--- Log opened Thu Jul 12 00:00:02 2012
--- Day changed Thu Jul 12 2012
00:00 < nmz787> why the hell did they have a link there?
00:00 < kanzure> nmz787: http://news.ycombinator.com/
00:01 < nmz787> ahh
00:02 < Mokbortolan_> kanzure: in tdcs, why does the anode side cause potentiation and the cathode dampening, and how far does the effect extend into the tissue on both sides?
00:02 < kanzure> dude i don't even understand voltage as a line integral
00:02 < kanzure> the fuck is a electron pressure unit
00:04 < kanzure> i don't know how to visualize that electric field, either
00:04 < kanzure> i imagine some papers might have some useful visualizations?
00:06 < Mokbortolan_> http://neuralengr.com/projects/bio-heat-transfer-model-of-tdcs
00:08 < Mokbortolan_> uhhhh
00:08 < Mokbortolan_> For the 4 X 1 ring (13.58 mA), significant scalp temperature rise of 14.68 °C and a nominal brain temperature rise of 0.55 °C is predicted. 
00:10 < kanzure> Perfectly normal
00:10 < kanzure> *cough*
00:16 < nmz787> opposite of brain freez
00:16 < nmz787> just eat ice cream
00:16 < archels> Mokbortolan_: Over what time length, almost instantaneously as the pulse is applied?
00:17 < rdb> tDCS isn't pulsed
00:17 < rdb> it's applied continuously for 20 minutes or so
00:17 < rdb> with slow ramping up and ramping down
00:17 < archels> right, so the temperature rise refers to the entire interval then
00:17 < rdb> I would assume so
00:18 < archels> ignoring temperature homeostatic mechanisms of the body
00:18 < rdb> Mokbortolan_, as for anode vs cathode: it has to do with folding of the cortex, this indicates the orientation of the neurons
00:19 < rdb> unfortunately there is individual variability here
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00:21 < rdb> cool, people have induced lucid dreaming using tDCS
00:21 < Mokbortolan_> link!
00:21 < rdb> http://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/ld2
00:21 < Mokbortolan_> oh wait.. so.. ok
00:22 < rdb> there are links at bottom
00:22 < Mokbortolan_> from the surface, the neurons reach down into the brain
00:22 < Mokbortolan_> so, the current flowing down into the brain goes down those links
00:23 < Mokbortolan_> and on the other side, the current flowing out, goes UP those links?
00:23 < rdb> not sure
00:24 < rdb> this page has a lot of information about that sort of stuff
00:24 < rdb> http://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs
00:24 < rdb> by the way, the significant temperature rise was at 13.58 mA, which is way higher than you'll ever want to go with tDCS
00:25 < Mokbortolan_> so how do you do the current density calculations with hd-tdcs?
00:25 < Mokbortolan_>  n/m
00:29 < rdb> bbl, breakfast+coffee
00:39 < nmz787> hmm, I might start using lastpass
00:39 < nmz787> depending on if I can find what crypto they use
00:59 < rdb> Mokbortolan_, specifcially 'Orientation of neuronal structures relative to the DC vector that determines the effect of tDCS. spike depend on axonal orientation relative to the electric field vector. Axonal orientation determines whether the DC field is excitatory or inhibitory and dendritic orientation affects the magnitude, but not the overall direction, of the DC effect. These data suggest that tDCS may oppositely affect neurons in a stimulated cor
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08:18 < kanzure> "Mr. Harbisson’s current eyeborg is pressed against the base of his head with extremely high pressure, which allows the sounds to reverberate along his skull to his eardrums. But his new eyeborg, to be implanted in September, will be connected to his body through three screws in his head — two to support the antenna and electronic chip, and a third for the sound to be passed into his skull, which will vibrate with the sound. He expects it will 
08:18 < kanzure> "a surgical implant for seeing colors through sound"
08:19 < kanzure> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/02/a-surgical-implant-for-seeing-colors-through-sound/
08:21 < archels> kanzure: What paper database software do you use?
08:21 < kanzure> "Two years ago, Jacob (then 3) and I built his first computer together. I installed Debian on it, but never put a GUI on the thing. It’s command-line, and has provided lots of enjoyment off and on over the last couple of years. […]"
08:21 < kanzure> "The looks of shock I get from people when I explain, as if it’s perfectly natural, that my child has been able to log in by himself to a Linux shell since age 3, are amusing and astounding. Especially considering that it is really not that hard. Instead of learning how to run an Xbox, he’s learned how to run bash. I like that. […]"
08:21 < kanzure> "At bedtime, Jacob asked me, very seriously: “Dad, how do I start tuxpaint again?” “First you log in and type startx. Then you can use the mouse.” Jacob nods, a contemplative look on his face.. “Then,” I continue, “you type tuxpaint in the terminal, and it comes right up.”"
08:21 < kanzure> "Jacob nodded very seriously a second time, as if committing this very important information to long-term memory."
08:21 < kanzure> archels: just my memory
08:22 < kanzure> archels: some people like mendeley and their proprietaryness
08:22 < archels> no, I would want something that I could run on my local PC (including something web-based)
08:22 < kanzure> mendeley :(
08:23 < archels> but Mendeley's servers are not exactly 127.0.0.1...
08:23 < kanzure> who cares about their servers?
08:23 < kanzure> they have some local software thing
08:23 < archels> It's a local app too?
08:23 < kanzure> that's their primary attraction
08:23 < kanzure> yes
08:24 < kanzure> otherwise nobody would give a fuck
08:24 < archels> Does your suggesting Mendeley imply that you actually used it and liked it?
08:24 < kanzure> i used it and hated it, but in terms of local clients that's all i can think to recommend
08:25 < archels> great :(
08:25 < kanzure> zotero might be worth your time, but it's firefox-only
08:25 < kanzure> endnote probably has a related product, but it's also probably proprietary beyond belief
08:26 < kanzure> http://alternativeto.net/software/mendeley/
08:26 < kanzure> hah, kbibtex
08:27 < kanzure> zotero has some really nice scrapers to turn any academic publisher's abstract page into a full .bib reference
08:27 < kanzure> they are regularly updated when they break
08:28 < kanzure> actually i wonder if zotero has a chrome version these days.. hrm.
08:28 < kanzure> http://www.zotero.org/blog/zotero-standalone-alpha-with-chrome-and-safari-support/
08:29 < kanzure> http://www.zotero.org/support/3.0
08:29 < kanzure> ok try that
08:34 < archels> Maybe what I really want is a database filesystem with tagging options (as some apps on that list more or less do).
08:40 < kanzure> yeah i'm still annoyed about where's my tagging system, it's 2012 already ffs etc etc
08:40 < kanzure> *tagging file system
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08:49 < Sanky> I keep thinking about that
08:54 < kanzure> archels: i'm open to ideas for organizing http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ better
08:55 < kanzure> i tend to take lots of notes, but i've dumped those into git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git recently
08:55 < kanzure> for instance, it would be nice if i had a better way of exposing all my notes on the shit in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity
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10:54 < kanzure> austin would be a lot cooler if the hackerspace would make an actual bat signal
10:55 < kanzure> and turn it on when there's a hackerspace meeting or something
10:55 < kanzure> thanks to weather forecasts this can actually be timed correctly, but noooo
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11:29 < AdrianG_>    "Every facet, every department of your mind, is to be programmed by you; and unless you assume your rightful responsibility, and begin to program your own mind, the world will program it for you."
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12:25 < kanzure> nmz787: in portland?
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13:17 < kanzure> "Phandroid's AndroidForums.com has been hacked. The database that powers the site was compromised and more than 1 million user account details were stolen."
13:18 < kanzure> oh, no public dump
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13:24 < AdrianG> dumped yet?
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13:27 < kanzure> no it just sounds like someone did a drive-by
13:27 < kanzure> very disappointing.
13:28 < AdrianG> i never use real details on any forums.
13:28 < AdrianG> throw-away email, useless password i dont use anywhere else
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13:37 < Mariu> drive-by, lol
13:38 < Mariu> =p
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14:12 < kanzure> wizzra: hi
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15:25 < Steel2> kanzure, do you have that list of Pearce's domain names?
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15:36 < kanzure> Steel2: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/david-pearce-domains.url.txt
15:36 < Steel2> wonder how much he'd charge for some of those
15:36 < kanzure> his policy seems to be "let people use them for free but i get to keep ownership"
15:38 < Steel2> bleh, not safe for branding
15:38 < kanzure> not if your brand is worthless! that's humanityplus.org's strategy.
15:39 < kanzure> (transhumanism.org was always owned by david pearce, even during the world transhumanist association's occupation of the domain)
15:40 < Steel2> humanityprime is open :V
15:41 < kanzure> the first thing that comes to my mind is "startling irrelevance"
15:41 < Steel2> pretty much every domain name does that, but I need something that works with me and isn't terrible
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16:02 < AdrianG> lol david pearce is popular here?
16:02 < AdrianG> holy shit this guy has a million domain names
16:04 < kanzure> no he's not popular
16:05 < kanzure> i tend to dislike him
16:05 < Steel2>  I like talking to him
16:05 < Steel2> but he's not ultra useful
16:05 < kanzure> his pacificst insight hasn't given him the clearvoiyance required to construct this ultimate battle station
16:05 < kanzure> erm, wait, i definitely screwed up that line
16:06 < kanzure> "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortress."
16:07 < kanzure> ahh data tapes
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16:12 < AdrianG> Steel2: how can u talk to him
16:12 < AdrianG> you email him or he ircs on freenode lol?
16:12 < Steel2> facebook
16:13 < AdrianG> oic
16:13 < AdrianG> why does he not irc
16:13 < AdrianG> sick bastard
16:13 < Steel2> who would he irc with?
16:13 < AdrianG> ive only read his psychopharmacology graphomania.
16:13 < Steel2> all of his generation of H+ers don't
16:13 < AdrianG> Steel2: wit aspies
16:13 < AdrianG> liak him
16:14 < Steel2> I have no idea what you're trying to say
16:14 < AdrianG> me neither
16:14 < AdrianG> im just hitting random keys to see if it would make a meaningful sentence
16:15 < AdrianG> i am surprised we've gone this far
16:15 < kanzure> "I also think that China should admit it has 1.8 billion people, and not pretend that it has 1.399 billion, just so that, if it wants to kill 400 million people, in addition to all those Falun Gong it's been using as an organ farm, it doesn't have to make as many excuses."
16:16 < kanzure> haha what
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16:35 < kanzure> markdown editor in javascript http://oscargodson.github.com/EpicEditor/
16:37 < Sanky> neato, though I'm still not sure if I'm entirely happy with markdown
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16:37 < Sanky> I should look up and compare alternatives
16:38 < kanzure> how about html.
16:38 < Sanky> gee, I dunno
16:39 < Sanky> well, /i/ don't mind writing html manually as much as most people seem to, but that's for one offs
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17:01 < kanzure> b=32>c||122<c?b+"~":b+String.fromCharCode(c)
17:01 < kanzure> so let's see. i thought this would be if 32 <= c <= 122 then b+=String.fromCharCode(c) but it seems to not work out this way
17:03 < Sanky> note to self: trying to runn chromium with a profile accessed with sftp over a 20kbps connection isn't very bright
17:03 < kanzure> if ((c < 32) || (c > 122)) { b += "~" } seems to be a more sensible way to write that
17:21 < kanzure> a = /(https?:\/\/[^:]+)/gi.exec(b);
17:21 < kanzure> lessee.. what is the [^:]+ doing here?
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17:26 < kanzure> it seems to be splitting until the next ":" character (but in context this doesn't make sense)
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17:48 < eudoxia> so this david pearce fellow sure has a lot of domain names
17:50 < kanzure> he runs a web hosting company
17:51 < eudoxia> so has his BLTC thingee done anything?
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18:00 < AdrianG> yes.
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18:10 < kanzure> hrmm so i talked with this guy http://www.in10did.com/ who seems to be doing a chorded keyboard
18:10 < kanzure> 10 keys, 30 wpm.. dunno if that helps or hurts things
18:10 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1780168636/mobile-touch-typing-with-a-simple-chord-keyboard
18:12 < kanzure> mitch seems to be $36k short on http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/maltman23/neurodreamer-sleep-mask-0?ref=history
18:23 < kanzure> "An average professional typist reaches 50 to 80 wpm, while some positions can require 80 to 95 wpm (usually the minimum required for dispatch positions and other typing jobs), and some advanced typists work at speeds above 120 wpm.[4][5] "
18:24 < kanzure> so if an "average professional typist" types 80 wpm, does that make me a double professional?
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18:36 < brownies> kanzure: i'm slowly getting addicted to typeracer.com =/
18:37 < kanzure> your arms will thank me
18:37 < kanzure> s/thank/hate
18:38 < brownies> indeed
18:38 < brownies> i seem to be stuck at a sad 130wpm =(
18:39 < kanzure> is that an average or a max
18:44 < AdrianG> how fast do u type kaz
18:44 < AdrianG> kanzure:
18:44 < kanzure> AdrianG: http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure
18:44 < AdrianG> :o
18:44 < AdrianG> zomg rly
18:45 < AdrianG> well...not quite 200 bpm...
18:45 < AdrianG> but close
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18:59 < brownies> kanzure: averaged out
18:59 < brownies> maxed at 160ish
18:59 < brownies> but i only made an account today, so we'll see
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19:30 < kanzure> hi Lemminkainen
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19:35 < kanzure> lichen: nmz787 is in your area for the next day or something
19:42 < Mokbortolan_> he needs to go to robotaco
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19:50 < AdrianG> wat is dat
19:50 < AdrianG> Mokbortolan_: r u the founder of nootropics chat
19:52 < Lemminkainen> hi hanzure
19:56 < kanzure> http://jsbeautifer.org/ to the rescue
20:03 < Lemminkainen> I prefer https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs/
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20:25 < Mokbortolan_> AdrianG: yep
20:32 < Mokbortolan_> anybody know where I can get 2-3" metal gears with lots of little teeth?
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21:15 < AdrianG> have a few guys from linuxcnc cut them for you
21:15 < AdrianG> what metal do you need, specs?
21:18 < ParahSailin_> mithril?
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21:23 < AdrianG_> oh nootropics too eh
21:23 < AdrianG_> whats this chat stance on methamphetamine use for productivity
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21:26 < ParahSailin_> regular amphetamine is adequate
21:26 < ParahSailin_> meth is just a bit much
21:29 < kanzure> i haven't heard from a meth user on that topic yet
21:30 < kanzure> off to erowid!
21:31 < ParahSailin_> its my understanding that methamphetamine is simply more potent
21:32 < kanzure> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.cgi?S1=37&S2=-1&C1=-1&Str=
21:41 < AdrianG> ParahSailin_: you are wrong
21:41 < AdrianG> methamphetamine is more potent on mg/mg because it penetrates BBB better.
21:41 < AdrianG> and you can achieve better CSF levels with lower doses, so fewer peripheral effects.
21:42 < AdrianG> lol wow so many reports
21:42 < AdrianG> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=15361
21:43 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: i guess day 4 here http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26181
21:44 < AdrianG> lol staying up 4 days
21:44 < AdrianG> wat a retard
21:44 < AdrianG> in conclusion: meth fo lyfe
21:45 < AdrianG> anyway, anyone figured out a cheap way to synth nootropics yet
21:46 < kanzure> here's one on desoxyn as an adderall replacement http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=15361
21:46 < AdrianG> desoxyn > adderall
21:46 < AdrianG> in every way imaginable
21:46 < AdrianG> the only reason its not scripted is because of the stigma
21:47 < AdrianG> and they dont make graduments anymore :<
21:48 < AdrianG> http://addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=bd8e790de8eba41d39b57ccb938a4312&t=113344
21:48 < AdrianG> This stuff comes in a sealed bottle. The pharmacist wrote "METH" on the lid with a sharpie. Too funny!
21:48 < AdrianG> i lol'd
21:50 < kanzure> "It's still $100 for a 100 5 mg." man that's cheaper than what i'm getting.
21:50 < kanzure> oops, nope. "The price for generic in Southern California ranges between $320 and $380, while the Desoxyn brand costs between $490 to $545 (100 tablets)."
21:51 < kanzure> i bet it would be cheaper to do a synthesis startup than that
21:52 < kanzure> "All you want is something that makes a day feel like a DAY, like where you think up stuff and then actually do that stuff, and develop TASKS that extend and get finished in the coming weeks and months...."
21:53 < kanzure> haha
22:10 < AdrianG> once a pharmacist told me "have a nice trip" and chuckled
22:10 < AdrianG> yes desoxyn prices are retarded.
22:10 < AdrianG> its much easier to buy street meth srsly
22:10 < kanzure> ah so you're prescribed it?
22:10 < AdrianG> is it legal to buy street meth if you have a prescription?
22:11 < AdrianG> kanzure: used to, but i live in canada now, we dont have pharma meth :<
22:11 < AdrianG> technically can be imported, but its a headache and a half
22:11 < kanzure> i'm not entirely sure what happens if you put your drugs in a standard container and print out your own label
22:11 < kanzure> if you have a prescription, and you have something that looks "official", it's not as questionable i guess
22:11 < AdrianG> posession would be entirely legal, you are prescribed
22:12 < AdrianG> actually in canada nobody is going to give two fucks about your personal use
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22:13 < kanzure> "Prescription fraud and forgery"
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22:13 < AdrianG> why?
22:13 < AdrianG> you didnt forge anything
22:14 < AdrianG> you just gave your rx slip to a street pharmacist lol
22:14 < AdrianG> lol
22:14 < AdrianG> wouldnt it be hilarious to give a dealer your prescription
22:14 < AdrianG> its a theoretical concern. too dangerous in the US i'd guess
22:14 < kanzure> no i mean that they would probably claim prescription fraud (not having your prescription fulfilled by an authorized institution)
22:14 < kanzure> see, when your doc writes a prescription, a copy goes to the state
22:14 < kanzure> some state enforcement agency
22:15 < kanzure> and if the pharmacy doesn't transmit back the other copy, blah blah blah
22:15 < AdrianG> oh right
22:15 < AdrianG> the US has triplicate scripts for that lol
22:15 < AdrianG> and they cant be phoned in
22:15 < kanzure> oh i see "Presenting a forged prescription constitutes the crime of prescription fraud"
22:15 < AdrianG> i just had dexamp phoned in last week
22:16 < AdrianG> take that america
22:17 < kanzure> oh man, oxygen is by prescription only?
22:17 < AdrianG> yep
22:17 < AdrianG> we are all violating it right now lol
22:18 < AdrianG> your own hormones are only by rx.
22:18 < AdrianG> zomg somebody notify the HPTA axis quick
22:18 < AdrianG> its retarded.
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23:05 < AdrianG> ok junkies
23:05 < AdrianG> i r baq
23:16 < AdrianG> is anyone following histogen?
23:16 < AdrianG> http://www.histogen.com/applications/hsc.htm
23:17 < kanzure> "Changing lives... for our own amusement"
23:17 < kanzure> alright then
23:23 < AdrianG> wat
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23:36 < Lemminkainen> AdrianG: what's your interest there?
23:36 < AdrianG> they are growing body parts, in a way
23:37 < kanzure> uhuh
23:37 < AdrianG> or stimulate your body to grow its own.
23:37 < AdrianG> an interesting approach
23:37 < kanzure> <troll>they should use jmil's tissue printer</troll>
23:39 < Lemminkainen> kanzure aight then
23:39 < Lemminkainen> how would you do better?
23:40 < kanzure> well, for one, by working on open source hardware and reprap you are accelerating the availability of hardware to other developers
23:40 < kanzure> so, i think that is inherently better
23:40 < kanzure> unless you found that a fault of his work
23:41 < Lemminkainen> kanzure I mean wrt Histogen
23:41 < kanzure> oh, i don't know them yet
23:41 < kanzure> haven't met those guys
23:42 < Lemminkainen> regardless, to hope that biotech will be open-source going forward is quite a fool's errand
23:43 < kanzure> i believe i said nothing about hope
23:43 < kanzure> but i will also readily admit that i am a great fool, perhaps the biggest
23:44 < kanzure> Lemminkainen: who are you?
23:44 < Lemminkainen> I am Lemminkainen
23:44 < Lemminkainen> professional bastard
23:44 < kanzure> software person? biologist?
23:44 < Lemminkainen> formally educated in biotech with a focus on immunology
23:44 < Lemminkainen> but I build robots and servers to buy food
23:45 < kanzure> cool
23:45 < kanzure> i need sleep, but perhaps i can distract you with http://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer#readme or something
23:45  * kanzure sleeps
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