--- Log opened Sat Jul 07 00:00:01 2012 00:26 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:33 -!- WashIrving [~WashIrvin@110.92.96.91] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:22 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-166-99.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:25 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:29 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:30 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:12 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:34 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:46 < Mokbortolan_> sylph_mako: I think it shows a lot of promise 02:46 < Mokbortolan_> especially hd-tdcs 02:46 < Mokbortolan_> but I think it needs some work to craft it in terms of effectiveness 02:46 < Mokbortolan_> it's certainly more accessible than tMS 02:47 < Mokbortolan_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect 02:47 < Mokbortolan_> do you think that could be done with a 2.4ghz signal? 02:55 < Mokbortolan_> oh 02:55 < Mokbortolan_> here's why: http://www.electro-tech-online.com/electronic-projects-design-ideas-reviews/109686-wifi-based-radar.html 03:05 < Mokbortolan_> might be possible on a particular chip... maybe 03:08 < Mokbortolan_> you know, I'd be a lot happier with these internet hacker people if they'd steal firmware instead of DOS'ing VISA, but that's probably a little selfish 03:10 < Mokbortolan_> the only way a wifi radar/radio would be even remotely possible is if you could get ahold of some DSP source 03:17 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 03:49 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 04:09 < klafka1> hey 04:29 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@206.35.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:02 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-78.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:02 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-78.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:02 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:40 -!- klafka1 is now known as klafka 06:23 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:24 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:33 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:58 < kanzure> "microbe hunter magazine" http://www.microbehunter.com/ the NRA is getting all sorts of wet over this one 06:59 -!- WashIrving [~WashIrvin@110.92.96.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:00 -!- WashIrving [~WashIrvin@110.92.96.91] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:34 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host86-152-7-101.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@host86-152-7-101.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 09:31 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:34 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:45 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-166-99.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 -!- strages_shop [~strages@adsl-98-67-166-99.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:44 -!- strages_shop [~strages@adsl-98-67-166-99.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:53 < kanzure> "Mice genetically derived from two mothers are smaller and live 30 percent longer than normally bred mice. " 10:53 < kanzure> "On this topic, I should point out that I predicted that Rasgrf1 is the most likely culprit for the low body weight and extended lifespan of bi-maternal mice: 10:53 < kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21182853?dopt=Abstract 10:53 < kanzure> More recently Rasgrf1 deficiency was shown to delay aging in mice: 10:53 < kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21422498 10:54 < kanzure> That said, my impression is that these phenotypes are due to alterations in the well-known GH/IGF1 pathway: 10:54 < kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21512206?dopt=Abstract " 10:56 < jrayhawk> countdown until someone immediately assumes longevity in a rodent model will work exactly the same way in humans 10:56 < kanzure> pfft there are many changes to the mouse genome that cause >10% lifespan 10:56 < kanzure> i don't see why you would think this particular one warrants that comment :P 10:57 < kanzure> uh i meant >1.1x lifespan 10:57 < jrayhawk> it's just a dumb thing i see in self-experimentation communities 11:09 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:21 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-72.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@pppdyn-72.stud-ko.rz-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:21 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:23 -!- calango [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:35 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@ip-64-134-238-56.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:52 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-74-76-224-134.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@cpe-74-76-224-134.nycap.res.rr.com] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 12:37 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:43 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 < delinquentme> can someone please explain to me whats going on here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/dansimon/2012/07/06/3-ways-the-higgs-boson-discovery-will-impact-financial-services/ 13:34 < delinquentme> Forbes is posting stuff that sounds like utter bullshit 13:35 < delinquentme> kanzure, 13:35 < delinquentme> nmz not here 13:35 < delinquentme> yash not heeere 13:48 < brownies> it's just pandering horseshit 13:48 < brownies> kind of a new low for Forbes though... i didn't think they engaged in this sort of thing 14:00 < kanzure> .qub 4 14:00 < kanzure> 'dhjdkfadsfa 14:01 < WashIrving> Indeed, kanzure. 14:06 < kanzure> sorry. i've been playing spiderman and now i feel like typing upside down. 14:08 < kanzure> perhaps this should be my ne handicap 14:09 < kanzure> *new 14:10 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@ip-64-134-238-56.public.wayport.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 14:15 < kanzure> i wish there was some way to prevent people from always referencing "Brave New World". 14:15 < kanzure> and by title only 14:15 < kanzure> or, maybe the phrase came first, before the book, in which case the phrase also needs to die a horrible death 14:15 < jrayhawk> well, you really just need to spread the word that genetic determinism has already been disproven 14:17 < kanzure> "it's a brave new world" is cliche by now, right? maybe instead of trying to educate them i can just shame them 14:17 < kanzure> educating people is more difficult 14:20 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21 < jrayhawk> oh, right, brave new world was pre-genetics. hurf durf. 14:22 < chido> it was about the only compulsory read at school that I enjoyed though 14:23 < chido> and didn't the phrase come first? I always thought it did 14:25 < kanzure> well, if the phrase came first, then why does everyone capitalize it? "It's a Brave New World" is surely a reference to the book 14:25 < WashIrving> Shakespeare. 14:25 < WashIrving> Quoted by Savage in the book, ironically. 14:27 < kanzure> maybe i can give these people something else to say, like "that's exciting" which is somewhat more harmless 14:30 < chido> it doesn't have capital letters in it though 14:38 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38 < kanzure> the google results for "it's a brave new world" are not awe-inspiring 14:41 < brownies> yeah, they capitalize it because they're trying to sound literary 14:50 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 -!- calango [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:46 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:50 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:09 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:11 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:11 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 16:13 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:18 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-194-21.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-194-21.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:05 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 < ParahSailin> it's a brave new world is from midsummer's night dream, right? 17:23 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:25 < ThomasEgi> there are like.. 12 songs and 5 albums going by that name, according to wikipedia 17:28 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:29 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:30 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:31 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:33 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@22.67.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:54 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:20 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-76-105-164-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:25 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:07 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:19 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 19:31 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-145-121.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-145-121.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:31 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:32 < ParahSailin> does anyone have experience with surface mount soldering 19:32 < ParahSailin> like, is it possible by hand? 19:34 < ParahSailin> like bga 19:38 < strangewarp> I know it's possible by hand, but it requires very advanced soldering ability, and possibly specialized equipment 19:38 < strangewarp> I'm pretty sure HackADay has made a couple posts about it 19:40 < ThomasEgi> regular SMD parts can be soldered with a steady hand. 19:40 < ThomasEgi> parth that have no exposed leads. such as BGA or LGA require more specialised methods. usualy reflow soldering 19:41 < ThomasEgi> BGA is still somewhat doable, LGA is pretty nasty 19:42 < ThomasEgi> long story short, if the part you wanna solder has pins and can be grebbed with tweezers, you should be able to solder it by hand with some practice and a fine solder tip. 19:43 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:51 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 20:02 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:06 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:06 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 20:10 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:26 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-150-97.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-150-97.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:02 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:08 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:08 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 21:15 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-150-97.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-150-97.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:26 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:26 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:42 < kanzure> if you want to solder smt components by hand you usually need one of those fancypants hands-free magnifying glasses (ok, it's not that fancy i guess) 22:13 -!- jmil [~jmil@resnetfw.une.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:27 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:33 -!- jmil [~jmil@resnetfw.une.edu] has quit [Quit: jmil] 23:17 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Log closed Sun Jul 08 00:00:02 2012