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00:10 < delinquentme> http://www.taskrabbit.com/virtual/t/type-60-pages-of-text-into-msword
00:12 <@kanzure> for $64?
00:12 <@kanzure> let's say 600 words per page.. so maybe 36000 words or 4 hours of constant typing
00:26 < brownies> kanzure: did you look at the other accounts on lvl 3 btw? the P=NP proof and the perpetual motion machine...
00:27 <@kanzure> i looked at them, but only very briefly.. i was sort of in a rush
00:28 < brownies> hah
00:28 < brownies> it's not a race... everyone gets a t-shirt!
00:28 <@kanzure> if it's not a race then why are they timing you
00:29 <@kanzure> and why are they sorting the leaderboard by who finishes the quickest
00:29 < brownies> the people who finish the first prove they had nothing better to do than this, so they dropped everything else and worked exclusively on this
00:30 < brownies> think about what message that sends -_-
00:30 <@kanzure> it sends the message "hey this only took an hour, your root password is jkdflasdjfkasd"
00:31 < brownies> no one's finished yet
00:31 < brownies> so at this point the excuse of "i did it all during my lunch break" is pretty much invalid
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00:34 <@kanzure> i was disappointed that their file_get_contents didn't work with php:// or http://
00:35 < brownies> heh, did you try to read arbitrary files off their server?
00:36 <@kanzure> i uploaded a few php shells but didn't get anywhere
00:36 <@kanzure> next up is <? system($_GET["cmd"]); ?>
00:36 < brownies> file_get_contents("/etc/passwd")
00:37 <@kanzure> no way they have the web server operating with permissions to read that
00:38 < delinquentme> kanzure, is that not a solid OCR task?
00:38 <@kanzure> ocr sucks
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06:10 < nmz787> does ion torrent use a single molecule of template DNA, or a few/many?
06:11 < nmz787> (in each reaction/sensing center)
06:12 < nmz787> ahh. "The oblong design of the microchip contains millions of wells occupied by beads containing amplified copies of a single DNA strand. "..... from http://atp.ncifcrf.gov/genetics-and-genomics/laboratory-of-molecular-technology/lmt-technology-development/ion-torrent/
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07:13 < nmz787> anyone know how helicos bio can see fluorescense from single DNA molecules?
07:13 < nmz787> long exposure times??
07:48 < nmz787> so Helicos is about 1 DNA molecule per sq micron on the hybridization surface
07:50 < nmz787> http://www.helicosbio.com/Portals/0/Videos/tSMS-How_It_Works.flv
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09:00 <@kanzure> nmz787: btw, the way halcyon was doing it was stretching a dna molecule through the miniscus of a water droplet
09:02 < nmz787> yeah
09:02 < nmz787> but not really
09:02 < nmz787> they were using an electron microscope to sense
09:02 < nmz787> I don't care if the DNA is stretched or not
09:03 < ParahSailin> ah they were using a water droplet?
09:03 < ParahSailin> how's that work in a vacuum?
09:05 < nmz787> i don't think it was in a vacuum
09:05 < nmz787> basically they had DNA at the end of a plate, and flowed water over it, to stretch it out
09:05 < nmz787> then they probably dried it and put it under the eScope
09:05 < ParahSailin> oh
09:06 <@kanzure> yes but their first step was stretching without an escope
09:08 < audy> There's a new vending machine in my building that sells platinum taq
09:10 < nmz787> right but stretching doesn't detect
09:10 < nmz787> just preparation
09:11 < nmz787> any recommendations on a course for learning CS, a friend is interested
09:11 < nmz787> i told him this looks better because they use python
09:11 < nmz787> https://www.edx.org/courses/MITx/6.00x/2012_Fall/about
09:11 < nmz787> vs this https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/CS50x/2012/about
09:11 < nmz787> which " Languages include C, PHP, and JavaScript plus SQL, CSS, and HTML"
09:12 < ParahSailin> khan academy just came out with a new one
09:12 < ParahSailin> i couldnt tell how educational it actually is
09:14 <@kanzure> avoid coursera, udacity or codecademy.. they are all terrible and teach you nothing
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09:15 < nmz787> hmm
09:15 < nmz787> i signed up for drugs and the brain on coursera
09:15 < nmz787> to start in Nov
09:15 < nmz787> maybe it would be entertaining
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09:28 <@kanzure> nmz7872: i am primarily referring to their python offerings
09:38 <@kanzure> 'Unless you're NASA's resident astronaut/Call of Cthulhu Keeper. I wonder if, of all the things that humans have done in space, anyone has run a roleplaying game up there yet. Of course, being alone in the (k)inky blackness, more isolated from the rest of humanity than it's possible to be anywhere else, where the stars are *always* right, what better game to run? '
09:43 <@kanzure> where did the_merlin go?
09:43 <@kanzure> loanshark?
09:43 <@kanzure> tellurium?
09:43 <@kanzure> falfe?
09:43 <@kanzure> theempath? we are loosing people
09:43 <@kanzure> jk4930.. bleh
09:43 <@kanzure> *losing
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09:45 <@kanzure> ok that's better.
09:45 <@kanzure> also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt-iVFxgFWk QuakeCon 2012 - John Carmack Keynote
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10:01 < nmz7872> kanzure:  who's he?
10:01 < nmz7872> oh, ID cofounder
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10:04 <@kanzure> nmz7872: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmack
10:04 <@kanzure> id software and armadillo aerospace
10:05 < ThomasEgi> nmz7872, did you just ask who john carmack is?
10:05 <@kanzure> hahah
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10:06 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: where is his blog thing?
10:06 <@kanzure> i mean his developer's journal thing
10:08 < nmz7872> yes
10:08 < nmz7872> I haven't played a game in a long time
10:09 < ThomasEgi> still... i am surprised there are people who don't know his name.
10:09 < nmz7872> the last game I was sunk a lot of time into was the PC version of Final Fantasy 7, about 6.5 years ago
10:09 <@kanzure> quake engine has been used by everyone since ever
10:09 <@kanzure> his code is reused everywhere
10:09 < nmz7872> before that it was Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
10:09 < nmz7872> which i think used that engine
10:09 < ThomasEgi> and if you are not into 3d stuff, then you shuold know about commander keen
10:09 < nmz7872> buuuuttt, yeah, not a gamer
10:10 < nmz7872> yeah played that when i was a kid
10:10 < nmz7872> off shareware disks
10:12 <@kanzure> well, then you should know him for armadillo aerospace :P
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10:15 < jrayhawk> He used to have a finger server; there's probably an archive somewheres
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10:38 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: hi.
10:38 < yashgaroth> yo
10:53 < ParahSailin> his invsqrt trick is on all kinds of FPUs these days
10:54 < nmz7872> hmmm, "In microfluidic devices, the MHD pump is so far the most effective for producing a continuous, nonpulsating flow in a complex microchannel design. It was used to implement a PCRprotocol.[citation needed]"
10:54 < nmz7872> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics#Engineering
10:55 < nmz7872> too bad there's no citation :(
10:55 <@kanzure> i'm pretty sure Stee|| is our resident magnetohydrodynamics expert
10:55 <@kanzure> he was working on magnetohydrodynamic microjet things
11:01 < nmz7872> magneto or electro?
11:02 <@kanzure> i recall magneto, but i've been known to be wrong :)
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11:14 < nmz7872> Magneto-Hydrodynamics Based Microfluidics http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2768299/
11:14 < nmz7872> authors from Old Dominion Univ, and uPenn
11:14 < nmz7872> is Stee|| from uPenn?
11:15 < nmz7872> bbll
11:16  * nmz7872 walks to a pizza shop for a HUGE New York slice
11:16 <@kanzure> http://rogers.matse.illinois.edu/files/2010/jmmejet.pdf
11:16 <@kanzure> http://rogers.matse.illinois.edu/files/2010/ejetmech.pdf
11:16 <@kanzure> electrohydrodynamic jets. damn.
11:17 <@kanzure> well anyway, that's the work Stee|| focused on
11:17 < nmz7872> booyah!
11:18 <@kanzure> damn. sorry about that.
11:19 < ThomasEgi> neat dot-making system.. first thing that comes to my mind... printing money^
11:19 <@kanzure> nmz7872: anyway, he's at RPI
11:21 < chris_99> is there a specific type of microscope which has a light which shines down on a subject rather than behind it
11:22 <@kanzure> laser scopes
11:22 < chris_99> (not that i couldn't just shine a light on top)
11:22 < chris_99> laser scope?
11:23 < chris_99> can't seem to find any info on them
11:23 < ThomasEgi> hm. there are dark-imaging microscopes. but they are based on shine-through from the bottom too.
11:23 <@kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20080517005725/http://heybryan.org/instrumentation/instru.html
11:25 < archels> The objective of this study was to determine if variations in breast meat color would affect the dielectric properties of marinated poultry meat over a broad frequency range from 500 MHz to 50 GHz.
11:25 < archels> fuck yeah, science.
11:25 < chris_99> haha
11:25 < ThomasEgi> lol
11:30 <@kanzure> http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2010/12/lab_politics.html
11:30 <@kanzure> so this is an article about not enough republicans in science
11:30 <@kanzure> this is just more proof that the NRA should support a gene gun project
11:35 < chris_99> anyone an image recognition guru here?
11:35 <@kanzure> i'm not an image recognition guru but i know how to recommend opencv :p
11:36 < chris_99> ah heh, yeah i don't want to use opencv
11:36 <@kanzure> how about simplecv
11:36 < chris_99> hmm, i need to write the algorithm in java
11:36 < chris_99> (for android)
11:37 <@kanzure> you can compile opencv to android
11:37 < brownies> what are you trying ot do?
11:37 < chris_99> recognise rectangles at any orientation
11:37 < chris_99> which seems harder than you'd think it'd be
11:37 < brownies> yea that's... non-trivial
11:38 < brownies> why don't you look into edge detection and marker detection
11:38 < chris_99> yeah i've looked at edge detection before, i'll investigate marker detection, ta
11:38 < brownies> it gets slightly easier if you have control over the rectangle in some way... you can guarantee it's a certain shape, or it has some distinguishing feature
11:38 < brownies> s/slightly//
11:41 < chris_99> hmm, if i run a corner detection alg, that could help a lot
11:47 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, hough transforms may help you , altho it is very comuptation intense
11:47 < chris_99> thanks, yeah that's a problem i'm already facing heh
11:48 < chris_99> as it's gonna run on a phone it's got to be faste
11:48 < chris_99> *fast
11:48 < ThomasEgi> hm.. do you have access to a hardware fft ?
11:48 < chris_99> i doubt it, it's just Android
11:49 < nmz7872> chris_99: re microscopes... light-field, dark-field
11:49 < nmz7872> chris_99: I've compiled opencv on android before
11:49 < chris_99> cheers nmz7872
11:49 < nmz7872> and done some object recognition in opencv
11:49 < chris_99> cool, did it work well?
11:49 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, are there any stable conditions for the input? or can it be like... under all angles and all lighting conditions?
11:49 < nmz7872> yeah
11:50 < chris_99> i may check that out, although i want it to available on an un-jail broken phone if thats possible?
11:50 < nmz7872> chris_99: i used this tutorial http://opencv.itseez.com/doc/tutorials/introduction/android_binary_package/android_binary_package.html
11:50 < chris_99> it needs to work under all angles ThomasEgi
11:50 < nmz7872> is it 3D or 2D images?
11:51 < chris_99> well it's going to be using photos taken with the camera, but the rectangle can be in any orientation
11:51 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, how bout the rest of your image? white background? or can it be totaly anything, is there a garuenteed contrast for the rectangle?
11:51 < nmz7872> what i mean is, are the rectangles always going to be parallelograms in the image, or will the sides be skewed and not parallel
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11:52 < nmz7872> because a crude way is to do edge detection in a few directions, then search for parallel edges
11:52 < chris_99> the background could be anything.  Oh the sides would always be parallel in 3d space
11:52 < nmz7872> and see if any pairs have common end points
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11:53 < nmz7872> chris_99: have you seen this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/279410/opencv-object-detection-center-point
11:54 < chris_99> no that looks very helpful though
11:54 < nmz7872> https://code.ros.org/trac/opencv/browser/trunk/opencv/samples/cpp/squares.cpp?rev=4079
11:54 < ThomasEgi> artoolkit also comes with a square-detector
11:54 < chris_99> ooh that's wicked, it shouldn't be too hard to port that to java
11:54 < nmz7872> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10533233/opencv-c-obj-c-advanced-square-detection
11:55 < chris_99> funky
11:55 < chris_99> so with these opencv binary packages, do you need to have jailbroken your phone
11:57 < nmz7872> chris_99: http://mcclanahoochie.com/blog/portfolio/computer-vision-on-android-opencv/
11:57 < nmz7872> i don't think so, you probably just need to go to Settings, Applications, and enable "Unknown Sources'
11:58 <@kanzure> you can compile things for android without root, but you wont be compiling on android itself
11:58 <@kanzure> or, you probably can't compile without root
11:58 <@kanzure> it would make it difficult to install things easily :)
11:58 < chris_99> hmm, yeah i wanted the app to be in the marketplace, i'll see if they let you put binary stuff in your app
11:59 <@kanzure> yes you can
11:59 < nmz7872> well I just found out CTRL-L in pidgin clears the screen
12:00 < nmz7872> :P
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12:00 <@kanzure> yep
12:00 < nmz787> https://code.google.com/p/viewercv/source/browse/#git%2Fandroid-opencv
12:00 < nmz787> that was from the last link i sent
12:01 < nmz787> chris_99: http://www.cis.rit.edu/class/simg782/lectures/lecture_09/lec782_05_09.pdf
12:02 < nmz787> hough transforms can get memory intensive, but that shouldn't be an issue if you're using a ~2 year old phone
12:02 < chris_99> yeah that does look memory intensive, in the VM i've already been having a lot of memory issues
12:03 < chris_99> *cpu
12:03 < chris_99> so it's memory intensive too?
12:03 <@kanzure> which vm do you use for android?
12:03 < nmz787> well its a tradeoff if I remember, shouldn't be too CPU intensive
12:04 < chris_99> ok interesting,    er, just the standard one kanzure
12:04 < nmz787> if you have matlab http://www.cs.rit.edu/~eab3572/vision/hlines.m
12:04 <@kanzure> if you are using one of the more recent android emulators then you should try passing -kvm to the emulator
12:04 <@kanzure> android-x86 running under kvm is insanely fast for me
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12:04 < chris_99> oh sweet, i didn't know that
12:04 < nmz787> android-x86 under virtualbox in windows 7 on a core I7 is not insanely fast for me
12:05 < nmz787> "Installing Windows 7 with IDE drivers require about 12 hours (qemu-kvm 0.12.5)"
12:05 < nmz787> wtf
12:06 < chris_99> what the hell
12:06 <@kanzure> i don't recommend windows 7 or virtualbox
12:06 <@kanzure> i am also on an i7
12:07 < nmz787> i'm not sure why my VMs are slow
12:07 < nmz787> is there something better than virtualbox for windows platform?
12:07 < chris_99> i use virtualbox for win7 in linux and it works fine
12:07 < chris_99> nmz787, are virtualisation extensions enabled?
12:07 < nmz787> in bios? should be
12:07 < chris_99> yeah in bios
12:07 < chris_99> double check that
12:07 < nmz787> i also have the package installed in the VM
12:08 <@kanzure> by "insanely fast" i mean "boots in 10 seconds", which you might consider slow
12:08 < nmz787> oh
12:08 < nmz787> i meant there was lag when i click, etc
12:08 <@kanzure> there really shouldn't be
12:09 <@kanzure> the android sdk provides a qemu/kvm emulator
12:09 <@kanzure> http://androidcommunity.com/android-sdk-tool-updated-with-native-x86-emulator-support-20120321/
12:09 < nmz787> i also don't get a cursor for android-x86
12:09 <@kanzure> haha according to this article it's only avaialble on windows (wroong)
12:09 <@kanzure> well i suggest not using virtualbox, because i can't help you heh
12:10 < nmz787> i guess there's not much lag
12:10 < nmz787> you dont have something to suggest using tho
12:10 <@kanzure> the default android thing
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12:11 <@kanzure> http://developer.android.com/tools/devices/emulator.html
12:11 <@kanzure> scroll to "Configuring VM Acceleration on Windows"
12:11 <@kanzure> "Start the Android SDK Manager, select Extras and then select Intel Hardware Accelerated Execution Manager"
12:13 < nmz787> gah, I swear i've seen a single-pixel camera utilizing a single analog MEMS mirror and a PMT detector
12:13 < nmz787> but when i search single-pixel camera I'm only finding crap about Compressed Sensing like this http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/sprp592/sprp592.pdf
12:13 < nmz787> blargh
12:14 < nmz787> how do I grep inside PDFs?
12:14 < nmz787> i know I saved what I'm remembering somewhere
12:14 <@kanzure> strings sprp592.pdf
12:14 <@kanzure> or you can use pdftotext
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12:15 <@kanzure> pip install pdfminer will give you pdf2txt.py
12:15 < nmz787> or is there a way to avoid results in google?
12:15 < nmz787> can i blacklist results containing "compressed sensing"?
12:15 <@kanzure> -"compressed sensing" but google sometimes ignores the "-" operator
12:16 <@kanzure> sudo apt-get install poppler-utils will provide you with pdftotext
12:16 <@kanzure> oh if you mean search inside pdfs with google.. add "filetype:pdf" to your query
12:16 < nmz787> no
12:16 < nmz787> i meant search inside my PDF folder
12:17 < nmz787> incase i didn't label the filename with "single-pixel" or something
12:17 <@kanzure> find /path -name '*.pdf' -exec pdftotext {} - \; | grep "your query"
12:17 < nmz787> that -"" command on google really made it think
12:17 < nmz787> took a while to return results
12:17 <@kanzure> pdfgrep is another thing
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12:52 <@kanzure> nmz787: so i'm looking at that email you forwarded.. they have some weird things on their server
12:53 <@kanzure> http://image.appliedbiosystemsemail.com/lib/fec6157273600c79/m/1/EU7443_PL_150.pdf
12:53 <@kanzure> "Order now to receive your free Luxury Easter Basket"
12:53 <@kanzure> .. what?
12:54 <@kanzure> "basket with and elegantly gift"
12:54 <@kanzure> http://image.appliedbiosystemsemail.com/lib/fec6157273600c79/m/1/EU7443_ts_cs.html
12:58 < nmz787> 4000 zi?
12:58 < nmz787> what currency is that?
12:58 < nmz787> oh, some euro country
12:58 < chris_99> isn't it a bit late for easter baskets
12:59 < brownies> or a bit early
13:00 < chris_99> they should be sending christmas hampers
13:04 < chris_99> http://stirstarters.com/instructions.html
13:04 < chris_99> very simple stir plate schematic for a speed controller
13:29 <@kanzure> so i'm looking at the applied biosystems 5500 series genetic analyzer software
13:29 <@kanzure> there's a kernel module MMCB_TeknicDrive_2557.mod that it provides
13:29 <@kanzure> "Teknic Servo Driver Update Module"
13:29 < nmz787> ok
13:30 < nmz787> the SOLiD system?
13:31 <@kanzure> yeah
13:31 < nmz787> where did you find the changelog?
13:31 <@kanzure> the email address 'tor@slett.net' is thrown around a lot
13:31 < nmz787> or the software?
13:31 <@kanzure> nmz787: i downloaded a giant binary from their site
13:32 < nmz787> oh
13:32 <@kanzure> http://www.appliedbiosystems.com/absite/us/en/home/support/software/dna-sequencing/5500-Series-Genetic-Analyzers.html
13:32 <@kanzure> http://downloads.lifetechnologies.com/Instrument_Software/GS/5500/ICS-V1.2/5500-ICS.bin
13:33 <@kanzure> "Python wrapper functions for dc1394 firewire camera library"
13:33 <@kanzure> "ronald.bolts@lifetech.com"
13:35 < nmz787> "These guys are great if you ever need fittings, filters or the like." http://www.industrialspec.com/index.html
13:36 <@kanzure> hey wait these are pretty cool
13:36 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lifetech/5500/instrument-server-methods/fluidicsarm.mod.txt
13:36 < nmz787> from a retired fluidics guy I know
13:36 <@kanzure> SET rinseVolume $[ ${rate} * max(0, $duration$) ]
13:36 <@kanzure> ALIas TipCalibrationCheck :FLUidics:CalCheck1
13:37 < nmz787> what lang is that?
13:37 <@kanzure> no clue
13:37 < nmz787> :O
13:38 <@kanzure> it looks terrible tho
13:38 < nmz787> now find something like that for helicos
13:38 <@kanzure> why is </quote> spread out all over thep lace
13:38 <@kanzure> this is possibly labview?
13:39 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lifetech/5500/instrument-server-methods/example.mod.txt "PREMIX LIGASE BEGIN"
13:39 < nmz787> i hate google sometimes
13:39 < nmz787> this doesnt search "</quote>" "</if>"
13:39 <@kanzure> yeah they really hate special characters these days
13:40 <@kanzure> unfortunately i don't know any search engine that doesn't hate programmers
13:41 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, face it, programmers are just no use for search engines, they hardly click on advertisement nor are they interested in buing rolex or viagra.
13:41 < ThomasEgi> they simply generate no revenue
13:43 < brownies> i click on ads occasionally
13:44 < brownies> i also click on ads if i especially hate the company and want them to suffer... $0.0003 cents at a time
13:44 < nmz787> i click ads when they are science related
13:44 < nmz787> lol
13:46 <@kanzure> i admit to clicking on an ad once.. it was a $20,000 afm scope
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13:54 < nmz787> kanzure: what is this page ? http://dblp.l3s.de/d2r/page/publications/conf/tpcg/BauerL11
13:54 < nmz787> trying to get this http://diglib.eg.org/EG/DL/LocalChapterEvents/TPCG/TPCG11/067-068.pdf.abstract.pdf;internal&action=action.digitallibrary.ShowPaperAbstract
13:55 <@kanzure> there's sometimes metadata stuff associated with documents
13:55 <@kanzure> this is probably rdf or sparql related
13:55 <@kanzure> or owl
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14:06 < nmz787> is libgen.info down?
14:07 <@kanzure> i don't seem to be able to bring it up over http
14:07 < nmz787> is there an alternative
14:07 < nmz787> searching for
14:07 < nmz787> that paper
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14:10 <@kanzure> http://bib.tiera.ru/static/
14:10 <@kanzure> i guess that's not the same
14:11 <@kanzure> this is possibly a libgen mirror: http://en.bookfi.org/
14:11 <@kanzure> no, nevermind
14:11 <@kanzure> here you go.. http://libgen.org/
14:13 <@kanzure> cool, google indexes ftp:// now
14:14 < Sanky_> does it index gopher:// yet
14:14 <@kanzure> http://libgen.net/ also works
14:15 <@kanzure> "mindless requests are considered as an attack, and cause a temporary ip ban"
14:16 < nmz787> libgen.org redirect to google books
14:16 <@kanzure> not for me..
14:17 <@kanzure> heh they have marcus' book "biopunk" http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=2c599b98ffa02561053de20905efa3ac
14:17 <@kanzure> http://libgen.org/get?nametype=orig&md5=2c599b98ffa02561053de20905efa3ac
14:21 <@kanzure> wtf wget doesn't support http 206 (partial content) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=607870
14:21 <@kanzure> or er.. i mean http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335777
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14:47 < nmz787> http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/i/emacs_learning_curves.png
14:52 < chris_99> haha
14:55 < ThomasEgi> great one
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15:06 < nmz787> kanzure: so Teknic (the motor that ABI uses I guess) are made in Rochester NY
15:06 < nmz787> http://www.teknic.com/about/
15:07 < nmz787> I'm going to call them tomorrow, maybe as an RIT student they'll give me some free advice on building this CNC
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15:12 < nmz787> kanzure: why don't i see the teknic motor patch in this dir http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lifetech/5500/
15:12 < nmz787> ?
15:15 <@kanzure> because it was somewhere else
15:15 <@kanzure> one moment..
15:15 < nmz787> how did you extract those from the .bin
15:16 <@kanzure> rpm2cpio magnum-scripts-1.0-25.noarch.rpm | cpio -vid
15:16 <@kanzure> awk '/^__ARCHIVE_BELOW__/ {print NR + 1; exit 0; }' 5500-ICS.bin
15:17 <@kanzure> tail -n+22 5500-ICS.bin | tar xzv -C blah/
15:17 <@kanzure> (22 was the result of the awk line)
15:17 < brownies> kanzure: what level are you on btw?
15:17 < nmz787> so its not a binary executable?
15:17 <@kanzure> brownies: 5 (but not looking.. if that counts)
15:17 <@kanzure> nmz787: it is executable, but i didn't want to execute it
15:17 < brownies> kanzure: yeah, just curious.
15:18 < nmz787> but if its an executable, how is it also an RPM?
15:18 <@kanzure> it's a bash script
15:18 <@kanzure> with a .tar section attached
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15:18 <@kanzure> so it pipes all the .tar crap into tar to untar itself
15:18 <@kanzure> then it runs install.sh which was extracted from the tar
15:19 <@kanzure> honestly it seems sort of stupid.. if they are willing to use rpm for the magnus instrument server then why not just bundle the whole thing as an rpm
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15:30 < chris_99> what kind of experiments can you conduct with a potentiostat?
15:31 < nmz7871> its been talked about before on diybio
15:31 < chris_99> ah, i'll have a look ta
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15:31 < nmz7871> i can't remember exactly
15:34 < chris_99> 'To give you a few examples of what it can do, the hardware can measure arsenic levels in water, Vitamin C concentration in orange juice'
15:34 < chris_99> sounds really intrigueing
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15:47 < hankx7787__> yo
15:50 < chris_99> hello
15:50 <@kanzure> hankx7787__: what brings you here?
15:51 < hankx7787__> just got linked here
15:51 < hankx7787__> this is my sort of place anyway.
15:51 <@kanzure> shoo back to lesswrong
15:51  * kanzure swats
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15:55 < chris_99> in make 31 theres a dude who built his own SEM
15:59 < chris_99> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zksVZCJajCI&feature=plcp
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16:06 <@kanzure> brownies: -_- level5's solution is lame
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16:39 <@kanzure> nmz787: "Hey Bryan, I've got the time and energy now to work on photocure polymer, if you're still interested. I've designed dental restoration photocure polymers before, and 3DP polymers shouldn't be too different."
16:39 <@kanzure> "My health has improved to the point where I can, and need to take on more work.  Let me know if there are any projects to which I could contribute."
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16:53 < brownies> kanzure: well... shush.
16:54 < brownies> all the solutions are "lame" in retrospect... that's by design
16:55 <@kanzure> i don't know
16:55 <@kanzure> on the one hand, i feel good that there's something that can stump me
16:55 <@kanzure> but on the other hand, these are all really simple so far
16:56 <@kanzure> i'd feel better if it was actually complicated, like "compile an alternative version of gcc and drop it on the server to introduce a bug in a small variant of a program, but not the test program"
17:27 < brownies> they're more puzzles than problems
17:29 < brownies> kanzure: although i did notice something interesting
17:30 < brownies> kanzure: apparently i solved the shit out of level 2, because it's showing i did it in -1 days https://stripe-ctf.com/progress/brownies
17:37 <@kanzure> nice!
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17:58 <@kanzure> hmm "Also, it is not as simple as you think, government code isn't always pd. If written by a contractor, the contractor/contracting organization can decide to not release code/work to the public."
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18:12 < brownies> source?
18:13 <@kanzure> brownies: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4425511
18:16 < brownies> interesting
18:17 <@kanzure> dunno how true it is
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18:29 <@kanzure> http://www.idontplaydarts.com/2012/04/taking-screenshots-using-xss-and-the-html5-canvas/
18:37 <@kanzure> "The term "clickjacking" was coined by Jeremiah Grossman and Robert Hansen in 2008"
18:37 <@kanzure> i'm pretty sure clickjacking was a thing long before 2008
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21:59 <@kanzure> nmz787: ping
22:00 < nmz787> yo
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