--- Log opened Sat Jun 23 00:00:48 2012
00:05 < ParahSailin__> what is this... this code, someone is storing a 64bit pointer as an unsigned char "prefix" and an unsigned int suffix; pointer = prefix <<32 + suffix
00:05 < ParahSailin__> is this... normal?
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00:06 < kanzure> why are they calculating the pointer?
00:06 < ParahSailin__> and the normal version of storing the actual pointer... is commented out?!
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00:06 < ParahSailin__> i dont even
00:07 < kanzure> so you're saying that they are hardcoding the location in memory?
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00:08 < ParahSailin__> there is a struct containing a pointer to some other struct
00:09 < ParahSailin__> but instead of simply storing that pointer as a pointer, they store it as a char and an int32
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07:25 < kanzure> beep
07:28 < thesnark> boop
07:29 < kanzure> http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/crickets-invade-austin
07:29 < kanzure> woke up in a pile of crickets
07:32  * thesnark chirps
07:34 < chido> my spiders like to eat them
07:35 < chido> maybe you should keep spiders
07:36 < kanzure> advantage: the bug population seems to presently be zero
07:37 < chido> also, crickets sell for two dollars a box at local pet stores
07:38 < chido> you could get rich!
07:38 < chido> smuggling crickets from texas to europe
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07:39 < kanzure> well, i have nothing better to do today
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08:23 < eudoxia> ParahSailin__: it looks like they're storing a tag along with the pointer. you usually see that in implementations of dynamically-typed languages, where an object's type is stored in the tag and appended to the actual location of the data in memory
08:24 < eudoxia> or to keep type safety with void pointers, etc.
08:24 < ParahSailin__> they are doing it this way to save memory
08:24 < ParahSailin__> when there are a billion nodes, reducing size by cutting off useless 24 bytes on a pointer counts
08:27 < eudoxia> the pointer is an edge in a graph?
08:28 < ParahSailin__> its a tree structure
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09:18 < kanzure> as jason alexander put it... "we will not build weapons of /mass/ destruction"
09:22 < ThomasEgi> would be quite the opposite of all the constructive work people do anyway
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10:54 < kanzure> why the hell is there still no electonics schematics database
10:55 < kanzure> *electronics
10:56 < chris_99> epanorama
10:57 < kanzure> looks like spam http://www.epanorama.net/
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10:57 < kanzure> this ain't schematics? http://www.epanorama.net/links/pyrotech.html
10:57 < kanzure> blah
10:58 < kanzure> three measuring circuits? that's all? http://www.epanorama.net/index2.php?section=circuits&index=measuring
10:58 < kanzure> upverter (for all of its problems) has more :/
10:58 < chris_99> huh
10:58 < chris_99> what are you looking for
10:59 < kanzure> a schematics database.
10:59 < kanzure> you know, one with things. and stuff.
10:59 < kanzure> thingiverse has more crap than epanorama.
10:59 < chris_99> specifically
10:59 < kanzure> don't care.
11:00 < kanzure> http://upverter.com/explore/
11:01 < chris_99> class D amp :)
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11:32 < kanzure> upverter's schematic editor is terrible. why can't i find a 0.22 uF capacitor.
11:34 < chido> pasky: what kind of schematic editor do you use? it looked pretty good
11:35 < thesnark> kanzure spice?
11:36 < kanzure> no not spice... upverter.com. they act like they're github for electronics.
11:36 < kanzure> their ui seems to have gotten worse since i looked last year
11:36 < pasky> i use eagle
11:36 < thesnark> always a good sign
11:36 < thesnark> eagle is nice
11:36 < kanzure> thesnark: yes except now it's unusable.
11:37 < kanzure> when i'm searching for a 0.22 uF capacitor, i would expect to find one :/
11:37 < pasky> and i'd be using gEDA if I started now, but eagle has big advantage of having large databases of components all around web and when i last checked, there was no conversion software
11:37 < kanzure> and why would you only load 10 parts per page?
11:37 < kanzure> fuck 10 parts per page
11:37 < thesnark> uhhh
11:37 < thesnark> wow
11:37 < thesnark> 10 parts per page is ridiculous
11:37 < kanzure> "take a photo of yourself every time you commit" http://coderwall.com/p/xlatfq?i=9&p=1&q=
11:37 < kanzure> unfortunately this will just be pictures of me being raging mad/angry
11:38 < thesnark> lol
11:40 < thesnark> my workplace doesn't use git or hg for version control
11:40 < thesnark> should I:
11:40 < thesnark> a) quit
11:40 < thesnark> b) kill myself
11:40 < thesnark> c) repress notions of self respect
11:40 < audy> d) convince them to use version control
11:41 < audy> e) use version control yourself. laugh at them when they lose all their code
11:41 < thesnark> haha
11:41 < thesnark> I do like e
11:41 < audy> true story. I use git, coworker doesn't, goes to Paris and gets laptop and year's worth of bad perl stolen.
11:41 < thesnark> oh shit
11:42 < kanzure> well, who wants perl anyway, much less unversioned perl'
11:42 < audy> Parisians apparently
11:42 < thesnark> perl seems to be a language people feel very strongly about
11:42 < thesnark> everyone seems to love or hate it
11:42 < kanzure> thesnark: i say murder everyone you know, it's the only logical thing to do
11:42 < thesnark> kanzure wow...you're right!
11:43 < thesnark> Why didn't I realize that before?
11:43 < thesnark> f) Kill everyone
11:43 < audy> diff their organs
11:43 < thesnark> hahah
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11:48 < kanzure> i just want something like openscad (without the visualization) for electronics
11:48 < kanzure> is this what pycircuit is?
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11:49 < kanzure> i just want 1) component objects 2) graphs 3) octopart/digikey/upverter component database integration
11:49 < kanzure> also 4) circuit analysis would be hott, but i can write that bullshit on my own
11:51 < chris_99> ltspice is pretty good btw if you haven't used that already
12:15 < jrayhawk> wait who loves perl
12:16 < jrayhawk> other than, like, schwartz, conway, and wall
12:19 < chris_99> python ftw ;)
12:20 < thesnark> python is the shit
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12:32 < chevbird> hey all.  just had lunch with geoff and figured you'd all enjoy this talk.  http://video.mit.edu/watch/lemelson-mit-eurekafest-2009-30000-lemelson-mit-student-prize-winner-presentation-4261/
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12:38 < kanzure> a driveby linking.
12:38 < kanzure> the worst kind of crime.
12:38 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, qucs makes a nice simulator
12:38 < kanzure> i just want a python library or api
12:39 < kanzure> i guess i can write it myself but i'd be very surprised if GUIs is all we have
12:41 < archels> kanzure: find the variant of spice that suits your needs
12:42 < kanzure> spice is for simulation
12:42 < kanzure> i am confused by your comments
12:45 < archels> I thought that is what you wanted?
12:45 < kanzure> simulation sounds like #4, but i am more interested in #1 through #3
12:45 < archels> spice does 1, 2 and 4 but not 3
12:46 < archels> spice can be primitive in places.
12:47 < kanzure> this doesn't look like anything useful to me https://github.com/rca/PySPICE/blob/master/spice/objects.py
12:50 < kanzure> this looks slightly more usefl https://github.com/henjo/gnucap-python/blob/master/example/custom_ac.py
12:50 < kanzure> *useful
12:50 < kanzure> but why notj ust import components into the python namespace?
12:50 < kanzure> *just
12:53 < kanzure> holy fuck this is terrible
12:53 < kanzure> http://bwrc.eecs.berkeley.edu/classes/icbook/spice/Examples/examples.html
12:53 < thesnark> hahaha
12:54 < thesnark> kanzure has discovered what I had to put up with in school
12:54 < thesnark> however it's a very accurate simulator
12:55 < ThomasEgi> advice. use a GUI to map out your circuit. let it generate spice-suiteable output.
12:56 < ThomasEgi> working with raw numbers just makes no sense (at least not to me)
12:56 < ThomasEgi> oh. btw. anyone from norway around?
12:56 < kanzure> why would i care about the layout of my circuit?
12:56 < kanzure> it's just going to change by the time it gets to a pcb anyway
12:57 < ThomasEgi> well usualy. people draw a circuit. simulate it, change it. simulate it etc.
12:57 < ThomasEgi> when they are happy with it, they make a pcb
12:58 < kanzure> ok why would i want to draw anything?
12:58 < ThomasEgi> i know noone who writes spice simulations by hand , and then starts drawing the actual circuit when the simulation runs as desired
12:58 < kanzure> i just want to write down the topology
12:58 < ThomasEgi> if that works for you
12:58 < ThomasEgi> most circuits are pretty complex, so having a visual layout helps a lot
12:59 < kanzure> yeah but the visualization should be separate
13:00 < ThomasEgi> usualy is is. as the visualisation only generates the simulation parameter stuff. like netlists or the spice input
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13:26 < chevbird> sorry about the post and run from earlier.  computer issues
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13:58 < panax> try ltspice if you want schematics
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16:01 < kanzure> "Definition of structures in the white matter is sometimes confusing. For example, names, such as the internal capsule, refer to specific locations in the white matter. This structure contains various axonal tracts with different trajectories (i.e., corticospinal tract, corticopontine tract, corticothalamic tract, thalamocortical tract, etc.). "
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16:01 < kanzure> "On the other hand, nomenclature such as the corticospinal and corticopontine refers to the connection between two anatomic regions, although the separation of these two types of nomenclature is not always clear in white matter anatomy."
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16:09 < kanzure> some diffusion tensor imaging data.. https://www.mristudio.org/wiki/installation
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16:49 < delinquentme> http://www.facebook.com/groups/4410586435/10150863493141436/?notif_t=group_comment_reply
16:49 < delinquentme> damnit one sec
16:50 < delinquentme> https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/include-funding-next-fiscal-budget-life-extension-researchit-idea-whose-time-has-come/w8KnYT69
16:50 < delinquentme> I'm sure we've got some skeptics on what the white house peitions will actually do
16:50 < delinquentme> however for 20 seconds of your time .. probably couldn't hurt
16:54 < yashgaroth> wow that's a terribly written petition
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17:03 < delinquentme> I'm not sure it can be edited post... posting
17:03 < delinquentme> but feel free to volunteers =]
17:10 < kanzure> what? volunteer to delete it?
17:13 < delinquentme> rewrite it
17:14 < delinquentme> i think deleting it would do even less good .. you dont think so?
17:14 < kanzure> their platform sucks and no they don't allow edits
17:15 < delinquentme> i mean a signature couldn't hurt though right?
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17:47 < ParahSailin__> lol whitehouse.gov petitions
17:49 < chevbird> lol indeed
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18:09 < eudoxia> it looks like it was written by a stoned... Eclipse Phase gamemaster?
18:16 < gl00m> i wrote this earlier http://jackparsonslabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/solomons-seal.mp3
18:16 < gl00m> speaking of stoned eclipes phase gamemasters
18:34 < kanzure> why are you here
18:34 < gl00m> kanzure why are you here
18:35 < gl00m> the real question is why do you always ask why I am here
18:35 < kanzure> because you keep sending out noisey crap
18:36 < gl00m> you must look into yourself
18:36 < kanzure> i don't like it when i have to clean up your mess :(
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18:36 < gl00m> kanzure, after youve been around the block a few times it wont be so bad
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18:50 < delinquentme> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18392873
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18:50 < delinquentme> Children with older fathers and grandfathers 'live longer'
18:51 < eudoxia> i thought this was pretty obvious
18:51 < delinquentme> really?
18:51 < delinquentme> how so
18:52 < eudoxia> I just guessed longevity had an inheritable component
18:53 < yashgaroth> more accurate title/quote: "scientists have discovered that in sperm, telomeres lengthen with age"
18:54 < eudoxia> oh nevermind i read that wrong
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19:07 <@kanzure> this is an annoyingly sparse article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroanatomy
19:12 <@kanzure> hrmm these guys seem to generate fake magnetic resonance images of brains http://brainweb.bic.mni.mcgill.ca/brainweb/mri_sim.html
19:12 <@kanzure> explanation: http://www.nil.wustl.edu/labs/kevin/man/answers/mnispace.html
19:14 <@kanzure> hrmm. http://www.slicer.org/
19:15 <@kanzure> huh.. http://neuro.debian.net/pkgs/fsl-mni-structural-atlas.html
19:15 <@kanzure> well. okay debian.
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20:28 < jrayhawk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/58372028@N00/6325651271/
20:29 < jrayhawk> i wonder what happened to this petition
20:29 < jrayhawk> the "we the people" website is hilariously unnavigable
20:30 < jrayhawk> anyone requiring a screen reader is apparently not a person
20:30 <@kanzure> i bet osmeone at the white house printed it out, and then ate it for lunch
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23:13 < foucist> yo kanzure
23:13 < foucist> sean wrona's got problems! he needs to stop typing so fricking fast
23:14 < foucist> what's your typing speed at
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