kind of opiod peptide out there thats on par with fentanyl
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16:12 < kendoka> apparently there are people who have tried to get loperamide (anti-diarhea drugs) past the blood brain barrier
16:12 < kanzure> do you know of any open source or free software library for doing talairacht or reichart coordinates?
16:12 < kendoka> by binding to some ester of vitamin c and smuggle it through via ascorbic acid transport pumps
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16:13 < kanzure> i was looking at dipy the other day.. seems to do diffusion imaging / tractography stuff, but no coordinate mapping stuff.
16:13 < kendoka> no open-source
16:13 < kanzure> okay, well. i'm willing to write that software.
16:13 < kanzure> but i'm not entirely confident that it will be correct
16:13 < kanzure> i have approximately none to a very small amount of experience with steoretactic coordinate systems
16:14 < kanzure> *stereotactic
16:15 < kanzure> manchester microbe map stuff .. https://github.com/asacalow/microbe-map-hacking
16:17 < yashgaroth> why do they need to add "hacking" to the name? is that just a prerequisite for projects on github?
16:17 < kanzure> in this case it's being used to say "this is just a pile of stuff that probably doesn't do anything"
16:18 < kanzure> also, he was at the diybio workshop.
16:18 < yashgaroth> yeah I remember, it was interesting stuff, just..."hacking!"
16:19 < yashgaroth> ignore me I'm just carlagged
16:19 < _F7_> loperamide catching a ride to the brain on vitamin C esters?
16:19 < _F7_> For diarhea of the mind?
16:20 < yashgaroth> I assumed cryonics somehow
16:20 < yashgaroth> don't worry about freezing water in the brain if there's no water
16:21 < yashgaroth> oh wait it's an *anti*-diarrheal
16:21 < kanzure> yashgaroth: check the backlogs for something about freezing hamsters and goldfish
16:21 < kanzure> by backlogs i mean today's backlog
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16:23 < yashgaroth> ya I remember that yesterday
16:23 < _F7_> will do
16:24 < yashgaroth> hamsters are pretty hardcore, to be fair
16:24 < chido> kanzure: is it possible to port pokemon between games using the emulator?
16:24 < chido> yashgaroth: guess what, I passed the exam
16:24 < yashgaroth> huzzah!
16:24 < kanzure> chido: yes.. lookup 'virtualboy trade pokemon' on youtube
16:25 < chido> not sure how though, I was in a comatose state of mind
16:25 < chido> kanzure: thanks!
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16:31 < kanzure> oops i mean visualboy
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16:55 < kendoka> f7: normally it binds only to opiod receptors in the intestine; but folks get desperate sometimes
16:55 < kanzure> kendoka: how'd you find us?
16:55 < kendoka> you could also theoretically use ultrasound to disrupt the BBB for drug delivery
16:57 < kendoka> i was browsing transhumanist/singularity groups, not a true believer yet though
16:57 < yashgaroth> I would really not recommend disrupting the BBB
16:57 < kanzure> believer??
16:57 < kanzure> what do you mean.. you don't believe that i exist?
16:57 < kendoka> in the rapture i mean
16:57 < kanzure> the what now
16:57 < yashgaroth> the nerd rapture
16:58 < kanzure> sounds unrelated
16:58 < kendoka> similar circles of people
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16:59 < kendoka> for cancer drugs it be great though
16:59 < kanzure> i don't think anyone in here is believing in nerd rapture.. we just want to build things and poke at things with very sharp sticks
16:59 < yashgaroth> if you've got cancer, injection into the cerebrospinal fluid is easier
17:02 < kendoka> not that i'm against it happening; i just think folks have to actively work for it instead of just preaching that better times are around the corner
17:02 < yashgaroth> sounds like this is the channel for you then
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17:05 < kendoka> i still havent seen the roadmap
17:06 < kanzure> it needs to be rewritten
17:06 < kanzure> i'm sorry about that
17:10 < kendoka> there's some korean dude that's been working on similar stuff, ultrasonic stim to the thalamus and affecting gaba levels in rats
17:11 < kendoka> FDA be damned, he should try with parkinsons patients next
17:11 < kanzure> refs?
17:11 < kendoka> or maybe try waking up some folks from their comas
17:16 < kanzure> do you have refrences on your korean dude or why you think stimulation would wake coma patients?
17:16 < delinquentme> nerd rapture
17:16 < delinquentme> ^^
17:17 < kendoka> http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?doi=336001
17:18 < kanzure> "Glutamate and GABA were directly sampled from the frontal lobe of the rat brain via a direct microdialysis technique before, during, and after the sonication"
17:18 < kanzure> direct microdialysis... heh
17:19 < Dr_Patrick> BANE!
17:19 < Dr_Patrick> if we could make hormone filters so ppl didnt get so emotional about things
17:20 < Dr_Patrick> we could make stim pumps
17:20 < kendoka> stimulation to the damaged thalamus has revived a few people temporarily
17:20 < kendoka> are we talking about women here patrick?
17:20 < superkuh> What part of the thalamus? Lower order relays? Or higher order?
17:20 < kanzure> i don't understand what stim pumps has to do with "getting so emotional"
17:20 < kanzure> why can't you make stim pumps regardless of that? what??
17:21 < kendoka> i could see where having a thermostat for the limbic system would help
17:21 < kanzure> superkuh: do you know a better map than this? http://interstitiality.net/BD/brainEngDiagram.html
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17:21 < kanzure> like preferably one made out of data, and not "pretty pictures"
17:21 < kendoka> or resetting the thermostat i should say, since the hypothalamus is supposed to manage that
17:22 < kanzure> an adjacency matrix or something.
17:24 < superkuh> I don't recall anything. I've seen lots of similar flowcharts, or even data models represented as flow charts for ease of interpretation, but only for sub-systems. Not whole brain stuff.
17:30 < kanzure> superkuh: i was thinking of making a small project to help chart that info from multiple (possibly conflicting?) sources.
17:31 < kanzure> superkuh: the data structure i was thinking of is: source, destination, inhibitory/excitatory or cell type, citations, density(?)
17:31 < kanzure> but i'm not sure if this captures all of the details that would be useful for things like mapping it to stereotactic systems in the future, or figuring out what subsystems to stimulate with tdcs or focused ultrasound or tms; maybe there are other details that i should keep track of
17:35 < kendoka> i believe they activated the reticular nuclei and they became responsive
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17:41 < kendoka> kanzure:  the medial forebrain bundle/nacc/reward circuit is pretty straightforward....
17:41 < kendoka> http://imaging.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/imaging/MniTalairach
17:43 < kendoka> anybody try binaural beats or isochronic tones?
17:43 < kendoka> the theta and gamma frequencies are pretty effective for falling asleep
17:43 < superkuh> Citation?
17:44 < superkuh> As of right now I consider them placebo.
17:44 < kanzure> hey wait, don't knock the singularitytards and then come in here talking about binaural beats
17:44 < kanzure> erm singularitards
17:45 < kendoka> uh, would a personal anecdote suffice?
17:45 < kanzure> it might entertain me
17:45 < kendoka> i can't vouch for the alpha or beta freqs though
17:45 < Dr_Patrick> the ganzfeild experiment
17:45 < Dr_Patrick> is also a thrill
17:45 < kendoka> they might be decent for studying
17:46 < kendoka> but with gamma i was asleep in 10 minutes
17:46 < kendoka> it helps if your eyes are closed...heh
17:47 < kendoka> ive seen some systems that have tones and led flashing lights apparently this syncs brainwaves better
17:47 < Dr_Patrick> sure, but idk what this is going to accomplish that ppl havent been trying to achieve with chemicals
17:47 < Dr_Patrick> for thousands of years
17:48 < Dr_Patrick> it is a good safe legal alternative for the beginner psychonaut
17:49 < kendoka> its more brain "entrainment" then chemical dependency
17:50 < kendoka> its kind of a poor mans version of CES stimulation
17:55 < Dr_Patrick> but whats the end goal of entrainment
17:55 < Dr_Patrick> some sort of personal evolution?
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17:56 < kendoka> eventually the brainwave activity is reset to a new baseline
17:56 < kendoka> or so the theory goes
17:57 < Jora> whats the theory
17:58 < kendoka> binaural beats and brainwave entrainment
17:59 < kendoka> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?num=100&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=beat+binaural
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18:17 < AlonzoTG> om
18:21 < kanzure> kendoka: i think the brainwave theory has been thoroughly discredited by now
18:21 < Dr_Patrick> there could be something deeper though, related to chanting and quantum entanglement -
18:21 < kanzure> or, it's not the most useful model.. it's not like these potentials are accurately describing activity
18:22 < kanzure> Dr_Patrick: are you trolling?
18:22 < Dr_Patrick> Mass conciousness
18:23 < Dr_Patrick> perhaps putting the mind in certian states would assist this
18:23 < Dr_Patrick> if such a thing were real
18:23 < kendoka> alonzotg:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PJx8PE_GVM
18:24 < kendoka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwoeb4AsFk&feature=related
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18:24 < Dr_Patrick> I'm not superstitious myself, but ppl claim Monks have achieved some 'superhuman' things
18:24 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you deal with this
18:24 < kanzure> yashgaroth: feel free to kick all of them
18:24 < Dr_Patrick> kung-fu / chi focusing
18:24 < kendoka> Do not deny the power of OM
18:24 < Dr_Patrick> IDK if there is anythign to it
18:24 < Dr_Patrick> But if technology could facilitate this.
18:25 < kanzure> see, this is why we can't have nice things. we talk about brains for a few minutes, and suddenly everyone is masturbating about quantum entanglement and brainwaves and shit.
18:25 < Dr_Patrick> lol
18:25 < Dr_Patrick> you masturbait your way
18:25 < Dr_Patrick> theres no difference
18:25 < kendoka> we're on the fringe here anyway
18:26 < kanzure> kendoka: what fringe?
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18:26 < kendoka> biohacking nootropics transhumanism open hardware etc
18:26 <@kanzure> how is that fringe?
18:27 < kendoka> its not exactly mainstream topics
18:27 <@kanzure> these topics appear in the NYT all the time
18:27 <@kanzure> the hell you smoking?
18:27 < kendoka> so does meditation and quatum mechanics
18:27 <@kanzure> so?
18:27 < Dr_Patrick> so does supernatural bs im sure
18:27 < Dr_Patrick> who reads the nyt these days anyway
18:28 < kendoka> i have no opinion on quantum consciousness though
18:28 <@kanzure> kendoka: we're not big believers in consciousness in here.
18:28 <@kanzure> much less /quantum/ consciousness.
18:28 < kendoka> well, awareness then
18:28 <@kanzure> this sounds like philosophy.
18:28 < kendoka> however you wish to define self-aware processes or the mind itself
18:29 <@kanzure> i don't wish to. thanks.
18:33 < AlonzoTG> mu
18:37 < _Sketch_> I really want to implant eink into my arm. Always have a watch, pda, etc.
18:37 < _Sketch_> More extreme: All my skin is eink.
18:37 < _Sketch_> Probably not possible.
18:38 < kendoka> e-ink tatoos?
18:39 <@yashgaroth> always good to come back from making dinner and have ops
18:39 < ThomasEgi> make it bioluminiscent e-ink. and i'm in :)
18:41 < kendoka> subdermal microbeads could work.
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19:42 < panax> as far as binaural brainwave entrainment does anyone know why it is contraindicted for people with heart disease or pacemakers
19:42 < panax> i know it is for people at risk for stroke because of increased bloodflow to the head but was wondering if that was the only reason for heart disease as well
19:43 < kendoka> probably a standard disclaimer; assuming some kind of adverse biofeedback effect
19:44 < panax> people with that are typically at higher risk of stroke so maybe they got lumped into that
19:44 < panax> it would seem like it could otherwise be beneficial for that though
19:45 < kendoka> depends on the effect you're going for i guess and what kind of blood pressure problems you have
19:46 < panax> i only induce theta waves and never really had a problem
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19:47 < panax> its hard to find any real studies on that though
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19:49 < kendoka> supposedly signals from the auditory channels affect the thalamus over time
19:55 <@kanzure> http://failthing.com/ pics of broken 3d printed stuff
19:55 <@kanzure> or failing 3d prints
19:57 < kendoka> looks like an accident on the transporter pad again
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20:02 < kendoka> maybe they can stick these in a modern art show somewhere
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23:41 <@kanzure> archels: do you know antti tenetz?
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23:45 <@kanzure> hi russ__
23:45 < russ__> hey
23:46 < russ__> do you prefer to not use the gchat option?
23:46 <@kanzure> this is somewhat more public, and other people can chime in
23:46 < russ__> ok cool
23:46 <@kanzure> mostly when i am wrong or being silly
23:46 < russ__> gotcha
23:46 < russ__> what kind of projects do most people pursue?
23:47 < russ__> im looking for something to get started on
23:47 < russ__> but am somewhat unsure of where to place my time
23:47 <@kanzure> it depends on what your interests are.. some people do bioinformatics, some people build things
23:47 <@kanzure> some people play around with plasmids and transfect some bacteria
23:48 < russ__> ok, like i said i am doing a lot of reading right now trying to get a better handle on things
23:48 < russ__> hopefully ill come across something
23:48 < russ__> that peaks my interest
23:52 < russ__> im pretty interested in climate change, and like the idea of tweaking something to uptake a lot of carbon dioxide and use the carbons to transform it into something else
23:53 <@kanzure> someone proposed a giant terraforming project.. something about dumping some silver-related compound into the ocean to offset climate change.
23:54 < russ__> yea i think i read about it
23:54 < russ__> that doesnt really seem...like a good idea
23:54 <@kanzure> some of us particularly excel in that category
23:55 < russ__> haha
23:55 < russ__> i think the problem with dumping chemicals on something though is that isnt really a sustainable approach
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23:55 < russ__> it also opens you up into a wide range of not knowing what exactly will happen
23:56 <@kanzure> _F7_: hi.
23:58 < _F7_> hello
23:58 < _F7_> sleepytimes
23:58 <@kanzure> same. good night.
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