--- Log opened Thu Aug 16 00:00:22 2012 --- Day changed Thu Aug 16 2012 00:00 <@kanzure> sure. 00:00 < skorket> nmz787, please correct me if I'm wrong, but looking at the datasheet, I see a minimum 'on' pulse and a minimum 'off' pusle of 1 microsecond, which puts it well into the 100s of khz range... 00:01 < tashoutang> :) 00:01 < tashoutang> that is great!!! 00:02 < nmz787> tashoutang: I am building a laser CNC machine so I can cut microfluidics for a DNA synthesizer 00:02 < nmz787> skorket: I didn't look at the datasheet yet :P 00:02 < nmz787> just googled max freq stepper motor, etc 00:03 < brownies> tashoutang: what're the expensive materials that are hard for you to find? 00:03 < brownies> a phd makes it more difficult to find a job? strange. 00:03 < brownies> never heard that one before. 00:03 < nmz787> brownies: maybe being 'overqualified' 00:04 < nmz787> skorket: the sparkfun 400 step motor datasheet says nothing about freq or RPM http://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Robotics/42BYGHM809.PDF 00:04 < tashoutang> yeah , overqualified and over the ages 00:04 < tashoutang> nmz787: how much do the mature porducts cost you think? 00:05 < brownies> ah, i suppose 00:05 < tashoutang> and can you do some microchips to sequence DNA? 00:06 < brownies> you could always sell your soul to wall street... they love to hire phds 00:06 < nmz787> but at full-step the speed desired is only 53.49 rpm I believe 00:06 < tashoutang> brownies: I am not that kind of people, 00:07 < brownies> heh. understandable. 00:07 < tashoutang> I do not like that kind of life. 00:07 < nmz787> tashoutang: looking for the production equipment to cost less than $5k USD, and the synthesizer will require pumps and spectrometers so that will be around $5k-15k USD 00:08 < nmz787> tashoutang: each chip itself will only cost a few dollars including labor 00:08 < tashoutang> OK, so you can compose the software by yourself? 00:08 <@kanzure> haha yes 00:09 < nmz787> tashoutang: software programmers are easy to come by, we know a good few in this room 00:10 < nmz787> software is not so much the issue as experimenting with all the channels and mixing and chemistry stuff 00:10 < tashoutang> have you avoided the potential patents problems? 00:11 < tashoutang> I mean, you know that the biochip patents have been hold by some large companies... 00:11 < skorket> yeah, nmz787, I don't know how to calculate this. It might be worthwhile going over to #diycnc or #linuxcnc and seeing if any of them know how to do it 00:12 <@kanzure> i suggest #linuxcnc 00:13 < nmz787> yeah i'm gonna check my numbers first 00:13 < nmz787> lol 00:14 < nmz787> maybe i didn't do something right 00:14 < nmz787> before i make an ass of myself 00:14 < tashoutang> oh... you use the limux as the basic environment... 00:14 < tashoutang> linux 00:24 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:25 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:26 < tashoutang> brownies: we have PCR machine, optic microscope, autoclave, "Gilson" pipetmen, electrophoresis sets 00:27 < tashoutang> hot plates, ph meters, 00:27 < tashoutang> hood for microbes -80 and -30 freezers 00:28 < tashoutang> 96-well plate elisa reader and 96 well plate washer 00:29 < tashoutang> instruments for human physics testing 00:29 < tashoutang> in the -20 freezers, we have E. Coli 00:29 < tashoutang> colonies. 00:30 < tashoutang> I have been here for a year 00:30 < tashoutang> no idea of how to activate the lab 00:31 < tashoutang> but just keep the lab as a good teaching space 00:31 < nmz787> so how many people are using all that stuff 00:31 < nmz787> doesn't the school want to keep it only for their students' use? 00:32 < tashoutang> well, that is a very strange thing ... or problem 00:32 < tashoutang> I am just a master. 00:32 < tashoutang> the professors using this lab include: 00:33 < tashoutang> anatomy, physiology, microbiology, pathology, immunology, pharmocology 00:33 < tashoutang> 6 teachers 00:34 < tashoutang> they just use the equipments for the freshmen in this college. 00:34 < nmz787> what do you 'master' at the school? 00:34 < tashoutang> as demo some simple exp... 00:35 < tashoutang> pathology 00:35 < tashoutang> molecular pathology 00:35 < tashoutang> in college, I major in life science and chemistry 00:36 < tashoutang> I am in charge of keeping these equipments 00:36 < nmz787> so your job is like a teaching assitant now? 00:36 < tashoutang> yeah 00:36 < nmz787> ahh 00:37 < nmz787> plus lab maintenance? 00:37 < tashoutang> that is right... 00:37 < tashoutang> lab manager?:P 00:37 < nmz787> so have you found out if you can use the lab during non-teaching hours? 00:37 < nmz787> for yourself or maybe others too 00:38 < nmz787> i'm sure for yourself it doesn't seem like too muc of a problem 00:38 < nmz787> since they trust you already 00:38 < nmz787> but would be best to ask 00:38 < tashoutang> yeah 00:38 < nmz787> for other people coming in, I see the school might think about safety issues 00:38 < nmz787> liability 00:38 < tashoutang> of course they care about that... 00:38 < nmz787> their equipments getting damaged by new users that arent paying students 00:39 < nmz787> Fprojects 00:39 < nmz787> whoops 00:39 < nmz787> so you're looking for projects to do by yourself? 00:40 < tashoutang> I will be slowing down the pace to activate the equipments... because I still need time to let the teachers trust me more.... 00:40 < tashoutang> yeah 00:41 < tashoutang> and, any posibility to develop some innovative products..... 00:42 < tashoutang> maybe I should read more papers and patents first from USPTO and NIH 00:42 -!- shiquan [~shiquan@183.60.101.247] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:43 < tashoutang> transgenic E. coli to produce some products seems a good idea... 00:44 < tashoutang> but still need some columns and equipments to identifying and purifying 00:44 < tashoutang> Biological lab is managed by myself 00:45 < tashoutang> but biochemical lab is managed by two other chemical masters 00:45 < tashoutang> they have HPLC, 00:45 < shiquan> so..? 00:45 < tashoutang> and they have the extraction equipments..... 00:45 * kanzure sleeps 00:46 < tashoutang> anyway, 00:46 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 00:46 < tashoutang> how to get the idea is the most importment thing 00:47 < brownies> i'd like a cat with GFP embedded 00:47 < brownies> i would pay good money for that. 00:48 < tashoutang> green fluorescent protein? 00:48 < tashoutang> why? 00:48 < brownies> because having a glowing cat would be cool 00:49 < brownies> and i could get tons of karma on reddit! 00:52 < tashoutang> well, if you check the keywords "fluorescent fishs and pigs", you will find those have been developed in Taiwan for several years ago.... 00:52 < tashoutang> well, even fluorescent cake... 00:53 < tashoutang> fluorescent mice... 00:54 < nmz787> cool 00:54 < nmz787> yeah the HPLC would be awesome to have access to 00:54 < tashoutang> they try to sell the fluorescent fishs to Singapore several years ago... 00:55 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13AECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:55 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13AECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:55 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:55 < tashoutang> and the authorities in Singapore worried about those fragments of DNA will be transformed in to other species and thus cause the eco systems being damaged 00:56 < brownies> haha, cool, i had no idea 00:56 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:58 < tashoutang> :) transgenic species acctually are dangerous.... 01:12 < nmz787> tashoutang: i hope you're joking 01:18 < tashoutang> well, I am not joking 01:21 < tashoutang> Manosanto Inc. forced some countries to accept transgenic corns... and somehow many countries.. specially in Europe still deny those products... 01:27 < tashoutang> I just want to creat some transgenic E. Coli/ yeasts to produce some macro-molecule products but keep these creatures in the Lab.... 01:28 < tashoutang> well, if I can find some targets..... 01:30 -!- ParahSailin_ [~eg@building.houstontech.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:49 < nmz787> tashoutang: yeah just make a list of your favorite molecules, and try to find the pathways in metacyc or biocyc 01:51 < tashoutang> you mean channels metacyc? 02:00 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:39 -!- shiquan [~shiquan@183.60.101.247] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:39 -!- shiquan [~shiquan@60.55.8.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:40 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:41 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:18 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:19 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:44 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:53 -!- shiquan [~shiquan@60.55.8.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01 -!- AdrienG_ [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:22 -!- exiff [~ficl@unaffiliated/exiff] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:37 -!- blumental_ [~Kvltist@p5B33E663.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:37 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:47 -!- blumental_ [~Kvltist@p5B33E663.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:47 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:50 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@74-95-191-59-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:56 -!- kvltist [~Kvltist@p5B33E663.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:56 -!- kvltist is now known as blumental_ 05:56 -!- blumental_ is now known as blumental_s 05:56 -!- blumental_s is now known as blumental_S 06:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:47 < Utopiah> http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/y9lm0/i_am_luke_muehlhauser_ceo_of_the_singularity/ 07:34 <@kanzure> bleh 07:42 <@kanzure> what a bunch of karma whores. 07:51 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:52 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 -!- eg_ [~eg@building.houstontech.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 <@kanzure> beilstein has released a new app for viewing their journals: 07:58 <@kanzure> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.beilstein.boa.android 08:03 <@kanzure> "All articles published by the Beilstein-Institut accessed via this App are licensed by the respective authors of such articles for use in accordance with 08:03 <@kanzure> the Creative Commons Attribution License unless otherwise expressly stated." 08:05 -!- eg_ is now known as ParahSailin 08:05 -!- ParahSailin [~eg@building.houstontech.org] has quit [Changing host] 08:05 -!- ParahSailin [~eg@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:06 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m90-129-187-255.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:07 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12 -!- AdrienG_ is now known as AdrianG 08:18 < TheEmpath> I want to propose a thought experiment. 08:18 <@kanzure> no! 08:18 < TheEmpath> ! 08:18 < ParahSailin> sounds dangerous 08:18 < TheEmpath> You guys seem sharp as fuck, I think you might like it! 08:18 <@kanzure> if it's philosophy, and insufficiently thoughtful, you might be banned :P 08:18 < TheEmpath> Then I will take on that risk! 08:18 < TheEmpath> It's related to H+ in a big way 08:18 <@kanzure> bleh 08:18 < TheEmpath> NOW I PRESENT IT 08:19 < TheEmpath> "Create a new emotion." 08:19 <@kanzure> i am going to hate this (and by extension, you) 08:19 <@kanzure> fuck why would i do that 08:19 < TheEmpath> because it's never been done before 08:19 < AdrianG> what kind of worthless experiment is that 08:19 <@kanzure> nobody has rode a lamb from mexico to canada, but that doesn't make it interesting 08:19 < AdrianG> r u dum 08:20 < ParahSailin> you can't ride a lamb, you'd have to ride a llama at least 08:20 <@kanzure> AdrianG: please use your words 08:20 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: i am animal impaired 08:20 < skorket> hot tip: if you keep the power line to your dremel close to the usb line into your arduino running grbl, hilarity ensues! 08:21 < TheEmpath> This thought experiment directly relates to artificial intelligence 08:22 < TheEmpath> Roll back the clock fitty thousand years and we're wandering around bonking each other over the noggin with inefficient weaponry 08:22 < TheEmpath> our complex lexicon is gone 08:22 < TheEmpath> we have some symbology for the common activities, but nothing as complex and abstract as scientific theory 08:23 < TheEmpath> and YET even in this state, we still were able to communicate socially relevent information 08:23 <@kanzure> ugh, screw artificial intelligence 08:23 < TheEmpath> effectively 08:23 < skorket> please stop 08:23 -!- TheEmpath was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [TheEmpath] 08:23 < skorket> ha! true to your word 08:23 -!- TheEmpath [~TheEmpath@hsrp-bgp.4over.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:23 <@kanzure> skorket: so what's this bias against linux :P 08:24 < skorket> ? I'm biased _for_ linux... 08:24 < TheEmpath> sigh 08:24 <@kanzure> skorket: for your cnc machinery, i mean. 08:24 <@kanzure> propeller, arduino, all this nonsense.. 08:24 < TheEmpath> way to be like the Catholic Churhc, guise 08:24 < skorket> ah...I based my stuff on the shapeoko project, which uses an arduino 08:25 < skorket> When I was putting it together I didn't really know about linuxcnc 08:25 <@kanzure> skorket: honestly i really prefer linuxcnc for cnc projects 08:25 < skorket> now that I do, maybe I'll switch over at some point, but I kind of like having a dedicated micro for the gcode interpretation 08:25 <@kanzure> i think "hey it's just linux, so do normal linux things" is a huge advantage 08:25 < skorket> yeah, it seems like it's a pretty decent system 08:25 <@kanzure> i don't think gcode interpretation is a good idea 08:25 <@kanzure> that's an entirely additional level of software and bugs that i have to write 08:26 < TheEmpath> if you create a new emotion, logic itself is fundamentally altered. http://abusiveoracle.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-immortal-poor.html 08:26 < skorket> but nmz787 was saying something about linuxcnc not being able to keep pace with some of the stuff that he (you?) wants to do 08:26 <@kanzure> yeah i think we can possibly work around that 08:26 <@kanzure> propeller isn't the solution :P 08:26 < skorket> interesting, how are you going to work around it? 08:26 <@kanzure> possibly with bigger steps if necessary 08:27 < skorket> won't that decrease resolution? 08:28 <@kanzure> yes 08:28 < skorket> oh, so you're going to sacrifice resolution for speed? 08:29 < chris_99> why not just use a faster processor 08:29 <@kanzure> the processor speed is not the problem 08:30 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:31 < skorket> what is the restriction? Some constraint on the parallel port? 08:31 <@kanzure> rt-linux can only do 25ms interrupts 08:32 < chris_99> could you not write the code without an OS 08:32 < chris_99> ie. microcontroller 08:32 < skorket> interesting. 08:32 < skorket> ha 08:32 <@kanzure> chris_99: yes, but i'd rather use existing software. 08:32 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m90-129-187-255.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:32 <@kanzure> chris_99: i don't really want to write a gcode parser/interpreter, i think that's absurd. 08:33 <@kanzure> gcode is terrible anyway. 08:33 < skorket> grbl seems pretty decent. It doesn't have support for some commands but so far it seems alright 08:33 <@kanzure> i think that's a terrible idea. all i want is to directly control a machine from an actual computer. not something i have to flash/reburn or shit. 08:33 < chris_99> haha 08:34 < skorket> flash once with grbl... 08:34 -!- exiff [~ficl@unaffiliated/exiff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:34 < TheEmpath> async. computer issues commands to a queue, the controller reads off the queue. 08:34 <@kanzure> no, i don't want to flash with grbl. 08:35 <@kanzure> i just want linux. 08:35 < ParahSailin> plug your microcontroller thing into your computer as a peripheral 08:35 < skorket> anyway, I'm really agnostic. I am all for whatever works, and so far, grbl on an arduino is working 08:36 < skorket> I'm happy to move over to linuxcnc when I get around to it 08:39 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:40 < chris_99> has anyone made a 3D printer out of interest 08:41 -!- exiff [~ficl@unaffiliated/exiff] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 <@kanzure> chris_99: jmil made the 3d tissue printer you read about recently in the news 08:42 <@kanzure> does that count 08:42 < chris_99> ooh cool 08:42 <@kanzure> fenn made a repstrap? or a mendel? 08:42 < chris_99> i'm just curious how much they cost to make 08:44 <@kanzure> depends.. in parts <$500 08:45 < chris_99> hmm, that's pretty good 08:51 < ParahSailin> jmil's application was actually appropriate for 3d printing 08:51 < ParahSailin> 3d printing as a general fabrication method for plastic parts? a bit slow, no? 09:10 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:11 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: some people prefer it to making plastic injection molding equipment 09:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:12 < ParahSailin> i can see that 09:12 < ParahSailin> i just wonder why people prefer it to mills 09:12 <@kanzure> mills are big and bulky (even though they don't really have to be) 09:13 < ParahSailin> or any sort of subtractive machining for plastic 09:13 <@kanzure> plastic sheers (is that the right word?) 09:14 < ParahSailin> im sure you could build a mill for $500 09:14 < ParahSailin> its not as if reprap is supercheap 09:14 <@kanzure> i agree with you that mills are pretty fun and usable 09:16 < ParahSailin> maybe my use case is just different from that of reprap people 09:16 <@kanzure> probably not 09:17 <@kanzure> btw if you want to watch the reprap riffraff take a look at #reprap 09:17 < ParahSailin> ah, dont want me to rant about it here :) 09:17 <@kanzure> no, i am fine with you ranting 09:18 <@kanzure> i just think #reprap is worth knowing about 09:18 <@kanzure> >350 people doing reprap things 09:20 <@kanzure> another good one is #linuxcnc if you want people with actual equipment :P 09:23 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:27 < AdrianG> kanzure: are there enzymes to grow steroids 09:27 < AdrianG> uh i mean 09:27 < AdrianG> can we modify yeast to grow testosterone 09:28 < ParahSailin> that might be one of the things it's cheaper to use synthetic chemistry to do 09:28 <@kanzure> huh? how is synthetic chemistry cheaper than growing things? 09:28 <@kanzure> i guess extraction and purification has some cost 09:30 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:30 < TheEmpath> the time required to extract, refine, and distribute chemicals go down at a steady rate over time. Has anything been applied to reduce the time required to grow/mature biology to a useful state? 09:31 <@kanzure> yes, that's what an enzyme is? 09:31 < ParahSailin> http://www.aidic.it/ibic2010/webpapers/93Fogal.pdf 09:32 < ParahSailin> "Microbiological transformation of steroids has long been used in industrial synthesis 09:32 < ParahSailin> (Sedlaczek and Smith, 1988)." 09:32 <@kanzure> well, i knew about the synthetic routes for testosterone 09:32 < chris_99> does anyone know of something similar to a peristaltic pump, but faster 09:47 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:48 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- HariSeldon [~Shehrazad@88.243.98.45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- Haruspex [~Shehrazad@88.243.0.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:49 -!- HariSeldon is now known as Haruspex 09:49 -!- Haruspex [~Shehrazad@88.243.98.45] has quit [Changing host] 09:49 -!- Haruspex [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 < AdrianG> ParahSailin: synthetic chemistry would be cheaper 10:02 < AdrianG> but once the strain is developed 10:02 < AdrianG> it is easier to spread 10:05 -!- nsh [~Smedley@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- Vicarious [diepfriet@CAcert/Vicarious] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38 -!- Vicarious [diepfriet@CAcert/Vicarious] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 < ParahSailin> it would be nice to have a hGH pichia strain 10:39 < AdrianG> well, isnt most hgh produced by gmo ecoli? 10:42 < ParahSailin> whatever the expression system is, it would be nice to have it :) 10:58 < AdrianG> well 10:58 < AdrianG> read the somatropin patent 10:59 < AdrianG> it has already expired. 11:16 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:17 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:22 < chris_99> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/aug/16/book-written-dna-code 11:28 -!- exiff [~ficl@unaffiliated/exiff] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:39 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 < TheEmpath> i'd hit it 12:00 < jrayhawk> http://www.thingiverse.com/tag:grab huh, surprisingly slim pickings 12:01 < jrayhawk> If I got a reprap, the first thing I would do is cover every wall with holds. 12:01 -!- blumental_S [~Kvltist@p5B33E663.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:02 < jrayhawk> http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/07/c6/a8/8e/ae/bubble_hold.scad looks pleasantly easy to paramterize, though. 12:02 < jrayhawk> parameterize 12:10 <@kanzure> except why bother with an entirely new language? 12:10 <@kanzure> especially one without native support for variables 12:11 <@kanzure> oh, you're climbing things again 12:11 <@kanzure> i will let you be 12:11 < jrayhawk> don't push me or i will start writing things in pov 12:12 < jrayhawk> I'LL DO IT I SWEAR 12:16 < delinquentme> SO. 12:16 < delinquentme> Good idea / Bad idea 12:16 <@kanzure> bad idea 12:16 < delinquentme> writing a letter to someone whos been talking about picking you up to do work... and pushing them to move quicker 12:16 < delinquentme> ( nicely of course ) 12:16 <@kanzure> did they send you the contracts? 12:16 < delinquentme> nah 12:16 <@kanzure> if not, then your letter should include your version of the contracts. 12:17 < delinquentme> so I should find some contracts 12:17 <@kanzure> you should pay a lawyer to write some 12:17 < delinquentme> you have ones I can copy kanz? 12:17 <@kanzure> he will charge you $50 to $200 prolly 12:18 <@kanzure> i would rather you don't copy me because i'm not a replacement for lawyering 12:20 < delinquentme> but you do contract work 12:21 < delinquentme> and what kind of lawyer should I google to find someone who knows wtf is up with contract / software dev 12:22 <@kanzure> contract law. 12:22 <@kanzure> ideally someone in your area. 12:35 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13AECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13AECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-190-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-190-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 13:05 -!- yorick [~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07 -!- yorick [~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 <@kanzure> http://www.webkit.org/coding/coding-style.html#indentation-no-tabs 13:15 <@kanzure> so they want "int main()\n{" but they also want "if {" (with no newline) 13:15 <@kanzure> what a bizarre inconsistency? 13:15 < ParahSailin> legalzoom is a replacement for lawyering 13:15 < brownies> *is not 13:16 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:18 < brownies> kanzure: nice style guide... other than the weirdness with the braces 13:18 < TheEmpath> i prefer if { 13:19 < TheEmpath> people mostly read the intents anyways 13:19 <@kanzure> i tend to put curly-braces on the same line as my statements, but if i put them on a newline i never mix the styles 13:19 < jrayhawk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdbJP8Gxqog 3d printing large structures with concrete 13:20 <@kanzure> joe are you getting 3d printing fever? 13:20 <@kanzure> there's still that $20,000 up for grabs coming up in december, if someone wants to nail that.. 13:21 < chris_99> 20k for what? 13:21 < jrayhawk> no i don't really have anything i care enough about prototyping to spend thousands of dollars in materials and man-hours to buy or build a 3d printer 13:22 <@kanzure> chris_99: http://gadaprize.org/ 13:22 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: nerf guns 13:23 < jrayhawk> okay you've convinced me 13:23 < ParahSailin> $20k? 13:23 < chris_99> intrigueing 13:26 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:27 < ParahSailin> i think that water one is already solved 13:27 <@kanzure> kartik never raised the money for that one 13:27 <@kanzure> so there's no payout on the water prize thing 13:27 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:28 < chris_99> what wasa the water prize? 13:31 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@82.158.2.163.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m90-129-18-73.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:40 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18 -!- blumental_S [~Kvltist@p5B33E663.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:19 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:26 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@82.158.2.163.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37 < minimoose> This could never possibly work here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdbJP8Gxqog 14:38 < minimoose> The presenter, Behrokh Khoshnevis, is forgetting the single most important physical factor that overwhelms all such advantages that 3d printing large concrete structures might have. 14:38 < chris_99> which is? 14:39 < minimoose> Trade Unions 14:39 < minimoose> You can't even move a paperclip in Philadelphia without the unions picketing and smashing car windows. 14:40 <@kanzure> solution: nuke philadelphia, or don't live there 14:41 < chris_99> haha 14:41 < strangewarp> Definitely agree that big unions, being based in an economy of jobs and cut off from their revolutionary roots, are inherently against any concept of radical abundance... 14:41 < minimoose> I actually live in the suburbs for that very reason (in part). 14:42 < chris_99> ok heres a silly idea: would it be possible, to modify yeast to break down alcohol 14:42 < chris_99> rather than create it 14:43 <@kanzure> you want a alcohol dehydrogenase 14:44 < chris_99> not heard that term before, but yeah it looks like it 14:44 < yashgaroth> they might do it anyway if you just give them oxygen 14:45 < chris_99> hmm 'The first ever isolated alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) was purified in 1937 from Saccharomyces cerevisiae (baker’s yeast).' 14:45 < minimoose> Comcast put up a building in Philadelphia not so long ago. 14:45 < minimoose> Philadelphia is, for example, said to be the only large city in America that doesn’t call for PVC pipe as the standard plumbing material. It still calls for cast iron. PVC is cheaper, lighter and longer lasting. But one plumber can carry 10 lengths of PVC pipe; it takes 10 plumbers to carry a length of cast iron. 14:46 < minimoose> Knowing the power of the trade unions, the developers of the “green” Comcast tower had little option but to strike an absurd deal: The Comcast tower got its new toilets. But only because it also got a full set of old-fashioned pipes, installed by union plumbers. The pipes run throughout all 58 floors, just like in any other skyscraper. 14:46 < minimoose> Except in the Comcast tower, they’re not connected to anything. 14:46 < minimoose> Maybe we can nuke just the unions. 14:47 < strangewarp> If you nuke the unions, you'll have to replace them with universal welfare, or else there will be job riots. 14:47 < minimoose> Universal welfare would be less destructive than paying people to put pipes in buildings that don't need/want them. 14:47 < jrayhawk> or, worse yet, continuous toilet sabotage, then we'll have shit riots 14:47 < strangewarp> That might make for a pretty cool political deal between the left and right, weirdly.. 14:49 < minimoose> Instead of bribing the unions to put in pipe that nobody wants…. just pay them cash and call a payoff a payoff. 14:55 < strangewarp> indeed 14:58 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:08 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Client Quit] 15:08 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: brb] 15:08 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:08 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08 -!- jmil_ is now known as jmil 15:09 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 < ParahSailin> i wouldnt mind repealing certain union monopolies 15:13 <@kanzure> you only say that because you don't benefit 15:13 <@kanzure> hah. 15:19 -!- blumental_S is now known as bluemntal_Profit 15:20 < ParahSailin> i'd hate to use a monopoly to mulct people myself 15:29 <@kanzure> minimoose: have you eyeballed this yet? http://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer#readme 15:29 < minimoose> no, sir… but I will after dinner… back in a bit. 15:30 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@74-95-191-59-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: minimoose] 15:30 -!- bluemntal_Profit is now known as blumental_profit 15:35 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:38 -!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m90-129-18-73.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:58 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:20 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:29 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:31 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 < brownies> where is that paperbot ? 16:48 < yashgaroth> .wik paperbot 16:48 < paperbot> "Paperboy is a 1984 arcade game by Atari Games." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperboy_(video_game) 16:48 < yashgaroth> close enough 16:50 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:55 < brownies> dammit kanzure 16:55 < brownies> document your lazy robot 16:55 < brownies> what's the paperfetching command? 16:56 < yashgaroth> .fetch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQqA906Ht4 16:56 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper... 16:57 < brownies> ah, thanks yashgaroth 16:57 < brownies> .fetch http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0164121285900068 16:57 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper... 16:57 < brownies> well, that was thoroughly disappointing. 16:58 < brownies> ooh, here's a fun idea 16:58 < brownies> eh, never mind. 17:00 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02 <@kanzure> oh 17:02 <@kanzure> i see you're already on that 17:02 <@kanzure> and, furthermore, i had already disappointed you 17:03 < brownies> nice detective work 17:03 -!- seanstickle [~seanstick@c-98-218-6-204.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 < seanstickle> paperbot: .fetch http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0164121285900068 17:05 <@kanzure> .fetch http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0164121285900068 17:05 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper... 17:06 < seanstickle> Ah 17:06 < chris_99> does it have a subscription to sciencedirect? 17:06 <@kanzure> yes 17:06 < seanstickle> Oooh 17:06 <@kanzure> well, no.. 17:06 < seanstickle> D'oooh 17:06 <@kanzure> it's certainly not paying for it ;) 17:07 < chris_99> heh 17:07 < brownies> to wit, it's not actually doing anything. 17:07 <@kanzure> sorry, i'll fix things 17:07 <@kanzure> i really want to avoid writing custom scrapers when zotero's are all just sitting there, being so peaceful 17:07 < brownies> i think i'll just go about this in the normal way... i'm off to demand a copy from the author. 17:08 <@kanzure> oh, i'll grab it 17:08 < seanstickle> Yay 17:09 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 <@kanzure> oh, no, i don't seem to have easy access to this one 17:10 <@kanzure> i would have to actually try 17:10 < seanstickle> Boo 17:11 < ParahSailin__> who is at pdx.edu 17:11 <@kanzure> paperbot would have failed anyway, because i was testing from the same server 17:11 <@kanzure> ParahSailin__: sssh 17:11 <@kanzure> there are some other servers i have access to, and that paperbot is supposed to try, but again this isn't working entirely 17:11 <@kanzure> also upcoming is an android proxy for college students to run for my personal benefit 17:12 < ParahSailin__> how so? 17:13 <@kanzure> the idea is that it phone homes to me and then i use that proxy to grab papers (depending on the campus) 17:15 < ParahSailin__> ah, a botnet to let you download papers? 17:16 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@pool-98-114-46-42.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 <@kanzure> haha i guess so? 17:17 < seanstickle> ResearchNet 17:17 < chris_99> what would be the benefit of the user kanzure 17:17 < chris_99> *to the user 17:18 -!- minimoose_ [~minimoose@pool-98-114-46-42.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 < ParahSailin__> slacktivism 17:19 < seanstickle> If it gets me research papers, you can call it whatever you want. 17:19 <@kanzure> seanstickle: right 17:20 < chris_99> maybe you should just customise a worm ;) 17:20 <@kanzure> maybe i already have 17:20 <@kanzure> (i haven't) 17:21 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@pool-98-114-46-42.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21 -!- minimoose_ is now known as minimoose 17:22 <@kanzure> chris_99: the benefit to the user is that it drains their battery life 17:22 < chris_99> lol 17:22 < ParahSailin__> nice http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3247092/judge-to-apple-youre-smoking-crack 17:24 < AdrianG> she's korean 17:24 < AdrianG> she's gonna rep samsung 17:25 < ParahSailin__> koh isnt a common korean name 17:25 < ParahSailin__> more commonly the cantonese variant of gao 17:26 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:29 < AdrianG> even worse 17:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:47 -!- ParahSailin__ [~parah@adsl-69-151-157-115.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:05 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-157-115.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 < AdrianG> ok 18:07 < AdrianG> anyone used 23andme 18:08 < brownies> they're still in business? 18:08 <@kanzure> it depends on what you call business 18:10 < AdrianG> they are backed by billionaire's money 18:10 < AdrianG> plenty of cash to burn thru 18:13 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@pool-98-114-46-42.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: minimoose] 18:19 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 18:21 <@kanzure> AdrianG: so you suspect that all of 23andme's funding comes from him? iirc you're wrong 18:24 < ParahSailin_> microarrays are pretty cheap once amortized 18:25 < AdrianG> kanzure: im saying if shit hits the fan, he has cash 18:26 < AdrianG> obv they are making some money 18:26 <@kanzure> no they aren't making money 18:26 < ParahSailin_> who is the billionaire behind them 18:26 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: her husband 18:26 < ParahSailin_> her? 18:26 < yashgaroth> sergey brin I think, or the other one 18:26 < ParahSailin_> oh... 18:27 <@kanzure> from now on i should describe larry page as "the other one" 18:28 < AdrianG> they arent making money? 18:28 < AdrianG> damn 18:28 <@kanzure> no all of their kits are sold at a loss and they try to make it up on subscriptions 18:29 <@kanzure> (or something) 18:29 <@kanzure> or possibly through those nih research grants 18:29 < yashgaroth> they haven't charged me for my subscription in 4 months 18:30 < AdrianG> yashgaroth: cos they changed the billing model 18:30 < AdrianG> subscriptions are no moar 18:30 < AdrianG> its a one shot fee of 300 bux 18:30 <@kanzure> no more subscriptions? 18:30 < AdrianG> yup 18:30 < AdrianG> u just pay upfront now lol 18:30 < ParahSailin_> oh interesting 18:31 < yashgaroth> works for me 18:31 <@kanzure> and you get unlimited access to their snp data? 18:31 < AdrianG> sounds like it 18:31 < ParahSailin_> i just missed a coupon code then 18:31 -!- seanstickle [~seanstick@c-98-218-6-204.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: seanstickle] 18:31 < AdrianG> not sure if u get unlimited access to ALL of THEIR data 18:31 < AdrianG> certainly yours. 18:31 <@kanzure> no i mean their snp library 18:32 <@kanzure> which they previously published through their subscriber's portal 18:32 <@kanzure> can you give evidence that they have changed their model? 18:34 < yashgaroth> if it's anything like google they'll manage to make billions selling people's snp data to advertisers 18:37 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@pool-98-114-46-42.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:40 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.172.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43 <@kanzure> minimoose: welcome back 18:43 < minimoose> thanks 18:44 < minimoose> Can I test your journal article magic? 18:44 <@kanzure> go right ahead.. i might have to help it though 18:45 < minimoose> http://www.springerlink.com/content/kw1716u555371764/ 18:45 < minimoose> That's what I want to grab. 18:45 < minimoose> Tell me the syntax again? 18:45 <@kanzure> paperbot doesn't work on springerlink yet, one sec.. 18:45 < minimoose> ahh ok 18:46 <@kanzure> minimoose: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/djfkdadfad.pdf 18:47 < minimoose> The requested URL /~bryan/papers2/djfkdadfad.pdf was not found on this server. 18:47 <@kanzure> oops, try now. 18:47 < minimoose> Thanks so much! 18:47 <@kanzure> "High yield DNA extraction from the snake cast-off skin or bird feathers using collagenase" 18:48 <@kanzure> so is snake gender hard to identify or something? 18:48 <@kanzure> or why did you bring that up 18:49 < minimoose> Yes it is. 18:49 < yashgaroth> the hassle of finding collagenase is greater than the hassle of lower-quality DNA, I'd imagine 18:49 < minimoose> Lots of people keep pet snakes and have no idea the gender. 18:49 < minimoose> Birds tend to be easy to identify by gender. 18:50 < minimoose> Seeing as the males look like male peacocks, and the females look like Helen Thomas. 18:51 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:53 < minimoose> Plus also, my religion: snake handler 18:53 < yashgaroth> "this method using collagenase was more effective than the conventional method (data not shown)." pfffft 18:54 < minimoose> There used to be text on the outside of a bag of snack food: "Fewer calories than you think!" 18:55 < minimoose> Perhaps that statement was true the very first time I checked the calories per serving. 18:56 < minimoose> But in all subsequent purchases of General Mills Bugles, the calorie count was exactly what I thought. 18:58 -!- seanstickle [~seanstick@c-98-218-6-204.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 < jrayhawk> what a strange advertisement 18:59 -!- seanstickle [~seanstick@c-98-218-6-204.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 18:59 < jrayhawk> "our food contains less food!" 19:00 < minimoose> I was hoping that the statement would be true. 19:00 < minimoose> And that each time I checked the bag, there would be not only fewer calories, but fewer than I was expecting. 19:01 < minimoose> So the 2nd purchase I would be expecting no change, but the calorie count would go down ONE calorie... 19:01 < minimoose> then the 3rd purchase I would be expecting another drop by one calorie, but it would instead be two more... 19:01 < minimoose> etc. 19:01 < minimoose> Alas, the people at General Mills were lying to me. 19:02 <@kanzure> joe's point was that advertising "less calories" is silly in the first place (you are buying food aren't you?) 19:02 < minimoose> Yes, I understand. 19:02 < minimoose> But I was seduced by the false promise. 19:03 <@kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer#readme might be entertaining 19:17 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:25 < delinquentme> visual diff for 3d models 19:25 < delinquentme> http://cubehero.com/physibles/iamwil/robokitty/history/0cecb53528a7be6eb6236e01f36b7e37dbb260c8/robokitty.stl 19:27 -!- exiff [~ficl@unaffiliated/exiff] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:43 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:49 < brownies> minimoose: perhaps it was marketed primarily towards the extremely forgetful 19:49 < minimoose> very good point 19:50 < minimoose> or perhaps the product included a neural editor that was not working on me 19:52 < brownies> that would be a real step up from the CrackerJack prizes 19:54 < AdrianG> kanzure: i just tried to sign for 23andme 19:54 < AdrianG> and they told me to pay 300 bux instead of subscription 19:54 <@kanzure> no, the subscription comes after 19:55 < AdrianG> 23andMe offers access to the following, at one price with NO subscriptions: 19:55 < AdrianG> Over 200 online health & traits reports 19:55 < AdrianG> The largest genealogical DNA database in the world 19:55 < AdrianG> Updates on new genetic discoveries that are personalized for your DNA by our experts 19:55 < AdrianG> _NO_ subscriptions 19:55 < AdrianG> kanzure: do you know of any specifically diybio chats 19:55 <@kanzure> this is it 19:55 < AdrianG> ppl who actually actively work on some garage bio 19:55 <@kanzure> this is as diybio as you get. 19:55 <@kanzure> that's us. 19:55 < AdrianG> idk i cant tell if anyone here is doing anything practical 19:55 < AdrianG> instead of chatting 19:55 <@kanzure> AdrianG: maybe you should look more closely 19:55 < AdrianG> oic u guiz actually modify bacteria and shiz? 19:55 < AdrianG> i should 19:55 < AdrianG> too busy trollin raw vegans 19:56 < minimoose> In addition to chatting, I am also watching a movie, which I deem to be highly practical. 19:56 < minimoose> Also, I recently let my puppy outside. 19:58 < minimoose> I believe that she produced a biological end product, which was her DIY project for the night. 20:17 < AdrianG> -.- 20:29 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 21:27 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:32 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@99-71-136-35.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 21:37 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 < skorket> how's everybody doing? 22:04 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@pool-98-114-46-42.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: minimoose] 22:07 < foucist> you can't handle the truth! 22:07 < skorket> I, myself, am not doing so well. I just blew out another stepper driver and now have to wait for a new one to come in the mail 22:09 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:10 < skorket> nmz787 isn't around? did he figure out how to calculate the max rpm of a stepper? 22:18 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@neuroblastoma.cs.pdx.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:47 -!- blumental_profit [~Kvltist@p5B33E663.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:48 <@kanzure> hrrm 22:56 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 23:15 <@kanzure> "So perhaps a neo-credentialist-Keynesian solution would be to have the government print up college degrees for mailing to the 6 million un-degreed unemployed?" 23:28 < brownies> wtf? 23:28 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:28 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:30 < strangewarp> Nah, just have the RichKidsOfInstagram take them on as roommates and market it as a reality show, that way it isn't welfare 23:37 < brownies> so this is what grad school is like, huh? http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1516 23:38 <@kanzure> infinitely worse 23:38 <@kanzure> that's just day 5 of grad school 23:39 < brownies> at least there's ramen 23:39 <@kanzure> no you have to buy your own 23:40 < foucist> that'd be funny "join our grad school, free ramen!" 23:40 <@kanzure> they usually claim they have free food 23:40 <@kanzure> but that's only on fridays during the seminar 23:40 <@kanzure> and most of the time the food is eaten by the professors anyway 23:44 * kanzure sleeps --- Log closed Fri Aug 17 00:00:51 2012