--- Log opened Thu Jul 26 00:00:19 2012 00:01 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:07 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 00:17 < jrayhawk> not sure what papers are being referred to, here, but vitamin d is proooobably the biggest micronutrient deficiency in the united states 00:17 < jrayhawk> especially since lab ranges are just plain wrong 00:26 < jrayhawk> when i say "biggest" i mean in terms of problems caused 00:30 -!- augur is now known as GeorgeKitty 00:31 -!- GeorgeKitty is now known as augur 00:32 < jrayhawk> i supplement with high-dose vitamin d and i am happy to say the only time i've gotten a cold in the past eighteen months was when i crashed my immune system with cortisol and didn't sleep for four days 00:34 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:34 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:35 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:38 < nmz7871> hmm, how do you know you're deficient? 00:49 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@39.19.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:25 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@39.19.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@39.19.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:51 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@39.19.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01 -!- AdrianG_ [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:04 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:07 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@39.19.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:24 < nmz7871> kanzure: you up? 02:28 < nmz7871> kanzure: on cmd line this works echo \"n\" | ffmpeg -i 'videoFile' 'videoFile.mp3' 02:29 < nmz7871> but in a script it just echoes the n | ffmpeg... 02:29 < nmz7871> kanzure: where the script line is cclive $1 $2 "$3" -f best --exec "echo \"n\" | ffmpeg -i '%f' '%f.mp3'" 02:53 -!- exiff [~blue@unaffiliated/exiff] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:05 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@ulmg-5d8445f6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:13 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@107.51.250.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:45 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@39.19.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:25 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@ulmg-5d8445f6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: systems shutting down_shin-to is entering sleepmode] 05:09 -!- Utopiah [~utopiah@unaffiliated/utopiah] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:09 -!- Utopiah [~utopiah@rps7452.ovh.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:35 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:56 < kanzure> nmz787: you wanted echo -e "\n" 05:58 < kanzure> http://geneticlab.h19.ru/pribor/pcramp.php 05:58 < kanzure> (another pcr device) 06:35 -!- nathaniel_ [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:38 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:49 < kanzure> the hokuto no ken game looks okay.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roCM8tX7yHU 07:00 -!- nathaniel_ is now known as nathaniel 07:09 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@81-231-85-111-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:38 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39 < ParahSailin> kanzure: you have access to this? http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4473031&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4473031 07:40 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:43 < kanzure> ParahSailin: can you give me the non-login url 07:43 < kanzure> i don't feel like urldecoding that 07:45 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@dsl092-168-049.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:45 < ParahSailin> i dont understand 07:46 < kanzure> if i have access, loading the login page isn't going to help -_- 07:46 < kanzure> tp=&arnumber=4473031&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4473031 07:46 < kanzure> that has a uri-encoded url in it 07:46 < kanzure> to the actual page 07:46 < kanzure> and i'm saying i'm too lazy to properize it 07:47 < kanzure> the real url that you want to ask me about is http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=4473031 see? 07:49 < ParahSailin> is there an easier way than to look up the ascii char table? 07:50 < kanzure> you can google around for "uri decode" 07:50 < kanzure> usually there's a random stupid form 07:51 < kanzure> or you can browse to javascript:alert(uriDecode("http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D4473031")) i think 07:51 < kanzure> oops i mean decodeURI 07:53 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:55 < ybit> anyone of you recall the site for automated mario touraments? 07:55 < kanzure> ybit: tas? 07:55 < ybit> link? 07:56 < ybit> ycombinator has temporarily disallowed access to old articles and there doesn't seem to be an archive of ycomb anywhere 07:56 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Diffie-Hellman%20technique%20-%20extended%20to%20multiple%20two-party%20keys%20and%20one%20multi-party%20key.pdf 07:56 < kanzure> ybit: http://tasvideos.org/ ? 07:56 < ParahSailin> thanks 07:57 < ybit> nope 07:57 < ybit> it's an actual tournament between mario bots 07:57 < ybit> found it 07:57 < ybit> http://www.marioai.org/ 08:01 < kanzure> brownies: http://www.appbrain.com/stats/libraries/details/phonegap/phonegap 08:02 < kanzure> i think the appbrain guys are on HN 08:02 < kanzure> they seem to be doing library analysis on .apk files 08:20 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:22 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:28 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:08 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:17 < delinquentme> "<3"*88 09:49 -!- archels [~foo@unaffiliated/archels] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54 -!- exiff [~blue@unaffiliated/exiff] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:00 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Changing host] 10:37 -!- archels [~foo@unaffiliated/archels] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:48 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- AdrianG_ is now known as AdrianG 11:20 -!- exiff [~blue@unaffiliated/exiff] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:36 < kanzure> ehh.. "The new National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences at the National Institutes of Health will oversee $70 million in grants over five years to help develop tissue-chip culture systems for drug screening" 11:39 < AdrianG> wtf 11:39 < AdrianG> tissue chip? 11:39 < AdrianG> implantable? 11:41 < kanzure> no 11:41 < AdrianG> wats a tissue chip 11:41 < kanzure> well, you implant tissue into it.. 11:42 < kanzure> presumably to test shit on it 11:43 < AdrianG> oic 11:58 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- jmil [~jmil@SEASNet-148-05.seas.upenn.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 12:00 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:150c:f1bb:dac7:de44] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:15 < kanzure> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/toomanytabs-saves-your-memory/ 12:16 < kanzure> "To SPEED UP your Firefox, when a tab is added to TMT, it is unloaded from browser and its tab state & history are stored in TMT. When you click on a tab, the tab is opened again from disk cache, with tab state & history restored if available." 12:16 < superkuh> Or "Tab Vault" in Opera. 12:16 < kanzure> how does it work in opera? 12:16 < superkuh> I don't know the details. 12:18 < kanzure> "Click Save Tab to store the current tab in the vault. Click on a saved tab to open it in a new tab, or click the X on the right to send it to Tab Vault's trash. Ctrl + click on a tab to open it in the background or drag the tab onto the web page to open it in the current page." 12:18 < kanzure> http://my.opera.com/spadija/blog/tab-vault 12:18 < kanzure> eww clicking :( 12:19 < kanzure> it would be nice if it would automatically move tabs into bookmarks, and then de-cache whenever i poke at them 12:20 < kanzure> i should make an update to it and call it notenoughtabs 12:20 < kanzure> fuck "too many" tabs. 12:26 -!- jmil [~jmil@2607:f470:8:3148:150c:f1bb:dac7:de44] has quit [Changing host] 12:26 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:27 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 12:28 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:46 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 < foucist> i want to get rid of both bookmarks & also tabs to some extent.. it would make more sense to have tabs unloaded from memory over time but the content & title remains searchable 12:57 < foucist> a version of lifelogging, except based on your browsing 12:57 < foucist> so you can grep your way to that page you saw a year ago with that quote 12:58 < foucist> or talking about that fancy gizmo that you can't recall the name of, but you recall the function 13:00 < foucist> it would also help to be able to easily wean out pages you definitely don't want to keep around 13:01 < foucist> probably build a personalized blacklist 13:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 < brownies> kanzure: intriguing 13:23 < brownies> foucist: pinboard.in 13:34 -!- nmz787_ [~androirc@107.51.250.128] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:35 < nmz787_> Kanzure is there a tab unloader/archiver for chrome? 13:36 < nmz787_> I like the idea of unloadin tabs from mem and archiving them to retrieve later, but dont use firefox or opera much these days 13:46 < kanzure> brownies: pinboard is hardly the same thing as tabs 13:47 < brownies> kanzure: well he wants to grep his bookmarks 13:47 < brownies> kanzure: as for tabs, yeah, i don't know. 13:48 < kanzure> for a while i was storing bookmarks as flatfiles but it just takes too much effort 13:49 < kanzure> i think kliiptttt is on the right track with being able to follow collections of links, and the original author is able to update the collection on a regular basis 13:51 < kanzure> "The connectome of a decision-making neural network." 13:51 < kanzure> "The Einstein scientists solved the structure of the male worm's neural mating circuits by developing software that they used to analyze serial electron micrographs that other scientists had taken of the region." 13:51 < brownies> that's interesting, but they have terrible spelling, i'm not signing up to a service just for that, and i'm pretty sure pinboard lets you follow someone's RSS feed of bookmarks anyway 13:51 < kanzure> "They found that male mating requires 144 neurons – nearly half the worm's total number – and their paper describes the connections between those 144 neurons and 64 muscles involving some 8,000 synapses." 13:51 < kanzure> "We can see that the structure of this network has spatial characteristics that help explain how it exerts neural control over the multi-step decision-making process involved in mating." 13:51 < kanzure> " In addition to determining how the neurons and muscles are connected, Dr. Emmons and his colleagues for the first time accurately measured the weights of those connections, i.e., an estimate of the strength with which one neuron or muscle communicates with another." 13:52 < kanzure> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/337/6093/437.abstract 13:52 < kanzure> "The synaptic connections, both chemical and gap junctional, form a neural network with four striking features: multiple, parallel, short synaptic pathways directly connecting sensory neurons to end organs; recurrent and reciprocal connectivity among sensory neurons; modular substructure; and interneurons acting in feedforward loops." 13:54 -!- WashIrving [~WashIrvin@110.92.96.113] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:55 < kanzure> paper: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/The%20connectome%20of%20a%20decision-making%20neural%20network%20in%20C.%20elegans%20reconstructed%20from%20serial%20electron%20micrograph%20sections%20-%202012.pdf 14:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:05 -!- nmz787_ [~androirc@107.51.250.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06 -!- nmz787_ [~androirc@107.51.250.128] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@107.51.250.128] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 -!- nmz787__ [~androirc@107.51.250.128] has quit [Client Quit] 14:10 -!- nmz787_ [~androirc@107.51.250.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- WashIrving [~WashIrvin@110.92.96.113] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:44 < delinquentme> hey anyone in here who does contract work 14:44 < delinquentme> what do you bill at 14:47 < kanzure> i am billing $150-$175/hour these days. 14:48 < kanzure> i think jrayhawk does $60/hour, and Mokbortolan_ does $70something/hour 14:48 < kanzure> brownies does at least $150/hour, but he probably doesn't want to do anything 14:50 < delinquentme> any of these for rails work? 14:50 < kanzure> yes 14:51 < delinquentme> what separates out your 150 from the 175 14:52 < kanzure> sometimes it's whether or not i want to do the work 14:52 < delinquentme> ALSO Im about to sign a contract and they've offered to let me include any legal for protections on my robots and hardware 14:53 < delinquentme> so I'm kind of interested to know if theres a simple way I can do that 14:53 < kanzure> are you building them robots? 14:53 < delinquentme> nah 14:53 < kanzure> then why would the contract say anything about robtos? 14:53 < delinquentme> but I am going software and UI work for both 14:53 < delinquentme> this is true. 14:55 < kanzure> a good way to do that is to have your lawyer look over it. 14:55 < kanzure> in fact, it's the only way. 14:55 < brownies> what do you mean, "your" robots and hardware? 14:55 < brownies> i adjust my rate depending on the client's desperation and how much i want to do the work 14:56 < kanzure> brownies: my litmus test is this: if i'm CSS tweaking for ie5 for hours- like 10 hours in a row- am i going to feel like murdering people at $X/hour? if yes, then increase the rate. 14:56 < brownies> yeah, it comes down to how shitty the work is and how much other interesting work i already have going 14:57 < kanzure> even at $150/hour it's super disappointing 14:57 < kanzure> like, okay, i've made this amazing layout in 10 hours 14:57 < brownies> it always is 14:57 < kanzure> and i just killed a part of my brain 14:57 < delinquentme> brownies, so kanzure made a solid point that I'm not going to be making anything electrical or mechanical for them 14:57 < kanzure> and all i get is a shitty $1,500? 14:57 < delinquentme> as its purely a software gig 14:57 < brownies> "i had to deal with your idiotic requirements for THAT long, and that's all the money you're giving me?" 14:57 < brownies> delinquentme: that doesn't answer my question... 14:58 < delinquentme> I guess I need more specifics? 14:58 < brownies> if it's IP-related, i feel like "ask a lawyer" is going to be where we end up anyway. 14:58 < kanzure> you can possibly paste the terms 14:58 < delinquentme> fack 14:58 < delinquentme> yeah i dont have them yet 14:58 < kanzure> and we can laugh at you and tell you why it sucks and why you should get a lawyer. 14:58 < delinquentme> and they want me working asap 14:58 < delinquentme> lol 14:58 < brownies> rofl 14:58 < delinquentme> are they any lawyers who will bill over a 3 month period? 14:58 < brownies> never start work before signing 14:59 < delinquentme> ok 14:59 < kanzure> and even once you sign, it's ok to not work immediately -_- 14:59 < delinquentme> ... 14:59 < delinquentme> what should I be doing after its signed? 14:59 < kanzure> shower, or something 14:59 < delinquentme> Also they've given me the option to do this per project or hourly 14:59 < brownies> waiting for the deposit to come in 14:59 < delinquentme> hahah 14:59 < kanzure> brownies: yep 15:00 < delinquentme> the deposit? 15:00 < delinquentme> on you starting work? 15:00 < kanzure> oh dear 15:00 < delinquentme> your "signing bonus"? 15:00 < kanzure> is this a w2 or a contracting gig? 15:00 < brownies> you may have already lost the opportunity to demand such things by projecting your noobness 15:01 < delinquentme> So its this academic gig with 3/4ths year working and 1/4ths for "research" 15:01 < kanzure> why is this a contract? 15:01 < brownies> but in general the "right" way to do things is hourly with a specified rate $Y, a specified max # of hours you're willing to commit, and a starting deposit of $X against which you'll bill the first X/Y hours 15:01 < brownies> there was a 4th thing but i'm blanking on it atm... you'll sort it out. hopefully. 15:01 < delinquentme> but they've got a startup whos needing the work 15:02 < brownies> oh, payment terms, duh. 15:02 < delinquentme> which is using the universitys IP 15:02 < kanzure> honestly this sounds more like employment to me 15:02 < brownies> whom is your contract with? 15:02 < brownies> yeah, true. 15:02 < delinquentme> so " Global Change Solutions " 15:02 < kanzure> if it's a university then i would talk with their employment office 15:02 < delinquentme> is the company 15:02 < brownies> rofl 15:03 < delinquentme> and University of Urbana Champagne is the university 15:03 < kanzure> "global change solutions" has scam written all over it 15:03 < delinquentme> so the head researcher has a startup for crop modeling 15:03 < brownies> well, UI-UC is a fine place, why don't you go talk to some wise people over there 15:03 < brownies> he's a professor there? 15:03 < delinquentme> hes Evan H. DeLucia 15:03 < delinquentme> G. William Arends Professor of Integrative Biology 15:03 < delinquentme> Director, School of Integrative Biology 15:03 < delinquentme> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 15:03 < delinquentme> is the dude 15:04 < brownies> heh, ok 15:04 < kanzure> those titles are 100% meaningless to you btw 15:04 < brownies> so, i am not a lawyer, etc 15:04 < brownies> but it's most likely the case that him using the university's IP is not something that affects your contract 15:04 < delinquentme> go ahead 15:05 < delinquentme> so what I was told was that the university has a 60k cap on the position 15:05 < brownies> you're signing with his corporation, which has a pile of IP that they've negotiated rights to use -- somehow -- and you'll be working with that. 15:05 < kanzure> 60k cap on a rails job? 15:05 < delinquentme> so he wants to pay me from the company $$ to make up the difference 15:06 < brownies> good god man 15:06 < delinquentme> thick legal? 15:06 < brownies> identify one person (or entity) who is going to pay you 15:06 < brownies> if they get that money from the university, or from divine intervention, or from a dancing monkey on the side of the street, it doesn't matter 15:07 < delinquentme> part is university 15:07 < delinquentme> part is private BP money 15:07 < kanzure> there's absolutely no way you can pull this off without a lawyer 15:08 < brownies> what part of "one" suggested to you there should be two -_- 15:08 < brownies> i guess you could make it work with two, given that the university is unlikely to actually stiff you 15:09 < delinquentme> do univs have these steadfast rules? 15:09 < kanzure> but then there's also tax implications 15:09 < delinquentme> what part of "one" suggested to you there should be two -_- << i dont follow? 15:09 < delinquentme> two payment sources? 15:09 < kanzure> i guess you might be a contractor for the university too, but i doubt it 15:10 < kanzure> 15:06 < brownies> identify one person (or entity) who is going to pay you 15:10 < brownies> this is just overly complicated, and, until you have a contract in front of you, we're all just wildly hypothesizing about too many variables 15:10 < brownies> delinquentme: why don't you check back once they've actually given you a contract to sign 15:19 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19 < kanzure> huh... "That's an oversimplification of Google's approach to mass creation of pages vis-a-vis organic SEO. Google will let (many) pages that would never appear in the main results appear in AdWords ads as long as one's credit card doesn't get declined. (There are things Google disapproves of in landing pages, but "having lots of landing pages" is not one of them.)" 15:19 < kanzure> well that's interesting. i hadn't thought about that. 15:19 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:40 < delinquentme> brownies, do you strictly do contract work? 15:40 < delinquentme> or are you w2 elsewhere 15:49 < kanzure> brownies runs a highly profitable startup in SF that's raised over $100 million 16:06 < jrayhawk> holy moses 16:10 < delinquentme> whats the startup? 16:10 < delinquentme> WEBPAGE 16:10 < kanzure> ... in his head. 16:11 < kanzure> oh fuck i think i just broke my foot tripping over something while i was laughing maniacally 16:12 < kanzure> it's not blue so i think i'm fine. 16:13 < Mokbortolan_> delinquentme: I'm a windows admin 16:13 < Mokbortolan_> I do 40hr/wk, 3-12mo contracts 16:15 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:15 < delinquentme> kanzure, thats mean. 16:15 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:39 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:09 < brownies> he's lying 17:10 < brownies> anyway, contract work + various projects of my own 17:10 < kanzure> i said "in his head" 17:10 < kanzure> :P 17:11 < AlonzoTG> om 17:12 * AlonzoTG has been Excommunicated from the local transhumanist/singularitarian meetup called "Advanced Technology Network" But I'm 99.3% certain that I've determined the top-secret location of the next meeting and is now trying to decide whether to crash the party. 17:13 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 < delinquentme> yu banned?? 17:19 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:19 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 17:20 < kanzure> because he thinks they are all out to murder him. 17:20 < AlonzoTG> y 17:20 < AlonzoTG> =\ 17:20 < AlonzoTG> cuz I got into an e-mail argument with the founder who hasn't shown up for any meetings in months...) 17:21 < AlonzoTG> I had previously gone off on another member's meeting proposal for being lame. 17:21 < delinquentme> http://www.gizmag.com/antimatter-starship/23345/ 17:21 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 < delinquentme> “Schwinger pair production." 17:23 * AlonzoTG should do the acceleration calculations: how much acceleration would you get for putting 4 * 10^7 horsepower behind a 5 * 10^5 metric ton starship... 17:24 < yashgaroth> space horses or terrestrial? 17:24 < AlonzoTG> .... 17:25 < AlonzoTG> Here's a trick question: what is the most potent weapon on the starship Enterprise? 17:26 < kanzure> human brains? 17:26 < yashgaroth> space horses 17:27 < AlonzoTG> The engines. 17:27 < AlonzoTG> specifically the space-time warp. 17:27 < AlonzoTG> If you think about it, there's very little you couldn't do with the ability to bend space-time. 17:30 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@107.51.250.128] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:31 < AlonzoTG> Star trek is about avoiding the use of awesome destructive power, 17:31 < AlonzoTG> But a warp-capable starship has about half a dozen different ways it can wipe your pathetic little planet off the map. 17:36 < strangewarp> It's fictional though, so it can only destroy fictional planets, which means it's only as powerful as me 17:37 < delinquentme> strangewarp, yess but how powerful is your imaginashin 17:38 < delinquentme> oh man i've been staring for a looonggg ass time 17:43 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 17:52 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@107.51.250.128] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- nmz7871 is now known as nmz787_ 17:55 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@107.51.250.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:56 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:14 < ParahSailin__> the deflector shield 18:20 -!- exiff [~blue@unaffiliated/exiff] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:31 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:31 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:31 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:55 < kanzure> tyler emerson is spamming everyone :( 18:58 < nmz787_> who? 18:58 < kanzure> the guy who stole money from siai 19:15 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:16 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:25 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:34 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:52 < nmz787_> kanzure: you around? 19:52 -!- nmz787_ is now known as nmz787 19:52 < kanzure> sorta 19:52 < nmz787> adding echo -e didnt help 19:52 < klafka1> hey guys 19:52 < klafka1> http://discoproject.org/ 19:52 < klafka1> ever hear of this? 19:52 < kanzure> echo -e "\n" 19:52 < klafka1> this is fucking rad 19:52 < nmz787> exec still isn't interpreting the | 19:52 < kanzure> paste it 19:53 < nmz787> cclive $1 $2 "$3" -f best --exec "echo -e \"n\" | avconv -i %f %f.mp3" # --exec "rm -f '%f'" 19:55 < kanzure> no 19:55 < kanzure> -e \"\\n\" 19:58 < nmz787> i'm not trying to send a newline 19:58 < nmz787> just the character n 19:58 < nmz787> because avconv doesn't have a -n option for don't overwrite (though -y for always overwrite exists) 19:59 < jrayhawk> --exec probably doesn't use a subshell 20:00 < jrayhawk> Unfortunately you'll probably need to --exec 'bash -c "blah blah blah"' 20:00 < jrayhawk> You can probably also echo -n | cclive --exec avconv 20:01 < jrayhawk> since I don't think cclive has any reason to open stdin. 20:01 < nmz787> how can I store the command string as a variable, to pass to sh -c? 20:01 < nmz787> cmd1="echo -e \"n\" | avconv -i $0 $0.mp3" 20:02 < nmz787> then something like cclive $1 $2 "$3" -f best --exec "sh -c $cmd1 %f" 20:02 < jrayhawk> ugh, that involves working out bashes horrible escaping rules 20:02 < jrayhawk> s/bashes/bash's 20:02 < jrayhawk> just a second, i will come up with something definitive 20:03 < nmz787> i can try echo n | cclive 20:05 < nmz787> yeah that worked 20:05 < nmz787> it would be nice to know the bash escaping stuff though 20:05 < jrayhawk> also 'avconv < /dev/null' has the same effect as 'echo n | avconv' 20:05 < nmz787> that was my natural inclination and I banged my head for a while 20:05 < nmz787> :P 20:05 < nmz787> how does that have the same effect? 20:06 < nmz787> n vs nothing being streamed? 20:06 < jrayhawk> n is the default behavior, so anything will work that way 20:06 < jrayhawk> 'echo | avconv' also works 20:07 < nmz787> hmm, well I can now download and convert youtube to mp3 from a GET request 20:07 < nmz787> pretty sweet 20:08 < nmz787> and not worry about overwriting if I somehow request multiple times (or some bot finds the URL and tries spamming it :P) 20:08 < jrayhawk> and no, do not try to learn bash's terrible escaping rules for variables 20:08 < jrayhawk> that way madness lies 20:08 < nmz787> hah 20:11 < kanzure> n 20:11 < kanzure> nnn 20:11 < jrayhawk> are you declaring victory over your keyboard 20:12 < kanzure> nnnnnnnjm hb m' 20:12 < kanzure> ughhh 20:22 < jrayhawk> I think youtube in particular is using aac for everything, so if you want to avoid data loss, you should probably use avconv -acodec copy -i %f %f.aac 20:22 < nmz787> hmm 20:23 < nmz787> yeah some of the mp3s are bigger than the videos 20:36 < nmz787> anyway to find a duplicate file of this? http://rapidshare.com/files/7550012/Snagglepuss.zip 20:37 < nmz787> from this link originally http://dartmansworldofwonder.blogspot.com/2006/07/heavans-to-emerald-city-wizards-and.html 20:38 < yashgaroth> what the 20:40 < kanzure> am i deranged enough to drive 40 miles to get a keyboard 20:40 < kanzure> oh maybe i can repurpose a sucky key instead 20:41 < nmz787> 40 miles? 20:41 < nmz787> what kind of keyboard? 20:41 < kanzure> i had it delivered 20:41 < kanzure> just.. not to my address 20:51 < kanzure> i wonder how this adhesive broke 20:51 < kanzure> does this keyboard only have a 11 million character warranty? 20:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-22-49.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 < kanzure> oops i mean words 20:52 < kanzure> (based on an estimate of 10k words/day average) 20:52 < jrayhawk> i... uh... think you might be an outlier in this regard 20:53 < kanzure> i wonder if i can con them into giving me a 100M word warranty 20:55 < kanzure> i want a manufacturer who stress tests their keyboards, with kinetic typing simulations like they do with engines 20:56 < kanzure> unfortunately, keyboards don't kill people and thus there is less incentive to do this testing 20:56 < jrayhawk> That's actually pretty standard testing fare for high-end products. 20:57 < kanzure> i want my keyboard to take a bullet and keep on ticking 20:57 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 20:58 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 < kanzure> jrayhawk: can you show me video evidence of this for a keyboard 21:00 < jrayhawk> or, rather, it's pretty standard testing fare for the manufacturing techniques and mechanisms behind high-end products 21:00 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@107.51.250.128] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:01 < jrayhawk> nokia, impressively, builds testing jigs for all their finished products 21:01 < kanzure> hmm i can't seem to find average numbers for keyboard life expectancy or typage 21:02 < kanzure> "Mechanical keyboards have 20 to 50 million keystroke life span to where Rubber dome and Scissor Switch only have 1 to 20 million keystroke" 21:02 < kanzure> this is from a website called "facepunch" so it must be true. 21:03 < kanzure> http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1054092 21:04 < kanzure> 50 million keystrokes is only 10 million words, or about 2.7 years assuming 10k words/day 21:05 < kanzure> "A good keyboard should last for 6 months assuming a person has a speed of 120 wpm and usually types on the average of 10 hours daily" 21:06 < kanzure> err at that rate a 50M keystroke keyboard would be done with in 138 days :/ 21:06 < kanzure> yeah.. so 6 months is not OK 21:12 < klafka1> isn't that assuming a consistent 120wpm speed 21:12 < klafka1> for 10hrs straight 21:13 < kanzure> a little unrealistic :) 21:14 < kanzure> but gamers might have a higher keystroke rate (though i don't play a lot of games) 21:15 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-22-49.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:15 < yashgaroth> 300 keystrokes/minute for the pros 21:15 < yashgaroth> well I guess that includes mouseclicks as well 21:16 < ParahSailin__> i've killed like 3 model m keyboards 21:18 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:19 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:21 < kanzure> ParahSailin__: were you trying to? 21:21 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@107.51.250.128] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:21 < ParahSailin__> im clumsy with water 21:27 < nmz787> when i terminate an SSH connection and the terminal window hangs and ctrl-c or d or z don't do anything, what can I do? kill ssh from another terminal? 21:27 < kanzure> does anyone have respectable laptop suggestions? 21:27 < nmz787> yeah killall did it 21:27 < nmz787> I like this lenovo X series 21:28 < kanzure> i'd like something with an i7, allowing at least 8 GB of RAM, and a full keyboard, and a 17 inch screen 21:28 < kanzure> none of that sissy 13 inch bullshit 21:28 < nmz787> the harddrive protection is ported to work with linux 21:28 < nmz787> i'd scan slickdeals.net for at least 2-3 weeks 21:28 < kanzure> i don't need a deal, i need a good laptop 21:29 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:29 < nmz787> yeah, right, it's not a good deal if it's not a good laptop at a good price 21:29 < nmz787> or it's not a 'slick' deal, rather 21:29 < nmz787> just saying to watch the market for what the sweet price point is 21:30 < nmz787> but yeah the lenovo thinkpad's seem pretty well constructed 21:32 < nmz787> I got mine from http://outlet.lenovo.com 21:34 < kanzure> so the lenovo thinkpads seem to be expandable only up to 8 GB RAM 21:34 < kanzure> http://outlet.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/outlet_us/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=445&Code=42824EU 21:36 < yashgaroth> surely you can pick up 2x8gb sticks aftermarket 21:36 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:36 < kanzure> well if the laptop has physical slots for it sure 21:37 < yashgaroth> well it comes with 2x4gb, and amazon has 2x8gbs for sale 21:37 < yashgaroth> I mean you're popping out the original ones 21:41 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@39.19.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:42 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:45 < nmz787> processor looks decent, quad core, up to 16gb ram http://ark.intel.com/products/52219 21:45 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:45 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 21:46 < jrayhawk> nmz787: man ssh and search for ESCAPE CHARACTERS 21:46 < jrayhawk> sorry i am not trying to yell that is just the literal string to search for 21:47 < jrayhawk> i am not angry do not cry :( 21:47 < nmz787> :) 21:54 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:56 < nmz787> kanzure: lots of choices from here http://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?forumchoice%5B%5D=9&q=laptop+17%22&showposts=0&archive=0&firstonly=1 21:57 < nmz787> kanzure add i7 to that search 21:59 < nmz787> that i7-2670qm can take up to 32GB RAM 21:59 < kanzure> how about something with i7-3770s by default 22:00 < jrayhawk> that's... not for laptops 22:00 < kanzure> what :( 22:01 < nmz787> kanzure: this looks decent http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/HP-ENVY-17-3077nr/productID.243730100/vip.true?siteID=aB8BeTfRgb8-r6SqAoPPzOoa.iCf8_NJ&ClickID=dw0cy20hksrh0hbtb2tm2hyryzwyrmsr0hhx 22:01 < nmz787> the 22nm i7-3610qm 22:02 < nmz787> WiDi? 22:02 < nmz787> " Intel Wireless Display (WiDi) technology" 22:02 < nmz787> "ENVY 17’s battery life of nearly seven hours.*" 22:02 < kanzure> man why do all these sites sucks 22:03 < kanzure> *suck 22:03 < nmz787> dude if I purchase it for you I can get the student's free xbox 22:03 < kanzure> why are you still a student anyway 22:03 < jrayhawk> dell and hp also have outlet stores 22:03 < kanzure> blah 22:03 < kanzure> what's a good lenovo w700 model number 22:04 < nmz787> yeah I'm a horrible student 22:04 < jrayhawk> the w701 is the last model; the w701ds is the dual-screen version of that 22:04 < kanzure> ebay says $1800 for a w701 22:05 < nmz787> specs of this ENVY are pretty decent overall http://shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-ENVY/A6U45AV?HP-ENVY-17t-3200-Notebook-PC&aoid=35252 22:05 < jrayhawk> Yeah, it's also the same hardware generation as your current laptop. 22:05 < nmz787> jrayhawk: which, the w701 or the envy? 22:06 < jrayhawk> The w701 22:06 < nmz787> the envy has latest gen i7 22:06 < kanzure> my current laptop is going for $400 on ebay -_- 22:06 < nmz787> ahh 22:07 < kanzure> guess i might have to live with a smaller screen. very disappointing. 22:08 < kanzure> that envy seems to be cross-marketed with microsoft and that does't signal much to me. 22:09 < nmz787> why do you care about its marketing? 22:09 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:10 < kanzure> nmz787: in general if i avoid things that advertise maybe i will find something legitimately good 22:11 < delinquentme> so for anyone interested in how the money trickles down http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/399541_339613026123500_495455162_n.jpg 22:11 < kanzure> delinquentme: stop reading reddit 22:11 < nmz787> obviously microsoft is pushing the $15 windows 8 upgrade, but the hardware seems pretty strong 22:11 < kanzure> and facebook 22:12 < nmz787> that just plain doesn't describe any sane/smart person's world delinquentme 22:12 < nmz787> the only people I think extort money are parking authority and DMV 22:12 < delinquentme> +] 22:12 < delinquentme> =] 22:13 < delinquentme> exactly 22:13 < delinquentme> make it a systemic issue 22:13 < ParahSailin__> in chicago the parking authority is morgan stanley 22:13 < delinquentme> give it a face and a name and people revolt against it 22:13 < delinquentme> quiet subversion 22:13 < kanzure> so these sites really really suck 22:14 < ParahSailin__> what sites? 22:14 < kanzure> am i really expected to manually search for linux compatability for each of these components on 20+ models 22:14 < nmz787> but what if the people who are entranced in that way are life are just stupid by nature? more apt to be entranced? 22:14 < kanzure> you guys tolerate this?? 22:14 < jrayhawk> http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&brandid=2801&fid=8542 22:14 < nmz787> kanzure: i think you should assume linux compatibility 22:14 < delinquentme> nmz787, theres varying levels of stupidity 22:14 < kanzure> nmz787: hahah 22:15 < ParahSailin__> why not go mac 22:15 < kanzure> and then if i eliminate a model because of a bad feature, and then i later realize that it's the only option that leads me to something usable even if i eliminated it for some other component, i have to mentally backtrack through a 5-depth 20-branching tree search, fuckthis 22:15 < nmz787> AMD64 is almost totally in step with Intel's 64 bit instruction set 22:16 < ParahSailin__> you mean intel is almost totally in step with amd64? 22:16 < kanzure> right now i'm looking at two R9HHXRB-4270CTOs one is $2400 and the other is $1800. but i can't figure out why. 22:16 < nmz787> I liked the Sony Z series, but I think they changed that up a bit 22:17 < jrayhawk> and HP is having a sale on elitebooks, even on the outlet 22:19 < kanzure> wimax 6520 linux compatability "Intel has a strange way of 'supporting' this card. It's recognised by the kernel module but the microcode that makes the card work hasn't been released yet. They say sometime in third quarter." 22:19 < kanzure> akdaskfasdasdaa 22:19 < kanzure> oh i guess that was 2010 22:19 < kanzure> iwlwifi-6050-4.ucode 22:19 < ParahSailin__> wifi is always shitty on laptops when you install linux on them 22:19 < kanzure> ParahSailin__: i thought the idea was to search in advance 22:20 < ParahSailin__> i can't even connect to a starbucks wifi in public on mine 22:20 < kanzure> ParahSailin__: maybe you bought a shitty laptop 22:20 < ParahSailin__> i guess you want ath9k chipset 22:20 < ParahSailin__> it was a pretty good lenovo a couple years ago 22:21 < kanzure> which chipset has the best compatability? 22:21 < ParahSailin__> ath9k 22:21 < kanzure> all the madwifi drivers have really sucked for me. 22:22 < ParahSailin__> well atheros is the _best_ supported on linux. it's all even suckier from there 22:22 < kanzure> like when i type "ifconfig wlan8 set blah" it wont say "FEATURE NOT SUPPORTED" ? 22:23 < ParahSailin__> the windows or mac drivers for all chipsets are infinitely better 22:23 < ParahSailin__> its just something you live with 22:23 < kanzure> maybe if you're helpless 22:24 < ParahSailin__> well if i had an asic foundry, i could help it maybe 22:25 < ParahSailin__> 802.11 is so locked down, licensed, permitted, regulated 22:26 < ParahSailin__> there arent really any good answers 22:26 < ParahSailin__> go with atheros if available 22:26 < kanzure> what was that windows-driver wrapper? 22:26 < ParahSailin__> they actually make an effort, because they like to supply chips to all the linux wifi routers 22:27 < kanzure> ndiswrapper? 22:27 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29 < nmz787> i've never had to use madwifi 22:30 < ParahSailin__> any wifi you get will be supported decently enough to catch your router's signal from your house 22:30 < kanzure> i think i used madwifi on a gateway laptop 22:32 < kanzure> jrayhawk: why did you select M6600? 22:33 < kanzure> 128 MB graphics card? what is this, 1999? 22:34 < ParahSailin__> http://www.rfaxis.com/our_products/rfx2402C.php might be a good chipset in the future 22:34 < ParahSailin__> for open hardware 802.11 22:37 < delinquentme> kanzure, most rails idomatic way to only allow a single comment on a video per user? 22:38 < delinquentme> search the comments DB for a row with the users ID and prevent them from making another if that row exists? 22:38 < kanzure> delinquentme: acts_as_commentable 22:38 < kanzure> https://github.com/elight/acts_as_commentable_with_threading 22:39 < kanzure> https://github.com/bkuhlmann/commenter 22:39 < delinquentme> specifically the part where they're restricted to a single comment? 22:40 < kanzure> yeah you will have to configure that. 22:42 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what is this? https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp7 22:49 < jrayhawk> where are you seeing a 128MB graphics card? 22:50 < jrayhawk> looks like a rebranded acer, but i am too lazy to check 22:51 < kanzure> yeah i can't tell either. 22:51 < kanzure> jrayhawk: on the m6600 page. 22:52 < kanzure> oh i guess only the search options are blacked out 22:54 < jrayhawk> you wanted a full keyboard 22:54 < jrayhawk> re: why 22:54 < kanzure> ah. 22:55 < delinquentme> ERMERGERD 22:55 < delinquentme> LARPtarp 22:58 < jrayhawk> http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/hpremarketing/daily.asp?jumpid=in_r2910_bizoutlet/remarketing/smbclearance&a=a quite a few cheap 8760w options 22:59 < jrayhawk> the 8760w has an optional 1920x1200 IPS screen 23:00 < kanzure> i'm willing to pay to get what i want.. it just seems that everyone has axed the things that i want :P 23:00 * kanzure looks 23:00 < kanzure> that link doesn't seem to go anywhere in particular 23:00 < kanzure> oh i see. 23:01 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:01 < jrayhawk> works fine in links, i blame your browser 23:01 < kanzure> no it just wasn't obvious that their menus were actually relevant 23:01 < kanzure> it looked like standard enterprise-gook that you learn to visually avoid 23:02 < jrayhawk> not sure what you're talking about; the page is one giant table 23:02 < jrayhawk> oh, no, i guess it's a sequence of tables 23:02 < kanzure> there are these stupid plus and minus signs that you have to click 23:02 < kanzure> with "Show all" and "hide all" 23:02 < jrayhawk> ha ha you and your silly javascript 23:02 < kanzure> it's true :( 23:03 < jrayhawk> what would pasky think 23:03 < kanzure> so why do you mention 8760w out of all those other things? 23:03 < jrayhawk> full keyboard, kickass screen 23:03 < kanzure> okie dokie 23:03 < jrayhawk> lots of drive bays, lots of memory slots 23:04 < kanzure> sturdy? 23:04 < kanzure> hmmm http://tekarazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/hp-elitebook-8760w-11.jpg 23:04 < jrayhawk> i should certainly hope so; this is the top of their range 23:04 < nmz787> is there somewhere I can buy a temp debit card online that's reliable? 23:04 < kanzure> nmz787: paypal? 23:05 < nmz787> they don't like me 23:05 < kanzure> look up "virtual prepraid debit card" 23:05 < nmz787> thing is, who's reliable 23:07 < jrayhawk> though i guess the keyboards on both the 8760w and the m6600 have disgustingly flat keys 23:07 < nmz787> basically i have no way of buying this for my mom :/ http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-UNIVERSAL-TV-DIGITAL-CONVERTER-BOX-REMOTE-CONTROL-/270552161637#payId 23:07 < nmz787> so friggin stupid 23:08 < kanzure> haha $3,000 HP 8760w W7P-64 i7 2820QM 2.3GHz 320GB 32GB(4DM) DVDRW 17.3FHD WLAN BT Quadro 5010M Cam Rmkt NB PC 23:08 < nmz787> oh, actually amazon has it 23:08 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm willing to buy new keyboards if i have to 23:09 < kanzure> but usually each laptop has its own stupid shape that the keyboard has to be made to fit :( 23:11 < jrayhawk> oh, the m6600 doesn't have a trackpoint 23:11 < jrayhawk> WORTHLESS! 23:12 < kanzure> why do all those lenovos have "fingerprint" scanners? 23:12 < kanzure> doesn't that just encourage assholes to cutoff my fingers? 23:12 < jrayhawk> Yeah, and they're typically pretty easy to fool with printouts and whatnot. 23:13 < jrayhawk> It's a neat whizbang concept, but biometrics never really work out in reality. 23:16 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:17 < kanzure> hrmm maybe i should try a "noppoo choc mini" 23:18 < jrayhawk> huh, that looks nice 23:19 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiZ1esoS6NY 23:20 < kanzure> oh this is more technical i guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDUyNY4CAGk 23:21 < jrayhawk> http://www.gscreenlaptop.com/ 23:23 < kanzure> hah. 23:28 < jrayhawk> i like how none of their reviews are actually reviews 23:30 < kanzure> i should call my typing style "tactical" instead of tactile. 23:35 < kanzure> http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-Pavilion/A6X83UA?HP-Pavilion-dm4-3170se-Beats-Edition-Entertainment-Notebook-PC 23:35 < kanzure> keyboard looks terrible. 23:43 < jrayhawk> also no trackpoint 23:44 < kanzure> jrayhawk: why the lenovo w series over the t series? 23:46 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.110.212.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:47 < kanzure> jrayhawk: there should be a company that custom-fits keyboards to a laptop. 23:49 < jrayhawk> yeah, i actually know someone who was planning on buying an x1 carbon right up until he saw the keyboard 23:49 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.110.212.117] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 23:49 < kanzure> blahh i'm going to be so pissed if i have to end up making keyboards not suck 23:49 < kanzure> external mechanical keyboards are nice, but that hasn't changed or improved in forever 23:53 < jrayhawk> the lenovo w520 is slightly better than the t520 in a lot of little ways. USB 3, room for extra ram, nicer graphics chipsets, etc. 23:53 < jrayhawk> it's not really a particularly compelling set of differences unless you reaaaaaly want a quadro or usb 3 23:54 -!- azonenberg [~azonenber@2001:470:888b:2:206:70ff:fe01:46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 < kanzure> quadro? 23:55 < jrayhawk> nVidia's "professional" chipset. Has some features unlocked for cad and computation that the "consumer" chipsets don't. 23:55 < kanzure> uhuh. 23:56 < jrayhawk> If you're living in linux-land the whole time, you're probably better off with a Radeon. 23:58 < jrayhawk> I think all the thinkpads with dedicated chipsets also have switchable integrated graphics these days. 23:58 < kanzure> http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/onkyos-dx-dual-screen-laptop-is-a-far-better-deal-than-kohjinsh/ 23:58 < kanzure> i am dubious about integrated graphics 23:58 < kanzure> i've just had generally poor experiences with integrated graphis cards 23:59 < kanzure> it always ends up being some lame intel piece of crap that doesn't support any of the gpgpu programming i keep hearing about 23:59 < kanzure> or any of the hash-cracking stuff 23:59 < jrayhawk> Yeah, but it's plenty good for blitting large framebuffers at 60hz, which is all you need the majority of the time, and takes a lot less battery to achieve. --- Log closed Fri Jul 27 00:00:20 2012