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12:23 < nmz7871> instead of whatever it is now 12:23 < nmz7871> or better interface on the ikiwiki 12:25 < kanzure> nmz7871: pick something from here http://ikiwiki.info/css_market/ 12:26 < kanzure> nmz7871: jrayhawk likes https://antportal.com/wiki/ 12:27 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 40b11ce use the antportal ikiwiki css 12:28 < kanzure> there you go.. http://diyhpl.us/ (just be sure to refresh if it looks the same) 12:30 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 59c84f8 fix the registration link? 12:32 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 198661b include a link to cgit and the clone line 12:33 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41 < nmz7871> looks better! 12:41 < nmz7871> why doesn't this page continue to utilize the stylesheet and have some sort of toolbar ??? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis.html 12:42 < nmz7871> like this page does http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cadfaq/ 12:43 < jrayhawk> kanzure got lazy and did raw html there 12:44 < jrayhawk> kanzure: there are some html2markdown solutions 12:45 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-250-50.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:46 < nmz7871> he said ikiwiki can take raw html 12:47 < jrayhawk> Yeah, he uploaded a literal html file, which ikiwiki doesn't render. If he were to include html snippets in one of the renderable formats, those would get wrapped. 12:48 < kanzure> jrayhawk: how do i install the mediawiki syntax plugin? 12:48 < kanzure> er.. not mediawiki.. it's called uh.. wikisomething.. wikitext? whatever the awful thing is that mediawiki uses. 12:50 < nmz7871> where can i pay someone to write 2 english papers for me? 12:50 -!- nmz7871 is now known as nmz787 12:51 < kanzure> nmz787: odesk, guru, elance, freelancer, vworker, fiverr, craigslist 12:54 < kanzure> hmm github git:// is broken? 12:55 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 < kanzure> seems to be https://github.com/jmtd/mediawiki.pm/blob/master/mediawiki.pm 12:59 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:02 < jrayhawk> you can slap it into /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/ and echo 'push(@{$conf->{add_plugins}}, qw{ mediawiki });' into either (globally) /etc/ikiwiki/piny.setup.pl and run sudo piny-ikiwiki-mass-rebuild or (specifically) into /etc/ikiwiki/wiki.setup.pl and rebuildrepo wiki 13:04 < nmz787> delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Hybrid%20error%20correction%20and%20de%20novo%20assembly%20of%20single-molecule%20sequencing%20reads.pdf 13:04 < nmz787> you posted a media article about that a few days ago 13:04 < nmz787> delinquentme: a DVD is NOT a poor man's prism, it is a poor man's grating 13:04 < delinquentme> this is the schadt software for the pac bio? 13:04 < delinquentme> nmz787, explain. 13:04 < delinquentme> prez 13:05 < nmz787> gratings are nothing new either, and anyone that knows what a grating is will know a DVD/CD can do similar 13:05 < nmz787> explain what? 13:06 < delinquentme> im lost on grating 13:06 < delinquentme> so grating is a ton of mini prisms? 13:07 < nmz787> no 13:07 < nmz787> it is a grating 13:08 < nmz787> you know what a grating is for roadways to drain water into the sewer? 13:08 < nmz787> lines of metal with void between them 13:08 < nmz787> to sieve out trash and so people don't fall into the sewer 13:08 < nmz787> an optical grating looks the same, but on a micro level 13:08 < delinquentme> thats what we're talking about O_o 13:08 < nmz787> lines with troughs between them 13:08 < delinquentme> umm is the grating of concentric circles or of right angle lines? 13:09 < jrayhawk> i guess it'd be more tasteful to put it in /usr/local/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/ 13:09 < nmz787> generally gratings are parallel lines 13:09 < delinquentme> but then that wouldnt make sense 13:09 < nmz787> DVD and CD they're sort of concentric, but it's actually just one spiral line 13:09 < delinquentme> as the directions specify that the DVD chunk needed to be aligned in a particular manner 13:09 < delinquentme> @_@;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; 13:09 < delinquentme> nmz787, how do you know these things!?!? 13:09 < nmz787> right, normal to the center, the DVD lines would be parallel 13:10 * delinquentme is fascinated 13:10 < delinquentme> kind of like looking at longitude / lattitude of earth along the axis of rotation 13:10 * nmz787 tries to study optics because most biotech uses photons for sensing 13:10 < kanzure> jrayhawk: bleh why do i have to do all this shit myself? https://github.com/mithro/media2iki/pull/1 13:10 < delinquentme> nmz787, i was musing about how useful a website full of these little tricks would be 13:11 < delinquentme> surely there are other methods for hacking together things 13:11 < delinquentme> and if people want to hack expensive robotics shit like this would help 13:11 < nmz787> http://www.scitoyscatalog.com/product/DIFFRACTION.html 13:12 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.12] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:12 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grating 13:12 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_grating 13:13 < nmz787> gratings can be blazed (cut) in different manners to change their dispersal characteristics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waveforms.svg 13:13 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazed_grating 13:13 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.12] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13 < nmz787> http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2003-05/1053350704.Ph.r.html 13:14 < jrayhawk> kanzure: fwiw, if you wind up needing to pull from cpan, you should use dh-make-perl 13:14 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.12] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- JCC [4b4575da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.69.117.218] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 < kanzure> JCC: hi. 13:15 < JCC> Howdy channel. 13:15 < nmz787> hi! 13:16 < kanzure> why does mwlib need twisted 12.1 and wtf is re2c 13:17 < JCC> Just got introduced to this channel by the admin of http://transhumani.com/ 13:17 < JCC> Would anyone happen to know what his nick is on here? 13:17 < nmz787> is that eudoxia? 13:17 < kanzure> no it's not eudoxia. 13:17 < nmz787> oh 13:17 < kanzure> it's "Stee|" 13:17 < jrayhawk> well, Steel2 at the moment 13:17 < JCC> As suspected. 13:18 < kanzure> jfkdlafjasdkfja i wish setup.py would tell me when it is expecting python2.7 13:18 < JCC> So, this channel's for H+ planning. 13:18 < kanzure> or maybe there's a json-for-python-2.6 that provides json.load 13:19 < jrayhawk> kanzure: are you sure you want to do manual translation step rather than just let mediawiki.pm do its thing? 13:19 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i was thinking i'd at least try this :/ 13:19 < kanzure> but no i'm not sure at all 13:19 < nmz787> JCC: that's the main idea, but we talk about everything bio, chem, tech, and programming related 13:19 < jrayhawk> Are you trying to do synchronization between the two? 13:20 < kanzure> jrayhawk: no i just wanted to use the formatter to convert mediawikimarkup-thing to markdown 13:20 < JCC> nmz787: not too broad, then. :) 13:20 < nmz787> JCC: most of what we talk about generally has the aim of being H+ related 13:20 < kanzure> jrayhawk: python mediawiki2markdown.py --no-strict --no-debugger input.wiki > output.md 13:20 < kanzure> but mwlib seems to have some weird "import the revision history of mediawiki pages" feature.. looks like dark magic. 13:21 < kanzure> and it probably requires the mysql db of the target site 13:21 < delinquentme> JCC, yeah kind of " what can we do " type projects .. and some wildly crazy out there stuff 13:21 < jrayhawk> Does it split out the revisions into separate files or something? 13:21 < kanzure> no it seems to put the revisions into git 13:21 < jrayhawk> huh 13:21 < kanzure> i was going to import this: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ 13:21 < jrayhawk> that's kinda neat and crazy 13:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-189-101.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 < bkero> I just bought some wearable items today, going to take another stab at it. ;3 13:22 < bkero> ST1080, odroid hardkernel, Twiddler 2.0 input, 10x18650 cell battery 13:23 < eudoxia> hey JCC 13:23 < bkero> kanzure: Are you still in Austin? 13:23 < kanzure> jrayhawk: there's also this thing.. http://scytale.name/blog/2009/11/announcing-levitation 13:23 < kanzure> bkero: yes i am 13:23 < kanzure> eww you have a twiddler now? 13:23 < bkero> I might be coming to texas sometime soon 13:23 < jrayhawk> bkero: When you have your hands on the hardware, I'd be interested in seeing it 13:23 < bkero> jrayhawk: ST1080s are backed up until the end of August 13:24 < jrayhawk> bummer 13:24 < kanzure> i am thoroughly unimpressed http://www.handykey.com/images/twiddler.jpg 13:24 < JCC> hey eudoxia 13:24 < bkero> kanzure: find me a better chorded keyboard 13:24 < bkero> kanzure: it emulated a 105 key :) 13:24 < kanzure> bkero: how about a regular keyboard, except you use it like a chorded keyboard... done. 13:24 < bkero> and there are alternative keymaps 13:25 < bkero> kanzure: I have a bluetooth model M that I use for stationary applications 13:25 < kanzure> did you buy it with bluetooth? 13:25 < bkero> There is no such thing. I made it. 13:25 < kanzure> there are some bullshit companies that claim to sell "model m equivalents" 13:25 < kanzure> so maybe you bought one of those 13:25 < kanzure> but i see. 13:25 < bkero> No 13:25 < kanzure> ok cool 13:25 < bkero> This is a Model M Spacesaver 13:25 < bkero> IE: No numpad so portable! 13:25 < kanzure> i just have a shitty keytronic 13:26 < kanzure> it was made to look like the model m, except without all the good parts -_- 13:26 < bkero> lamelamelamelamelame 13:26 < bkero> No, I jump up and down on these things to demo for people 13:26 < kanzure> anyway, i don't see how the twiddler is an improvement over the model m 13:27 < kanzure> it looks like a step backwards, or few. 13:27 < bkero> I can use it while travelling 13:27 < kanzure> i carry around a keyboard when necessary 13:27 < kanzure> i don't see the problem? 13:27 < bkero> I mean when physically walking 13:27 < kanzure> me too? 13:27 < bkero> keyboard is not a very good solution when walking :/ 13:27 < bkero> especially if I need a free hand 13:27 < kanzure> if you say so.. better than a twiddler. 13:28 * bkero shrugs. I'll be the judge of that when it gets here. 13:28 < kanzure> i think the wpm max on a twiddler is like, 70, which is as bad as touchscreen phones 13:30 < bkero> I'd think much more accuracy than touchscreen phones though 13:30 < kanzure> well, obviously, physical keyboards on phones are better 13:30 < kanzure> oh damn, i just googled it: "iPhone User Types An Incredible 83 WPM" 13:30 < kanzure> "incredible".. le sigh 13:31 < delinquentme> swype 13:31 < kanzure> swype was bought 13:31 < kanzure> and dart isn't that phenomenal anyway 13:32 < kanzure> s/bought/acquired 13:33 < kanzure> bkero: have you hooked up your bluetooth to a smartphone, and if so does it work well for you? 13:34 < bkero> It works alright, some modification keys like ctrl don't work, and esc acts like back 13:34 < kanzure> i mean your keyboard 13:34 < kanzure> i think esc-as-back is to be expected, especially on android? 13:34 < kanzure> since that's how it works on the tablets 13:34 < kanzure> hrm ok 13:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: so the other reason i was considering mediawiki2markdown is that having multiple formats in the wiki will only confuse things 13:37 < jrayhawk> that's fair, i suppose 13:42 < kanzure> grr mwlib/_uscan.re fails to compile with python2. 13:42 < kanzure> grr mwlib/_uscan.re fails to compile with python2.7 13:43 < jrayhawk> html2markdown might be easier, assuming you don't mind losing the revision info 13:43 < jrayhawk> and don't mind some semi-manual cleanup 13:44 < kanzure> mediawiki2markdown.py doesn't keep revision information anyway 13:44 < kanzure> i can't get revision information without asking openwetware for a db backup 13:44 < kanzure> or i could write a scraper 13:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dcfb7ea first attempt a at reclaiming my DIYbio FAQ from openwetware.org 13:47 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/converted-faq/ 13:47 < kanzure> ehh. 13:48 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:48 < kanzure> i am not convinced that's any good 13:49 < kanzure> i would somewhat enjoy having the revision history ported over, but there have been so few revisions that i might as well do it manually? 13:53 < jrayhawk> perhaps you should ask them for access? 13:55 < kanzure> ah nevermind i forgot about http://openwetware.org/wiki/Special:Export 14:01 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:07 < nmz787> so the st1080 has a applications processor in it? 14:07 < nmz787> or the odroid is separate? 14:07 < nmz787> bkero: ^ 14:08 < bkero> nmz787: st1080 has a small processor to switch between 3d modes 14:10 < kanzure> importing DIYbio/FAQ.mediawiki at 2009-04-09 03:55:32 UTC 14:10 < kanzure> fatal: Unsupported command: dith] 14:14 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-189-101.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:16 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1122239/ any ideas? 14:16 < kanzure> this is diyhpluswiki/.git/fast_import_crash_9924 14:17 < kanzure> i think the dith] is from a line that has this at the end: [http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/09e4bcf12548501a Meredith] 14:17 < kanzure> actually, "committer" is wrong.. or maybe "author" should be present.. the original mediawiki commit data said "Mackenzie Cowell", which is definitely not me. 14:20 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- JCC [4b4575da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.69.117.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30 < jrayhawk> That's a pretty weird parsing error. 14:31 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i think this might be expecting an older version of git 14:31 < kanzure> so i rewrote it to use git fast-import with a line like "data < the weird thing about this is that jcline apparently took the diybio faq from heybryan.org/mediawiki 14:32 < kanzure> but he didn't preserve revision history 14:33 < jrayhawk> ha ha ha 14:33 < kanzure> i'm so confused :( 14:33 < nmz787> where are you importing to? 14:33 < kanzure> diyhpluswiki.git 14:36 < nmz787> :/ 14:36 < nmz787> why not into ikiwiki? 14:36 < jrayhawk> that is an ikiwiki 14:36 < nmz787> ;? 14:36 < nmz787> :/ 14:37 < nmz787> i can see it in the rev history 14:37 < kanzure> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ is http://diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki 14:37 < nmz787> but how do i look at it not through cgit? 14:37 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git 14:37 < kanzure> i also have it up on http://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki just for giggles 14:38 < jrayhawk> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/converted-faq/ 14:38 < nmz787> but the comment only says diybio/converted-faq.mdwn 14:38 < kanzure> oh, you want what jrayhawk is telling you 14:39 < nmz787> yes 14:39 < nmz787> why doesnt the homepage autopopulate? 14:39 < kanzure> what would you like to be on the homepage? 14:39 < nmz787> or say "see all pages" 14:39 < jrayhawk> I can set that up if you want. 14:39 < kanzure> sure 14:40 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages#mw-specialpagesgroup-pages 14:40 < nmz787> kanzure: ^ 14:41 < kanzure> what is this showing me? 14:41 < kanzure> or, rather, why are you showing me this? 14:42 < nmz787> oO this is coolhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategoryTree&target=biology&mode=categories&dotree=Show+tree 14:42 < nmz787> synthetic biology has 0 subcategories 14:43 < kanzure> openwetware is a better wiki for synthetic biology stuff 14:43 < nmz787> but it;s parent bioengineering does 14:43 < kanzure> but openwetware has been on a downward slope in terms of people actively editing (apparently) 14:43 < kanzure> it turns out that forcing igem teams to edit openwetware is not a good strategy for retaining long-term contributors 14:43 -!- augur [~augur@206.196.187.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bioengineers 14:44 < nmz787> meredith patterson is listed by wikipedia as a bioengineer 14:44 < nmz787> venter isn't 14:44 < kanzure> heh. 14:44 < nmz787> keasling isn't 14:44 < yashgaroth> haha 14:45 < nmz787> none of us are 14:45 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bioengineers_by_nationality 14:45 < kanzure> i'm not entirely sure if venter has ever done any lab work 14:45 < nmz787> there are only american and turkish bioengineers 14:46 < nmz787> girl talk (musician) is listed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_bioengineers 14:46 < nmz787> "Gillis began experimenting with deejaying while a student at Chartiers Valley High School in the Pittsburgh suburb of Bridgeville. After a few collaborative efforts he started the solo "Girl Talk" project while studying biomedical engineering at Case Western Reserve University inCleveland, Ohio. In school, Gillis focused on tissue engineering. He later worked as an engineer, but quit in May 2007 to focus solely on music.[4] 14:46 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 28b0886 index: Use a map directive to index content 14:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: de0652a index: remove what i presume is an old test comment 14:54 < kanzure> "After successfully mastering tissue engineering, he decided to quit and never use again." eery. 14:54 < jrayhawk> alternatively we can [[!tag mainindex]] individual pages and use [[!map pages="tagged(mainindex)"]] in index.mdwn instead, but really stuff should just get properly organized in the first place 14:54 < kanzure> well, if i cared significantly about making my additions accessible, i would add a link somewhere instead of making them orphan pages 14:54 < kanzure> but most of the time these orphans are orphans for a reason 14:54 < nmz787> ? 14:54 < nmz787> no 14:55 < nmz787> then why add it anyway? 14:55 < nmz787> if people can't see them they can't be stimulated to think about that stuff 14:55 < nmz787> that could lead to improving the doc 14:55 < kanzure> feel free to suggest some things; does the index page look usable now? 14:56 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/ 15:00 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 722990f removed 15:00 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:00 < jrayhawk> wow, that's a lousy commit message 15:01 < nmz787> kanzure: looks better, but is it auto-updating with commits of new pages? 15:01 < jrayhawk> yes 15:02 < kanzure> hrmm the media2iki guy was using ts=3 for his .rb files.. therefore he is pure evil 15:02 < kanzure> there were also some \t's :( 15:03 < kanzure> it's like taking the average between those who use 2 spaces and 4 spaces, and totally fucking it up. 15:03 < kanzure> compromising doesn't work, kids 15:03 < jrayhawk> nmz787: ikiwiki is called by a cgi and/or a post-update hook to recompile pages as appropriate 15:03 < jrayhawk> it is magic 15:04 < jrayhawk> if you want to play with it it you can run 'newrepo the-amazing-nmz787-wiki' on gnusha 15:04 < kanzure> i'm not sure if he has git cloned it to his local machine yet 15:04 < kanzure> nmz787: this is just like any other git repository except gnusha does some things when you send it new commits; also, you can edit from the web. 15:05 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:06 < kanzure> by running newrepo you can create a new ikiwiki instance on gnusha (by default, all repos on gnusha get a wiki based on the contents of the git repository) 15:06 < jrayhawk> i think you can avoid the ikiwiki by passing --disable-ikiwiki on the newrepo commandline 15:09 -!- splicer [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:11 < kanzure> jrayhawk: so i'm redoing this git import thing.. what do you recommend for the commit author/committer fields? 15:11 < kanzure> i was thinking: the author should be the mediawiki username/email, and the committer should be openwetware-mediawiki 15:11 < kanzure> or am i supposed to be the committer? 15:11 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 < jrayhawk> I have no particular opinion. 15:13 < jrayhawk> I guess openwetware-mediawiki approach looks humbler; less likely to piss people off 15:15 -!- splicer_ [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:16 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 15:17 < kanzure> hmmm /home/kanzure/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.2-p290/lib/ruby/1.9.1/rexml/parent.rb:59:in `[]': can't convert String into Integer (TypeError) 15:21 -!- AdrianG_ [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 < nmz787> crap, i can never remember passwords for things anymore 15:22 < kanzure> nmz787: you can ssh in and change your password 15:22 < nmz787> i've forgotten the diypl.us pass twice recently 15:22 < kanzure> (by typing "passwd") 15:22 -!- splicer_ [~ubuntu@c83-255-190-140.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:23 < nmz787> no i guess keys aren't working for me, I may have set it up on a different VM 15:23 < kanzure> pm me what password you would like 15:23 < nmz787> lemme try this other VM that I was using for the nanoengineer stuff 15:27 < nmz787> kanzure: passwd is asking for my current pass 15:27 < nmz787> I think I have to have sudo perm to do without a pass 15:28 < kanzure> oh, then pm me a temporary password, then change it 15:29 < kanzure> nmz787: ok try now 15:29 < kanzure> wait, how exactly did you upload that pdf earlier today? 15:31 < nmz787> i did that weeks ago 15:31 < nmz787> delinquentme: was late to the game re: that article 15:32 < nmz787> so china is trying to sell me a fiber spectrometer for $2200 wheras canada has them for $749 15:33 < kanzure> fatal: Expected 'data n' command, found: author Mackenzie L. Cowell Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:55:32 -0000 15:33 < kanzure> fast-import: dumping crash report to .git/fast_import_crash_11014 15:33 < nmz787> found it through alibaba, replied with the link to the canandian site and said if they made me a deal I'd help them improve their software 15:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-fast-import.html 15:33 < nmz787> and i said i knew cost to manufacture was ~$300 USD 15:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: "author" seems to be a command according to this doc. what am i doing wrong? 15:34 < kanzure> oh maybe it's order-dependent 15:34 < kanzure> aha.. yep. 15:34 < nmz787> kanzure: is the ikiwiki pass diff than gnusha? 15:34 < kanzure> pipe.puts "author #{f.author_username} <#{f.author_email}> #{f.timestamp.rfc2822}" 15:35 < kanzure> nmz787: nope 15:35 < nmz787> hmm, the .us.:443 isn't letting me in 15:35 < nmz787> oh, maybe it's my repo pass 15:35 < kanzure> it's the same password as your gnusha/diyhpl.us password 15:36 < nmz787> doesnt let me in 15:36 < kanzure> try now 15:36 < delinquentme> nmz787, you did see the Open source rigged one right? 15:36 < kanzure> i ran this command: addaccess diyhpluswiki nmz787 15:36 < nmz787> oh, must be cache related 15:36 < nmz787> ah, then maybe that fixed it 15:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is that supposed to happen, or was it his cache? 15:37 < nmz787> delinquentme: yeah seen that a while ago, they aren't really lab quality optics b/c of lower signal to noise 15:37 < nmz787> and they don't do UV 15:37 < nmz787> kanzure: jrayhawk: i say cache because I ctrl-shift-n in chrome and then it worked 15:38 < delinquentme> nmz787, signal to noise? the noise being created where / how? 15:38 < delinquentme> the non UV I get 15:38 < delinquentme> or IR 15:39 -!- nsh [56a57106@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.165.113.6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 -!- nsh [56a57106@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.165.113.6] has quit [Changing host] 15:39 -!- nsh [56a57106@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 < nmz787> delinquentme: IR requires an InGaAs sensor, silicon cuts off pretty low in the NIR 15:40 < nmz787> delinquentme: SNR gets lowered by aberattions in the grating and other optics, stray light, etc 15:40 < nmz787> as well as possible DSP going on in the camera's firmware 15:40 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41 < nmz787> even bad grounding/poor circuit design could introduce noise 15:43 < nmz787> the main thing i don't like is the DSP 15:43 < nmz787> because the optics could be upgraded 15:43 < nmz787> but its still a PITA 15:43 < kanzure> alright, so i have 477 commits from openwetware in a separate git repository 15:44 < kanzure> ideally i will also convert heybryan.org/mediawiki/DIYbio_FAQ to git and then rebase all of the openwetware stuff on top 15:44 < nmz787> kanzure: how easy is that? 15:45 < kanzure> well the first step is to find the hard drive, which i estimate to be exactly impossible 15:45 < kanzure> i have been making changes to media2iki to do the mediawiki-to-git conversion 15:45 < kanzure> https://github.com/mithro/media2iki/pull/1 15:46 < kanzure> so the second step would be finding the hard drive, running the old web server, and then exporting the revisions to xml through Special:Export 15:46 < kanzure> then running it through media2iki's hacked up shit that i have been editing 15:46 < kanzure> rebasing the commits will be a little weird; i think i have to make sure the filenames match up or else the rebased history won't make any sense 15:48 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:50 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ grep shared /srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git/config 15:53 < jrayhawk> sharedrepository=0664 15:53 < jrayhawk> you can pinyconfig diyhpluswiki sharedrepository 0666 if you want anybody to be able to edit it 15:53 < jrayhawk> and rebuildrepo diyhpluswiki 15:55 < kanzure> sharedrepository is not a legal tweakable, or 0666 is not a legal value for that tweakable. 15:55 < jrayhawk> oh huh 15:55 < jrayhawk> oh, core.sharedrepository 15:55 < jrayhawk> durrr 15:55 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 15:56 < nmz787> kanzure: why do i see this a lot – in http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/polymerase/notes/ 15:56 < kanzure> because i suck at unicode and utf-8 15:56 < nmz787> do you know what it's supposed to be? 15:57 < nmz787> "the DNA product contained 60–70% dGMP residues, 10–15% each of the two pyrimidine residues, and 5–10% dAMP residues. " 15:57 < nmz787> oh hyphen? 15:57 < kanzure> well "–" is possibly the "hyphen" thing 15:58 < kanzure> and "“" and "â€" are possibly quotes 15:58 < jrayhawk> there are a bajillion lexically distinct hyphens, but fuck 'em 16:00 < nmz787> jrayhawk: yeah 16:01 < jrayhawk> i suppose i should add receive.denyDeletes to pinyconfig 16:03 < jrayhawk> receive.denyNonFastForwards is already in place, at least 16:04 < nsh> only one hyphen, two dashes 16:05 < nsh> http://cutewriting.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/en-dash-em-dash-and-hyphen.html 16:06 < kanzure> hmmm 16:06 < kanzure> so i'm looking through some old hard drives 16:06 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/calxism-sleep-log-2006.php 16:06 < kanzure> fenn: ^ 16:06 < jrayhawk> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_hyphen 16:06 < kanzure> also: yes i admit i used to write php, please don't murder me or think less of me because of it :( 16:08 < nmz787> nsh: seems like 1 hypen, 2, or 3 16:08 < jrayhawk> parameterization is for sissies 16:08 < jrayhawk> sql parameterization, specifically 16:09 < kanzure> it got infinitely worse 16:17 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_dash#Similar_Unicode_characters 16:18 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:19 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 16:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/calxism-temporary-resource-allocation-system-2005.php 16:29 < brownies> we all used to write php 16:30 < brownies> "used to" is the important part, though. 16:30 < kanzure> yes but did you write php for a cult? 16:35 < brownies> no, just clients 16:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40 -!- nsh [56a57106@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46 < kanzure> 22:39 < jihaaaaaad> 1) No logging. Logging = kick. 16:46 < kanzure> oh was that hplusroadmap? 16:46 < kanzure> huh i think someone forgot to kick me 16:48 < kanzure> hrmm why did i know about ultrasound brain stimulation in 2008 16:50 -!- mation [~mation@adsl-69-208-89-144.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 < kanzure> hi mation 16:51 < mation> Hiya! 16:53 < kanzure> jrayhawk: all i can find is this weird skdb/ikiwiki repository from 2008 16:54 -!- mation [~mation@adsl-69-208-89-144.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 16:57 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:58 < skorket> anyone have any experience with Advanced Liquid Logic? 17:00 < kanzure> ERROR 1034 (HY000) at line 1: Incorrect key file for table 'wordmap'; try to repair it 17:01 < skorket> was that for me? 17:02 < kanzure> no i am fixing things 17:07 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:09 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 < kanzure> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 17:21 < kanzure> jrayhawk: any hints? 17:22 < jrayhawk> Where is this? 17:22 < jrayhawk> What is this? 17:22 < jrayhawk> sudo netstat -lpn will tell you what's already bound there 17:30 < kanzure> oh fooey i had a load balancer running, that's right.. 17:39 < kanzure> "Missing rc_timestamp field of recentchanges table. Should not happen." 17:39 < kanzure> well i was stupid to expect the mediawiki upgrade script to work 17:41 -!- Vicarious [diepfriet@CAcert/Vicarious] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42 -!- Vicarious [diepfriet@CAcert/Vicarious] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:10 < nmz787> skorket: i've been on advanced liquid logic's website before 18:10 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18 < delinquentme> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/technology/talk-to-me-one-machine-said-to-the-other.html?_r=1 18:18 < delinquentme> "The combined level of robotic chatter on the world’s wireless networks — measured in the digital data load they exert on networks — is likely soon to exceed that generated by the sum of all human voice conversations taking place on wireless grids." 18:18 < delinquentme> I guess im surprised that it doesnt exceed it already. 18:19 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:40 < kanzure> why is this guy recompiling php http://davejamesmiller.com/blog/web-development/how-to-install-php-5-2-fastcgi-on-debian-6-0-squeeze 18:49 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 18:52 -!- AdrianG_ is now known as AdrianG 19:06 < nmz787> delinquentme: voice is really low bandwidth 19:07 < delinquentme> nmz787, really?? 19:07 < delinquentme> that surprises me 19:07 < delinquentme> but then I know nothing about voice compression 19:07 < nmz787> and most wireless is probably wifi or microwave links that in terms of bandwidth have a lot compared even to AM and FM and shortwave 19:08 < nmz787> also digital media (i.e. satellite TV) is probably not considered audio,certainly not a conversation 19:08 < nmz787> it's the bandwidth more than the compression, you don't need much to reproduce a voice, now a concert/music is different, that's why hearing it through the phone sucks 19:09 < kanzure> you definitely need less than 10 kbps to do voice 19:09 < kanzure> well, to some extent. 19:11 < yashgaroth> dial-up was what, 4kbps? 19:12 < nmz787> well then voice was audio 19:12 < nmz787> and nah dialup got up to 65k 19:12 < nmz787> 56k 19:12 < nmz787> * 19:12 < yashgaroth> I thought that was bits 19:12 < nmz787> kilobits 19:13 < yashgaroth> yeah I meant 4 kilobytes/sec 19:13 < yashgaroth> typical, not maximum 19:13 < kanzure> man, i can't believe i ever paid for that 19:14 < nmz787> 56/8=7 19:14 < nmz787> oh 19:14 < yashgaroth> sure but you need a lot of virgin blood to get to 7 19:14 < nmz787> damn that's why i never had full speed 19:15 < nmz787> yashgaroth: any luck w jobs? 19:15 < yashgaroth> waiting to hear back from like 3 places after interviews 19:16 < brownies> nice, where'd you interview? 19:16 < yashgaroth> verenium, alere, and moore's cancer center 19:16 < yashgaroth> who are respectively: enzyme manufacturing, gmp blood analysis chips, and...cancer stuff 19:17 < kanzure> verenium sounds like a STD 19:17 < yashgaroth> I liked them, they seem chill, but yeah 19:17 < kanzure> ok just making sure. 19:18 < yashgaroth> they had me assembly some centrifugal separator as part of the interview, which was a nice change of pace 19:19 < kanzure> was that before or after they had you pee in a cup? 19:19 < yashgaroth> before, where do you think the pee went? 19:19 < kanzure> yashgaroth: http://diyhpl.us/ 19:20 < yashgaroth> ooh fancy 19:21 < brownies> they drug test? 19:21 < yashgaroth> it 19:21 < yashgaroth> 's just an initial one, not on the reg 19:22 < brownies> intriguing 19:22 < kanzure> brownies: apparently most of yashgaroth's potential employers do drug screens 19:22 < yashgaroth> my last place didn't, but apparently that's not the norm in industry nowadays 19:23 < brownies> i imagine the software startup scene would fall apart if they did such things 19:23 < kanzure> "we're sorry but we can't hire you because you don't have enough cocaine in your system" 19:24 < yashgaroth> biotech startups tend to be more lenient, but glaxo/pfizer/etc do blood screens as well as maybe hair 19:25 < kanzure> so wear a wig? 19:25 < yashgaroth> any excuse to wear a wig and I'm down 19:25 < brownies> no shit? i had no idea 19:26 < brownies> oh, i guess it's because they're pretty close to FDA approval procedures and whatnot, so i guess they have to be on top of their researchers 19:26 < kanzure> http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/judge-wig.jpg 19:26 < jrayhawk> yashgaroth: Kbps vs KBps 19:26 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i always thought that was silly 19:26 < jrayhawk> semantics usually are 19:27 < kanzure> and then there's the god damn kibibits or something 19:27 < kanzure> and kibibytes 19:28 < jrayhawk> Yeah, everyone should use those to get rid of that ambiguity 19:28 < yashgaroth> capital letters, pfah 19:28 < kanzure> i always mean "kilobytes" when i say "kbps" 19:28 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28 < kanzure> i guess i could switch to kby? 19:28 < jrayhawk> also with V.44 and PPP compression speeds higher than 10KiBps were common for plaintext. 19:29 < kanzure> kibibits or kibibytes? 19:29 < yashgaroth> kibyps 19:29 < kanzure> noo don't confuse things 19:29 < jrayhawk> if you have trouble distinguishing between a lower case 'b' and an upper case 'B' perhaps you should acquire glasses 19:29 < kanzure> well, i have trouble distinguishing whether or not the author implied one b or the other B 19:36 < kanzure> so i added "deb http://archives.dotdeb.org/ lenny all" to /etc/apt/sources.list 19:36 < kanzure> and i want to get one of the 5.2.x's 19:36 < kanzure> after apt-get update-ing, "sudo apt-get install php5=5.2.17" gives me "E: Version '5.2.17' for 'php5' was not found" 19:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: am i missing a step? 19:37 < kanzure> http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/lenny/php5/ 19:37 < ParahSailin> i cant find that cryptosphere thread on hackernews anymore 19:37 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4316632 19:39 < ParahSailin> oh damn, front page i was skipping over it 19:41 < ParahSailin> i dont see how cryptosphere would be useful for publishing 19:41 < ParahSailin> other than storing plaintext on other parties' machines 19:43 < kanzure> i wasn't impressed and didn't look further 19:43 < kanzure> when thesnark shows up you can pester him, he likes to talk big about freenet or all the other freenet contenders 19:44 < kanzure> or that other one.. tamato.. tomahoe.. tomahawk.. whatever. 19:47 < jrayhawk> this does not appear to be a debian repository 19:47 < kanzure> well that would explain it 19:48 < kanzure> i'd like to downgrade all of these: 19:48 < kanzure> libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-gd php5-mcrypt php5-mysql phpmyadmin 19:50 < kanzure> mediawiki-1.12 is incompatible with php-5.3.x and mediawiki-master is unable to upgrade the old mysql tables i recovered 19:50 < jrayhawk> downgrades are rather poorly tested; it might be best to choose a debian or ubuntu release and debootstrap it 19:50 < jrayhawk> and then chroot or lxc into it 19:51 < kanzure> and then run apache from inside the chroot? 19:51 < jrayhawk> if you want apache, sure 19:51 < kanzure> no i was just wondering about http servers inside chroots in general 19:52 < jrayhawk> it'll happily attempt to bind to 0.0.0.0:80 if nothing else has 19:53 < jrayhawk> chroots are not a security mechanism; everything will work normally, things executed under chroot will just look up paths differently unless they go through the extra work not to 19:54 < jrayhawk> you might want to do something like for i in dev proc; do mount --bind /$i /path/to/chroot/$i; done before attempting to chroot in 19:55 < jrayhawk> if you're attempting to do this on gnusha, there'll be some permissions problems and i should probably do the debootstrap step for you 19:55 < kanzure> hrmm this is going to take forever on my local machine 19:55 < kanzure> would you mind if we did this on gnusha? 19:56 < jrayhawk> that'd be fine. what release do you want? 19:56 < kanzure> i promise to keep all the php garbage inside the chroot 19:56 < kanzure> lenny? i think lenny is php-5.2 or lower ? 19:56 < kanzure> the thing i need to avoid is php-5.3.x 19:56 < jrayhawk> looks like lenny is 5.2.6 19:57 < kanzure> that should work 20:04 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:05 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:10 < jrayhawk> man, archive.debian.org is just slow in general 20:15 < jrayhawk> i suppose if i were a nicer person i would've made this a whole new vserver so you wouldn't have to worry about ports 20:15 < jrayhawk> huh, netcat-traditional is in base now 20:16 < jrayhawk> or, rather, netcat-traditional was in base several releases ago 20:16 < jrayhawk> i wonder why 20:17 < jrayhawk> anywho, sudo chroot /root/lenny appears to work 20:24 < jrayhawk> http://vimeo.com/46304267 "Sight" 20:32 < AdrianG> http://inhabitat.com/nyc-will-replace-taxis-with-new-driverless-google-cabs/ 20:32 < AdrianG> zomg 20:32 < AdrianG> driverless cars? 20:32 < AdrianG> i can has? 20:36 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:37 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:37 < nmz787> AdrianG: are you in NYC? 20:38 < AdrianG> no :< 20:39 < kanzure> jrayhawk: thank you sir 20:42 < nmz787> AdrianG: the comments says "april fools" 20:42 < AdrianG> :o 20:43 < AdrianG> no :< 20:46 < jrayhawk> Yeah, the mayor of new york does not have the power to arbitrarily nullify state law 20:48 < kanzure> are you certain? :( 20:50 < strangewarp> pot is still illegal in NY because the state senate is majority Republican, so, yeah 20:50 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i set /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default to and /etc/init.d/apache2 start is complaining about port 80 20:50 < jrayhawk> /etc/apache2/ports.conf 20:50 < kanzure> doh. 20:51 < jrayhawk> which is also where you need to enable fucking virtualhosting on ssl 20:52 < kanzure> hmm 20:52 < kanzure> so i set it to and restarted apache2 and http://diyhpl.us:2022/ doesn't go anywhere 20:52 < jrayhawk> like altnames and sni and wildcards are some sort of crazy voodoo 20:52 < kanzure> well, *:2022 didn't work either. 20:53 < jrayhawk> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5040 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 27207/apache2 20:53 < jrayhawk> http://gnusha.org:5040/ 20:54 < kanzure> $ curl gnusha.org:5040 20:54 < kanzure> curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 20:54 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ curl gnusha.org:5040 20:54 < jrayhawk>

It works!

20:55 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ curl gnusha.org:5040 20:55 < jrayhawk>

It works!

20:57 < bkero> PREPARE FOR BATTLE 20:57 < kanzure> hmm well that laptop just got disconnected from wifi 20:57 < kanzure> so perhaps that was a premonition of things to come 20:58 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 20:58 < jrayhawk> i theorize the universe just hates it when you try to do system administration 21:02 < nmz787> delinquentme: http://desktopfactory2012.istart.org/ 21:03 < delinquentme> i thought there was someone on kickstarter already building a filament extruder 21:05 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is this why the lenovo thinkpad series suddenly began to suck when i finally started to consider it? 21:06 < nmz787> wifi drivers? 21:07 < kanzure> once every five weeks i go without rebooting i need to load/unload rtl8192se.ko 21:07 < kanzure> to get wifi back to working. 21:11 < jrayhawk> ha ha you have a realtek 21:14 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 < kanzure> wait.. $ curl http://gnusha.org:5040/ 21:16 < kanzure> curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 21:17 < kanzure> i have tested this from two computers. 21:18 < kanzure> but "curl http://131.252.130.248:5040" works. 21:19 < kanzure> but not from chrome. 21:19 < kanzure> ok now it works from chrome. hrmmm. 21:31 < delinquentme> anyone happen to know about this quit smoking thing that identifies the logic behind " why i need to smoke " and then attempts to rectify it? 21:31 < delinquentme> tis for a friend. 21:37 < kanzure> hint: if you remove their brain then their addiction disappears 21:37 < yashgaroth> how do you rectify sweet, sweet nicotine 21:38 < kanzure> by removing the brain 21:38 < delinquentme> hahah 21:38 < delinquentme> very halpful 21:42 -!- Von [~androirc@174.141.191.141] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:42 < Von> I have a question 21:43 < Von> About magnetic implants 21:43 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:44 < Von> -.- Everyone in here is dead too 21:45 < yashgaroth> the plague got us 21:45 < yashgaroth> we're not instant genies sorry 21:45 < Von> Pity about the plague 21:45 < Von> I had a question 21:45 < yashgaroth> aye, so what's your question 21:46 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:46 < Von> Yeah! So, can i do an implant myself? 21:46 < yashgaroth> I wouldn't recommend it 21:47 < Von> Why not? 21:47 < delinquentme> Von, to what ends? 21:47 < delinquentme> why do you seek to stick things in you? 21:47 < yashgaroth> well there's gonna be an awful lot of blood, and stiching with one hand is rather difficult 21:47 < delinquentme> if its novelty 21:47 < delinquentme> thats a shitty answer 21:47 < yashgaroth> stitching* 21:48 < Von> Itd be an amazing bar joke :D 21:48 < yashgaroth> try asking around at local tattoo/bodymod parlors if they'd be up for it, or fly to arizona 21:48 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 < nmz787> anyone know how to rip scribd docs that can't be downloaded by default? 21:49 < kanzure> i could do it if i stare at the problem long enough 21:50 < nmz787> http://www.scribd.com/doc/21463280/Imaging-Cellular-and-Molecular-Biological-Functions 21:51 < Von> Where could i buy magnets that wont erode from, aside from the internet? 21:51 < delinquentme> Von, you're doing this to get drunk 21:51 < delinquentme> ? 21:51 < kanzure> geeze, i hate scribd 21:51 < kanzure> i wish assholes would stop using scribd 21:51 < Von> Nah. Im doing it for the hell of it 21:51 < yashgaroth> local shops won't carry biocompatibly-coated tiny magnets, ask someone on biohack.me to send you one 21:51 < delinquentme> sounds like a stupid reason 21:51 < delinquentme> why dont you build a robot and give it away to people in 4rd world countries 21:51 < Von> And? 21:52 < delinquentme> Do something for someone / some cause 21:52 < delinquentme> what you're doing is stupid 21:52 < delinquentme> and therefore you by extension. 21:52 < delinquentme> im out kids 21:52 < delinquentme> sleep time 21:52 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53 < yashgaroth> oh don't mind him 21:53 < yashgaroth> nmz787 http://libgen.info/view.php?id=502858 21:53 < nmz787> wait, i have download access through a proxy 21:53 < Von> About how much would a procedure cost at a tat shop? 21:53 < Von> Im honestly thinking about doing this 21:54 < kanzure> haha delinquentme calling someone else stupid, that's funny. 21:54 < yashgaroth> no idea, I've never even gotten a tat, so I'll just say $200 21:55 < Von> Sounds reasonable 21:55 < strangewarp> god, I hate that attitude 21:55 < Von> One last question 21:55 < strangewarp> "science for immediate social justice or none at all!!" 21:55 < Von> Lets assume im gunna do it myself. Would i be able to inject it with a needle? 21:55 < kanzure> no 21:56 < Von> Why not? 21:56 < kanzure> this involves cutting up your dermal layers and sliding it in 21:56 < yashgaroth> that's gonna be a big fuckoff needle 21:56 < Von> Mm. I guess 21:57 < Von> So the best bet is to go to a tat shop and ask around 21:57 < nmz787> yashgaroth: actually that's different than what I was looking for http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/NanoCellBiology%20of%20Secretion.pdf 21:57 < nmz787> Von how deep do you want it? 21:57 < nmz787> Von how deep have others placed them? 21:58 < Von> I... have no idea 21:58 < Von> Am i supposed to know this shit? 21:59 < kanzure> why again are you doing this? you don't seem to know why? 21:59 < kanzure> or any of the other w's 21:59 < Von> I dont have a why 21:59 < Von> I want something DIFFERENT 21:59 < kanzure> how about linux 21:59 < Von> People get tats and piercings, i say magnets! =D 22:00 < Von> I have linux on my main comp 22:00 < kanzure> oh, then bsd. it will be like alien land. 22:00 < Von> Trip boot linux, windoze and OSX, actually 22:00 < nmz787> OS2 22:01 < Von> I have that on a virtual machine 22:02 < Von> :3 22:03 < Von> How much would a procedure like this hurt without anaesthetic? 22:04 < yashgaroth> you can keep the finger in icewater until it's numb, but there's still quite a lot of nerves in the fingertip 22:05 < kanzure> Von: well, someone posted a video of a procedure without anesthetics and it was basically screaming torture level 22:05 < nmz787> i got two tats for $80 total 22:05 < nmz787> but that isn't really surgery 22:06 < Von> So... for someone who hates pain, anesthetic is a must 22:06 < nmz787> I would do it for you for $100, but you'd have to sign a release of suing-me rights 22:06 < nmz787> and realize it was my first time 22:06 < nmz787> :P 22:07 < yashgaroth> I'll do it for 90 22:07 < Von> Have either of you actually done this type of thing? 22:07 < yashgaroth> nah it's a marginal benefit mostly good for bar tricks 22:07 < kanzure> i think card tricks might rate higher 22:07 < Von> Kanzure? 22:08 < yashgaroth> have you tried taping/gluing a magnet to your fingertip and seeing how you like it? try that first 22:08 < nmz787> i've done dissections, but not surgery 22:08 < kanzure> Von: thoroughly not interested in a magnetic implant 22:08 < nmz787> and i know sterile technique second-nature 22:08 < kanzure> also, i dislike how the bodymodders imply it's somehow transhumanist 22:09 < Von> So, im getting advice from people who have never done this sort of thing before 22:09 < Von> Lol 22:09 < kanzure> we have lots of people that come by in here and yap about it 22:09 < yashgaroth> vicarious has one but he's on dutch time 22:10 < kanzure> smeaaagle: are you a pokemon? 22:10 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:10 < yashgaroth> biohack.me has a dozen threads about it if you want info from people who've done it 22:11 < Von> Im on my phone 22:11 < Von> Im ginna get on biohack.me tomorro 22:11 < Von> See what it all actually entails 22:12 -!- Von [~androirc@174.141.191.141] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 22:12 < kanzure> right... 22:13 < yashgaroth> well then 22:13 < kanzure> well, at least he didn't claim it was transhumanist/biohacking/whatever 22:13 < kanzure> he just genuinely wants one for the fun of it 22:13 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13 < kanzure> and/or novelty 22:14 < kanzure> jrayhawk: /etc/init.d/mysql start claims "df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory" 22:16 < kanzure> bryan@gnusha:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop 22:16 < kanzure> Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed 22:16 < kanzure> i was thinking maybe there was a port conflict with both databases running (why am i running mysql on gnusha anyway?) 22:17 < kanzure> hmm that seemed to do the trick. 22:17 < kanzure> (once i sigkilled it) 22:18 < nmz7871> there have got to be legal implications for back-alley surgery 22:22 < brownies> there was an AMA on reddit a while back from a guy who had a magnet or three jammed into his finger/thumb/something 22:22 < brownies> it did seem interesting... but there were all kinds of caveats 22:23 < kanzure> brownies: a while back there was this attention whore going around talking about the procedure, calling it some sort of transcendental mode of existence 22:24 < brownies> that seems a bit much 22:25 < brownies> on the topic of sixth senses, i still want a compass-belt 22:29 -!- nsh [~Smedley@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:31 < kanzure> jrayhawk: so if i refresh a few hundred times, sometimes the connection will work for one or two requests 22:31 < nsh> what you talking about? 22:32 < kanzure> nsh: i am running apache2 inside of a chroot 22:32 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org:5040/ 22:33 < nsh> to any particular end? 22:34 < kanzure> man, i hate google chrome 22:34 < kanzure> "other users are also experiencing difficulties connecting to this site" 22:34 < kanzure> why would you possibly know this 22:36 < nsh> retrocausal analytics 22:37 < nmz7871> anyone used google visualization api? 22:37 < kanzure> i've used google charts api? 22:38 < nmz7871> is it useful? 22:38 < nmz7871> kanzure: this https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/reference 22:38 < nmz7871> kanzure: ? 22:38 < kanzure> something like that yes 22:38 < kanzure> yeah i've used it in random places where i didn't want to bother with raphael.js or three.js 22:38 -!- nmz7871 is now known as nmz787 22:39 < nmz787> what do they do? 22:39 < kanzure> you should consider three.js.. https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js#readme 22:39 < nmz787> does some account need to be signed in? 22:39 < nmz787> to use the g api? 22:39 < kanzure> hey wait 22:39 < kanzure> where is their gallery :( 22:39 < kanzure> they used to have a neat three.js gallery in their readme 22:39 < kanzure> http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/ 22:39 < kanzure> no you don't need an account to use the google charts api 22:40 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@118-92-250-50.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:42 < nmz787> kanzure: what do you think about security? https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/issues/1076 22:42 < nmz787> i think morgan stanley apparently is using the google thing 22:47 < nmz787> does anyone here understand sigma delta modulation? 22:52 < nsh> looks dodgy 22:52 < nsh> one should be instantly skeptical of consecutive greek letters 22:57 < kanzure> which version of mediawiki didn't have the "page_restrictions" table? 22:59 < nmz787> http://www.websdr.org/ 22:59 < nmz787> pretty cool 23:00 < nsh> wiat 23:00 < nsh> wait 23:01 < nsh> how's that work? the radio is tuned to all the frequencies, or lots of parallel tuning circuits? 23:01 * nsh reads faq 23:04 < nsh> nmz787, this is super cool. thanks 23:05 < nmz787> nsh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_radio#Receiver_architecture 23:06 < nmz787> then the output of the ADC is piped to that JAVA app, i think... the server may do the fourier transform, but I'm not sure 23:06 < superkuh> If you can find one, grab one of the dvb television dongles compatible with librtlsdr. It's a lot of fun for SDR. 23:06 < superkuh> And <$20. 23:06 < nsh> sweet 23:06 * superkuh has 4. 23:08 < nmz787> nsh: also this http://hackaday.com/2012/03/20/software-defined-radio-from-a-usb-tv-capture-card/ 23:08 < nmz787> nsh: ^ that's what superkuh is talking about 23:08 < nsh> noted 23:09 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/gnuradio.html 23:11 < nmz787> nsh: http://youtu.be/bKzii5K3AqA?t=1m52s 23:11 < nmz787> "World's cheapest aviation RADAR Mode S ADS-B receiver: AvMap + $20 RTL2832 Dongle" 23:11 < nsh> terms of penance don't allow me to have that many tabs open at once 23:12 < nsh> should really write that script that kills tabs on lose-focus and reloads on gain 23:12 < nsh> ram is worth more than render time in this arrangement of silicon 23:12 < kanzure> you should upgrade to 16 GB 23:13 < nsh> that would be nice 23:14 < nmz787> superkuh: do you know if the 2.4 MSPS means it's limited to realizing 1.2 MHz signals? 23:18 < nmz787> I wonder if this could be used for SDR http://www.ti.com/tool/adc12d1800rfrb 23:18 < nmz787> specifically thinking of those differential power analysis attacks 23:18 < nmz787> where you need to look at CPU speed power transitions 23:20 < nsh> can you elaborate? 23:22 < nsh> oh, so analogous to timing attacks, but using the power consumption profile of a black-box to glean information about its internal states 23:24 < nsh> nmz787, not sure i see the relation to CPU stepping though 23:24 < nsh> or SRD for that matter 23:25 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:26 < superkuh> nmz787, It is not. The actual sample rate internally is greater than the 7(?) Mhz needed to decode dbt tv. 23:26 < superkuh> I... you should ask on ##rtlsdr. 23:26 < superkuh> I am no expert. 23:26 < superkuh> But I have certainly looked at signals larger than 2 Mhz wide. 23:29 * nsh tries to parse this 23:30 < nsh> what kind of a signals are there over such a frequency range? 23:30 < nmz787> cool 23:30 < nmz787> i think it downconverts the tuned band with a heterodyne principle 23:31 < nmz787> since the MHz or GHz is usually just the carrier freq 23:31 < nmz787> as long as the bandwidth used is less than the sampling rate (or half of the sampling rate, nyquist), it should be fine 23:32 < nmz787> well like voice is from 60hz to 7000hz 23:33 < nmz787> so if the carrier freq was 1GHz, you can downconvert that to 1MHz, because the information is only max 14KHz wide (7000 Hz * 2 because of something called sideband symmetry) 23:34 < nmz787> and you don't lose anything 23:36 * nsh exhibits groklust 23:38 < skorket> nmz787, have you had dealings with Advanced Liquid Logic? 23:41 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:45 < nmz787> skorket: no, are you considering it? 23:45 < skorket> no, just curious 23:45 < skorket> they do seem to have a cool product 23:45 < kanzure> "from within function "Revision::fetchRow". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'rev_len' in 'field list' (localhost)"" 23:45 < skorket> not that I'm any authority 23:46 < kanzure> so i guess i need something from before mediawiki-1.11 23:47 < nmz787> skorket: I wish they had cooler products :P 23:47 < skorket> what is your critique of their product? 23:48 < nmz787> but i guess i want to build a cooler thing, so i'm actually glad they aren't building them 23:48 < nmz787> specifically a gene/episome DNA synthesizer and electroporator 23:50 < skorket> I only see two products which don't have anything to do with DNA synthesis. Am I misreading it? 23:51 < nmz787> nope 23:51 < nmz787> i'm saying what I want to build 23:51 < nmz787> could also be a product 23:51 < skorket> ah, and what they don't have or offer 23:51 < nmz787> yeah 23:52 < nmz787> jrayhawk: kanzure: can I use a single apache instance to serve two sub folders to 2 separate domains? 23:53 < nsh> yes 23:54 < kanzure> yep. 23:54 < kanzure> gnusha.org diyhpl.us and a bunch of other lame-ass domains are all served up by the same apache 2instance 23:54 < kanzure> *apache2 23:55 < kanzure> oh heybryan.org 23:55 < kanzure> and fennetic.net 23:55 < nmz787> how do I do that? 23:55 < kanzure> you bug me or jrayhawk to edit some file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ 23:56 < kanzure> you can look at those files to see some examples fo how this magic works 23:56 < kanzure> (on gnusha) --- Log closed Wed Aug 01 00:00:25 2012