--- Log opened Thu Aug 09 00:00:33 2012 00:00 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 00:06 < nmz787> this rood book is OK 00:09 < kanzure> where is it? 00:09 < kanzure> i didn't see a link to the full text 00:09 < kanzure> also: nokia just sold qt 00:15 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 00:17 < nmz787> on the right side of your link 00:17 < nmz787> a drop down of like 20 diff file formats 00:18 < kanzure> ah looked like spam so i ignored that 00:34 < brownies> they sold Qt? 00:34 < kanzure> i am too tired to verify 00:57 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59 -!- tashou [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:00 < tashou> sorry, I forget how go connect to this forum ,(I use the "history" function of mIRC) 01:12 < nmz787> hi tashou 01:38 < nmz787> "Anyway, the end result of my dreadlock design is that the hotter my head gets, the straighter the Nitinol gets. 01:38 < nmz787> The straighter the wires get, the less my dreads cover my head and the more heat escapes." He smiled widely, 01:38 < nmz787> "It lets me overclock my brain." 01:38 < nmz787> hah 01:49 -!- sharenothing [~user@ool-ae2ceba4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:00 -!- AdrienG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01 -!- AdrienG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:08 < foucist> pfft, trepanning is better for overclocking 02:13 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:16 < tashou> hi 02:25 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:25 -!- tashou [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:38 < nmz787> kanzure: SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xef' in file /home/nathan/nano/nanoengineer/cad/src/foundation/preferences.py on line 3, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details 02:38 < nmz787> kanzure: can i do a find/replace to fix this? 04:27 -!- yorick [~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:50 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:56 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:23 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:21 < ParahSailin> sed -e 's/\xef//' -i filename 06:49 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:50 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:53 < nmz787> lemm tyr 06:53 < nmz787> try 06:55 < nmz787> ParahSailin: thanks 06:55 < ParahSailin> how did that character get there? 06:56 < ParahSailin> utf something i guess 06:56 < ParahSailin> maybe just read file as utf-8? 06:57 < nmz787> i used some Numeric 2 numpy converter script 06:57 < nmz787> it must've done it 06:58 < ParahSailin> ah 06:59 < nmz787> so i dont see in the sed man page what s/ might do 07:02 < ParahSailin> substitute 07:04 < nmz787> oh der 07:25 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:28 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:39 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:52 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 < nmz787> bkero: jrayhawk: if i move to PDX area, do you know anyone with a few acres of rural land with a house for rent? in commuting distance (20-30 miles max) to hillsboro 08:01 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 < delinquentme> serious question: I've put off learning mildly complex SQL shit for a while 08:01 < delinquentme> wheres a good place to sandbox around with SQL joins 08:01 < kanzure> nmz787: to fix that you can put # encoding: utf-8 at the top of the file 08:02 < delinquentme> sqlfiddle.com is what im futzing w right now 08:16 < nmz787> delinquentme: just install postgresql 08:16 < delinquentme> nmz787, haha 08:16 < delinquentme> this is not a quick fix :D 08:16 < delinquentme> but yea I've got prostgres installed 08:17 < nmz787> soo, why can't you play with complex joins there? 08:21 < delinquentme> well its just for a questionairre 08:21 < delinquentme> Its not a DB id keep and have it persist 08:22 < delinquentme> does postgresql have a limit on the number of entries it wil return by defult 08:23 < kanzure> you can also use heroku's free postgresql offering (for up to 10k rows) (or more for $5/mo) 08:24 < delinquentme> lol 08:24 < delinquentme> i really just need to practice joins 08:26 < kanzure> if you want to practice joins then i highly recommend using sqlite 08:27 < kanzure> DIYbio'ers are probably more theoretical-oriented than not. I doubt there would be anyone here who could get as far as slicing a chunk out of their finger to stick a rare earth magnet in and not have already thought "maybe I shouldn't be using magnetic tweezers for this task"." 08:27 < kanzure> ha 08:31 < delinquentme> http://sqlfiddle.com/#!5/ecd3f/1 08:31 < delinquentme> =] 08:33 -!- nsh [~Smedley@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:54 < nmz787> kanzure: so i'm running into this basically http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11505523/glerror-within-glendlist-within-classic-greas-py-example 08:55 < nmz787> glxgears runs on my VM 08:55 < nmz787> but i'm getting that 1280 error for nanoengi 08:55 < kanzure> well, you can downgrade your mesa version 08:56 < kanzure> or upgrade nanoengineer to use a more recent version of opengl 08:56 < nmz787> the only attempt at a real answer on that is "From what I can tell, this is a problem with your OpenGL implementation. I tried it on a few of my Linux installs (Debian, Ubuntu) and the code runs great. – ananthonline " 08:56 < nmz787> rather attempt at a real answer 08:56 < kanzure> jrayhawk might have a better hint for achieving opengl satiety 08:56 < nmz787> its this file https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/graphics/drawing/drawcompass.py 08:56 < nmz787> so i'm all up to datre 08:57 < kanzure> well it might be every glbeginlist/glendlist and drawcompass.py just happens to be the first one 08:57 < nmz787> and the function call glendlist looks like its being used properly 08:57 < nmz787> right but I cant even get this to pass 08:57 < kanzure> i'm p. sure glbegin/glend is deprecated 08:57 < nmz787> I tried adding None inside the glEndList parens 08:57 < kanzure> or is that only in GLES? 08:57 < nmz787> http://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man/xhtml/glNewList.xml 08:58 < nmz787> ? 08:58 < nmz787> GL_INVALID_ENUM is generated if mode is not an accepted value. 08:58 < nmz787> dunno if that correlates with the python invalid enumeration 1280 08:59 < nmz787> def _draw_compass_geometry():    """ Do GL state changes and draw constant geometry for compass. Doesn't depend on any outside state, so can be compiled into an unchanging display list. """ 09:00 < nmz787> hmm 09:00 < kanzure> btw jblake might be able to spot the bug here, he seems to have an unusual knowledge of opengl APIs 09:07 < nmz787> hmm, so kanzure can you run http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mcfletch/pyopengl-demo/trunk/download/head:/gears.py-20080923005140-67c17kywpwxa2usj-21/gears.py 09:08 < nmz787> it dies on me with a seg fault 09:09 < kanzure> prolly because you don't have that version of pyopengl 09:10 < nmz787> hmm, let's see what updating the system does 09:10 < nmz787> i wonder if this is some stupid virtualbox crap not working (I have 3D accel turned on in the settings, and glxgears worked :/) 09:25 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 < kanzure> i don't know what "3D accel" is, but mesa was probably doing things for you 09:28 < nmz787> kanzure: check this list out, it's all swf links, and they seem to work... http://diybio4beginners.blogspot.com/2009/02/mcgrawhill-narrated-animations-chapter.html 09:29 < kanzure> um? what is this for 09:30 < nmz787> 3D accel I think passes through the opengl kernel commands to the native video card 09:30 < nmz787> diybio 09:30 < nmz787> through virtualbox and into the windows driver* 09:30 < kanzure> looks like a standard biology textbook animation list to me.. 09:31 < kanzure> i think even holt has this 09:34 < nmz787> yeah, just saying 09:34 < nmz787> its good for the faq, somewhere 09:34 < kanzure> oh 09:35 < nmz787> kanzure: why do you think mesa has anything to do with the problem? 09:35 < kanzure> i don't. 09:36 < nmz787> (12:26:19 PM) kanzure: i don't know what "3D accel" is, but mesa was probably doing things for you 09:36 < kanzure> well, i mean, it probably is not causing the problem directly. i think the problem is that nanoengineer is expecting an older version of things. 09:36 < kanzure> type "glxinfo" to see which version of mesa is running 09:37 < nmz787> doesn't mention mesa at all 09:50 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:56 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:58 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 < jrayhawk> 'SGI' is the relevant thing 10:19 < kanzure> doh 10:22 < nmz787> hrmm 10:24 < nmz787> jrayhawk: glxinfo has no version info when I grep for SGI 10:25 < jrayhawk> i would expect something like 10:25 < jrayhawk> OpenGL vendor string: nouveau 10:25 < jrayhawk> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on NV94 10:25 < jrayhawk> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.2 10:25 < jrayhawk> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 10:25 < kanzure> haha http://news.bmezine.com/2006/01/15/magnetic-implants-a-six-month-retrospective-the-publishers-ring/ " many have had their coating rupture exposing the toxic neodymium and that a common result of implants is the formation of cysts and painful lymph around it." 10:25 < jrayhawk> oh, well, i guess if you're in a VM, I'd expect software rendering 10:26 < kanzure> yeah i expected software rendering too, but i didn't know mesa wouldn't show up in glxinfo 10:26 < kanzure> oh maybe he was grepping for the string literal 10:27 < nmz787> i was grepping for OpenGL too 10:27 < nmz787> OpenGL vendor string: Humper 10:27 < nmz787> OpenGL renderer string: Chromium 10:27 < nmz787> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Chromium 1.9 10:27 < nmz787> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.40 - Intel Build 8.15.10.2769 10:27 < nmz787> OpenGL extensions: 10:27 < kanzure> chromium...? 10:27 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(computer_graphics) 10:28 < kanzure> god damn it google 10:28 < jrayhawk> huh 10:28 < jrayhawk> what's wrong with google 10:29 < kanzure> well, if there was a pre-existing software package by that name, don't reuse the name 10:29 < jrayhawk> chromium isn't made by google 10:29 < kanzure> i mean chromium.org chromium 10:29 < nmz787> I've used Chromium before for the multi monitor junk, before google came around so big with their browser 10:29 < jrayhawk> chromium.org isn't made by google 10:30 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser) 10:31 < kanzure> seems to be google-originating to me 10:32 < jrayhawk> oh, i am wrong 10:32 < kanzure> actually i guess it doesn't explicitly state whether or not "The Chromium Project" was spawned outside of google or not 10:33 < kanzure> damn why is there no 'history of chromium' page.. silly developers focusing on their silly development work 10:33 < kanzure> "In September 2008, Google released a large portion of Chrome's source code as an open source project called Chromium[2][3] which Chrome releases continue to be based on." 10:34 < nmz787> hmm, maybe if updating the whole ubuntu system doesn't work, turning off 3D accel in virtualbox will do it then 10:34 < nmz787> I used to be able to boot this nanoengineer code to a GUI (without any chroot) 10:34 < nmz787> though it wasn't functional past that :P 10:34 < kanzure> iirc a lot of the opengl stuff is broken in modern distributions 10:35 < kanzure> so it would be worth it to ask jblake or someone who has a historical perspective on opengl 10:35 < jrayhawk> 'chrome' is also an important mozilla technology, and 'firebird' was an important open source database 10:35 < jrayhawk> i think ben goodger might just be kindof a dick when it comes to trademarks 10:36 < kanzure> did he name all those? 10:36 < kanzure> oh, chromium 10:36 < kanzure> oh, and mozilla. well then. 10:37 < jrayhawk> oh, and phoenix 10:37 < jrayhawk> hot damn, what a record 10:39 < nmz787> oh jrayhawk, i asked earlier if you knew of anyone with a rural place to rent 10:39 < kanzure> truly i can only aspire to such great heights 10:47 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-151-106.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 < jrayhawk> it'd be a bit of a hunt for slim pickings 11:04 < bkero> nmz787: Sorry, I know some folks with land, but no houses for rent. 11:07 < nmz787> thanks, i'll leave it to craigslist then i guess 11:07 < jrayhawk> rural connections are pretty lousy; you typically get at least one of choice between rural wireless, 1.5mbit dsl, and comcast cable; it's fairly easy to find cheap FTTP in the developed areas, though 11:07 < jrayhawk> you might also look at padmapper 11:10 < nmz787> i've found padmapper not to work as well as craigslist when you want to filter by keyword 11:11 < nmz787> jrayhawk: are you sufficiently far out that you have bad tubes? 11:11 < jrayhawk> 1.5mbit DSL, yes. 11:11 < nmz787> hmm 11:12 < nmz787> and i remember I didn't even have 3G or 1X there 11:12 < jrayhawk> What carrier are you with? 11:12 < nmz787> sprint 11:12 < nmz787> microwave hops from Intel... :D 11:13 < jrayhawk> huh, they're actually one of the better ones around here 11:14 < nmz787> so when i turn of 3D accel i get this msg "OpenGL Warning: Failed to connect to host. Make sure 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM." 11:14 < nmz787> but nanoengineer's GUI shows up 11:14 < nmz787> sooo, seems strange, I guess its opengl or chromium 11:16 < nmz787> oh 11:17 < nmz787> http://chromium.sourceforge.net/doc/conformance.html "Display lists aren't fully conformant. There are several issues:When using the tilesort SPU, glCopyTexImage (and similar) commands can't be implemented correctly since the framebuffer is tiled and the individual renderers can't access their peers.GL_COMPILE_AND_EXECUTE mode may not work reliably, specifically if there is a glGet* call between glNewList and glEndList which gets state 11:17 < nmz787> though nanoengineer was just using GL_COMPILE 11:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-151-106.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:39 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 13:00 < yorick> anyone seen "H+ the digital series"? 13:00 < yorick> I am severely disappointed in it 13:00 < yorick> the episodes are 5 minutes each. 13:05 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:08 < yorick> http://www.youtube.com/user/HplusDigitalSeries/feed here are the exclusive first 6 episodes only available to subscribers. 13:08 < yorick> except not really 13:10 < archels> Just watched ep 1, looks awesome :D 13:11 < yorick> archels: it's a classic "science will screw up the world" 13:12 < archels> alright, I take it the next eps are some sort of techno-anarcy bullshit then? 13:13 < yorick> no 13:13 < yorick> the next eps are "oh my god the world collapsed" 13:14 < archels> What did you think after having watched just the first ep? 13:14 < yorick> archels: after the first ep, I was curious about ep2 which is also out 13:14 < yorick> the ep1 would make a fitting intro for a longer series 13:15 < archels> well, can't wait to see it :D 13:15 < yorick> so go see it then 13:15 < yorick> it's only 5 minutes long :P 13:15 < archels> although I think there are at least two good H+ movies coming out in the next year or so 13:15 < archels> don't ask me for the titles though, you'll have to do some googleing 13:17 < kanzure> i have learned to not buy anything that says "hplus" 13:17 < yorick> kanzure: but it's free. 13:27 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:30 < Steel2> archels: one would be prototype 13:41 -!- AdrienG_ [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- AdrienG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:56 -!- yorick [~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:58 < archels> Steel2: thank you, I also remember a trailer with lots of neon and fluorescing street animals though 14:02 -!- yorick [~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 14:05 < strangewarp> Glenn Beck's latest book contains a chapter on transhumanism, where he supports the idea entirely. 14:06 < Steel2> niiice 14:06 < yashgaroth> wut 14:07 < strangewarp> There's a LessWrong thread about it.. I might as well link it, even though I'm fully aware of the "bleh" attitude such links tend to invoke here (and agree with the reasons it does so) 14:07 < strangewarp> http://lesswrong.com/lw/d1b/glenn_beck_discusses_the_singularity_cites_si/ 14:14 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:45 -!- the_merlin [~alex@li119-50.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:46 -!- alex____2 [~alex@li119-50.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:46 -!- alex____2 is now known as the_merlin 15:15 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.110.212.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:47 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 < nsh> you guys still read lesswrong? 16:00 * nsh checks current derp levels 16:00 < kanzure> no 16:00 < nsh> oh god it's a community now 16:00 < kanzure> it's growing :( 16:00 < kanzure> how do i stop it 16:01 < nsh> there'll be little yudoskinos 16:01 < nsh> this is a case for the world herp organisation 16:01 < nsh> an international innoculation campaign is required 16:02 < kanzure> i am open to ideas 16:06 < n_bentha> herp-derpies 16:09 < nsh> [[[ 16:09 < nsh> Now, imagine telling this group that capitalism and representative democracy will take the world by storm, lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. Imagine telling them their descendants will eradicate smallpox and regularly live seventy-five or more years. Imagine telling them that men will walk on the moon, that planes, flying hundreds of miles an hour, will transport people around the world, or that cities will be filled with buildings 16:09 < nsh> reaching thousands of feet into the air. 16:09 < nsh> They’d probably escort you to the madhouse. 16:09 < nsh> Unless, that is, one of the people in that group had been a man named Ray Kurzweil. 16:09 < nsh> ]]] -ibid 16:09 < nsh> this is why futurism gets a bad rep... 16:12 < Steel2> you realize that quote's not from a LWer right? 16:12 < kanzure> ray has it made for himself.. do a few music synthesizers, write some shitty OCR software and sell it xerox, and just hire some kids to write you a book on transhumanism, and you're set for life :P 16:15 * nsh smiles 16:26 < strangewarp> Oh, yeah, that entire LW post is just a blockquote of Glenn Beck 16:27 < strangewarp> So, it's a bit loopy, even though it surprisingly avoids Beck's usual horribleness 16:28 < strangewarp> horribleness/goodness/whateverness 16:28 * strangewarp fails his political neutrality roll 16:36 < ParahSailin> lesswrong is bleh here? 16:38 * yorick had no idea 16:38 < n_bentha> i don't even know who glen beck is >.< 16:38 < yorick> but it's motly nsh 16:38 < yorick> mostly* 16:40 * nsh assumes sole responsibility to semijustified extreme dislike of eliezer 16:40 < nsh> *for 16:41 < Steel2> what's your extreme dislike of him due to? 16:41 < yorick> how does one dislike eliezer? 16:41 < Steel2> oh, I can get why people dislike him 16:41 < Steel2> I don't know how that goes to extreme though 16:42 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:43 < strangewarp> Eliezer holds views on Friendly AI that may become functionally equivalent to the precautionary principle, I reckon 16:44 < nsh> here 16:44 < nsh> i just can't think how he'd be remotely useful in any actual situation where something had to be,, done 16:45 < nsh> and people listen to him. the only thing worse than people not thinking or learning is people having the mistaken impression they're doing both 16:45 < Steel2> apparently he did some decently lecturing at finance firms about locating bias 16:45 < Steel2> *decent 16:45 < ParahSailin> yudkowsky is pompous, but extreme dislike? 16:46 < ParahSailin> he can write a decent yarn 16:46 < nsh> ParahSailin, my affects are generally compensatory. if everyone hates someone who's objectively revolting, then i tend to give them more of a chance 16:46 < nsh> conversely... 16:46 < nsh> when i find something to be rated more than it ought, i have to try to correct the average 16:47 < nsh> through radical disdain 16:50 < kanzure> yorick: welcome to the official eliezer yudkowsky haters club 16:50 < kanzure> we come with badges and everything 16:50 < yorick> kanzure: I, for one, like Eliezer Yudkowsky! 16:50 < kanzure> then get the fuck out 16:50 * yorick hides 16:50 < kanzure> heh 16:51 < yorick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEiyBbP28g8 16:51 < kanzure> i've met him. he's nice in person and he's polite over email/chat/whatever. but i don't support his ideas or his cult. 16:52 < kanzure> i also hold him partly responsible for "clopping", which is annoying inofitself 16:52 < yorick> he is? 16:52 < ParahSailin> clopping? 16:52 < ParahSailin> he's a brony? 16:52 < kanzure> lesswrong is like the source of all that horse bullshit 16:52 < kanzure> blah 16:52 < yorick> it is? 16:52 * yorick likes that horse bullshit 16:52 < kanzure> blaaah 16:52 < kanzure> great.. 16:52 < ParahSailin> wait what? 16:53 < kanzure> yorick: most people disapprove of publicly admitting to masturbating to horses, dude 16:53 < yorick> kanzure: not the clopping, silly 16:53 < n_bentha> rainbow dash <3 16:53 < ParahSailin> goddamn, i didnt know you were a brony n_bentha 16:54 < n_bentha> no, my sister is 16:54 < yorick> no, that's called a "pegasis" 16:54 < yorick> or something 16:55 < n_bentha> stop wanking to horses z0mg! 16:55 * yorick denies all allegations 16:56 < kanzure> well, it's possible that 4chan did a raid on lesswrong and injected all that into the culture, which is equally hilarious, but i sort of doubt it 16:56 < ParahSailin> i kinda missed the horse masturbation completely there 16:57 * ParahSailin never went into the forum side though 16:57 < yorick> ^ 16:59 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.110.212.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04 < brownies> wtf is clopping? 17:05 < brownies> ... 17:05 < brownies> well, what the fuck. 17:06 < yorick> don't google that 17:06 < brownies> i urban-dictionary'd it... that was quite enough 17:09 < strangewarp> Today has been quite surreal 17:12 < strangewarp> Bronies are funny, because they act identical to furries, but they're in total denial about it 17:13 < strangewarp> Fixation on something that seems inexplicable to outsiders? Check. Original characters that represent themselves? Check. n inexplicably large amount of weird porn? Check 17:15 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 < ThomasEgi> strangewarp, rule 34? 17:17 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.110.212.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 < strangewarp> Rule 34 is just about proof-of-concept. If something specific then goes past that point, to become a commodity or a genre, then something different is going on :p 17:18 < ThomasEgi> whatever.. i have cookies :D 17:20 < strangewarp> mmm... 17:20 -!- tashou [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:28 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:29 < n_bentha> whatever ThomasEgi, I have cookie-dough! 17:49 < kanzure> if anyone is bored in sf and wants to go hang out with people who might pay for html/js work: 17:49 < kanzure> http://webspeeddatingdev.eventbrite.com/ 17:49 < kanzure> it's at 7pm and presumably it's "reservation only".. i have a ticket for some reason and i'm not in sf 17:50 < kanzure> any takers? 17:51 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:53 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@dslb-178-000-118-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:57 * nsh counts the reasons he's not interested in the above offer 17:57 < nsh> well, it's a prime 18:00 < nsh> pip doesn't like the egg in git:kanzure:pyphantomjs /dist 18:00 < nsh> or maybe i just don't know how to use it 18:00 < kanzure> python setup.py build ? 18:02 < nsh> trying 18:02 < nsh> oh, working now 18:02 < nsh> or at least, cmdline options shown 18:02 < kanzure> nsh: if you can get things working, please make commits in a branch and issue pull requests 18:03 < nsh> i'll try 18:03 < kanzure> clearly i have not given pyphantomjs enough attention 18:03 < nsh> it'd be good for me to make some contributions 18:03 < nsh> i've been incredibly code lazy for far too long 18:05 < nsh> kanzure, do you have any existing scripts you can send my way to for pedagogic purposes 18:05 < nsh> s/to // 18:06 < kanzure> scripts for what specifically? 18:06 < kanzure> if you mean phantomjs in general.. i was working on this for a while: 18:06 < kanzure> https://gist.github.com/80badcf6c66c7a3d8d8e 18:07 < nsh> example scripts of using pyphantomjs, or are all the calls the same as in the js version? 18:07 < nsh> no experience with JS or coffee 18:07 < nsh> i'll pick it up though 18:08 < kanzure> if you read the source code to pyphantomjs it's somewhat obvious what you need to override in your own scripts 18:08 < nsh> ok 18:11 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 18:14 < nsh> is there an argv or something? 18:14 < kanzure> in python? 18:14 < nsh> in phantomjs 18:14 < kanzure> phantom.args 18:14 < nsh> ty 18:14 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/phantomjs/wiki/QuickStart 18:14 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/phantomjs/wiki/Interface 18:15 < kanzure> iirc the main object you want is Phantom from https://github.com/kanzure/pyphantomjs/blob/master/pyphantomjs/phantom.py 18:16 < kanzure> and there's a sample __main__ here: https://github.com/kanzure/pyphantomjs/blob/master/pyphantomjs/pyphantomjs.py 18:16 < nsh> right 18:18 < kanzure> iirc there should be some way to access elements on the page from the WebPage.m_mainFrame object.. 18:19 < kanzure> something like m_mainFrame.document.findFirst("#some-crappy-div-id") 18:19 < kanzure> oops 18:19 < kanzure> something like m_mainFrame.documentElement().findFirst("#some-crappy-div-id") 18:19 < kanzure> which will return a QWebElementsomething 18:20 < nsh> hmm 18:20 < nsh> ok 18:22 < kanzure> also there's some people in #phantomjs at the moment that you can complain to 18:22 < kanzure> and #qtwebkit 18:37 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@dslb-178-000-118-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: systems shutting down_shin-to is entering sleepmode] 19:00 -!- n_bentha [~lolicon@75.110.212.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@dslb-178-000-118-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:05 -!- shin-to [~shin-to@dslb-178-000-118-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:43 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- tashou [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:20 < nmz787> kanzure: do you know ppl in austin with machine shop capabilities for the laser CNC? 20:20 < nmz787> for building it 20:21 < nsh> oh, you have a laser CNC? 20:24 < nmz787> no 20:24 < nmz787> i wanna build one 20:27 < kanzure> i don't presently have access to machining capabilities here in austin 20:27 < kanzure> except through mom or les 20:37 < nsh> no austin hackerspaces with machine tools? 20:37 < kanzure> atx hackerspace doesn't have many 20:37 < nsh> borrow a school? 20:37 < kanzure> huh? no there are others besides the school's 20:37 < kanzure> i think he was asking which ones ih ave access to 20:37 < kanzure> there's also atx dev center 20:38 < nsh> k 20:58 < nmz787> hmm 20:58 < nmz787> kanzure: does your mom ever cut metal though? 20:59 < kanzure> nope 20:59 < kanzure> it's a little out of the way, it's unrealistic 20:59 < nmz787> oh 20:59 < nmz787> who's les? 20:59 < kanzure> les was the guy who was originally doing austin hackerspace or austin techshop 20:59 < kanzure> but then austin hackerspace showed up and started using his space 21:00 < nmz787> hmm 21:01 < nmz787> well Intel said they require chandni to graduate or something before she would start working there 21:01 < nmz787> sooo, if they don't budge on that, doesn't look like we're going to portland 21:02 < nmz787> have you heard of genewiz.com? 21:03 < kanzure> no 21:03 < nmz787> sent them a resume 21:06 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-162-183.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 < yashgaroth> oh I used to get primers from genewiz 21:26 < yashgaroth> or was it sequencing...well whatever they were good at it 21:26 < nmz787> well lets see if they even get back to me 21:29 -!- AdrienG_ is now known as AdrienG 21:36 < nsh> good luck, nmz787 21:37 < nsh> was it your birthday last month, btw, nmz787? 21:37 < nmz787> yeah 21:37 < nsh> ok 21:37 < nmz787> how did you know? 21:37 < yashgaroth> ohhh I just got it 21:37 < nsh> nmz787 :) 21:37 < nsh> not too opaque 21:37 < nmz787> oh 21:37 < nmz787> right 21:37 < nmz787> :P 21:37 < nsh> and what's your mother's maiden name? 21:37 < yashgaroth> and I will venture a guess you're 25 21:37 < nsh> :P 21:38 < nmz787> OMG you guys are mind readers 21:38 < nsh> we do out best 21:38 < nmz787> lemme give you my bank acct #s 21:38 < yashgaroth> or 34 I suppose 21:38 < nsh> oh yeah 21:38 < nsh> no-one's 34 though 21:38 < yashgaroth> very true 21:38 < nsh> half life is 32 21:38 < nsh> and the wildlings don't get irc 21:39 < nmz787> yeah actually my bday is july 8th 2007 21:39 < nmz787> i'm kinda smrt for my age 21:39 < nsh> nice 21:39 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:39 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:39 < nsh> ?? 21:39 < nsh> how do you join a channel immediately before pinging out 21:39 < nsh> that doesn't science... 21:39 < yashgaroth> mok is our resident wizard 21:40 < nsh> ah ok 21:40 < nsh> wizards are omniexplicatory 21:42 < jrayhawk> timeouts aren't synchronized 21:49 < joshcryer> kanzure, btw, that Eye on Space sim got MSL's landing to within 6/10ths of a second. Don't underestimate the sim! 21:52 < nsh> MSL? 21:52 < nsh> oh 21:52 < nsh> nice 21:52 < nsh> not too non-linear a trajectory really though 21:53 < nsh> i mean, they could do the math accurately enough with 70's processing and telecomms tech 21:58 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:59 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:09 < joshcryer> http://thechive.com/2012/08/09/self-portraits-done-to-a-different-drug-every-day-45-photos/ 22:09 < joshcryer> I call art and not scientific exploration. 22:10 < yashgaroth> "computer duster" oh dear 22:12 < klafka1> dammit 22:12 < klafka1> don't huff duster 22:12 < klafka1> seen this though 22:13 < klafka1> i think it's a bit much to say that marijuana hash and BTHO are all different 22:13 < klafka1> also he also apparently huffs gas 22:14 < yashgaroth> also "g13" marijuana 22:14 < yashgaroth> there's also a glaring lack of lsd 22:14 < klafka1> yeah 22:17 < tashoutang> to Kanzure:sorry , are you a biologist or a computer scientist? 22:18 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:19 < klafka1> why not both?! 22:19 < tashoutang> of course! 22:19 < tashoutang> yeah 22:19 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:21 < tashoutang> it is cool! 22:26 < nsh> oh 22:26 < nsh> hey 22:27 < ParahSailin> 你好 22:27 < nsh> kanzure, another to add to your auction site aggregator: 22:27 < nsh> http://www.liquidation.com/c/ipad.html 22:28 * kanzure sleeps 22:30 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:31 < nsh> first i've heard of the matter 22:32 < nmz787> there also this http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm 22:33 < nsh> the speed web is pretty arty 22:33 < nmz787> i'm pretty sure his crystal meth pic should look a lot more like adderal 22:34 < nmz787> basically this is much more subjective than the spider test 22:35 < nmz787> no ether either 22:35 < yashgaroth> I still prefer the video version of the spider drug test 22:35 < nsh> man, you guys have a lot of pharms 22:35 < yashgaroth> we guys? 22:35 < nsh> the us 22:36 < yashgaroth> most of those were prescription 22:36 < nsh> i worry when drug dealers offer prescription drugs 22:36 < nsh> doesn't happen in the uk much though 22:37 < nsh> most people stick to tried, tested, and totally illegal 22:37 < yashgaroth> pretty sure you can get all that stuff in camden bruv 22:37 < ParahSailin> prescription drugs like desoxyn, cocaine, morphine? 22:37 * nsh smiles 22:38 < nsh> i don't even know what desoxyn is 22:38 < ParahSailin> methamphetamine 22:38 < nsh> medical grade cocaine would go down a treat though 22:38 < nsh> ah 22:40 < nmz787> drug laws suck 22:40 < klafka1> nmz787 it's suuuper subjective 22:41 < klafka1> especially considering that most of these drugs are very similar 22:41 < klafka1> (opioids) 22:41 < nmz787> subjective to the country? 22:41 < klafka1> no to the time they did the drug 22:41 < nmz787> oh 22:41 < nmz787> you mean the 'art' 22:41 < klafka1> yeah 22:51 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:52 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:01 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:57 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:59 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Client Quit] --- Log closed Fri Aug 10 00:00:34 2012