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05:27 < minimoose> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2189362/Jackie-Stallone-90-brings-inflated-trout-pout-Hollywood-premiere-son-Slys-film.html 05:28 < Utopiah> prefer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/sun-jifa-prosthetic-hands_n_1777168.html#slide=1382924 05:32 < minimoose> That's why I fish with bleach rather than dynamite. 06:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:08 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:40 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:42 < minimoose> http://www.kurzweilai.net/3d-printed-meat-development-funded?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=79cfdc0810-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email 06:45 < ParahSailin_> gonna be more expensive than growing whole animals 06:52 < foucist> ParahSailin_: disruptive technology tends to start off more expensive then end up cheaper 06:53 < ParahSailin_> chicken meat can be produced at a feed ratio of 2 06:54 < ParahSailin_> beat that in tissue culture 06:54 < ParahSailin_> cow can be produced out of non-food items like grass and hay 06:56 < ParahSailin_> the work needed in a factory to turn that stuff into sugar and amino acid tissue culture medium is incredibly less efficient 06:56 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 06:56 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kygpadpbsfjzciqq] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 06:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: bkero, JayDugger, Vicarious, Proteus, the_merlin, ParahSailin, chris_99, Helleshin, Jenda`, upgrayeddd, (+53 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 06:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nmz787, chris_99, Mokbortolan_1, augur, minimoose, ThomasEgi, EnLilaSko, superkuh, archels, blumental_profit (+53 more) 06:58 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 < nmz787> ParahSailin_: what is the feed ratio? 07:01 < ParahSailin_> 5 lb chicken takes 10 lbs feed 07:03 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 < foucist> ParahSailin_: there's other factors to consider as well, such as amount of land to generate the feed required, amount of land to host the food producing mammals, the suffering that is inflicted on these animals, and so on 07:11 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utrqofhpymardgao] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:11 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utrqofhpymardgao] has quit [Changing host] 07:11 -!- brownies [u1042@unaffiliated/brownies] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:11 -!- brownies [u1042@unaffiliated/brownies] has quit [Changing host] 07:11 -!- brownies [u1042@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utrqofhpymardgao] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 < nmz787> how about water usage and amount of fertilizer required to produce that feed 07:13 < nmz787> as well as how much of that fertilizer runs off the farm into watersheds 07:13 < ParahSailin_> what are you gonna make medium out of? corn syrup? 07:13 < ParahSailin_> so its same feedstock 07:16 < nmz787> well we could just engineer algae to taste better :/ 07:25 < foucist> well isn't that where the meat's gonna come from? algae or fungus or similar 07:26 < foucist> or some sort of nano process hmm 07:41 <@kanzure> royal society of chemistry journal pricing for 2013: http://www.rsc.org/images/New%202013%20RSC%20Price%20List_tcm18-221153.pdf 07:44 <@kanzure> "All databases from 2013 will be online only (this applies to individual subscriptions and collections) and we are discontinuing the Chromatography Abstracts database" 07:47 <@kanzure> gaah sciencedirect has broken the down arrow key 07:47 < nmz787> kanzure: expensive 07:47 < nmz787> its crazy that print only costs about $200 more for lab on a chip 07:47 < nmz787> $200 seems reasonable for a year of microfluidics articles 07:48 < nmz787> but not $3000 07:49 < JayDugger> Algae (spirulina and chlorella) tastes fine. 07:49 < JayDugger> Just like fish food. 07:50 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:51 < JayDugger> If you can learn to drink beer, you can learn to eat algae. 07:53 < nmz787> lol 07:53 < nmz787> can you survive on algae today though, or does it need supplemented? 07:54 < JayDugger> Spirulina has all essential amino acids, IIRC, but not all vitamins nor minerals. 07:54 <@kanzure> here's church's latest article (the one in the news about books): 07:55 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Church%20-%20Storing%20HTML%20and%20JavaScript%20in%20DNA%20and%20reading%20it%20out%20-%202012.pdf 07:55 <@kanzure> basically he stored html and javascript in html 07:55 <@kanzure> then he sequenced it and retrieved the data. 07:55 <@kanzure> um 07:55 <@kanzure> *html and javascript in dna 07:55 < JayDugger> s/html/dna/? 07:55 < JayDugger> That's not right. 07:55 <@kanzure> i corrected myself already 07:55 < JayDugger> what's the regular expression for the second instance> 07:55 < JayDugger> Sorry. 07:56 <@kanzure> well in this case it's html$ 07:56 < JayDugger> "DNA has many potential advantages as a medium for immutable, high latency information storage needs." 07:56 < JayDugger> Read time? Seek time? Write time? 07:57 <@kanzure> duplication, error checking, etc. 07:58 <@kanzure> ctrl-x ctrl-e is my new favorite bash friend 07:59 <@kanzure> although, what i really want is just some way to search the current line to move my cursor.. 07:59 < JayDugger> I remember a SF short story, "People of the Book"? where Moslems had the Koran encoded in their introns...but my search-fu falls. 07:59 < JayDugger> fails. 08:00 < JayDugger> C-M ] 08:00 < JayDugger> I think that only works in reverse, though. 08:02 <@kanzure> wtf is this devil magic? set -i vi; esc-3b-i .. it's sort of like vi except not? 08:04 < nmz787> kanzure: that paper has kosuri again (the guy gibson mentioned on the phone) 08:04 < JayDugger> bash readline says C-] for character-search when in emacs mode, but I must use C-M-] 08:05 <@kanzure> well, i use ctrl-r regularly but that's not what i want 08:05 < JayDugger> reverse search history, right? 08:06 <@kanzure> yes that's ctrl-r 08:06 <@kanzure> oh well. vi-mode editing in bash is good enough for now. 08:06 < JayDugger> You want to search on a line, I think, which C-] or M-C-] will do, if set -o emacs gets set first. 08:06 < JayDugger> WFM, YMMV, etc. 08:07 <@kanzure> well, i was hoping that there's some bash-internal-thing that i can use without having to add set -o lines to all .bashrc files i encounter 08:08 < JayDugger> That I don't know. I just type it at the prompt if the .bashrc hasn't got it. 08:08 <@kanzure> that's not useful.. usually you're in the middle of a very long entry when you realize you want to edit it 08:08 < JayDugger> It's only what, 12 keystrokes? Under a second for you. 08:09 <@kanzure> no my point is that if you have a huge buffer, the only thing you can do is ctrl-c and lose it, and then set -o, and then retype the original (because it wont be in your bash history because you ctrl-c'd) 08:09 <@kanzure> s/huge buffer/huge line 08:10 <@kanzure> oh, unless you comment it out with # and then hit enter 08:10 <@kanzure> i should do that 08:10 < JayDugger> Will the C-c prevent the line from writing to .bash_history? It does! I didn't know that. 08:11 < JayDugger> And I didn't know that comment it out trick, eithe. 08:11 < JayDugger> either. 08:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18 <@kanzure> ok, so the "get out of trouble" bash editing guide: page-home, add "# " to the beginning of the line, hit enter, set -o viemacsohgod, arrow up up, then enter editing mode or uh.. ctrl-x ctrl-e if you're ok with opening $EDITOR 08:21 < ParahSailin> arent all you ninjas using zsh? 08:21 <@kanzure> nope i am a backwards bash user 08:22 < JayDugger> bash, and punch cards! 08:22 < JayDugger> none of that paper tape nonsense, 08:26 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:32 <@kanzure> japanese things http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tlje5EODTIA 08:32 <@kanzure> well, i've had my dose of japanese oddities for today i guess. 08:35 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:39 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40 -!- Haruspex [~Shehrazad@88.243.141.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 -!- pasky_ is now known as pasky 08:57 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@75-163-74-32.omah.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:58 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:04 <@kanzure> "Knew someone years ago who had a health food store. He had problems with people stealing product. CCTV was just starting to become common place, but was still expensive. He found somewhere that would sell you a plastic camera body shell, with a red LED sticking out of the body that would flash periodically. It cost maybe $50, where a real one would have cost $1000+." 09:10 < nmz7871> ? 09:10 -!- nmz7871 is now known as nmz787 09:11 <@kanzure> "John Schloendorn is the most competent biotech guy I know." 09:11 < Haruspex> Well, it now cheap but in most places they don't record as it would mean a tremendous amount of space 09:11 <@kanzure> evidence that eliezer is full of shit 09:11 < Haruspex> *+is 09:12 < Haruspex> they are generally only live feed, with maybe up to a few days worth of recordings 09:12 < nmz787> kanzure: have you seen this http://sourceforge.net/projects/pycam/ 09:13 < nmz787> kanzure: who are you quoting? 09:14 <@kanzure> eliezer yudkowsky 09:14 <@kanzure> basically, my nemesis. 09:18 <@kanzure> uhh "Dear Dr. Bishop, Given your field of interest I would like to invite you to submit your next manuscript to the innovative new open access journal GigaScience." i guess they didn't do their research on the gigabooks brand. 09:19 <@kanzure> oh it's bgi.. so it's chinese gigascience, i see. 09:20 < skorket> hey, nmz787, did you figure out your max rpm issue? 09:20 < nmz787> the motor would need to turn at around 3200 RPM 09:21 < nmz787> the sparkfun 400 step motors dont have a datasheet with more than a few chinese characters on them about power 09:24 < skorket> you really need 3200 rpm? 09:24 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 < nmz787> to achieve the speed we want, yea 09:25 < nmz787> that's at constant velocity too 09:25 < skorket> yikes. That seems pretty high, but, of course, I'm no expert. 09:25 < nmz787> i have no idea 09:26 < skorket> anyway, those motors seem to have somewhere in the 100's of rpms. See here: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10846 . In the comments, someone mentions them stalling at 88 rpm 09:27 < skorket> also, some useful 'ballpark' figures can be found here: http://www.velmex.com/motor_torque.html 09:27 < phryk> kanzure: Do you actually have a doctors title? 09:27 < nmz787> hmm http://www.adafruit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&p=117285 09:27 < skorket> their datasheets for the motors have torque vs. rpm as well, to get a sense 09:27 < nmz787> this says 1000rpm was achieved 09:28 < skorket> yeah, interesting 09:28 < nmz787> seems like max RPM is limited by the controller's max pulse freq, and amperage available 09:28 < nmz787> lots of motor torque curves decrease as pulse freq increases 09:28 < skorket> right, he says something about using ARDUMOTOR, so maybe he doesn't know how to configure it properly 09:28 < nmz787> that may mean i need more than the pololu controller 09:29 < skorket> I saw my stepper stall out when trying to push it. I just had to decrease the pulse width and it worked fine 09:29 < skorket> yes, that may be true 09:29 < skorket> you might look into building your own as well 09:32 < skorket> also, from the sparkfun comments, I found this: http://www.wantmotor.com/ProductsView.asp?id=157&pid=75&sid=80 09:33 < skorket> I talked to one of their representatives and they gave me a quote of $95 for 10 plus $45 for shipping 09:34 < skorket> in case you have a need to to buy them right now without waiting for sparkfun to restock 09:37 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:43 < nmz787> $95 each for quantity 10? 09:43 < skorket> 9.50 each plus 4.50 (each) s+h 09:44 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:51 < nmz787> wow 09:51 < nmz787> really cheap 09:52 < nmz787> this is the only stepper i know of that has high current and microstepping that I know of 09:52 < nmz787> http://www.allmotion.com/EZHR23ENHCDescription.htm 09:54 < nmz787> there are some allegro parts, but they don't look like they're totally ready to use 09:55 < nmz787> requires external MOSFETs http://www.allegromicro.com/en/Products/Motor-Driver-And-Interface-ICs/Bipolar-Stepper-Motor-Drivers/A4989.aspx 09:56 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:59 < skorket> what value in the datasheet determines that the a4989 is fast enough and the a4988 isn't? 10:00 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:02 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:06 <@kanzure> fenn_: http://gundam-vs.jp/ 12:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 12:42 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:48 -!- obscurite_ [~obscurite@pool-72-89-118-121.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.174.19] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:18 < nmz787> kanzure: how do I grep all the chat logs for last 2 months? 13:18 < TheEmpath> grep "butts" | more 13:19 < TheEmpath> less? oh god i dunno T____T 13:19 < chris_99> less is more 13:19 < chris_99> ;) 13:19 <@kanzure> nmz787: grep "foo" 2012-07* 13:20 < nmz787> so i have to download them all? 13:20 <@kanzure> no you can do this on gnusha 13:20 < nmz787> ok 13:20 <@kanzure> cd ~gnusha/public_html/logs/ 13:20 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:20 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 < Mokbortolan_> wb ThomasEgi 13:22 < ThomasEgi> thx 13:23 -!- obscurite_ [~obscurite@pool-72-89-118-121.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Cya] 13:27 < ParahSailin> curl http://betterthangrep.com/ack-standalone > ~/bin/ack && chmod 0755 !#:3 && ack "foo" glob 13:32 < Juul> hrm, i just got three password reset emails from twitter 13:32 < Juul> something is afoot! 13:33 < Mariu> you have a security breach aboard your ship :o 13:34 < TheEmpath> look! more hidden footprints! 13:36 < Juul> this is the second time someone has attempted this, i don't know why my account is so interesting 13:37 < nmz787> http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/3/513.full 13:37 < nmz787> whoops 13:37 < nmz787> http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2012/08/14/triclosan-antibacterial-uc-davis-study.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search 13:37 < nmz787> Study: Chemical used in hand sanitizer hinders musclesSacramento Business Journal by Kathy Robertson, Senior Staff WriterDate: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 6:47am PDT 13:40 < nmz787> https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/feasibility-side-channel-attacks-brain-computer-interfaces 13:40 < nmz787> On the Feasibility of Side-Channel Attacks with Brain-Computer InterfacesConference: USENIX Security '12 13:49 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.174.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:50 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 < AdrianG> interesting 13:54 <@kanzure> nmz787: http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=skosuri 13:57 <@kanzure> nmz787: here's the supplement http://db.tt/elIqsy72 14:01 < TheEmpath> heyo 10-40% successrate in using EEGs to extract numeric information from your brain http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134682-hackers-backdoor-the-human-brain-successfully-extract-sensitive-data 14:01 < TheEmpath> sorry, data in general.. not just numbers 14:03 <@kanzure> can you just link to the paper instead 14:03 <@kanzure> extremetech.com sounds like a spamblog 14:03 < TheEmpath> heh 14:03 < TheEmpath> lemme dig 14:04 <@kanzure> juul: wasn't me 14:04 < TheEmpath> https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity12/sec12-final56.pdf 14:04 < TheEmpath> On the Feasibility of Side-Channel Attacks with Brain-Computer Interfaces 14:05 <@kanzure> i coulda sworn nmz787 just linked to that 14:05 < TheEmpath> :O 14:05 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08 <@kanzure> got a call from glasgow.. 447563051410.. i directed him to brian degger in newcastle 14:08 <@kanzure> i don't remember what's near glasgow 14:23 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 -!- Haruspex [~Shehrazad@88.243.141.196] has quit [Changing host] 14:38 -!- Haruspex [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 -!- Haruspex is now known as Shehrazad 14:40 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m90-129-27-111.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:43 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:44 < Steel2> hey kanzure, I got something for you that I won't say often 14:45 <@kanzure> stop stalking girls in neuroscience departments 14:45 < Steel2> I was wrong and you were right. I should have quit higher ed long ago 14:46 < TheEmpath> its only gay when you're married 14:46 <@kanzure> the outside world is moderately less abusive 14:46 < TheEmpath> oh 14:46 < TheEmpath> oops 14:48 < brownies> Steel2: whoa. why? 14:48 < Steel2> my advisors are crazy assholes who are more insulting than kanzure on a tear :V 14:49 < chris_99> whatcha studying Steel2? 14:49 < ParahSailin> its good to drop out of grad school 14:50 <@kanzure> maybe there should be a grad school half-way house 14:51 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:51 <@kanzure> a place for students to stay while they getre-adjusted to life 14:51 <@kanzure> *get re-adjusted 15:02 -!- GANAESH [5adcdd26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.220.221.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:04 < brownies> kanzure is mostly harmless and bitter 15:04 < brownies> Steel2: well, my sympathies/congratulations 15:04 <@kanzure> bitter? 15:05 < Steel2> chris_99: nanoprinting/manufacturing 15:05 < Steel2> I'm going to see if I can take a consolation M. Eng 15:05 < chris_99> ah you're doing a PhD? 15:06 < brownies> kanzure: that's the 1 of the 2 you chose to question? good to know ;) 15:06 <@kanzure> brownies: it is better that you think i am harmless because then it's easy to surprise you 15:06 < Steel2> chris_99 I was doing MS 15:06 < brownies> hah. 15:06 < chris_99> MS=Masters? 15:07 < Steel2> yeah 15:07 < Steel2> masters of engineering is non-research based 15:07 < Steel2> so I'd basically be saying 'fuck it' about my thesis 15:07 < GANAESH> hi 15:07 < Steel2> hi 15:08 < GANAESH> hi guys 15:08 < GANAESH> Is this some kind of sophisticated chat system? 15:09 < ParahSailin> nah, irc is cold war era technology 15:09 < GANAESH> ???? 15:09 < strangewarp> Oh, you're using the web applet 15:10 < strangewarp> That's merely a portal to IRC, which is best accessed via standalone programs 15:11 < ParahSailin> there are small demons in your machine that enable you to talk to other people 15:11 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.166.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:11 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@74-95-191-59-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: minimoose] 15:17 < GANAESH> Hi guys....have used many commercial kits for dna purifications and extractions...am seeking platforms where I can learn the art of developing my own home grown organic kits 15:17 < GANAESH> advice/suggestions/directions? 15:18 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq can help 15:18 < GANAESH> even cloning ......though may looks far-fetched 15:19 < GANAESH> I am fan of Robin cook 15:19 < GANAESH> any new outcome? 15:19 < GANAESH> thanks kanzure 15:20 <@kanzure> there is also http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/projects and http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/methods and http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/equipment 15:26 < GANAESH> Thanks buddy 15:27 < GANAESH> I am going thru the links u hv provided 15:45 -!- nuba_ is now known as nuba 15:49 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@38.20.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 -!- augur [~augur@pool-71-241-228-185.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m90-129-27-111.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:11 -!- GANAESH [5adcdd26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.220.221.38] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:18 -!- thesnark [~snark@unaffiliated/thesnark] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 <@kanzure> i wonder if there's a vulnerability in ojs 16:37 -!- AdrienG_ [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:37 -!- AdrianG [~ircname@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:37 -!- AdrienG_ is now known as AdrianG 16:57 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00 -!- qnm [~qnm@2001:44b8:3110:f300:208:9bff:fec0:179a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:23 < delinquentme> anyone happen to know the WEIGHT of a 3.5" HD 17:23 < delinquentme> just a rounded number 17:28 < Juul> 0.75 kg 17:30 < jrayhawk> there's a lot of variance due to number of platters 17:32 < Juul> still, probably between 600 and 800 grams 17:36 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:37 < delinquentme> 625g 17:37 < delinquentme> yeah 17:40 < chris_99> are you seeing if it gets heavier with more data on ;) 17:41 <@kanzure> nmz787: what about a koh-etched needle thing? did we consider that ever? 17:46 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.166.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56 < delinquentme> chris_99, haha nah ! wasnt there tons of stuff about that a few months back? 18:00 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:03 < chris_99> might have been, i always found that idea quite amusing though 18:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:12 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:13 -!- minimoose [~minimoose@pool-98-114-46-42.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:20 < tashoutang> morning 18:23 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:23 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:27 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.166.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.166.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:52 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05 -!- rafael [~dnm@201-51-221-200.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:05 -!- rafael [~dnm@201-51-221-200.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 19:05 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:09 -!- rmcl [~rmcl@rrcs-108-178-168-32.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rmcl] 19:16 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:40 < delinquentme> anyone in here have any robotics work sourced to india =D ? 19:41 < AdrianG> nop 19:41 < AdrianG> what r u trying to outsource 19:42 < delinquentme> Looking at these crazy controllers people make to control steppers and shit 19:42 < delinquentme> IDK 19:42 < delinquentme> it seems that the industry is really into building big bulky shit 19:45 < delinquentme> theres no good abstraction for stepper motors 19:45 < delinquentme> AccelStepper is Schmeh. 19:58 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59 -!- rafael [~dnm@pdpc/supporter/active/calango] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:06 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:14 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Client Quit] 20:16 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 20:24 < alusion> Good evening JayDugger. 20:24 <@kanzure> does anyone have a copy of shellcoder's handbook? 20:25 < tashoutang> GE avery one 20:30 < Steel2> sup 20:49 < brownies> kanzure: http://about.jstor.org/rr 20:49 < brownies> kanzure: ^ highly relevant to your interests 20:51 <@kanzure> "When you find an article that’s part of Register & Read, click on the “Get Access” option." 20:51 <@kanzure> ok, so how many articles is that 20:51 < brownies> hm, yeah, maybe not 20:51 <@kanzure> "Register & Read includes approximately 75 journals from more than 40 publishers, a subset of the content in JSTOR." 20:51 < brownies> word on the street is that the subset of journals they've opened up is especially shitty 20:51 <@kanzure> oh at least they put it in a god damn list http://about.jstor.org/sites/default/files/jstor-register-read-titles-2012-06.xls 20:52 < brownies> i just had a crazy idea 20:53 < brownies> what if we got like 10,000 nerds together... everyone puts in $5 ... and we just buy a subscription to all the journals? 20:54 <@kanzure> brownies: because that will buy approximately 1 journal subscription 20:54 < brownies> kanzure: hm. well, shit. 20:54 <@kanzure> and the chances that everyone wants to read from that 1 journal... is pretty low 20:55 <@kanzure> ok the spam account for that myjstor is jfksdalfasdjfas@mailinator.com / jfksdalfasdjfas 20:57 <@kanzure> http://www.jstor.org/stable/25076320 20:57 <@kanzure> so how do i know if this is the 'register and read' bullshit? 20:57 < ParahSailin_> brownies, its the principle of not paying 20:58 <@kanzure> why the hell isn't there a "type in a url to a .xls file and get back a web view" service 20:58 <@kanzure> who the hell wants to download .xls? 20:58 <@kanzure> i hate this planet 20:58 < brownies> to an Excel file? 20:59 < brownies> oh, lol @ that 21:01 <@kanzure> ok so it says that 'Modern Law Review' should be accessible 21:01 <@kanzure> http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/41415403?uid=3739920&uid=4574702707&uid=2134&uid=4574702697&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3&uid=3739256&uid=60&sid=21101153260047 21:01 <@kanzure> this says "Preview or purchase options are not available" 21:01 <@kanzure> "ou may be able to access this item through one of the over 9,000 institutions that subscribe to JSTOR." 21:02 <@kanzure> oh but this one does: 21:02 <@kanzure> http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1089336?uid=3739920&uid=4574702707&uid=2134&uid=4574702697&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3&uid=3739256&uid=60&sid=21101153260047 21:02 <@kanzure> http://www.jstor.org/action/showShelf?candidate=10.2307/1089336 21:03 <@kanzure> it seems to submit a form by doi value.. i wonder if they will allow any doi value to be entered? are they doing validation? 21:05 <@kanzure> "Item can be removed from shelf in 13 days." wtf fuck them. why wouldn't i just open a million accounts to get around this? 21:24 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24 -!- klafka1 [~textual@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:47 -!- blumental_profit [~Kvltist@p5B33F042.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:58 -!- Steel2 [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:18 < skorket> how's everybody doing? 23:22 < tashoutang> fine 23:27 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@c-67-172-180-147.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:29 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@c-67-166-146-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:37 -!- nathaniel [~nathaniel@reddit/operator/nathaniel] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:51 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52 <@kanzure> beep boop 23:53 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:55 -!- hkcmd [kvirc@117.221.180.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Aug 18 00:00:53 2012