--- Log opened Wed Aug 01 00:00:25 2012
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00:12  * nsh needs to stop getting lost in large webhosting servers
00:21 < nmz787> ?
00:21 < nmz787> jrayhawk: what were the amateur rocket guys using for comms?
00:21 < nmz787> what freqs?
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01:40 < nmz787> nsh: http://www.complextoreal.com/chapters/signals.pdf
01:48 < nsh> thanks
01:50 < jrayhawk> IIRC it's 802.11, but they're all hardware and ham nerds, so they may be doing something crazy to it
01:53 < jrayhawk> and, fwiw, with the configs the way they are on gnusha, adding a virtual host is as easy for us as sudo mkdir /srv/www/domain.name; sudo chown nmz787.nmz787 /srv/www/domain.name
01:54 < jrayhawk> though stuff on there should be non-commercial, elsewise i get yelled at
01:54  * nsh smiles
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01:56 < jrayhawk> if you have commercial stuff you want hosted, i have resources elsewhere
01:57 < nsh> "The human voice, for example, spans in frequency from 30 Hz to 10,000 Hz."
01:57  * nsh tries to imagine someone hitting 30Hz with their voice
01:57 < nsh> that's below the lowest note on a bass guitar
01:57 < jrayhawk> kanzure: some init scripts are a little dumb and don't use pid files, instead relying on the existence of /proc
01:58 < nsh> where does /proc not exist?
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01:58 < nsh> maybe some embedded things
01:58 < jrayhawk> normally this would be as simple as mount --bind /proc /root/lenny/proc but vserver restrictions make things complicated
01:58 < nsh> oh, chroot
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02:00 < jrayhawk> not sure why the mysql init script is using df; it should be using statf calls directly with stat -f
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02:04 < nmz787> jrayhawk: i got a 128mb ram server for $18/year
02:05 < nmz787> it's running django development server now with apache too, doing alright
02:05 < nmz787> what would you have for commercial stuff?
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02:14 < jrayhawk> huh, that's an interesting deal.
02:14 < jrayhawk> i have a bunch of machines in colo
02:23 < nsh> it's so sad sometimes to find that english is a person's native language
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05:00  * nsh- wants a universal software radio peripheral
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05:42 < ThomasEgi> nsh-, like ham radio stuff?
05:42 < archels> nsh-: SDR
05:43 < archels> must have deep pockets, though.
05:48 < nsh-> This is a list of some of the applications the USRP has been used for: -An APCO25 compatible transmitter/receiver and decoder[4]; -RFID reader; -testing equipment; -a cellular GSM base station[5]; -a GPS receiver[6]; -an FM radio receiver[7]; -an FM radio transmitter[8]; -a digital television (ATSC) decoder[9]; -passive radar; -synthetic aperture radar; -an amateur radio[10]; -a teaching aid [1]; -Digital Audio Broadca
05:48 < nsh-> sting (DAB/DAB+/DMB) transmitter [11][12]; -Mobile WiMAX receiver with USRP N2x0 [13]
05:49 < ThomasEgi> hm.. where's the microwave-oven functionality??
05:49 < Vicarious> ohai
05:49 < nsh-> and an FPGA thrown in for fun
05:50 < nsh-> ThomasEgi, active tin-foil
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05:51 < delinquentme_> HIO!
05:51 < archels> $650 and up
05:51 < archels> and that does not include frequency conversion
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05:57 < ThomasEgi> 650.. doesn't sound terribly expensive when you are used to lab-equipment prices
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07:54 < delinquentme> nice!
07:54 < delinquentme> jmil,
07:54 < delinquentme> figured out a way to setup a shaker to be switchable between orbital and circular
07:55 < delinquentme> alsoooo do you have the capability to print out those parts you've got on thingverse?
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08:05 < jmil> nice
08:05 < jmil> whut? ya we can print them easy
08:06 < jmil> kanzure: just got interviewed on a weekly science podcast from the SMBC guy and his wife: http://t.co/VIwR4TFV
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09:31 < kanzure> damn, i was using a mediawiki version from 2006?
09:36 < kanzure> "(last version to support PHP 4)"
09:48 < kanzure> well it works..
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10:48 < nsh-> are you a doctor and a postdoc? is that not grounds for institutionalisation?
10:57 < kanzure> jrayhawk: we need to enable users permission to use diyhpluswiki :(
10:57 < nmz787> nsh-: grounds for institutionalization??? hah, you'd better get ready to have tons of people locked up
10:58 < nmz787> jrayhawk: vpscheap.net is where i got that deal from
10:58 < kanzure> if you jail all the postdocs then alll your criminals will be experts
10:59 < nmz787> jrayhawk: I hit the RAM limit a few times though when I had a bunch of crap open and was trying to also do apt-get updates
11:00 < kanzure> jrayhawk: or maybe we should enable that openid plugin
11:02 < nsh-> nmz787, do you know about nice and renice?
11:03 < nsh-> i wonder if you can do userspace ram compression
11:03 < nsh-> i suppose it's just a ld preload or two
11:07 < nmz787> nsh-: yeah i've heard of them, thanks for reminding me
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11:53 < nmz787> anyone ever hear of microcarve? http://microcarve.com/
11:53 < nmz787> fenn: ^
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12:35 < kanzure> http://www.facebook.com/l/wAQEbqt0Y/www.carboncopies.org/sfn-satellite-symposium-on-whole-brain-circuit-reconstruction-oct-16-2012
12:35 < kanzure> bleh a facebook link
12:35 < kanzure> sorry
12:37 < kanzure> http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/08/01/changes-to-thingiverse-beautiful-new-renders/
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13:28 < kanzure> so i have hplusroadmap-diybio-commits.git which starts at afb8aff and ends at e8698c
13:29 < kanzure> and i have openwetware-diybio-commits.git which starts at cf833de and ends at af4cec0
13:29 < kanzure> so i git fetched hplusroadmap-diybio-commits into openwetware-diybio-commits
13:29 < kanzure> and did "echo 'e8698cc1bc37c248f3ebe41d12fc6793795f31e3 cf833de973ae02e7f35409866c71ffa65dc26d7f' >> .git/info/grafts"
13:30 < kanzure> however, "git log" doesn't seem to show a grafted history.
13:31 < kanzure> oh oops i guess that order is wrong
13:32 < nsh> this is the kind of thing that would get you burned at the stake back in castledays
13:33 < kanzure> nsh: it's a complicated story
13:33 < kanzure> hplusroadmap-wiki used to be hosted at heybryan.org/mediawiki
13:33 < kanzure> and i wrote a diybio faq
13:33 < kanzure> and then mac cowell copied it to openwetware
13:33 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ
13:34 < kanzure> but now i want it to be in http://diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki under git revision control
13:34 < kanzure> so i have converted all the mediawiki commits on openwetware into git
13:34 < kanzure> and the former hplusroadmap-wiki commits into git
13:34 < kanzure> and appended the former on to the latter... erm, or the other way around.
13:34 < nsh> right
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13:35 < kanzure> Hasp1: didn't i give you homework?
13:35 < Hasp1> Me? You showed me the bio offices in Boston
13:35 < kanzure> yeah did you go?
13:36 < Hasp1> Not yet
13:43 < nmz787> kanzure: can your scripts handle another pull from oww if that get's updated in the future?
13:44 < kanzure> sure
13:45 < nmz787> kewl
13:46 < jrayhawk> 15:53 < jrayhawk> you can pinyconfig diyhpluswiki sharedrepository 0666 if you want anybody to be able to edit it
13:46 < jrayhawk> 15:53 < jrayhawk> and rebuildrepo diyhpluswiki
13:48 < jrayhawk> realistically i should modify pinyconfig to run rebuildrepo unless --no-rebuild is passed to it or something
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13:49 < kanzure> sharedrepository is not a legal tweakable, or 0666 is not a legal value for that tweakable.
13:49 < kanzure> Can't locate object method "sharedrepository" via package "Piny::Config" at /usr/sbin/pinyconfig line 51.
13:51  * nsh wants homework
13:51 < jrayhawk> 15:55 < jrayhawk> oh, core.sharedrepository
13:51 < jrayhawk> 15:55 < jrayhawk> durrr
13:52 < nmz787> nsh: write me a paper on the definition of a word
13:52 < nmz787> srsly
13:52 < nsh> which word?
13:53 < nsh> or word in the abstract sense?
13:53 < kanzure> here we go
13:53 < kanzure> this is it
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: afb8aff Just starting out.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d331cf5 /* What equipment is in a basic biology lab? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a926c3d (no commit message)
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 76c093f /* How can I get involved? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: eca8f9b /* What equipment is in a basic biology lab? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e5fef82 /* What's all this about "open", anyway? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8f9a41a /* Microfluidics MiniFAQ */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b116a44 /* Microfluidics MiniFAQ */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 48cd503 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d2910ce Adding a video to the news section.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e136a83 twitter, friendfeed, vimeo video
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9e9c335 Adding a section on keiki gels.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a35804f Added a section on synthetic biology.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 70d79bc DNA synthesis mini FAQ stuff.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 62c0ccc Forgot to copy over some of the companies from the synthetic biology page.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e8698cc (no commit message)
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 59ddbf5 duplicated today from http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DIYbio_FAQ
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13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3a124d5 /* Is there a group in my area? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1fa37f2 /* What is DIYbio, as an organization? */
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13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b6509d6 /* What is synthetic biology? */
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13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4fcd564 /* What equipment do I need to perform experiment XYZ? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: eefeeb3 /* Microfluidics MiniFAQ */ (fixed a link)
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f2a499f /* Where can I see an archive of previous DIYbio discussions and questions? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c5a14eb Instructions, protocols, hardware packaging, open source hardware.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6456853 /* Are there any plans for a DIYbio-friendly file format for protocols, instructions and hardware? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 550166c /* What's all this about "open", anyway? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 168c7ce /* What is open source hardware? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f0f0b76 /* Legal issues */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c057838 /* BioBricks (legal stuff) */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7481859 /* BioBricks (legal stuff) */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 916e1a7 /* BioBricks (legal stuff) */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6dcd2d2 genetic engineering
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 593a5d9 /* DNA synthesis MiniFAQ */ (DIY DNA synthesis)
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e87ab30 /* What equipment is in a basic biology lab? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cfd9f04 /* MacGyverisms */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f5cdac1 5 minute DNA extraction in a shot glass, macgyverisms
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 676e82c Added some regional videos.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 550c7cb Fixing the formatting of the biobricks legal stuff section.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ebf25a2 /* Legal issues */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ef60a95 Added some questions.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 093cce7 Auctions for lab equipment, list of sites.
13:53 < jrayhawk> this might've been unwise
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 722ca63 Safety documentation
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 29134d1 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 96cb7ec DNA synthesis MiniFAQ - updated links to threads
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 33f109b DIY microfluidics for continuous liquid flow using toner transfer (How To)
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e54a195 Added a link to the discussion on list standards.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8a81e45 oops, syntax error
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8a53fce /* How can I get involved? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 41c1fc5 /* How can I get involved? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a24bcd4 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c993d44 Open Source Everything project
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: aa7c23b attempts at defining the biohacker
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: eabed0c added a mention of a freely available video
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3918f79 ack, formatting :(
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9939b56 added a mention of dorkbot and hackerspaces to related groups
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c29d39a Add "What is synthetic biology?" from "real source" at http://gcat.davidson.edu/GcatWiki/index.php/A_Review_of_Synthetic_Biology
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8bb291e /* What are biobricks? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: aac0c67 Single paragraph describes it.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: adeacc0 mention sharing is digital format on the internet (in case that isnt obvious)
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7e59816 Agar purification recipes (needs to be moved somewhere else)
13:53 < kanzure> bwahahaha
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: aa48e36 AFM equipment, spectrophotometry equipment
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b39f004 /* Appendix 1 - list of Synthetic Biology Companies */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 832d923 Add 'how to make Taq'
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e8ed946 New page: == ToolBook Business Model == reformatted from http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/57c91e1db7b877c8  Let's have a look at a possible business model for th...
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13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1c084d6 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4ddd76f add section for eduational videos etc.   inc revision to 1.1
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 86783c1 /* DNA synthesis MiniFAQ */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 649940c Use 1 word instead of 10.   be succinct.   make bullet lists.  reorder.   also add UV sterilization.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a606d03 /* What's all this about "open", anyway? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: fc3f4b2 /* What equipment do I need to perform DIYBio-related projects? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 454eadf /* Are there any plans for a DIYbio-friendly file format for protocols, instructions and hardware? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cb4a621 netiquette
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6fb2e1f add section about 'diybio model organisms'
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e9af3a5 move discussion about pages to the "Talk" tab /* What's all this about "open", anyway? */
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13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 87acf54 /* What's all this about "open", anyway? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 450c64b add note about PLOS /* What's all this about "open", anyway? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4dc3658 find/add link to Rob Carlson's article /* What's all this about "open", anyway? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: df287b4 add papar about agar DOI	10.1007/BF00152620
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4056528 bump rev for fun
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9cabb6a /* FAQ Revision History */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8760ef8 /* Using Agar instead of Agarose */
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13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0751b07 Add info to replace link to thread
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e50c7c7 /* Using Other Starches to Substitute for Agarose */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3eb36a3 more edits to replace thread link
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1e1de74 /* Using Other Starches to Substitute for Agarose */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e44dcc4 more distill thread
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6d81723 more thread distillation
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6ce2fd9 fix formating
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ae78cad change "file format" to "database".  Makes more sense.
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ccd3f0c fix formatting
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ebaa7d2 retrosynthesis
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8a50f69 /* What is DIYbio, as an organization? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: fe92d3b refactor and create separate topic
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bbe5cbc Paste from DIYBio FAQ to create new topic
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6556efb Paste from DIYBio FAQ to create new topic
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e9c7b7c refactor educational section to separate topic
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 96470f7 minor edit
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f90551e /* What are the Guidelines for Posting to the DIYBio mailing lists and/or Forums? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: be02130 /* What are the Guidelines for Posting to the DIYBio mailing lists and/or Forums? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e7d3aa9 /* Appendix 1 - list of Synthetic Biology Companies */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c351b55 add project section link, clarify text
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4ad6bef add new section
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ec916e9 fix link
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0127a04 /* What Projects has DIYBio completed?  What projects are DIYBio contributors working on now?  Who is working on what?  Who do I contact to offer to collaborate on a project? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5840c45 move the skdb stuff to proper place
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 265519a add Appendix 2 - List of Equipment Suppliers
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7cc1bb6 move list to main page to appendix of companies
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 506c555 Added http://openwetware.org/wiki/Template:DIYbio:Top
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 22f7641 add template
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9ed04cf add template
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: edf4ccf rudeness on the list
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7c8473e link to diybio projects page on diybio.org
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9d2a124 New page: add feedback on the FAQ here.  *'''~~~~''':
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ef72843 /* Using Agar instead of Agarose */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e0dad2a /* Substitutes for Expensive Agarose */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7c5173f fix link
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d645ba3 add dna stains
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c9b30a9 fix misspelling, clean up text
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2da4d77 add project idea section to reduce re-hash of discussions
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 094ce93 minor formatting fix
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9d379bc fix format
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d97f5d2 Add new sections
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bf4c158 Add classic version
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5c880af /* Do you recommend any feeds, blogs, wikis, instructables, .. ? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 835ae6f bump up the rev & move project links to project page
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4256e4f add external links
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 04e921c add more on bioreactors
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a0d195a /* Basics of Growing Algae */ make into subsection
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e5e3cca add Appendix 3 - Laboratory Basics
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5dbd810 fix bad formatting
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2cffcb7 Refer to Projects page & cleanup formatting.  all links here should be farmed for FAQ material eventually, esp for Projects page. /* What Equipment can I build myself ? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f27c1c6 add "we dont know what we dont know" from Robert Horn
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 39ba4c4 add date of the paper, which is significant
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e699e9a add What equipment do I need to preserve my microbes?
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2e807f1 /* What equipment do I need to preserve my microbes? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 072a664 add The Biocoil Project /* For Algae */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 70fa4e0 clarify " manual-defrost " freezer /* What equipment do I need to preserve my microbes? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1526292 add general rule /* What equipment do I need to preserve my microbes? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: acc4a03 paste from http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Kit#Kits /* New Equipment */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: da61275 paste from http://openwetware.org/index.php?title=DIYbio:Suppliers /* Surplus/Auction Equipment */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c81d4c7 Add new section to faq, For now, link to [http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Kit
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: fb07406 add inkjet printer section
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1891687 add animal methods section
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a816a7c link to group thread /* EPSON Printers */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b107f43 Add more linkage and sectionage /* HANDLING ANIMALS FOR EXPERIMENTATION */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c48aa69 add link to DIYbio:Notebook/Safety_Manual_1.0 /* Appendix 3 - Laboratory Basics */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9d6433d add Making Bacteria Media from Potato.  /* Chemicals and Reagents are expensive.  How can I make my own?  What can I substitute? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bd4f2f0 spin column recycling /* What Equipment have other DIYBio members made? Can I buy one from them? Where are the plans? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b186544 Reusing Electroporation Cuvettes  /* How can I reuse, recycle, sterilize, or "refresh" equipment? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cd9e659 expand what is "this" in "working on this"/* Are there any plans for a DIYbio-friendly, open source database system for biology protocols, how-tos and hardware/equipment construction? */
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ca69246 Move  = Appendix 2 - List of Equipment Suppliers = to this page from the Main
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 41a0c2f Move Appendix2 to Equipment page, Move Appendix3 to new "Methods" page, add "Methods" to top template
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 43fb346 Move from http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ  to make smaller section for easier reading
13:53 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e9440e1 clean up netiquette section and archive section
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 21dddca bump to 1.4 after adding new 'Methods" section /* FAQ Revision History */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 948a9e0 add carolina kits, and paste all from http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Kit
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b9bce38 /* Educational Kits - Intermediate (High school / College and above) */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a56c2f1 add dna extraction 'projects'
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0a062df minor cleanup + add Very good images of DNA and phages: http://www.biochem.wisc.edu/faculty/inman/empics/dna-prot.htm
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 76316ee Add textbook section
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 766fb57 Add section ' Microfluidics and Controller Boards' with jpg
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1f70c35 Add project specific link to USB controller /* Controllers */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 654093f /* Project Ideas */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2a5617a add "What are the social, ethical, technological implications of DIY Bio or Genetic Engineering?" and add to " Are we moving to a future where everyone performs a little genetic engineering?"
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5722abe fix minor formating things
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 748362d add more /* What are the social, ethical, technological implications of DIY Bio or home genetic engineering? How might it be best to create more social discussion? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7ecfc26 add another quote /* Are we moving to a future where everyone performs a little genetic engineering?
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 06eec18 Add links /* What are the social, ethical, legal/patent implications of DIY Bio or home genetic engineering? How might it be best to create more social, ethical, legal/patent discussion? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 35cc896 add http://www.hulu.com/watch/67878/the-future-of-food and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 87bd552 Add Post pictures of you home laboratory setup.  http://www.flickr.com/groups/diylabs/  Raymond McCauley
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7aab5ac add section ' Are there Historical Precedents or Prior Cases'
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2cab2e8 fix typo /* Arizona, 2009 */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a2c4f1e improve wording in section  Are we moving to a future where everyone performs
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 80fb0cf Clarified certification vs license (which doesn't exist in most countries)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9fdeb90 /* USING ANIMALS */   Corrected to explain falshoods in previous post.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5d00f99 /* USING ANIMALS */  Added some info on actual US regulations and who it applies to.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 26b973f Add "do not 'bump'" /* What are the Guidelines for Posting to the DIYBio mailing lists and/or Forums? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0e19114 fix typo, improve format /* What are the Guidelines for Posting to the DIYBio mailing lists and/or Forums? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3df4a26 add quote for DIY Chemistry, vs. "quash meth production in America" /* Are there Historical Precedents or Prior Cases which have Demonstrated these Issues? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c886dd8 clarify title in Are we moving to a future where everyone performs a little genetic engineering?
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7b18024 /* What is DIYbio's mission? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5026fd6 add/move videos to top
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f0981d0 fix english
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d7047d4 add top note about FAQ maintainer
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1b48fc8 add note about linkback as copyright
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e906b38 add $25 gel box.  add maintainer preface.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 457b99c Epoch Biolabs Spin columns /* How can I reuse, recycle, sterilize, or "refresh" equipment? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3c695e8 Sibgene Taq.  Telephone brand agar-agar. /* Chemicals and Reagents are expensive.  How can I make my own?  What can I substitute? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d27da8b fix attribution lines
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 674049e Reorder taq section. /* Chemicals and Reagents are expensive.  How can I make my own?  What can I substitute? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 01d24b5 add agar-agar testing idea /* Project Ideas */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: df91eb8 remove header and place in template
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 147007c add top header (why's it missing?)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e2668ef cut top header text which moved to template
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 71645bf (no commit message)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 51ea517 /* Microwave sterilization of plastic tissue culture vessels for reuse */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4042dc2 (no commit message)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 15ff95d improve Jake Stewart additions to make text objective and impersonal (i.e. "you must" -> "one must") and add attribution
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5164b72 add more govt docs regarding animal use from original thread
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1be1c76 add a couple from http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/web/places-to-buy-cheap-lab-equipment-please-add-to-it
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6c17840 emphasis for please expand this list
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9d4b605 Making a spin coater /* Project Ideas */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0af4c22 add spin coater /* Microfluidics and Controller Boards */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 36da657 Add Patenting Synthetic Biology: A Transatlantic Perspective.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cd7645c SF Chronicle article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ac3b961 Rob Carlson on THE ECONOMIST
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 67e957e netiquette section, simplify title to allow easy linking
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b3fe3e3 /* Guidelines for Posting to DIYBio */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ea2729c /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 06499f2 fixing a formatting error
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7e34bac more news links
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b421568 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ebe7357 older news pieces
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a78a28d added one news article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 32c18ab /* Guidelines for Posting */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 139e9f9 Biotech on a Budget (new article)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d8d38ea add Homebrew Growth Media
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0223eec Add dremelfuge
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 60e71b8 /* Homebrew Centrifuges */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: fb5d0b3 add Human Biology Projects
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cf1b84c /* Longevity */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f05bd4d Longevity "Book" Research
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e5a6384 (no commit message)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 492f7c1 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dce8ad8 add homebrew taq
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6739095 Clarify homebrew taq /* Project Ideas */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bbbcb68 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8538e31 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 588b55b /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9c71c26 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bcd53fd /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1c26a0f /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f1e27b5 yet another article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9975613 updated the gourmet magazine entry
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 95307f6 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 97a5177 lots of updates :)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9626269 got a date wrong :(
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 667cec6 2008 nytimes.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 590aa0b 2009-11-20
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ab220c2 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 90ce7e4 fixed some timestamps
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ed4ffbd something from 2010-02-16
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0f09ddd 2010-03-03
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 90e355f NY Times letter to the editor
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c5c3ed9 In The Pipeline
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 165e840 The Economist
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e56a937 minor updates- names of publishers, etc.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: fba8f6d older articles
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a12b676 Backyard Biology issue (2006)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8e72623 BBC
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7e5df47 moar!
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7141344 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cdfd35a yet another article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a5d44d3 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5cdb9e1 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1aa41bb O'Reilly Radar article.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e7e0cbe 2009-05-14
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4efb4f5 2010-06-11
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 20117e4 2010-06-07
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a55cc53 2005-04-28
13:54 < jrayhawk> what's with the /* */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7883e0a 2009-01-20
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4115293 2010-05-25
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3041975 more articles
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 888dec2 ponoko.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b026f49 "Do we need a DIYbio Academy?"
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1d6c39b mobile health contests news bit mentioned diybio
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 38de2fc Institute for the Future announcement
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8f599c9 Citizen scientists: easy ideas for kids and adults to study the environment
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 53bd813 Storm the Royal Society? Citizen Science Tours.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 41c473d tito's biocurious post
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 180b0f5 oops
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1835094 Woodrow Wilson Center stuff
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d75e65a two new articles- one is on synthetic biology, however. Is it relevant for this list?
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 860c712 2009-06-02 freesoftwaremagazine.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ee1b60a 2009-02-16 labtimes.org article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4c989c9 2009-01-06 ginkgobioworks.com blog article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 15ab3fc 2008-05-19 article on DIY synthetic biology
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1af0f81 2009-09-11 wired.co.uk article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6757a6b 2009-01-04 scienceblogs.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6f8ddd8 2010-06-30 Sonia Arrison article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 267abef another biocurious update
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4c0c856 various articles
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b528600 2010-07-06 institute for the future article on biocurious
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 842fba6 2010-07-05 biocurious / boingboing.net article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 500eddc 2010-06-16 biohacking article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0b061be 2010-07-07
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4ad134c 2010-07-07 xconomy article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 796de54 /* Couldn't find this linked from within openwetware, only from syntheticbiology.org */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 433c2e2 Removed dead links to other forums
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2fd38fd 2010-08-02 boston.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ac92435 2010-07-30 review of open science summit thursday session
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4e656fe 2010-07-30
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5756e93 2010-08-03
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 260523d correct link this time
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: db64502 2010-07-15 eri gentry's biotech revolution
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 91d02c1 2010-07-14 DIY Biotechnologists Go Looking for a Bigger Garage
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a895a8a 2010-08-24 euroscientist.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: faace8d more articles
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5087c00 typo correction
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 55a55cf 2008-06-13 article (it's different from the 2010-08-17 article i guess?)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d718c1c 2010-08-24 biotechniques.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: db27618 2010-08-25 boingboing.net hydroponic article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 732ab8b 2010-04-23 Gør-det-selv-biotek er på vej til din garage
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5611927 2010-09-01 article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6992d3d Add "freeze & squeeze."
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 405c906 Safely Staining DNA
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a546819 2010-09-01 otyp.es article from H+ Magazine
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 366dbd8 2010-09-11 future of biotech patents
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1bdc338 Using Jell-O for Hands-On Microfluidics chips
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3344036 2010-09-17 kickstarter.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 559caa0 2010-09-15 bioethics.gov update thingy
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 03b7b6a 2010-09-18 openwear.org interview
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1e63a5d 2010-09-20 biocurious article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4e258a2 2010-09-23 biocurious article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a242711 2010-09-25 andrew ellington post
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 516cdfb 2010-09-27 article on diygenomics, melanie swan, et al.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 35978ce minor typo correction on "bioethics"
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 057fafe 2010-09-27 DIYbio NYC/BioBus Collaboration Wins MAKE Magazine Editors' Choice Award
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 204dd5a 2010-09-28 and 2010-10-01 DIYbio NYC, BioBus, Melanie Swan, DIYgenomics
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 632017d typo fix (DIYbio -> DIYbio NYC)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b3f437a some more articles, dunno where to put the Nature paper (and what about the editorial?)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ae56537 2010-10-08 model organisms bit
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: aca87c7 2010-02-16, 2010-10-12 blogs.kentlaw.edu articles
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c3f11e9 2010-10-12 yet another article about garage biotech in nature magazine
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4528328 actually, that was a makezine.com article
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a943da4 2010-10-04 ellingtonlab.org mentions diybio
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 62c99dd LavaAmp picked up the nature article too.
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c646be0 2009-04-14 diybio-nyc article by JSCMS
13:54 < kanzure> jrayhawk: that's how mediawiki identifies sections on a page that you are editing
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a56de85 2010-02-02 Auf der Suche nach Hacks und Exploits in Molekülen und Gensträngen (Chaosradio Podcast Network)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a44c923 2010-10-15 slashdot
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0a6bb5b 2010-10-15 technomage.org article on diy biohacking and the nature.com editorial
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cd8e859 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 23a201e /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 105dc31 2010-10-19 Bio-Hackers – Not Just a Title for a Bad Science Fiction Movie
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 759c8cf 2010-08-13 Garage-lab bugs: spread of bioscience increases bioterrorism risks (homelandsecuritynewswire.com)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7d9fd4e 2010-10-13 wetmachine.com response to the nature.com articles
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b14cd42 2010-10-23 diybio-bangalore
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e6c43fa 2010-10-30: Open source-biologi baner vej for bioterror fra garagen (ing.dk)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: da1b544 2010-10-11 A Do-It-Yourself Genomic Challenge to Myriad, the FDA and the Future of Genetic Tests
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3e1c750 2010-11-04 Whither “Biohackers?”
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2621555 2010-11-05 DIYbio and the "MAN"
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b08ec83 2010-11-12 steve kurtz interview / p2pfoundation.net
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dd74aeb september 2010 article on DIYgenomics, PGP, etc. in Nature Medicine
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1821afc 2010-11-14 diybio at igem
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9834714 Add  http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/bioethics/100708/default.cfm
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b04a087 2010-11-22 I Brew, Therefore I am (diybio.org)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0129af4 2010-11-26 The Future of Science?
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c430523 2010-11-19 and 2009-06-03 diy stem cells
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2c5e13b 2009-08-26 And the Innovation Continues...Starting with Shake and Bake Meth!
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0a81e96 2010-12-01 DIY plant genetic engineering
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9611020 2010-12-02 and 2010-11-29
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2cbf02d 2010-12-05 Wetware
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1f85601 2010-12-07 Piracy in the age of DIYbio
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3a5a0ef 2010-12-07 Synthetic biology: The innovation and bioterrorism balance
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a6d7068 2008-05-24 Don't Phage Me, Bro
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 70c2b3a 2010-02-12 DNA Discovery in Middle School
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0377d97 2010-12-16 NY Times & Nature News, woot
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 53116e0 2010-12-16 newswire floating around out there.. also 2010-11-25
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 442e99f 2010-12-16 Wired
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c7f49fc 2010-12-17 genspace
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5268ff7 2010-12-16 Melanie's talk on aging research
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d241ea2 2010-12-19 NY Times
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b903a6b 2010-12-17 "not a meth lab" good news
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 26bd2f8 Equipment list
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1237701 typical FabLab inventory list
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 37f3665 oops redundancy
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 73a8890 2010-12-15 The rise of the genome bloggers: Hobbyists add depth to ancestry trawls. (Nature News)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 93ad93f 2010-12-22 another genspace article ("Biotech for the masses")
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 31df8bb 2010-12-21 OpenPCR at the Grenswerk Art Festival (Enschede, the Netherlands)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d9a496d 2010-12-21 Identifying the sea changes and opportunities in "biohacking"
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 99ebe34 2010-12-22 using synthetic biology to redefine your food digestion options
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8673e75 2010-12-22 Technology: A flavour of the future (Nature Outlook)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b4f3068 2010-12-24 Science, Law Enforcement Build Biotech Bridges (sciencemag.org)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6576cb4 msnbc link
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 2fbec22 2010-01-15 Culturing bioluminescent microbes, part 1
13:54 < jrayhawk> Oh, so those are semi-automated
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ce798dd 2010-12-31 cathal's year-in-review for diybio
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: fa29396 2010-12-21 biohacklab @ bio.tmplab.org announcement
13:54 < kanzure> jrayhawk: if you hit "edit" on a mediawiki page section it auto-populates the commit message
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4cee660 2010-12-30 lepht in the news cutting himself up
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e717f5e /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 768a44e 2010-12-23 Citizen Science Genomics as a Model for Crowdsourced Preventive Medicine Research (Journal of Participatory Medicine)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 471fa03 2010-12-31 genomeweb link to jopm.org
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 137ba23 2011-01-01 singapore event & exi-chat gateway post counts i guess
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 273a387 london hackspace announcement-- group announcements are ok right?
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 51c787a added a link to diybio/singapore event announcement
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7bf19bd 2011-01-03 Citizen scientists carving out new roles via the Web
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 7eaa32a 2010-05-19 Citizen-Scientist Joseph Jackson and the New Open Source
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dc290bd 2011-01-01 What is “Practical Microbiology”?
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: aef97c7 2011-01-04 Quantified Self logs on to self-tracking (San Francisco Chronicle)
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8844793 2011-01-07 Suffer the future: a painful stab at ushering in the new (marcuswohlsen.com)
13:54 < jrayhawk> i guess that's cool
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b674621 2011-01-17 more DIY transhumanism
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bcabd0b 2009-11-17 Hobby molecular biology
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 395ffd9 2011-01-07 Glue guns and DIY biohacking
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 54693ed 2011-01-24 Meat Tenderizer & a Salad Spinner: Home Biotech
13:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 816360f 2011-01-17 Poor countries urged to get ready for synthetic biology
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 06d174c 2011-01-29 Taste of Tech: Biohacking the Future
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d42221a 2011-01-28 diybio-related talk from Humanity+ @ Caltech
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a542526 2011-02-01 Faking Organisms: How can we govern the garage biologists who are tinkering with life?
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1eced1f 2011-02-02 DIYBio and biotinkering - Laws and regulations in Germany
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a16f6af 2011-02-05 Should we worry about antimakers?
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f3eea85 2011-02-09 'DIY' Biologists Look to Bring PCR to the Masses with $512 OpenPCR Thermal Cycler genomeweb
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 45ce4bd 2011-02-15 Do-it-yourself biologists (DIYbio) e a ciência cidadã (synbiobrasil.org)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1fe815d 2011-03-04 makezine gfp illuminator
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f8a8732 2011-03-03 "On regulation" (ellington again)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 59b959b 2011-03-05 We are all biologists (raskmedia.com)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cf6f5f1 another one.. what's up with the deceleration?
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ed3943e 2011-04-09: The loaded ethics of DNA hacking (salon.com)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c947ce0 2011-04-11 Putting the DIY in DNA (newscientist.com)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 13557ee 2011-04-11 brian degger's slide deck
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ec6d00e 2011-04-14 A weekend of biohacking at FutureLabCamp (newscientist.com)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4be7dfe various articles today
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dba79a9 2011-04-15 Biopunk: the "great and terrible power" of indie biotech? (Boing Boing)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4912762 A tremendous introduction to one of the most exciting branches of individual superempowerment emerging today.
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1c59fd1 /* Guides from Cathal */ new section
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b06fee9 cleaned up some old talk
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: edf8e23 2011-04-21 Can Hobbyists and Hackers Transform Biotechnology?
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d0fd198 2011-04-21 HN link
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0300b94 handful of new items
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 79260f1 Move news articles to separate page - faster load times and easier edits.
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f3c5f60 Move news articles to separate page - faster load times and easier edits.
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8fb445b /* FAQ Revision History */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 00761c5 Add several projects.
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0f7bc50 add temp range of incubating yeast
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3a76849 Add BBF RFC60 about biobrick license
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 9285871 Add Open Source Ecology /* What is open source hardware? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6883166 Add more project related
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 0edf7b8 Add DIYBio MCR photos /* Are there any videos from regional groups? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 30defdc add link /* Are there any videos from regional groups? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8c61cff Add Bio:Fiction art videos, for what its worth /* Are there any videos from regional groups? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 416f17a Add manga textbooks.  very cool. /* Educational Textbooks */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: db7175c /* Educational Textbooks */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ea42156 Add DIYBIO4Beginners /* Do you recommend any feeds, blogs, wikis, instructables, .. ? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 864951f /* Educational Videos */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 33ab25a Add glowing fungi.  watch out for glowing fungi.
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 68dabf8 /* Personal Medical Monitoring */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a110f04 Add long msg from Cathal and Nathan regarding buying microbio equip /* What equipment do I need to perform DIYBio-related projects? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 641a226 Laser Projection Microscope /* Microscopes, Colorimeters, Spectrophotometers, "Cheaposcopes" */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bb6c77f Food projects
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 40b8a7b /* Edibles and Medicines */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1fd21c7 /* Educational and kit suppliers */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bc84f45 Add gene gun /* DNA */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4df5b3b Add idiot disclaimer /* External Links */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 74e70da fix wording /* IMPORTANT NOTE */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bb8d147 /* IMPORTANT NOTE */
13:55 < nsh> somewhere between cool and meh
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 51286ab Add more beginner textbooks /* Educational Textbooks */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c11f46c Add NCBI free textbooks /* Educational Textbooks */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e8fc405 Add kit links /* Educational Kits - Intermediate (High school / Undergraduate College and above) */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 21e8ab5 /* Project Ideas */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 69293dc /* Project Ideas */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ade39d6 /* Open Source Gel Boxes */
13:55 < kanzure> jrayhawk: presumably it's to prevent assholes from editing and not leaving a commit message
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4f54422 /* Incubator, Shaking Incubator */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 231fb01 /* What equipment do I need to perform DIYBio-related projects? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 10b311d make bold /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e18a51b /* Human Biology Projects */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: de13e06 /* IMPORTANT FAQ */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ccd98e1 /* Project Ideas */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 76b6fe1 /* Project Ideas */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 631ea0f /* Brain Wave Measurement */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a04e8e1 "New Bacteria Lives on Caffeine" /* Diet and Food */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: d8b5c73 Kombucha /* Edibles and Medicines: Yeasts, Kombucha, Tea, Mushrooms, Others */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5713b8d /* Project Ideas */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1907330 /* Fermentors, Bioreactors, Photo Bioreactors */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dea53d1 /* Fermentors, Bioreactors, Photo Bioreactors */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f4b69a9 /* Project Ideas */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 1805695 /* Project Ideas */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 178c49a /* Fermentors, Bioreactors, Photo Bioreactors */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: fa46fbe /* Fermentors, Bioreactors, Photo Bioreactors */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 83bd96b hmm someone moved this into a separate page?
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b7167b2 2011-06-23 forbes blog post
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b7f599e lots of updates
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 8500691 biohacking on the rise (genomeweb.com)
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dccd6f7 hmm it has been a while; genomeweb and foxnews
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5f17b7a technologyreview 2012-02-13
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: bdfaaef dailymail.co.uk crud
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f82ce0c 2012-02-03 DIY science: should you try this at home?
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 64e2bed 2012-01-23 Feeling Biocurious? How To Get Your DIY Bio On
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 63b2bcc 2012-01-23 DIYBIO – Microbial fuel cell 101
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 660dbe8 2012-01-20; 2012-01-17 NY Times article
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a406318 2012-01-12 wsj Biohackers Get Their Own Space to Create
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 47e8eba 2012-02-15 gizmodo/yogurt/prozac
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b5ca84d 2012-02-21 wired.co.uk
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 80cca61 /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: f782d9d /* Has DIYbio been in the news? */
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 6866eef cnet
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 3834e1e rename files and folders to use lowercase
13:55 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 82cb151 Merge openwetware-mediawiki commits.
13:55  * nsh isn't sure about the term "commit" when editing a static document
13:55 < nsh> why not 'edit'
13:56 < nsh> a commit should have run-on effects
13:56 < nmz787> nsh: any word of your choice.... i was thinking of the word 'science'
13:56 < kanzure> oh god i forgot to reformat long commit messages into multiplel ines
13:56 < kanzure> *lines
13:56 < nmz787> nice
13:56 < nsh> nmz787, can i write it by markov?
13:56 < nmz787> nsh: huh
13:57 < nsh> .wik Markov chain
13:57 < hplunny> "A Markov chain, named after Andrey Markov, is a mathematical system that undergoes transitions from one state to another, between a finite or countable number of possible states." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
13:57 < jrayhawk> i do not understand the argument that commits to static documents are not commits
13:57 < nmz787> we're in some kind of commit storm
13:57 < nsh> .wik Mark V Cheney
13:57 < hplunny> "Search for 'Mark V Cheney' in existing articles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_V_Cheney
13:57 < kanzure> nmz787: i am importing the openwetware commits
13:57 < nsh> .wik Mark V Shaney
13:57 < hplunny> "Mark V Shaney is a fake Usenet user whose postings were generated by using Markov chain techniques." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_V_Shaney
13:57 < nmz787> lmao
13:57 < kanzure> and did not have the testicular foresight to disable gnushabot
13:57 < jrayhawk> eh, /ignore exists for a reason
13:57 < jrayhawk> it's not like we're going to hurt the bot's feelings
13:58 < kanzure> frankly i like it
13:58 < kanzure> it makes me feel productive
13:58 < nmz787> nsh: i've looked into markov chains before in 'omics class.... what does that have to do with writing an 'english paper'
13:58 < nmz787> rudeness!
13:58 < nmz787> who
13:58 < nmz787> ?
13:58 < yorick> gnusha: please stop
13:58 < nmz787> (prob kanzure)
13:58 < kanzure> yorick: heh sorry man
13:59 < yorick> kanzure: fillin up mah chat monitor!
13:59 < nsh> nmz787, it's ironic and smart-arsed. the best way to do any assignment
13:59 < yorick> kanzure: you can't kill it?
13:59 < jrayhawk> yorick: gnusha has only that one purpose, so it's safe to ignore
13:59 < kanzure> yorick: i'd rather not
13:59 < nmz787> nsh: bbl, PM me an example if you can
13:59 < kanzure> yorick: /ignore gnusha
13:59 < jrayhawk> well, that and logging
13:59 < jrayhawk> but you won't impact that
14:00 < nmz787> kanzure: how did you send that slash
14:00 < yorick> * IGNORE: Unknown command
14:00 < kanzure> nmz787: / /me ?
14:00 -!- Hasp1 [~Hasp@pool-108-20-187-180.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap []
14:00 < nmz787> kanzure: ignore didnt work for me
14:00 < kanzure> waaaiiit...
14:00 < yorick> added it to my ignore list
14:01 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Boston
14:01 < kanzure> what is this
14:01 < kanzure> DIYbio: namespace?
14:01 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Notebook/Keiki_Gels
14:01 < kanzure> nooooo
14:01 < nmz787> kanzure: an online notebook could be a great feature of H+
14:01 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Notebook
14:01 < jrayhawk> you can move all those in one big commit
14:02 < kanzure> it seems to mostly be tito's crap though
14:02 < kanzure> not sure if i am interested in grabbing those
14:02 < yorick> oh god make it stop
14:02 < kanzure> i thought you ignored it?
14:02 < yorick> no, ignore didn't work
14:03 < kanzure> what irc client are you using?
14:03 < yorick> quassel
14:03 < yorick> also tried the ignore list
14:03 < nmz787> kanzure: it didnt work here either
14:03 < kanzure> nmz787: you are using androiirc?
14:03 < nmz787> kanzure: we can add the notebook stuff manually, lotta junk
14:03 < nmz787> kanzure: pidgin
14:03 < kanzure> yorick: complain here http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/628
14:03 < yorick> also
14:03 < yorick> [23:00:57] <nmz787> kanzure: ignore didnt work for me
14:03 < yashgaroth>  /ignore gnusha!*@* chan ?
14:04 < kanzure> yashgaroth: you don't need the space... type / /ignore to demo it
14:04 < yorick> * IGNORE: Unknown command
14:04 < jrayhawk> Updated by seezer almost 3 years ago "Still there will be a /ignore command in the short future."
14:04 < jrayhawk> ha ha ancient bug reports are adorable
14:04 < kanzure> hehe
14:04 < yorick> ok, it works now
14:04 < yorick> it removed it from my whole backlog too
14:04 < yorick> :)
14:05 < nmz787> right click on the nick, and click ignore???
14:05 < nmz787> it worked for me
14:05 < kanzure> nmz787: i don't know how pidgin's ignore works
14:05 < yorick> went to quassel options and then ignore list
14:05 < kanzure> nmz787: you might want to consider unignoring later so that you can see legit updates
14:05 < yorick> pidgin should have /block or something
14:05 < nmz787> yeah now i have to figure out how to do that
14:06 < kanzure> nmz787: it's probably in the pidgin preferences somewhere
14:06 < jrayhawk> ##hplusroadmap is a valuable educational resource
14:06 < nmz787> lemme know when this script is done
14:06 < kanzure> yeah there was only something like 500 commits
14:06 < nmz787> ok bbl
14:07 < kanzure> oh good utf-8 was preserved
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14:15 < kanzure> nmz787: okay it's done
14:16 < Von> There needs to be an op in here
14:16 < kanzure> i am an op
14:16 < Von> Then kick-ban gnusha
14:16 < Von> O_o
14:16 < kanzure> gnusha is my bot :(
14:16 < Von> Its ultra spamming
14:16 < kanzure> it was just telling you which commits i pushed to the git repository
14:17 < kanzure> which is its intended purpose
14:18 < kanzure> oh noes
14:18 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki/commits/master/diybio/faq.mediawiki
14:18 < kanzure> github doesn't follow history?
14:18 < kanzure> oh well
14:22 < kanzure> jrayhawk: /usr/local/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/ doesn't seem to exist?
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14:55 < kanzure> heroku is migrating all their "shared db" plans to a "10,000 row"-max postgresql thing
14:59 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/news/europe-nears-first-approval-for-gene-therapy-1.11048
14:59 < kanzure> "Back in 2004, China became the first country to approve a gene-therapy product for commercial use, with a treatment for cancer. But Europe and the United States have yet to endorse any gene therapies"
15:01 < yashgaroth> they better not fuck it up
15:02 < kanzure> jrayhawk: aha /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin
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15:09 < kanzure> 13:02 < jrayhawk> you can slap it into /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/ and echo 'push(@{$conf->{add_plugins}}, qw{ mediawiki });' into either (globally) /etc/ikiwiki/piny.setup.pl and run sudo piny-ikiwiki-mass-rebuild or (specifically) into /etc/ikiwiki/wiki.setup.pl and rebuildrepo wiki
15:09 < kanzure> so, i added mediawiki to add_plugins in /etc/ikiwiki/piny/diyhpluswiki.setup but it seems to be overwritten when i rebuildrepo diyhpluswiki
15:09 < kanzure> there is no piny.setup.pl or wiki.setup.pl file
15:12 < kanzure> Failed to load plugin IkiWiki::Plugin::mediawiki: Too many arguments for IkiWiki::Plugin::link::checkconfig at /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/mediawiki.pm line 62, near "@_)"
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15:17 < kanzure> oh geeze http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/
15:17 < kanzure> this does not seem to be working
15:17 < nmz787> greaaatttt
15:20 < kanzure> the problem is that the ikiwiki mediawiki plugin seems to be unmaintained for the past three years
15:20 < kanzure> "scott bronson" sounds like a fake name anyway
15:21 < nmz787> psh
15:21 < nmz787> no way
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15:42 < nsh> .ety glower
15:42 < hplunny> "mid-14c., 'to shine;' c.1500, 'to stare with wide eyes,' perhaps from a Scandinavian source (cf. Norw. dialectal glora 'to glow'), from P.Gmc. base *glo- (see glow), root of O.E. glowan 'to glow,' which influenced the spelling." - http://etymonline.com/?term=glower
15:45 < oblique> http://vimeo.com/46304267
15:49 < jrayhawk> who made http://gnusha.org/skdb/images/gnusha.png ?
15:52 < kanzure> jrayhawk: that was ybit
15:54 < jrayhawk> oh, i guess that makes sense
16:01 < kanzure> jrayhawk: any suggestions before i go rewrite the mediawiki plugin?
16:01 < jrayhawk> you've given up on translating to markdown?
16:02 < kanzure> i don't think i did any translation to markdown
16:02 < jrayhawk> you seemed to want to do that earlier on the basis that it would make things more consistent
16:03 < kanzure> oh right
16:03 < jrayhawk> i am guessing the mediawiki-to-markdown converters are going to be easier to bring up to date than that ancient ikiwiki plugin
16:03 < jrayhawk> especially since it sounded like the mediawiki-to-markdown converter was written in python
16:04 < jrayhawk> insert joke about perl being write-only here
16:04 < kanzure> 3 years is pretty ridiculous
16:04 < kanzure> this means nobody is using that plugin
16:05 < kanzure> and it also means nobody is testing that plugins don't bork on new ikiwiki updates
16:05 < jrayhawk> not contrib ones, no
16:05 < jrayhawk> most of the rest of the plugins are in-tree
16:06 < jrayhawk> i bet pandoc could do this
16:07 < kanzure> hrmm why isn't there a markdown pastebin
16:08 < kanzure> https://gist.github.com/3231461#file_output.md
16:08 < kanzure> so, gist.github.com supports markdown input files
16:08 < kanzure> but it seems to only display the first 10% of the file?
16:09 < kanzure> oh it hates html apparently
16:10 < kanzure> yeah it just looks ugly.
16:11 < jrayhawk> oh, no, it only supports output to mediawiki
16:11 < jrayhawk> bah
16:11 < kanzure> 3231461.git is using media2iki's mediawiki2markdown.py tool
16:12 < kanzure> i have also added the original mediawiki file to test with
16:12 < kanzure> git://gist.github.com/3231461.git
16:13 < kanzure> huh, github renders .mediawiki files.. but terribly
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16:43 < kanzure> https://gist.github.com/3231461#file_markdownify.md
16:43 < kanzure> markdownify is sorta passable
16:50 < kanzure> why did markdownify not translate <b></b>? :(
16:51 < kanzure> or convert the links..
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17:12 < skorket> I've been looking at doing a little DIY microfluidic experiment.  Do you guys have any suggestions on what a good kind of "hello world" experiment that actually involves some real biology would be?
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17:22 < kanzure> skorket: with microfluidics the hello world is getting fluid to flow
17:22 < kanzure> or colors to mix.
17:22 < kanzure> pcr is a good next step.
17:22 < skorket> can you talk a bit about how you would set up pcr on a microfluidic chip?
17:23 < kanzure> you have a bunch of options:
17:23 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/pcr/
17:23 < kanzure> personally i like the laser idea
17:23 < kanzure> but realistically the spiral design plus heaters is easier to implement
17:26 < Hasp> Lot of good stuff on that link
17:27 < kanzure> Hasp: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/d
17:27 < kanzure> oh noes
17:27 < kanzure> i meant http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/
17:28 < Hasp> ...
17:28 < Hasp> damn
17:28 < Hasp> thanks man
17:28 < kanzure> skorket: i suggest starting with http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/training-bootcamp.pdf
17:44 < nsh> .title http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/07/28/anonymous-hacks-irs-database-publishes-romney-tax-returns/
17:44 < hplunny> nsh: Free Wood Post
17:50 < nmz787> nsh: hplunny: so is that real or what?
17:50 < nsh> joke piece, unfortunately
17:50 < nsh> :/
17:50 < nmz787> oh
17:51 < nmz787> damn
17:51 < nsh> i wonder what it'd take to get those returns though
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17:54 < nsh> unrelatedly wonder if there's an audiobook version of applied cryptography
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18:33 < kanzure> nmz787: do you feel like converting mediawiki syntax to markdown for me?
18:36 < nmz787> sure
18:36 < nmz787> do you feel like buying CNC stuff?
18:36 < nmz787> I found a guy that seems to know his stuff well
18:37 < kanzure> tell?
18:37 < nmz787> and has lots of examples
18:37 < nmz787> scroll down about 3/4 of the way and look at the green one http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/109390-my_newest_desktop_machine.html
18:37 < nmz787> "A small tightly built machine like the ones I make may actually do
18:37 < nmz787> a stunningly good job.
18:37 < nmz787> MDF isolates the axis's so there's practically no resonance transference.
18:37 < nmz787> The Oilite bearings I use, I use them full length of the assembly they're
18:37 < nmz787> set into. That means there's a full length oil film the bearing rides on.
18:37 < nmz787> That makes a difference for fine-fine work....no ball bearings to vibrate.
18:37 < nmz787> The McMaster ultra smooth travel threaded rods should make it work
18:37 < nmz787> surprisingly well.
18:37 < nmz787> I'd probably build a small machine like the green one here...
18:37 < nmz787> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/109390-my_newest_desktop_machine.html
18:37 < nmz787> I'd guess it can do as fine as most anything else. Industry can't sell  machines
18:37 < nmz787> made from MDF frames...too 'cheap' looking....but it's an ideal material
18:37 < nmz787> for tiny detailed work. Vibrations just don't move well through it...;)
18:37 < nmz787> I bet it'd work very well.
18:37 < nmz787> :)"
18:38 < kanzure> mdf? :(
18:38 < nmz787> :/
18:38 < nmz787> fenn: we could use an opinion ^
18:38 < kanzure> iirc he has a negative opinion on mdf cnc routers too
18:40 < nmz787> i dunno, we're not torquing it really since it's light
18:41 < nmz787> photons*
18:41 < nmz787> laser*
18:43 < nmz787> kanzure: so what about the transcoding
18:44 < kanzure> you've lost me. do you mean between a chip and stepper controller?
18:45 < kanzure> oh you mean w.r.t that post. i see. i'll look in a second.
18:46 < nmz787> mediawiki -> markdown conversion
18:46 < nmz787> I thought you already had that plugin
18:46 < nmz787> mediawiki2ikiwiki?
18:47 < kanzure> mediawiki2ikiwiki.py is just a script that converts
18:47 < kanzure> but its output sucks
18:47 < kanzure> https://gist.github.com/3231461#file_output.md
18:47 < kanzure> the mediawiki.pm perl module is the ikiwiki plugin, except it hardly works either:
18:47 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq
18:51 < nmz787> no index is the problem?
18:52 < kanzure> faq is faq.mediawiki
18:52 < kanzure> then there's a folder faq/
18:52 < kanzure> so http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq is displaying faq.mediawiki being run through the mediawiki plugin
18:53 < nmz787> so the gist  page is what it is on the server ?
18:53 < kanzure> the gist page has multiple files
18:53 < kanzure> git clone git://gist.github.com/3231461.git
18:53 < kanzure> i am doing a hand-written version here: https://gist.github.com/3231461#file_custom.md
18:53 < kanzure> (but i am only partly done)
18:57 < nmz787> what is the gist server, and why is it there /and/ on gnusha?
18:58 < kanzure> github has a pastebin server called gist
18:59 < kanzure> i wanted to test what the markdown looks like without cluttering up diyhpluswiki.git
18:59 < kanzure> i could have used a branch i guess
18:59 < kanzure> gist.github.com is just for temporary things
18:59 < kanzure> or, rather, that's how i treat it (some people use it for long-term stuff, but w/e)
19:00 < nmz787> ahh ok
19:00 < nmz787> yeah just read some blog about it
19:00 < nmz787> explaining that
19:02 < kanzure> pastebins are wonderful things
19:06 < jrayhawk> 'newrepo testwiki' is also an option
19:12 < AlonzoTG> om
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19:24 < kanzure> qt on android http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/28/necessitas/
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19:45 < skorket> have you guys made a microfluidic pcr chip?
19:46 < kanzure> nope, but jojack made a prototype of some "microfluidic" device that turned out into some giant usb stick
19:46 < nsh> eh?
19:47 < skorket> you and nmz787 are developing a microfluidic system, though, no?
19:47 < kanzure> nsh: he did that with rob carlson, it's a long and annoying story
19:48 < nsh> i'll pass then
19:48 < kanzure> skorket: sort of, haha. currently we're trying to figure out where nmz787 is moving to, or whether or not fenn is alive.
19:48  * nsh hopes fenn is alive
19:48 < kanzure> skorket: it's hard to build things when i have to buy multiple labs or something
19:49 < skorket> no, I know, doing stuff without an industrial lab or without millions of dollars is a real bitch
19:49 < nsh> just use other people's
19:49 < skorket> I'm not being judgemental, I'm just asking
19:49 < nsh> there's no shortage of labs
19:49 < nsh> and in my experience they're not running particularly close to capacity
19:49 < kanzure> nsh: so, i have to buy equipment for 3 separate hackerspaces? come on
19:50 < skorket> but the idea was that you would be making microfluidic pcr chips, amongst other things?
19:50 < nsh> i don't see why you have to buy anything; just use things
19:50 < kanzure> nsh: most hackerspaces don't have a micron-resolution laser cutter, or photolithography setups
19:50 < kanzure> so you usually have to buy these chemicals
19:50 < kanzure> nsh: unless you know something i don't.
19:51 < nsh> very doubtful :)
19:51 < kanzure> skorket: the idea was to build a micron-resolution laser cutter.. http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher
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19:51 < kanzure> nsh: don't be facetious, i was honestly wondering if you know something i'm forgetting
19:51 < nsh> i just don't see, strictly, why you can't go into somebody's very flush research facility and work there
19:51 < kanzure> because they charge you
19:51 < nsh> explaining that "i'm doing science"
19:51 < nsh> and ignore protestations
19:51 < kanzure> or want you to sign over your IP
19:51 < kanzure> (what IP?)
19:52 < kanzure> the stanford microfluidics foundry charges about $300-$400/mask
19:52 < kanzure> but i'm not convinced that masked lithography is the best route
19:52 < nsh> yeah, maybe best not to ask the people wearing ties
19:52 < kanzure> especially with multiple revisions
19:52 < nsh> the ones with the keycards are more reasonable
19:52 < kanzure> nsh: well, if you know someone, let me know.. don't beat around the bush
19:52 < nsh> no i really don't, i'm being philosophical. don't waste your time :)
19:53 < nmz787> kanzure: a plane ticket from here to austin is $318
19:53 < nmz787> do you have sleeping bag floorspace? i could come hang out there and build this damn thing
19:54 < kanzure> i have an extra room
19:54 < kanzure> with a bed and bathroom
19:54 < kanzure> please occupy it
19:55 < nmz787> hrmm
19:56 < nmz787> i could come down for 2 weeks probably for a work-a-thon
19:57 < kanzure> my house isn't very exciting. it's good for sleeping.
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20:03 < nmz787> do you have desks?
20:03 < nmz787> or milk crates at least, or cardboard boxes?
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20:06 < kanzure> nmz787: i have an unlimited supply of cardboard boxes and cardboard forts
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20:09 < nsh> cardboard forts you say?
20:09  * nsh looks at flights
20:10 < nmz787> where are you nsh?
20:11 < nsh> england
20:11 < nmz787> :O
20:11 < nsh> it's a long and not particularly subsidised haul
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20:23 < nsh> why are you guys all wearing the same shirt?
20:24 < yashgaroth> the jig is up
20:24 < nsh> the game's a bogey
20:24 < nsh> as they say in glasgow
20:25 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: e8b6881 move faq.mediawiki -> faq.mdwn
20:25 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a8d71b7 remove the pathetic attempt at automatically converting the faq to markdown
20:25 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: a580c67 markdown version of diybio/faq
20:25 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/
20:25 < kanzure> i have come to the conclusion that the reason why the mediawiki-to-markdown conversion looks like ass is because the original document was poorly formatted to begin with
20:25 < kanzure> and not only that, but the actual "questions" in this FAQ are totally bogus
20:25 < kanzure> nobody asks this shit
20:26 < nmz787> like what?
20:27 < nsh> please tell me you're doing all this for some more general purpose than having a revision history of a poorly composed and infrequently read FAQ?
20:27 < kanzure> "Are there historical precedents or prior cases which have demonstrated similar issues?"
20:27 < nsh> otherwise it's been a lot of work
20:27 < kanzure> nobody asks that question
20:27 < kanzure> they just ask "PCR??????"
20:27 < kanzure> nsh: well, there really reaaally should be a good FAQ
20:27 < kanzure> i started this one in 2009 and it grew into this
20:27 < nsh> maybe scrap that one and write a new one
20:27 < nsh> and forget about markdown and mediawiki
20:28 < kanzure> the sad thing is that only 12 different people edited this
20:28 < kanzure> and i think i might have been 3 of those
20:28  * nsh chuckles
20:29 < kanzure> and of the people that did edit, they mostly added links to their own stuff
20:29 < kanzure> which is sorta okay
20:29 < kanzure> but they weren't substantial fixes or updates
20:30 < nsh> why don't you do a web seminar on the subject. start and end with Q&A then rebase the FAQ on the dialogue you get
20:30 < nmz787> kanzure: why aren't you committing the changes to gnusha?
20:30 < nsh> or even better, find some actual meaty schoolchildren and talk to them
20:30 < kanzure> nmz787: i just did
20:30 < kanzure> nsh: because webinars are stupid
20:30 < kanzure> nsh: there are tons of questions on the diybio list
20:30 < kanzure> i think that's a sufficient base to work with
20:30 < kanzure> except nobody is willing to type up that content into a faq
20:30 < nsh> ah, right
20:30 < nmz787> we need an index i think
20:31 < nsh> kanzure, if you curate the emails and send them to me, i might be convinced to write it up
20:31 < nmz787> that's somewhat automagic in mediawiki, it should prob be a feature in iki
20:31 < nsh> not so keen on trawling through archives though
20:31 < kanzure> nsh: if i curate them i've already done the work
20:31 < nmz787> er table of contents
20:32 < nsh> kanzure, possibly
20:32 < nmz787> kanzure: http://ikiwiki.info/plugins/toc/
20:32 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 71be4ab add a table of contents to diybio/faq
20:32 < nmz787> damn you're quick
20:32 < nmz787> i by the time i clicked edit
20:32 < nmz787> it was there
20:32 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 5766e90 increase the number of levels in the toc in diybio/faq
20:33 < kanzure> clicking is for losers
20:33 < kanzure> "## Webcasts on social implications"
20:33 < kanzure> so why doesn't that show up as a second-level header?
20:33 < kanzure> e.g. a subsection
20:33 < nmz787> kanzure: will it crash if i'm editing in the 'edit' tab of ikiwiki? and you're doin commits during that time?
20:33 < kanzure> no it wont crash
20:34 < kanzure> git is very good at merging
20:34 < kanzure> jrayhawk: actually, what happens on the web-side?
20:34 < kanzure> i know how it works when there's a merge conflict from the command line side
20:35 < kanzure> but haven't experienced that from the web-end
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20:37 < kanzure> so according to the markdown spec, "#" and "##" should be two separate levels. why isn't the toc rendering that as a subsection?
20:38 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 18c1294 
20:38 < nmz787> i just clicked save after a while of being in web edit
20:38 < nmz787> did it merge or overwrite?
20:39 < nmz787> kanzure: i removed the ----------------------------------- and the levels work
20:39 < kanzure> oh hrm
20:39 < nmz787> it was on line 2
20:39 < kanzure> no there's no merge because i wasn't editing
20:39 < nmz787> but it debolded the header
20:39 < nmz787> ok
20:39 < nmz787> but i may have started with an older version
20:40 < nmz787> (11:38:36 PM) gnusha: diyhpluswiki.git: 18c1294
20:40 < kanzure> if you want to see the commit yourself you can pull it into your local git repository
20:40 < kanzure> and type "git show 18c1294"
20:40 < nmz787> or http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/recentchanges/
20:40 < kanzure> kanzure@pikachu:~/code/diyhpluswiki/diybio$ git show 18c129483456f7390eea6dd5721efbdb18a9a196 | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com/
20:40 < kanzure> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1124612/
20:41 < kanzure> yes
20:41 < kanzure> well, that's weird.
20:42 < kanzure> oh i see. well the header was stupid anyway. it would probably work if the header was there, but the toc was above it. but there's already a header provided by default by the page template.
20:42 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 98b520b 
20:44 < nmz787> kanzure: i think this should work but it doesn't http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/laser_etcher
20:44 < nmz787> i fixed the header
20:44 < kanzure> nmz787: i think you mean http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/
20:45 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher is a separate repo so it has a separate wiki
20:45 < nmz787> oO
20:45 < kanzure> fenn moved it into a separate repo
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20:46 < kanzure> nmz787: you might have better luck editing the wiki if you git clone it
20:46 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 318ac92 
20:46 < nmz787> but no CSS :(
20:46 < kanzure> git clone nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git
20:47 < kanzure> nmz787: copy local.css from diyhpluswiki.git and put it into laser_etcher.git
20:47 < nmz787> i like the web interfaces!
20:47 < kanzure> i'll add local.css.. one moment
20:48 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: dd38604 stylesheet for ikiwiki
20:48 < nmz787> whoo hoo
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20:48 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 457db12 added index page
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20:49 < nmz787> so if i append .md to this http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher will it wikify?
20:49 < kanzure> err, possibly... try it
20:49 < kanzure> ikiwiki might be looking for .mdwn specifically, but .md sounds reasonable to me
20:50 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 7c16b7d remove a tab from microfluidics.txt
20:51 < nmz787> how do i commit the push?
20:51 < kanzure> wutnow?
20:51 < nmz787> then*
20:51 < kanzure> so, you should do something like this:
20:51 < kanzure> git mv laser_etcher laser_etcher.md
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20:51 < nmz787> i mv the file
20:51 < nmz787> o
20:51 < kanzure> oh, then git add -u .
20:51 < kanzure> with the period
20:51 < kanzure> then git commit
20:52 < kanzure> then git push
20:54 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 82846c0 appended .md to laser_etcher
20:54 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: c2c787e Merge branch 'master' of diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher
20:55 < nmz787> wait now its out of revision
20:55 < kanzure> what do you mean by that?
20:55 < kanzure> oh, yep
20:55 < kanzure> you deleted the file
20:55 < kanzure> so, here is what i recommend: git revert
20:56 < kanzure> then when you are reverted back to before the mistake, do "git mv laser_etcher laser_etcher.md" then commit then push that
20:56 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 4bd17c3 blah
20:56 < kanzure> hrmm
20:57 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 4b10a5c blah
20:57 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: ed3378b blah
20:57 < kanzure> haha
20:58 < kanzure> well, that's one way to do it
20:58 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i pushed a branch to laser_etcher.git and got this message: remote: fatal: Invalid revision range 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..81978405646550c013918e0235dcd1f33b8ae21b
20:58 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 1667eae blah
20:59 < kanzure> nmz787: so, that's an ok solution for now. here is how i would have fixed it: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/laser_etcher/log/?h=nmzfix
20:59 < nmz787> hmm?
20:59 < kanzure> *shrug* it doesn't matter
21:00 < nmz787> did you fix it or did i?
21:00 < kanzure> you fixed it
21:00 < kanzure> what i linked you to is just a branch in the repository
21:00 < kanzure> showing you an alternative
21:01 < nmz787> alternative?
21:01 < kanzure> well when you deleted the file, my first method to fix the situation would be to go back in time and just act like the mistake never occurred
21:01 < kanzure> but your alternative was to just paste the file back into the repository, which is certainly one way to do it
21:02 < nmz787> so how did you add nmzfix to a bunch of operations?
21:02 < kanzure> haha
21:02 < kanzure> i did this:
21:02 < kanzure> git log | less <-- i looked here to find the latest commit that i wanted
21:02 < kanzure> git checkout -b nmzfix 7c16b7d96d2ac2031f918d500a3e210ae9082f0f <--- 7c16b7 is what i wanted
21:03 < kanzure> git mv laser_etcher laser_etcher.mdwn
21:03 < kanzure> git commit -m"move laser_etcher -> laser_etcher.mdwn"
21:03 < kanzure> git push bryan@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher.git nmzfix
21:03 < nmz787> :/
21:03 < kanzure> then i did "git checkout master; git pull origin master" to get your other changes that i missed while doing that
21:04 < nmz787> were you not already in master?
21:04 < nmz787> so are there two branches now?
21:05 < kanzure> "git checkout -b nmzfix 7c16b7" created a new branch called nmzfix at 7c16b7 and switched me from master to nmzfix
21:05 < kanzure> "git checkout master" was ultimately how i got back
21:05 < kanzure> yeah there's two branches, but you're 100% welcome to ignore nmzfix, since i'ts completely inconsequential at this point
21:06 < nmz787> why did you do that?
21:07 < kanzure> to show off an alternative to you
21:07 < nmz787> ahh ok
21:07 < kanzure> 21:00 < kanzure> you fixed it
21:07 < kanzure> 21:00 < kanzure> what i linked you to is just a branch in the repository
21:07 < kanzure> 21:00 < kanzure> showing you an alternative
21:08 < kanzure> (git can maintain multiple simultaneous branches and versions of files, but ikiwiki will always show just master unless we explicitly configure it to do otherwise)
21:14 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: cc8ad7f added a toc and table for parts
21:17 < nmz787> can i just paste in raw html?
21:17 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: cf50d31 testing raw html
21:19 < kanzure> yes you can add raw html in most cases
21:19 < kanzure> also .html files are acceptable
21:20 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 0928491 chaged google iframe width
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21:27 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: c1e8124 link to laser_etcher wiki on the index page
21:31 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: a9527b4 htmlify links in laser_etcher.mdwn
21:31 < kanzure> hm that's stupid.. underscores in html links convert the text to italics?
21:35 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 6873486 second attempt at linkifying links
21:36 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 0c144a2 fix some quotation marks in link urls
21:36 < kanzure> geeze, even with markdown links the underscores are italicized
21:36 < kanzure> like here: http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/
21:36 < kanzure> "http://fennetic.net/irc/laserablationprofile_power.pdf" is definitely the wrong url
21:36 < nmz787> it works
21:37 < kanzure> yeah but if you look at the display name it is missing a few '_' characters
21:37 < kanzure> i guess this is so that you can use markup in linking text
21:38 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: f2ca365 escape underscores in link display text
21:38 < nmz787> to send my ssh key to gnush how can i append it to known_hosts ?
21:39 < kanzure> you can just insert your public key into ~/.ssh/known_hosts
21:40 < kanzure> there's also ssh-copy-id user@host which you run from your local machine to install your public key into a remote authorized_keys file
21:42 < nmz787> yeah the latter is what i wanted
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21:46 < rdx> hi all
21:46 < rdx> i am new here
21:46 < rdx> looking for hacker
21:47 < rdx> got work
21:47 < rdx> pays good
21:47 < nsh> what need done?
21:47 < nsh> many danger?!
21:47 < ParahSailin> am hacker, need work, need pay good
21:48 < Adrian_G> rdx eh
21:48 < yashgaroth> we talking mad haxxor, or just regular?
21:48 < kanzure> we only specialize in bio haxxoring
21:48 < jrayhawk> kanzure: huh; can you give me steps to reproduce that laser_etcher.git problem?
21:48 < kanzure> jrayhawk: [http://somesite.com/blah_blah_blah.pdf](http://somesite.com/blah_blah_blah.pdf)
21:49 < kanzure> jrayhawk: or blah blah blah <a href="http://somesite.com/blah_blah_blah.pdf">http://somesite.com/blah_blah_blah.pdf</a>
21:49 < kanzure> in the case of markdown i think it makes sense that _ is interpreted as markdwon inside []
21:49 < kanzure> but not so much on the raw html element?
21:49 < kanzure> *markdown
21:51 < jrayhawk> first off, you want <http://somesite.com/blah_blah_blah.pdf>
21:51 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 6fd82d4 add a picture of the laser etcher
21:51 < kanzure> whaat
21:52 < jrayhawk> that's part of markdown
21:52 < kanzure> <link> is not valid html
21:52 < kanzure> markdown links are always [crap](uri)
21:53 < kanzure> "(700micron0.25254cm/s)" is also poorly formatted. so basically i have to remember to escape everything. hrm.
21:54 < jrayhawk> I can't find anything cleaner than preformatting with backticks or indentation or backslash escaping
21:55 < jrayhawk> for doing the wrong, bad thing that you insist upon
21:55 < kanzure> okay.
21:55 < kanzure> what's so bad about html, again?
21:57 < jrayhawk> in HTML land you'd be using %5F
21:57 < jrayhawk> oh no wait, i guess you don't need to encode that
21:59 < nmz787> rdx: what do you have cooking?
21:59 < kanzure> sometimes people look at /list on an irc server and just randomly join channels looking for "hackers"
21:59 < kanzure> so i assume rdx is spam
22:00 < kanzure> erm.. i mean they go looking for "hackers" to do misdeeds out of frustration or anger
22:00 < ParahSailin> rdx tried to sell me viagra
22:00 < ParahSailin> or alt-711
22:00 < kanzure> did you buy?
22:00 < ParahSailin> i have no bitcoin to pay him :(
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22:09 < nsh> Coldfusion Version: 7
22:09 < nsh> Copyright (c) 1995-2006 Adobe Macromedia Software LLC. All rights reserved
22:10 < nsh> no, sleep is definitely preferable to hacking the malaysian police portal for a semi literate stranger on irc with a dubious business model
22:10 < kanzure> oh coldfusion </3 how i loathe the
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22:17 < joshcryer> About time: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game
22:18 < nmz787> kanzure: so this guy says he'll figure out how long it'll take him to gather/assemble the micro MDF CNC and let me know the price
22:18 < ParahSailin> can't believe so many people gave a stranger so much cash for no equity
22:19 < nmz787> a friend of mine is getting something larger from him and he is paying something like $777
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22:35 < bkero> I preordered an Oculus Rift before it was on kickstarter
22:35 < bkero> and got the $800 one (the ST1080)
22:39 < joshcryer> Is it good?
22:43 < bkero> I haven't received it yet.
22:43 < bkero> I'm building a wearable computer.
22:44 < bkero> ETA is late August.
22:45 < joshcryer> Ahh.
22:50 < bkero> and a Hardkernel ODROID-X
22:50 < bkero> and a 6-cell 18650 holder with buckboost to bring it up to 5V
22:50 < bkero> and a couple different keyboard types.  I managed to finagle a Frogpad 2, am getting a Twiddler 2.0, and have my bluetooth Model M.
22:51 < kanzure> i should figure out a better thing than the model m
22:51 < kanzure> it seems that nobody has been trying to make a faster keyboard
22:51 < kanzure> stenography don't count
22:52 < bkero> It's apparently not a very interesting problem to solve
22:52 < bkero> and people have boners now about touchscreens
22:52 < bkero> so chorded keyboard on touchscreen is the new shit
22:53 < kanzure> ugh
22:55 < ParahSailin> i dont think touchscreen could be very fast
22:56 < ParahSailin> maybe an input glove
22:56 < ParahSailin> or a camera with motion tracking
22:56 < jrayhawk> there are touchscreens with tactile feedback
22:58 < nmz787> so what's the best mobile/chorded keyboard then?
22:58 < nmz787> or glove
23:01 < joshcryer> Fucking touchscreens.
23:04 < fenn> perky
23:05 < joshcryer> kanzure, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109191
23:14 < nmz787> I like this one pretty well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126195
23:15 < nmz787> but the split microsoft keyboards might be a little nicer
23:16 < nmz787> i've heard these are some of the best for ergonomics http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/
23:17 < nmz787> it's not qwerty or dvorak tho
23:17 < nmz787> its 'ergo' or something
23:17 < nmz787> sry this http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm
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23:31 < kanzure> fenn: hi
23:31 < kanzure> is perky the name of a device or just a meepism
23:35 < kanzure> ergonomics doesn't necessarily mean improved typing rate
23:37 < fenn> perky: http://homepage2.nifty.com/perky/index.htm
23:37 < fenn> chording keyboards are useless unless used for stenography
23:39 < fenn> "I know that you believe you understand what you think I said but, I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - sig file
23:39 < kanzure> the problem with stenography is that you can't just type what you mean.
23:39 < fenn> oh, the problem is greater than just with stenography
23:39 < kanzure> snnngrblt
23:39 < Adrian_G> are there any ways to type with your thoughts
23:39 < kanzure> Adrian_G: go away
23:39 < kanzure> (i can't even read my own mind much less anyone else's)
23:40 < fenn> i came up with a merge algorithm for semantic networks once..
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23:42 < fenn> the sidewinder is a pretty good keyboard. an extra perk is it can be used for software based stenography with plover
23:42 < fenn> basically you pretend your qwerty keyboard is a steno keyboard
23:42 < kanzure> i don't think the next great keyboard will coem from "alternative layouts"
23:43 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: da90304 changes = to # for sectioning
23:43 < kanzure> (i know plover isn't an alternative layout)
23:43 < kanzure> *come
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23:43 < fenn> it seems to me most of your output is text, so focusing on speeding up text output is a reasonable goal
23:44 < fenn> (which steno does)
23:44 < kanzure> steno makes lots of ambiguous junk that i have to go back and fix :(
23:44 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b0be89c changed equipment.mediwiki to equipment.mdwn
23:44 < kanzure> maybe i should practice plover regularly before i complain
23:44 < fenn> most people take 2-3 years to learn
23:44 < kanzure> yawn
23:45 < fenn> traditional steno seems frightfully disorganized
23:45 < fenn> oh yeah sure just make up new spellings for anything you want, yep
23:46 < fenn> as far as i can tell there's not even any "one steno to rule them all"
23:46 < nmz787> kanzure: how does this line work [[!map pages="diybio/* and ! diybio/*/*"]]
23:46 < kanzure> ! diybio/*/* means "not"
23:46 < nmz787> i want to add it to the faq so we can see equipment... or do we need to make a subdir?
23:47 < nmz787> got it
23:47 < kanzure> i think the way to do it is to move faq.mdwn into faq/index.mdwn
23:47 < kanzure> git mv faq.mdwn faq/index.mdwn
23:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 4b6778c added sub-page map
23:47 < fenn> huh, look at that, content in the wiki
23:47 < kanzure> fenn: with commit history from openwetware and hplusroadmap
23:48 < fenn> how big is it?
23:49 < kanzure> 400 commits
23:49 < nmz787> and howto do replace-all from cmdline using this regex '^= +' to '# '
23:49 < fenn> i guess i could just look.. (16MB)
23:49 < kanzure> sed -i 's/^= /\# /g' blah.mdwn
23:49 < nmz787> explain the -i, s, and g
23:49 < kanzure> "the StenoKnight CART Demo and Steno Versus Qwerty -- were made with Eclipse, my proprietary steno software"
23:49 < fenn> rtfm
23:50 < nmz787> geez
23:50 < nmz787> :/
23:50 < kanzure> what's this proprietary software that the plover guy is pushing?
23:50 < fenn> it's not her software
23:50 < kanzure> nmz787: -i is edit in place (this is sort of dangerous in sed; but never try "not" editing in place while simultaneously redirecting the output to the input file, this breaks things)
23:50 < fenn> it's just the software she uses for work stuff, because plover doesn't work right yet
23:50 < kanzure> and the rest is a regular expression
23:50 < kanzure> "But I'd love to see new Plover users racing on TypeRacer with their n-key rollover keyboards"
23:51 < kanzure> challenge accepted
23:52 < kanzure> "my brief for "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" (which, along with "antidisestablishmentarianism", is the first word people tend to say when they notice they're being transcribed in realtime), "
23:54 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: ee35611 changed = to # in educational, changed extension to mdwn
23:54 < kanzure> http://stenoknight.com/plover/ploverdemo/ploverdemo.html
23:54 < kanzure> javascript i guess
23:56 < nmz787> kanzure: so i changed text, then tried git commit -m 'msg'
23:56 < nmz787> # On branch master
23:56 < nmz787> # Changes not staged for commit:
23:56 < nmz787> #   (use "git add <file>..." to update what will be committed)
23:56 < nmz787> #   (use "git checkout -- <file>..." to discard changes in working directory)
23:56 < nmz787> #
23:56 < nmz787> #	modified:   educational.mdwn
23:56 < nmz787> #
23:56 < nmz787> no changes added to commit (use "git add" and/or "git commit -a")
23:57 < nmz787> i tried pull and it's all up to date
23:57 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: b1ea945 changed = to # in educational, added toc
23:57 < nmz787> why did i have to add the file?
23:57 < nmz787> it seemed to already exist
23:57 < kanzure> you have to type "git add educational.mdwn"
23:58 < nmz787> why?
23:58 < kanzure> "git add" is about choosing which changes you want to put into the upcoming commit
23:58 < nmz787> i already did git mv educational.mediwiki educaitonal.mdwn
23:58 < nmz787> and pushed it
23:59 < kanzure> git will only store a change if you tell it to
23:59 < nmz787> why wouldn't anything modified be committed?
23:59 < nmz787> oh
23:59 < kanzure> because you didn't tell it to :P
23:59 < nmz787> weird
23:59 < kanzure> git add -u . <-- this will update everything in the directory
23:59 < kanzure> but usually i hand-pick the files i want to have in a commit, especially in software projects
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