--- Log opened Mon Jun 25 00:00:50 2012
00:07 < kovalezko> what about this .. Piracetam with calcium is more effective?
00:08 < brownies> it is?
00:22 < kovalezko> I read this from a forum, someone said it, u  can google ' piracetam how to get all the benefits from it'
00:26 < strangewarp> sounds legit
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02:08 < Coornail> yeah, some people take it with milk
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03:03 < foucist> careful to keep your daily calcium dose under 250mg or you'll end up with osteoporosis eventually
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05:04 < nmz787> hello?
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05:46 < nmz787> hi chido
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06:05 <@kanzure> hm
06:05 <@kanzure> http://nemaload.davidad.net/
06:13 < nmz787> ?
06:13 < nmz787> things to come?
06:13 < nmz787> man NYC is all grey and raining
06:14 < nmz787> and i don't know if i can hang out at genspace all the time or not
06:16 < foucist> nmz787: excuses
06:16 < foucist> man up.. buy a $200 tent and camp out at genspace
06:19 < nmz787> well, i'd like to actually be /in/ genspace, not outside in a tent
06:19 < nmz787> if i needed a tent, i could be in some mountain wilderness somewhere
06:19 <@kanzure> http://www.noisemademedoit.com/dial-up-modem-slowed/
06:19 < foucist> i don't know the particulars, just making shit up ;)
06:31 < ThomasEgi> this audio.. sounds friggin beautyful
06:38 < foucist> cuz it's mathematical
06:38 < foucist> the music of FFTs
06:38 <@fenn> i wish they hadn't pitch shifted it
06:48 < nmz787> doesnt it say they /didnt/ pitch shift it?
06:52 <@fenn> this is what it should sound like: http://fennetic.net/irc/fax_0.01679616.wav
07:00 <@fenn> unfortunately most recordings out there aren't high enough fidelity to preserve the higher frequency bands
07:05 <@kanzure> fenn: you're an audiophil for the dialup sound
07:06 <@kanzure> *audiophile
07:08 < nmz787> fenn: yeah i've got to say I can't hear too much in the non-shifted version
07:08 < nmz787> gah... why isn't genspace getting back to me?
07:08 <@kanzure> i don't think genspace is big on the whole.. outsidr thing
07:08 <@kanzure> *outsider
07:11 <@fenn> they are probably just slow
07:11 <@fenn> bah.. "synbiobridge" ought to be at noisebridge, but xp_prg fucked it all up
07:12 <@kanzure> ellen was saying that out of everyone she knows, sung won lim is the one who has made the most progress in terms of learning lab techniques and "SCIENCE!"
07:12 <@kanzure> but iirc sung did researcch at harvard? so it might be cheating
07:13 <@kanzure> *who has made the most progress (at genspace)
07:13 <@fenn> he was a physics major
07:13 <@fenn> physicists tend to be good at learning new things, i've noticed
07:16 <@fenn> "I kept asking myself why I didn’t go to a flight school instead of bothering with all this physics baloney."
07:21 < nmz787> i dont think sung has a degree tho
07:21 < nmz787> i think he stopped going to NYU or Columbia or something
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07:22 < nmz787> i just signed up on some NYC youth at risk program
07:22 < nmz787> to be a mentor
07:23 < nmz787> learn them kids how to pipette
07:23 < nmz787> "no no, you don't stab people with pipettors!"
07:23 < nmz787> "you could just slowly pipette their brain out, in a sterile fashion of course"
07:24 < nmz787> hey am i really an outsider though?
07:24 <@kanzure> yes, you're diybio to them
07:24 < nmz787> i would pay the membership due to sit and code there
07:24 <@fenn> oo scary
07:24 <@kanzure> iirc they aren't as gung-ho about diybio people
07:24 < nmz787> huh?
07:24 < nmz787> how so?
07:24 <@fenn> isnt 50% of their team on diybio?
07:25 <@fenn> http://genspace.org/people
07:25 <@kanzure> just daniel, ellen, russell, sung
07:26 <@kanzure> and ellen hates email / hates meeting people over the internet
07:26 < nmz787> i've heard she's quite attentive to email
07:26 <@kanzure> hmmm
07:26 < nmz787> moreso than others there
07:26 <@fenn> well there you go
07:26 < nmz787> i think she may be out of country tho, at that TED thing?
07:26 < nmz787> i dunno really
07:27 <@kanzure> ah right she was asking for us to mail stickers and shit
07:27 < nmz787> anyone ever hear of biotech jobs in portland oregon?
07:27 <@kanzure> well let's ask our portlanders..
07:27 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: bkero: Mokbortolan_: i think that's you guyz
07:27 < nmz787> chandni has a job interview there, sooo, in a month that's where i may be
07:44 <@kanzure> just to clarify: i don't have anything against genspace really :p
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07:46 <@kanzure> fenn: what's up?
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08:55 < jrayhawk> I'm not well versed on the topic, but OHSU seems to drive a lot of  seems to drive a lot of economy around here
08:56 < jrayhawk> biotech startups seem pretty common
08:56 < jrayhawk> within that sphere, that is
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09:03 <@kanzure> nanoengineer seems to run okay on ubuntu 7.10
09:05 <@kanzure> it looks like i have to set xauth cookies for both gnusha and my local laptop when i log into the chroot remotely
09:17 <@kanzure> X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10
09:17 <@kanzure> Major opcode: 10 (X_UnmapWindow)
09:17 <@kanzure> Resource id:  0x101
09:18 <@kanzure> Shader setup failed: <graphics.drawing.ShaderGlobals.SphereShaderGlobals instance at 0xa7b614c> "To work around this error, we'll use non-shader drawing for spheres."
09:18 <@kanzure> hrmm. that can't be good.
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09:25 < bkero> There are plenty of biotech jobs around here
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10:34 <@kanzure> oh look fenn is emailing again
10:35 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openvirgle/msg/a64d16c4da89ad63
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11:18 <@kanzure> hi lichen, klafka, yashgaroth
11:19 < lichen> hi
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13:10 < nmz787> cool, it sounds like portland is a bit more relaxed, and cheaper, than NYC
13:10 < nmz787> it /was/ sunny a minute ago, now in the distance is dark blue ??clouds??
13:14 < nmz787> anyone in here know anyone/anything about nashville TN?
13:15 < yashgaroth> I know one thing:  don't move there
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13:19 < nmz787> why?
13:19 < nmz787> why not?
13:19 < yashgaroth> boy you dun gonna get yerself in a mess'a trouble in nashville
13:20 < yashgaroth> also I doubt there's any biotech
13:20 < nmz787> oh
13:20 < nmz787> i thought you meant portlad
13:20 < nmz787> nah was asking for a friend who's moving there
13:20 < nmz787> hah
13:20 < yashgaroth> oh ok, heh
13:21 < yashgaroth> portland has genentech, and a decent amount of startups
13:21 < nmz787> oh man, its gonna be soaking outside within a half hour i imagine
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13:22  * chido wants to move
13:23 < nmz787> how do you make those stars chido?
13:24  * yashgaroth ?
13:25  * chido isn't aware of making stars
13:26 < yashgaroth> I think he means the /me command
13:26 < chido> aah
13:27 <@kanzure> nmz787: with a star making machine.
13:27  * nmz787 been moving too much lately!
13:27 < nmz787> lol
13:27 < nmz787> fusion!
13:27 < nmz787> oh god, its storming
13:28 < nmz787> i guess i won't be riding this http://www.coneyislandfunguide.com/Attraction/The-Cyclone-Rollercoaster.htm
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13:59 <@kanzure> so i think i'm going to spend about $168,000 (not adjusted for inflation) on adderall over the next 70 years
13:59 <@kanzure> (not adjusted for pharma inflation either)
13:59 <@kanzure> surely it doesn't cost $168k to synthesize meth
14:00 < yashgaroth> are you still buying brand-name?
14:00 <@kanzure> no
14:00 <@kanzure> btw the "brand name" (shire) is manufactured slightly differently and does have a notable effect difference
14:01 < yashgaroth> so...are you not on health insurance, or will they just not pay for it?
14:01 <@kanzure> i am on health insurance, but it costs me more throught hem
14:01 <@kanzure> *through them
14:02 < yashgaroth> hmm well I doubt they'll let you buy in bulk
14:02 <@kanzure> right, so i should just make it mysel
14:02 <@kanzure> *myself
14:03 < yashgaroth> why not pay a visit to your friendly neighborhood meth lab
14:04 <@kanzure> right
14:04 <@kanzure> there are others like me paying $200/mo too
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14:04 < yashgaroth> or...mexico? will they let you import it personally from there?
14:04 <@kanzure> it would be easy to get some people together and dump $15,000/month into an adderall thing
14:05 <@kanzure> perhaps kickstarter
14:05 < yashgaroth> just switch to meth
14:05 < roksprok> isn't there a generic adderall?
14:05 <@kanzure> yes but it's still expensive
14:06 < roksprok> well shucks
14:07 < roksprok> is it easy to synthesize or are you better off just doing meth?
14:07 <@kanzure> not sure. i haven't made meth yet.
14:08 < roksprok> so how hard was adderall?
14:11 < yashgaroth> you on IR or XR? should be relatively easy to conjugate meth to the XR molecules
14:12 <@kanzure> i am on both
14:12 <@kanzure> the release mechanism of the xr version is tricky to track down online
14:12 <@kanzure> some proprietary bead tech thing
14:13 < roksprok> i feel like the hard part is obtaining meth precursers, right?  and aren't they all like, jail time for possession without a license?
14:14 <@kanzure> i have a hard time believing they would jail me for making my own medication
14:14 < yashgaroth> you can get ephedrine from canada, but it's a little hazy...they stopped selling all the "cough medicine" with ephedrine OTC this year though
14:15 < yashgaroth> which sucks because it is super effective as a decongestant
14:18 < yashgaroth> won't adderall eventually go even more generic though?
14:18 <@kanzure> the pharmacies are claiming various shortages
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14:18 <@kanzure> and there's wild price fluctuations between pharmacies
14:19 < gl00m> you can get rx stuff from china
14:19 < gl00m> customs will hold 1/4
14:19 < gl00m> and you keep the rest
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14:19 <@kanzure> wrong/troll
14:19 <@kanzure> when will he leave anyway :(
14:21 < yashgaroth> I'd say +b, but then they come back angier with webirc
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14:33 <@kanzure> hi mensch
14:33 <@kanzure> mensch: did you go to the bosslab biotech bootcamp thing?
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14:37 < mensch> No, but I'm planning on going to their meeting this Saturday
14:38 <@kanzure> alright cool. as long as i have a man on the ground.
14:40 < mensch> Haha, sure do. Likely my gf as well...
14:40 < mensch> She's the biologist in training, I'm just the procrastinating mathematician
14:41 <@kanzure> the best kind of mathematician!
14:41 < mensch> Agree!
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15:07 < roksprok> kanzure: have you heard any news re: halcyon?  are they dead or did the split happen?
15:08 <@kanzure> i heard they had a bbq the other week
15:09 < roksprok> damn...no invite...jerks
15:18  * Mokbortolan_ writes Senseg for a dev kit - AGAIN.
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16:28 <@kanzure> http://techzinglive.com/page/1103/193-tz-interview-cathal-garvey-biohacking
16:29 <@kanzure> (audio)
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16:30 <@kanzure> http://soundcloud.com/techzing/techzing-193
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16:47 < pasky> kanzure: any tips regarding pokemon debugging? i'd like to stepi through few places in pokemon yellow but it is all getting rather unwieldy so i'm wondering if crosscompiling gdb for arm-thumb and using visualboyadvance gdb interface is really the way to go or if there are simpler options
16:49 < pasky> also, it says in the howto "start gdb by passing the .elf file", but what is the elf file?
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17:05 <@kanzure> pasky: i have never been able to get that gdb interface to work, but i would vastly prefer gdb over what i've been using
17:05 <@kanzure> this is the awful crap i've been using for that.. http://bgb.bircd.org/
17:06 <@kanzure> also, iimagikarp/iimarckus in #skeetendo on nucleus.kafuka.org is a good resource to query
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17:06 <@kanzure> hi megatherion_phd
17:06 < megatherion_phd> yo
17:07 <@kanzure> pasky: btw bgb runs pretty well under wine, but it's closed source which is why i'd absolutely prefer gdb.
17:08 < pasky> kanzure: right.. i'd give gdb a shot but i'm clueless on how to generate the elf file to load there in the first place
17:09 < pasky> i'd try vba's internal debugger but the sdl version just segfaults for me
17:09 <@kanzure> pasky: check the README to pokered/pokecrystal.. they point to rgbasm and rgbds and whatever the linker is called. i think you could hack that into producing an elf file.
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17:10 <@kanzure> also: rgbds is the most terrible compiler chain known to mankind. it's super buggy. i've been meaning to rewrite it.
17:10 <@kanzure> i wrote a lexer in pokecrystal/extras/pkasm/lexer.py but i haven't done the other stuff yet.
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17:11 < pasky> right.. well i'm doing just a one-time hack rather than a larger efforts so i think i'll switch to bgb now and try if i get anywhere with that
17:12 <@kanzure> the bgb debugger is a little ridiculous to figure out, it has watchpoints hidden under some nth-layer menu (right click on game screen -> other -> debugger -> breakpoints -> active breakpoints -> set a read/write/execute watchpoint somewhere)
17:13 <@kanzure> the source code to yellow is largely the same as redd
17:13 <@kanzure> *red
17:13 <@kanzure> https://bitbucket.org/iimarckus/pokered/src
17:14 < pasky> ah, but bgb won't load vba's savegames?
17:15 <@kanzure> it might, i dunno
17:16 <@kanzure> if it doesn't, you can shark your way to wherever you were (look up gameshark codes to find RAM locations, set the values to whatever you want)
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17:16 < pasky> my goal is to have mew appear in the grass in an arbitrary location :)
17:16 < pasky> oh, good tip!
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17:16 <@kanzure> ah, well, you can just edit the data structure in main.asm for that
17:17 <@kanzure> then recompile
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17:17 < pasky> well not for pokemon yellow
17:19 <@kanzure> might be at the same place
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19:33 < nmz787> is fenn around?
19:33 < nmz787> fenn: helloooo?
19:33 <@kanzure> well, he doesn't have an away message so he's probably around.
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22:21 <@kanzure> wired magazine has a diybio/rna piece
22:21 <@kanzure> koerner.. something
22:22 < yashgaroth> rna?!
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