--- Log opened Thu Jul 05 00:00:59 2012
00:11 < kanzure> brownies: twilio has rolled out global sms.. they emailed out a .csv of their prices http://ahoy.twilio.com/e/9512/globalpricing/5zjyv/88743465
00:21 < brownies> kanzure: yup
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07:51 < kanzure> michel/p2p fluff piece http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-new-monastic-individuals-as-the-change-agents-for-this-transition-period/2012/07/04
07:51 < kanzure> 3d printing fluff piece http://www.nature.com/news/science-in-three-dimensions-the-print-revolution-1.10939
07:52 < kanzure> "Tissue can be completely removed from a lung, or lung parts leaving only a basement membrane. Stem cells from a recipient can then be incubated in a sterile incubator with these, and in 1-2 months time a complete lung, or portions of these such as an esophagus grown to completions. "
07:52 < kanzure> "When transplanted into a recipient, there is 0% rejection even with foreign basment membranes. An esophagus has been successfully placed into a person using this, with no immune suppression and 0% rejection. An entire lung like this has been placed into multiple mice with the same results. "
07:53 < kanzure> "Japanese groups have formulated these basic membrane components and already shown these can be printed using 3D printers, but sold all patents to Pharma in the US for a couple 100 million $."
07:53 < kanzure> "The veins or vasculature was already accomplished in the 1990's. The main focus is on printing um structures, ie nozzles which are small enough and a method where the fragile things without cells can exist long enough to implement stem cells of varied kinds, and formulations of the three basic basement membrane along with guid chemokines, especially for nerves (hearts for example need a guide for nerves, and to differentiate the 10 or so minutely 
07:54 < kanzure> "What is being done at the administrative level is to prevent 3rd world countries from starting meat markets, where you could go get something done now, before the Euro/US market is allowed to implement such things without damaging the fragile Pharma industry which is worth billions."
07:54 < kanzure> "ie, there preventing some biological terrorism, buying all the patents up and convincing everyone we had to wait 20 years for this to develop, rather than fly to Asia or South Amerika for a surgical procedure over 3 months say for a new, non-rejected heart valve."
07:57 < strangewarp> Well, that's infuriating
07:59 < strangewarp> So, can that be overcome, or is Pharma going to yoke all bioscience to slow-ass progress for capitalist reasons?
08:00 < kanzure> not so much -- if the author is as infuriated as he claims he is (or is in such great need as he claims to be), he wouldn't have sat around doing nothing for 20 years (20 years is more than enough time to learn how to build that equipment0
08:00 < kanzure> )
08:08 < strangewarp> I dunno, certain kinds of fury will just kill a person's willpower
08:12 < kanzure> furry?
08:12 < kanzure> what?
08:32 < kanzure> http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1002780 "130% lifespan increase from combining 4 gene tweaks, including two from zebra fish: hsf-1, D. rerio lyz, aakg-2(sta2) and D. rerio ucp2"
08:35 < strangewarp> fury, as in anger
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09:02 < delinquentme> is there a way to anaonymously host a google document?
09:08 < Utopiah> no, Google is omniscient (I would create another account)
09:16 < delinquentme> kanzure, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18720565
09:16 < delinquentme> yuno tell me you were doing this !?
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09:44 < kanzure> delinquentme: paper-fetching botnet on android? don't look at me :shiftyeyes:
09:45 < delinquentme> soo all we need to do
09:45 < delinquentme> it usurp from the usurpers!
09:45 < delinquentme> all joking aside I think student would voluntarily download and install such a program :D
09:46 < kanzure> i think so brain, but how are we going to convince a chimp to wear makeup?
09:46  * kanzure narfs
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10:03 < brownies> kanzure: http://try.github.com/levels/1/challenges/1
10:07 < kanzure> http://www.vice.com/read/in-the-future-your-drug-dealer-will-be-a-printer
10:07 < kanzure> "Scientists are working on a solution. That solution is 3D printed drugs." ... uhh
10:08 < kanzure> i don't think abs or plastic drugs are a good idea
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10:52 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZR_Racer#FINA_rule_changes <-- that swimsuit that got banned in the olympics
10:52 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius#Dispute_over_prosthetics
10:58 < kanzure> "The combined effects of the LZR both compressing the body and trapping air for buoyancy led to many competitors who used the LZR wearing two or more suits for an increased effect. This led to some claiming that the LZR was in effect "technological doping."[12]"
10:59 < kanzure> technological.. doping. yeah..
11:10 < strangewarp> The only way I can see this hashing out is with a slow global recognition that the Olympics, and all organized sports, are anchored to the idea of the heroic unmodified human body, which since the ancient beginnings of the Olympic tradition was considered an eternal standard.
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11:12 < strangewarp> The Olympics used to have competitions in painting and sculpture, but those had to be phased out, once artistic modernism revealed that the supposedly objective basis by which the artworks were judged was, in fact, narrow and conceited.
11:16 < strangewarp> This is not to say that we should throw away any aspiration towards objectivity; just, recognize that some standards that claim to be objective are instead based on narrow thought from ages past.
11:19 < strangewarp> And if the Olympics can't come up with a decent system to deal with the fact that human bodmods are outmoding their standards, in the same way that artistic modernism forced most of the Olympic arts-related events to be discontinued... they're simply going to be on the wrong side of history
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11:39 < kanzure> brownies: http://www.mashape.com/qpleple/getting-homework-done hrmm do you know about them?
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11:46 < brownies> kanzure: that's hliarious. no, i actually did not know about them... thanks for the link.
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13:05 < brownies> kanzure: wait, is it a joke?
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13:26 < kanzure> brownies: i don't think so
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14:15 < brownies> kanzure: i can't find... anything about how it works, or what the company is, or... anything.
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14:35 < Steel2> hey folks
14:42 < Steel2> man
14:42 < Steel2> I don't know what half the people in here do
14:53 < ThomasEgi> they idle.
15:01 < Mokbortolan_1> I complain a lot
15:01 < Mokbortolan_1> under my breath
15:12 < ThomasEgi> kanzure links a lot.
15:21 < kanzure> i am sorry for that
15:22 < kanzure> i wrote an anti-ray-kurzweil response here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4205002
15:35 < brownies> that article is... wow.
15:37 < brownies> i didn't realize they taught homeopathy at singluarity u?
15:43 < kanzure> also, i've posted pokecrystal to HN and some upvote/comment-love would be nice:
15:43 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4205387
15:52 < kanzure> wtf "October, 2011, Nuance acquired Swype, a company that produces input software for touchscreen displays, for more than $100m"
15:52 < kanzure> (nuance is the company that ended up with kurzweil's textbridge product)
15:53 < kanzure> i didn't know swype was already acquired
15:53 < kanzure> "The acquisition of Philips Speech Recognition Systems sparked an antitrust investigation by the US Department of Justice.[26] This investigation was focused upon medical transcription services. This investigation was closed in December, 2009."
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15:58 < kanzure> "For those readers interested, and who will be at the 2012 Edinburgh Book Festival, an absolute must is the session that will be dedicated to do-it-yourself biology on August the 13th. Panellists are: Alessandro Delfanti from the University of Milan, who has done his PhD (Delfanti 2010) – and who is about to publish a book – on the subject; Ja"
15:58 < kanzure> uhh. delfanti did a diybio phd thesis?
15:59 < kanzure> i guess this was him: http://jcom.sissa.it/archive/09/03/Jcom0903(2010)E/Jcom0903(2010)E.pdf
16:00 < kanzure> "Delfanti, Alessandro (2010) Genome Hackers, rebel biology, open source and science ethic, PhD thesis, University of Milan."
16:00 < kanzure> "Conz, David (2006) Citizen technoscience: Amateur networks in the international grassroots biodiesel movement, PhD thesis, Arizona State University."
16:01 < kanzure> "Kelty, Christopher (2010) ‘Outlaw, hackers, victorian amateurs: diagnosing public participation in the life sciences today’, Jcom 09(1)."
16:02 < kanzure> that reference was from http://esrcgenomicsforum.blogspot.com/2012/07/never-mind-biologists-here-come.html (which doesn't really say much except "OMG WHAT?")
16:03 < kanzure> historical pricing on parts http://octopart.com/blog/archives/2012/7/historical-pricing
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16:05 < kanzure> "laryngeal nerve of the giraffe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0
16:07 < chevbird> Sweet orange jacket
16:10 < kanzure> here is some stuff about delfanti's book: http://people.sissa.it/~delfanti/hacking.html
16:12 < kanzure> his thesis http://www.i-r-i-e.net/inhalt/015/015-Delfanti.pdf ("Genome Hackers, rebel biology, open source and science ethic")
16:13 < kanzure> that's it? only a few pages?
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16:20 < Steel2> sup eudox.
16:21 < eudoxia> yo
16:21 < Steel2> nm
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16:31 < kanzure>  think there needs to be a standard regiment that people put themselves through to determine how their metabolism responds, for diet/nootropics/exercise regiments
16:32 < kanzure> as far as i can tell, most people just pick a random direction and keep trying in that direction until their body flatly tells them how terrible they are
16:32 < kanzure> i wonder if a particular diet plan's effectiveness is heritable within a family?
16:32 < kanzure> this is why i'm always perplexed about most diet plans.. they are always about a particular strategy, like no carbs or no complex carbs or no fats or something, rather than a standard screening to work your body against
16:32 < kanzure> (of course, what you try one week might not be as effective the next week, and so on, but arguably you're not concerned about effects that are that significantly delicate)
16:33 < kanzure> regarding heritability: i mean specifically a particular's diet effectiveness with respect to some set of mutations
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16:49 < brownies> kanzure: probably.
16:52 < kanzure> "Most mad scientists are just mad engineers. Look, I'm just trying to take over the world. That's all... Are you at least going to leave some of the world as a mad control group?" http://static.neatorama.com/images/2008-12/mad-scientist-mad-engineers.jpg
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16:59 < kanzure> hi rmcl
17:15 < jrayhawk> really i am just a mad technician
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17:45 < kanzure> jrayhawk: mad janitor?
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17:53 < ParahSailin> Would any of you possibly know someone who would be good working in a cleanroom, fixing equipment, training undergrads, and doing ordering and payroll to keep our small, but efficient, cleanroom running smoothly?
17:53 < ParahSailin> Mike Hansen has left and the search committee hasn't found anyone qualified who wants to take his place.
17:53 < ParahSailin> Long shot, but I thought I would ask...
17:53 < ParahSailin> Best Regards,
17:53 < ParahSailin> -Bruce
17:53 < ParahSailin> downside, have to live in champaign, IL
17:54 < kanzure> maybe one of the chiopensci people would like that position?
17:57 < ParahSailin> reply address is mems@uiuc.edu
17:57 < ParahSailin> the bruce flachsbart you have corresponded with
17:59 < ParahSailin> feel free to forward it to that list
18:22 < Steel2> my advisors used to work there haha
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18:33 < kanzure> ParahSailin: is he related to the foxo3a friederike flachsbart?
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19:14 < ParahSailin> i dont think so kanzure
19:15 < Steel2> yashgaroth: what's your email?
19:16 < yashgaroth> pm
19:19 < kanzure> who was complaining about editing http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ not being possible?
19:19 < kanzure> eudoxia: you?
19:19 < kanzure> Steel2: or maybe you?
19:21 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: acac6a9 a note on how to register to edit this wiki
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20:15 < delinquentme> I just had a craving for brocoli salad
20:15 < delinquentme> @_o evolution?
20:27 < jrayhawk> You told me to disable anonymous registration, so that probably won't work.
20:27 < jrayhawk> kanzure: ^
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20:33 < kanzure> oh right
20:33 < kanzure> why did we decide to do that?
20:34 < jrayhawk> Don't know, didn't care to ask at the time.
20:34 < jrayhawk> I can fix that, though.
20:35 < kanzure> did we come up with some reason though?
20:35 < kanzure> like spambots?
20:36 < jrayhawk> Beats me. We can always revert.
20:36 < kanzure> well, okay then. anonymous registration is go
20:37  * joshcryer watches for the flood of spammers
20:37 < kanzure> "H+++++ DICKS"
20:38 < kanzure> oops sorry my markov spam model is a little rusty
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21:00 < jrayhawk> Okay, looks to be working. Also: while I doubt you'll do this, never ever create a user with an empty password hash on gnusha.
21:02 < jrayhawk> normally ssh disables that sort of authentication, but it's enabled to get newuser@diyhpl.us working
21:04 < kanzure> i think adduser prevents an empty password?
21:06 < jrayhawk> Yeah. I think useradd and usermod allow you to put in empty values, though.
21:06 < jrayhawk> You'd have to go out of your way to do it.
21:10 < foucist> "H+++++ DICKS"  ftw
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22:54 < kanzure> chezz jj sounds like langton but without the awesome
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23:14 < kanzure> hi yesminister
23:14 < yesminister> howdy
23:17 < kanzure> yesminister: what's up?
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