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00:38 < delinquentme> OS
00:38 < delinquentme> erm
00:38 < delinquentme> SO!
00:38 < delinquentme> the code for the orbital shaker works :D
00:39 < delinquentme> Now I get to do the fun part haha
00:39 < delinquentme> DESIGN !
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00:53 < foucist> delinquentme: whatcha working on
00:53 < delinquentme> http://pastie.org/4590228
00:54 < delinquentme> foucist, just finished up a part of what I hope will be running this OSH orbital shaker
00:54 < foucist> what are you going to shake?
00:57 < delinquentme> just building it
00:57 < delinquentme> so I can sell it :D
01:09 < nmz787> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGAv8taVJw&feature=plcp
01:09 < nmz787> BIG BOY 3W laser burning
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02:07 < nmz787> kanzure: ping
02:08 < nmz787> kanzure: what is the best of these formats to use, a lens company has their datasheets in these versions eDrawing IGES STEP Zemax
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03:11 < archels> IGES is a pretty universal standard
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03:47 < loanshark> hihi
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04:05 < loanshark> hey!
04:05 < loanshark> i have been finding some cool stuff on bioengineering… how about creating a bioengineering study guide?
04:06 < loanshark> if anyone would like to help that would be cool ^.^
04:08 < archels> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/
04:08 < archels> go for it!
04:08 < loanshark> :D
04:08 < loanshark> http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/biological-engineering/
04:09 < loanshark> that is awesome, it has all the subject titles and stuff and a few lecture notes and videos
04:09 < loanshark> :3
04:10 < Utopiah> loanshark: there is no Coursera or EdX equivalent?
04:10 < loanshark> o.o
04:11 < loanshark> idk what those are...
04:11  * loanshark has a GED xD
04:11 < EnLilaSko> Coursera is awesome
04:11 < loanshark> http://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology
04:11 < loanshark> the lectures from this site are the best in my book
04:12 < loanshark> very easy to understand, but then i am a very visual learner
04:12 < EnLilaSko> https://www.coursera.org/category/biology
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08:03 <@kanzure> nmz787: take iges and step
08:04 < loanshark> :3
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08:30 <@kanzure> 30 MB http://partsregistry.org/fasta/parts/All_Parts
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08:38 <@kanzure> whaat you have to be part of an igem team to be allowed to edit the partsregistry.org wiki
08:38 <@kanzure> streety: hi, welcome back
08:39 < streety> hi
08:39 < streety> it has been a while
08:41 <@kanzure> streety: what have you been up to?
08:44 < streety> mainly moving and working. Only really come on irc because I updated the server with znc and wanted to make sure everything was working
08:45 <@kanzure> eww terrible php http://cambridgeigem.org/genbank/index.phps
08:45 <@kanzure> //BELOW ARE DEFINED THE CONVERSIONS THAT THIS SCRIPT DOES, THE FIRST IS ANNOTATED
08:47 <@kanzure> "Warning: DOMDocument::load() [domdocument.load]: PCDATA invalid Char value 8 in http://partsregistry.org/cgi/xml/part.cgi?part=%08%08%08%08%08%08%08%08%08%08http://google.com/, line: 6 in /f5/cambridgeigem/public/genbank/index.php on line 11"
08:48 < streety> what is it supposed to do?
08:49 < streety> nevermind, found the form
09:08 < loanshark> i have the best intro video for DNA
09:08 < loanshark> http://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/v/dna
09:19 <@kanzure> http://partsregistry.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=signup&returnto=login
09:19 <@kanzure> "To be allowed to create accounts in partsregistry.org you have to log in and have the appropriate permissions."
09:20 < loanshark> lol
09:20 < loanshark> how do you order stuff from the parts registry?
09:20 < chris_99> you can't
09:20 < loanshark> awesome
09:20 < chris_99> unless you're in igem
09:20 < chris_99> afaik
09:21 < loanshark> ok
09:21 < chris_99> or you synthesize it yourself somewhere
09:21 < loanshark> :3
09:21 <@kanzure> you beg juul to steal some for you (he works with endy)
09:22 < loanshark> from what i understand about PCR's is that they are used to multiply DNA, not synthesize it.
09:22 < loanshark> you use a "DNA Printer" to synthesize :/
09:22 < loanshark> but i still know very little ^.^
09:22 <@kanzure> pcr still involves dna synthesis
09:22 <@kanzure> and sometimes even de novo dna synthesis when it breaks
09:23 < loanshark> de Novo? (googles)
09:24 <@kanzure> there really isn't a thing called "DNA printer". just call it a synthesizer.
09:24 < loanshark> ok
09:25 < loanshark> :3 i found one on ebay for $300
09:25 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis.html
09:25 <@kanzure> it wont work
09:25 < loanshark> i think its broken
09:25 <@kanzure> they go for about $150,000ish
09:25 <@kanzure> and you miiight find one working for $15,000
09:25 < loanshark> found one for 1500 that works
09:25 < loanshark> $1399.99
09:25 < loanshark> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beckman-Oligo-1000-DNA-Synthesizer-/130698731898?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6e40617a
09:26 <@kanzure> "Sold as shown with power cord. No other cords, cables, manuals, accessories, etc (if applicable) included"
09:26 < loanshark> xD
09:27 < loanshark> it has a guarantee so if it does not work just send it back :3
09:27 < chris_99> how much do the chemicals cost though
09:27 < chris_99> and are they easy to get
09:27 <@kanzure> depends on the system.. some synthesizers have proprietary input cartridges i think
09:27 < loanshark> what chemicals do you need>
09:28 <@kanzure> i just linked you to a document explaining that
09:29 <@kanzure> additionally, i :just: mentioned that it's sometimes proprietary
09:29 < loanshark> sorry, missed that wikipedia link
09:29 <@kanzure> wikipedia?
09:30 < loanshark> diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis ?
09:30 < chris_99> wiki ;)
09:30 <@kanzure> that's not wikipedia, that's my site
09:30 <@kanzure> chris_99: http://www.glenresearch.com/catalog/beckman.html
09:31 < loanshark> i mean wiki as in it is a wiki?
09:31 < chris_99> interesting thanks
09:31 <@kanzure> chris_99: looks like it's not a proprietary connector thing.. neat
09:32 <@kanzure> "However, Applied Biosystems columns, see Pages 7-8, can be used on Oligo 1000 instruments with the use of an adapter available from Beckman, Part Number 607824."
09:32 < chris_99> ah
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09:32 < chris_99> when i win the lottery i'll buy one of those to play with
09:32 < loanshark> i feel like a retard in this channel xD
09:34 < loanshark> in any case i found another synthesizer for $650
09:34 < loanshark> :3
09:34 < chris_99> ooh just found a robot arm on fleabay with 0.020mm x,y repeatability
09:34 < chris_99> alas no control panel
09:34 <@kanzure> control panels are for linux haters
09:34 <@kanzure> just hook it up to emc?
09:35 < loanshark> can i see a link to that robot arm?
09:35 < chris_99> check out fleabay loanshark there should be a few
09:36 < chris_99> emc kanzure?
09:36 < loanshark> kk
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09:36 <@kanzure> chris_99: #linuxcnc
09:37 < chris_99> ta, another channel for the list
09:46 <@kanzure> http://www.cryptoparty.org/wiki/CryptoParty
09:46 <@kanzure> "CryptoParties are meetups to share and learn basic cryptographic tools such as PGP/GPG, Tor, OTR, TrueCrypt, etc."
09:48 <@kanzure> so what happened to just having signing parties
09:51 < delinquentme> wut http://vimeo.com/8780113
09:52 < delinquentme> kanzure,
09:52 < delinquentme> you really have no issues with googles branded chrome
09:52 < delinquentme> on ubunter?
09:52 <@kanzure> i don't use ubuntu regularly so i'm not sure why you think i have an opinion on that
09:53 <@kanzure> did canonical fail to brand their own version of chromium?
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09:53 < delinquentme> ohhhh
09:53 < delinquentme> what distro?
09:53 <@kanzure> you just said ubuntu
09:54 < delinquentme> lol no haha
09:54 < delinquentme> for youuu homeslice
09:54 < delinquentme> I thought you were ubuntu
09:54 <@kanzure> i don't use ubuntu regularly
09:54 <@kanzure> i like to use debian
09:55 < delinquentme> ic ic
09:55 < delinquentme> SuprEgo nano-computer contact lens is the latest breakthrough in A.I. and nano-technology to date: a state of the art nano-camera, an incredibly fast computer chip, and an Organic Light Emitting Diode display are all encapsulated within the ultra-small SuprEgo contact lens. SuprEgo contrinuously records and monitors your life, and, in conjuction to the SuprEgo network, projects through to you the Enhanced HyprReal visual.
09:55 < delinquentme> I think this is more of a cool art project than anything else but idk
09:55 < delinquentme> *watches*
09:56 < delinquentme> nm
09:56 < delinquentme> dont watch.
09:56 <@kanzure> sounds like bullshit
09:58 < delinquentme> kanzure, you want critique my c++ code?
09:58 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: looks like rssh has a flaw? http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2012/Aug/95
09:58 < delinquentme> ( arduino )
09:59 < jrayhawk> iiiinteresting
09:59 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i could look later
09:59 < jrayhawk> oh, rssh
09:59 < jrayhawk> yeah, that always has flaws
09:59 < delinquentme> http://pastie.org/4590185
09:59 < delinquentme> kk
09:59 < jrayhawk> as does scponly
09:59 < delinquentme> its pretty short
09:59 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: what are we using?
09:59 < jrayhawk> rbash
09:59 <@kanzure> oops
09:59 <@kanzure> right then
10:00 < jrayhawk> rssh and scponly are projects from people who don't know that rbash exists
10:00 < jrayhawk> thus there are no competent people working on them
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10:33 < delinquentme> AWESOMEEEE http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPMAS2000LBB
10:34 < loanshark> o.o
10:34 <@kanzure> what is it? don't make me click
10:34 < loanshark> its a servooo
10:34 < loanshark> cheap and plastic gears
10:35 < loanshark> be back later
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12:15 < bkero> kanzure: im in texas!
12:16 <@kanzure> bkero: howdy
12:17 <@kanzure> if you are near houston you should stop by tx/rx or http://arcollab.org/
12:19 <@kanzure> and if you're near austin you should hang out with me and be friendly
12:22 < bkero> kanzure: san antonio
12:23 <@kanzure> bkero: if you need someone, bug namerehwon (michael) 210-650-2634 https://www.facebook.com/michael.long.737
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12:24 <@kanzure> also you could probably hire him to do things if you're persuasive (he's a programmer-type)
12:24 <@kanzure> (but for some reason doing tech support?)
12:24 < bkero> lol ok
12:24 < bkero> am interviewing with rackspsce tomorrow afternoon
12:25 <@kanzure> ah, yeah, i told him to do rackspace when he asked about jobs recently.. unless he wants to move
12:25 <@kanzure> rackspace has this weird retreat they force you to go to in san antonio
12:25 < bkero> oh?  tell me more
12:26 <@kanzure> well, i only heard this from someone who's company got acquired by rackspace
12:26 <@kanzure> so there were all these CXO people going through this little 'bootcamp' thing about customer service and stuff
12:26 < bkero> retreat as in event, or a compound?
12:27 <@kanzure> maybe both??
12:27 < bkero> okay
12:28 <@kanzure> my other rackspace person is https://www.facebook.com/kevinlord who seems to be in austin and at a different company now.. hrrm
12:29 < bkero> hrm
12:31 < bkero> kanzure: how far apart are sa and austin?
12:32 <@kanzure> 90 minutes
12:33 < bkero> not bad
12:33 <@kanzure> how long are you here?
12:34 < bkero> tonight and tomorrow until 5pm
12:35 <@kanzure> i have some things i'm finishing that need to have priority over you, but if i get them done let's hang out?
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12:42 <@kanzure> hi yashgaroth
12:42 < yashgaroth> hey
12:43 <@kanzure> nmz787: so i'm not convinced that an inkjet dna synthesizer is a fantastic idea. convince me.
12:44 <@kanzure> does sung want to repurpose inkjet cartridges from color printers?
12:44 <@kanzure> or would he be interested in the laser_etcher.git progress?
12:44 < nmz787> kanzure: no, me neither
12:45 < nmz787> i just want to get together
12:45 <@kanzure> hah ok
12:45 < nmz787> i think its a great resource (that posam paper)
12:45 < bkero> kanzure: sure
12:45 < bkero> kanzure: ill buy you dinner
12:46 <@kanzure> is mozilla not treating you well enough?
12:46 <@kanzure> i'm pretty sure rackspace is a labor camp in comparison to mozilla..
12:46 < nmz787> but i think maybe putting a piezo print head (if you can get them clean and commodity priced) up against microfluidics might be OK
12:46 <@kanzure> does acetonitrile even keep in those cartridges? does it eat through?
12:47 < nmz787> no idea
12:47 < nmz787> i hope we can tweek a bit, soon, for water based chemistry
12:48 <@kanzure> if sung wants to make a synthesizer, the best bet is to do something that's already been accomplished
12:48 < nmz787> because i know even PDMS doesn't like to play with some chems
12:48 <@kanzure> the posam arrayer is pretty huge iirc
12:48 < nmz787> well i guess POSAM has been
12:48 < nmz787> looked like the size of a laser cutter
12:48 < nmz787> big epilog
12:48 <@kanzure> oh.
12:48 < nmz787> with a computer stand like the tv stands in high school
12:48 < nmz787> the carys
12:48 < nmz787> carts
12:49 <@kanzure> page 9.. not bad http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/POSAM_Man_Ch1_Assembly_v1-2_040601.pdf
12:49 < nmz787> but it is not ideal for gene synthesis
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12:50 < nmz787> chandni and I are both tethering on a somewhat weak 3G signal
12:50 < nmz787> :P
12:50 <@kanzure> there's also a part/price list at the bottom
12:50 < nmz787> its pretty sweet that my cell phone is also my router and AP and WAN
12:50 <@kanzure> they spent $1k on a pentium 3 with 256 MB RAM?
12:50 < nmz787> and music and video player and PDF reader and GPS and map
12:50 < nmz787> yeah what is this 1999?
12:51 <@kanzure> $1089 optical breadboard
12:51 <@kanzure> $1023 "breadboard stand"
12:51 <@kanzure> daedal 506 24" motion table $4533
12:51 < nmz787> well those things are nice if you dont want to mess with a mech E
12:52 < nmz787> but it came from a big lab, no?
12:52 < nmz787> they should have tons of MECH E and EE at ANY big school
12:52 <@kanzure> a $2196 nema servo? dafuq?
12:52 < nmz787> hmm
12:52 <@kanzure> "servo drive, digital" $2535
12:52 < nmz787> what brand model?
12:53 <@kanzure> oh oops, i am looking at 'total cost', not unit cost
12:53 <@kanzure> compumotor GV servo $845/ea
12:54 <@kanzure> err, that was the driver.
12:54 <@kanzure> sm23 nema servo $732/ea
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12:54 <@kanzure> so they spent $23,000 on optical board and servos and motion control stuff. that sounds a bit crazy to me.
12:54 < nmz787> http://cmgm.stanford.edu/pbrown/mguide/
12:55 < nmz787> epson printer
12:55 < nmz787> http://cmgm.stanford.edu/pbrown/mguide/partslist.html
12:56 <@kanzure> that page lists "3-Axis Pick and Place Linear Slides and Motors" $9,910
12:56 < nmz787> $1500 on a dell minitowe
12:56 < nmz787> yeah
12:56 < nmz787> hmm
12:56 < nmz787> i dunno
12:56 <@kanzure> seems pretty crazy to me
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12:56 <@kanzure> there's no way a 3-axis rig shuold cost $9900
12:56 <@kanzure> *should
12:57 < nmz787> unless the motors are really awesome (like those Rochester NY made ones probably are) and the motion control is like a 700MHz DSP microstepping variably up to like 512 microsteps.... its not worth it
12:57 < nmz787> i don't think you should need such fine DSP control either
12:57 <@kanzure> it depends on how many wells you want, no?
12:58 <@kanzure> "custom machined" "slide platter with dowel pins" $1200
12:58 < nmz787> wells?
12:58 <@kanzure> for microarraying?
12:59 < bkero> kanzure: they are, I want to prove that Mozilla is underpaying me by getting some competing offers.
13:00 <@kanzure> ah cool
13:02 < nmz787> well i guess we'll see if a $500 gantry is sufficient
13:02 < nmz787> or whatever laser.git is
13:03 < nmz787> hopefully $10k in motion control isn't req
13:03 < nmz787> but we're also not printing spots
13:03 <@kanzure> fenn: you should write us a page that reasonably outlines order-of-magnitude guestimates for different motion control rigs
13:03 < nmz787> eh?
13:04 < nmz787> what's that mean?
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13:07 <@kanzure> nmz787: it just means that these academic projects could prolly be cheaper
13:07 <@kanzure> and somehow they are getting ripped off or something
13:07 < nmz787> kanzure: have you seen these? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmillenniata.com%2F&ei=84E6UPilCYSZ6AGKsYDoDA&usg=AFQjCNFZbqctcNynbKJyfqZ_7CDbd-jTDA&sig2=G9FMLJfkEgq6YoEIiwIerQ
13:07 < nmz787> bah millenniata.com
13:08 < nmz787> i was thinking there may be a way to separate the disc halves after burning
13:09 < nmz787> then maybe a DVD burner would suffice, with the laser being hi-jacked or something (I wonder if the write laser could be taken control of while the tracking laser (red or IR I think) keeps doing the motion control
13:10 < nmz787> cooling a DVD drive might be a problem if you're overdriving the laser diode though
13:10 < nmz787> some kind of cool gas stream blowing at the diode rapidly might work
13:10 < nmz787> but with cooling you also have to watch out for condensation
13:12 <@kanzure> nmz787: you should get sung in here sometime
13:12 < nmz787> http://search.newport.com/?x2=sku&q2=M-SG-44-2
13:12 < nmz787> $2000
13:13 < nmz787> flat to <+-101.6 microns over 2 sq feet
13:13 < nmz787> seems pretty nice, if you've got the dough
13:13 <@kanzure> what does "flat" mean
13:14 < nmz787> honeycomb core, some damping
13:14 < nmz787> oh wow they even have "Maximum Dynamic Deflection Coefficient"
13:15 < nmz787> and"Deflection Under Load"
13:15 < nmz787> so it seems like for the materials, time to build, and time to test... $2000 seems almost fair
13:15 <@kanzure> for a breadboard?
13:16 < nmz787> for anything with that much care put into it during construction
13:16 < nmz787> think if that was a guitar or something
13:16 <@kanzure> oh ok. you're not specifically saying you need this breadboard for something.
13:16 < nmz787> I only say that because the neck of the guitar is stressed and is expected to perform (not bend) to a certain degree
13:17 < nmz787> well yeah, I think the smaller aluminum that is on the laser.git BOM is good enough
13:17 < nmz787> it may have some of these same tests
13:17 < nmz787> but that breadboard is 1.2 meters square
13:18 < nmz787> machined with screw holes, 2.5 to 3 inches thick with leg mounts, etc... etc
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13:20 < nmz787> hmm this doesn't actually list any flatness specs http://www.discountsteel.com/items/C250_Aluminum_Cast_Tooling_Plate.cfm?item_id=152&size_no=1
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14:17 < nmz787> hmm, from the POSaM paper
14:17 < nmz787> "The Epson
14:17 < nmz787> F057020 six-color print head has six banks of 32 nozzles, or
14:17 < nmz787> 192 individually addressable piezoelectric pumps. We purchased
14:17 < nmz787> one complete Photo 700 printer (Epson America,
14:17 < nmz787> Long Beach, CA) to obtain a print-head holder and ribbon
14:17 < nmz787> cable, and subsequent print heads from Agson Electronics
14:17 < nmz787> (Cherry Hill, NJ)."
14:17 < nmz787> so it takes 6 pumps for 1 nozzle?
14:20 < nmz787> ahh, kanzure here's how they replaced acetonitrile
14:21 < nmz787> Acetonitrile, the preferred solvent for automated phosphoramidite synthesis, is not suitable for inkjet printing due to its high volatility; droplets may even evaporate before contact with the slide surface. In addition, phosphoramidite precipitates can accumulate on the print head and clog the nozzles. Propylene carbonate is one less-volatile alternative that has been shown to produce coupling efficiency of 94-98% for inkjet synthesis [3]. After exten
14:23 < nmz787> then also used a laser under the print head as a break-beam sensor to see if a print jet was firing or not
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14:50 < nmz787> kanzure: how do i map who is on my LAN?
14:50 < nmz787> IPs only
14:50 < nmz787> I guess ports would be good too
14:53 < jrayhawk> nmap 192.168.0.*
14:53 < jrayhawk> -O is fun, too
14:53 < jrayhawk> avahi-browse -a might be interesting
14:53 < nmz787> what if the IPs are on a different subdomain?
14:54 < nmz787> i.e. my router used to be  10.0.0.1 but DHCP was in 192
14:58 < jrayhawk> ping -b 255.255.255.255 might do a thing
14:58 < jrayhawk> but a lot of software and hardware ignores that kind of chicanery
15:01 < nmz787> i'm trying to look for the modem (my non-techy landlords), to try and do a software reset
15:01 < jrayhawk> a less easy but more plausible approach be shoving an interface in to PROMISC and working out what broadcast radiuses should be searched based on what ARP packets come through.
15:01 < nmz787> i know the router IP, but it doesn't list the uplink IP
15:01 < jrayhawk> uplink...?
15:02 < nmz787> generally the modem plugs into the router
15:02 < nmz787> used to be a special port for WAN
15:02 < nmz787> i guess that could be dated/incorrect in this case
15:03 < jrayhawk> You should probably list whatever embedded boxes are involved and which is connected to what how.
15:04 < nmz787> i have no idea
15:04 < jrayhawk> If you want to figure out the routing path, including addresses, you should use a traceroute.
15:04 < nmz787> 192.168.1.1 directs to ddWRT web gui
15:05 < nmz787> so how do I easily find out what the router IP is, instead of guessing that it was 192.168.1.1?
15:05 < jrayhawk> traceroute
15:06 < nmz787> why isn;t it in ifconfig?
15:06 < chris_99> it's in route nmz787
15:06 < nmz787> doesn't the computer need to know the router IP?
15:06 < jrayhawk> ip route
15:06 < nmz787> or is the router transparent?
15:07 < jrayhawk> If you want to see every address on the routing path, use traceroute. IP packets have a 'time to live' field that routers check positivity for and decrement in order to avoid routing loops causing infinite traffic.
15:08 < jrayhawk> a traceroute constructs a series of packets with increasingly larger TTLs so that it can get a list of responses from routers sending back rejections.
15:09 < jrayhawk> Your local system's routing tables most likely only have entries for the local network and the innermost router.
15:09 < nmz787> hm
15:10 < jrayhawk> which is what 'ip route' prints.
15:13 < jrayhawk> 'router' and 'gateway' are IP-specific terms. Most likely, your modem is also a router in sequence with whatever that other thing you're calling a router is.
15:15 < jrayhawk> It's conceivable, however, that it is a PPPoE bridge and not actually in the routing path.
15:15 < jrayhawk> in which case you'll have to look on the ddWRT settings as to what address it has.
15:19 < nmz787> i dont think the cable company would release a modem/router with ddWRT
15:19 < nmz787> maybe
15:19 < nmz787> ...
15:19 < jrayhawk> Okay, seriously, 'traceroute -n 4.2.2.3' and try whatever address comes after 192.168.1.1
15:20 < nmz787> ahh, like another computer on the network?
15:20 < nmz787> doing that wouldn't see the modem, if it has an IP
15:20 < jrayhawk> no, outside the network
15:20 < nmz787> ok
15:21 < nmz787> whats 4.2.2.3?
15:22 < jrayhawk> Level3 nameservers
15:23 < nmz787> well i dont have internets on that AP
15:23 < nmz787> which is why i want to find the modem :/
15:24 < jrayhawk> have you run 'traceroute -n 4.2.2.3' yet
15:24 < nmz787> yeah
15:24 < jrayhawk> if not why have you not run 'traceroute -n 4.2.2.3' yet
15:24 < nmz787> doesn't hop anywhere
15:24 < jrayhawk> that's rather odd
15:24 < nmz787> because the router doesn't have a WAN connection
15:25 < jrayhawk> the router should still bounce the packet
15:25 < nmz787> to where though, if there is no where to go
15:25 < jrayhawk> back to you. that would be the whole point.
15:25 < nmz787> hmm
15:26 < nmz787> ok brb
15:26 < jrayhawk> this implies that whatever you're expecting to exist after 192.168.1.1 isn't responding to network activity.
15:30 < nmz787> oh well
15:30 < nmz787> good thing i have a smartphone with OK 3G
15:34 < jrayhawk> oh i guess verizon manages those DNS servers. whatever.
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16:53 < bkero> kanzure: will probably be getting into san antonio around 8 or 9. :(
16:53 <@kanzure> bkero: good, i can't really play before then.
16:53 < bkero> kanzure: haha, alright
16:54 < bkero> I'm down for anything, I just need to be up around 8am for rackspace interview crapola.
17:01 <@kanzure> bkero: don't count on me until i confirm of course..
17:01 < bkero> kanzure: My routine isn't going to change:  1) Get into San Antonio.  2) Steal underpants.  3) Go to hotel
17:02 <@kanzure> nmz787: so i think you should spam that biohack-nyc thread with "or if you can't wait until then, join irc" http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap/ has instructions
17:02 <@kanzure> bkero: ah my buddy mike can't hang out, apparently he has a job thing that keeps him until 5pm tomorrow.
17:04 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i want to convert an existing hg repository to git and append each commit message with "hg-commit-id:" strings. i would also really like it if the hg-git bridge thing still works. do you have any hints?
17:04 < bkero> :(
17:04 < bkero> kanzure: job things suck
17:05 <@kanzure> where did chido/pasky go?
17:06 < nmz787> is chido == pasky?
17:06 < nmz787> chido hasn't been on for a while
17:06 < nmz787> was she ever on here before coming to SF in June?
17:06 <@kanzure> chido and pasky are separate people
17:07 <@kanzure> pasky has been in here for years
17:07 <@kanzure> chido was not in here prior to SF
17:07  * bkero is chilling in PHX right now.
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17:14 < nmz787> "The ASM9600 was designed in collaboration with Ben Potsaid, John Wen, and Yves Bellouard at the
17:14 < nmz787> Center for Automation Technologies and Systems (CATS) at Rensselear Polytechnic Institute (RPI;
17:14 < nmz787> Troy, NY)."
17:14 < nmz787> wonder who they are
17:15 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: oh i see now. hg-to-git/hg-fast-export.py is just a wrapper around git-fast-import so it works like a normal thing.
17:15 < nmz787> this thing is hot http://www.thorlabs.com/images/Catalog/V19_07_Micros_Img.pdf
17:17 < loanshark> OOH
17:18 < loanshark> i wonder if you could make one of these :3
17:18 < loanshark> as in a microscope out of a digital camera
17:19 <@kanzure> loanshark: http://diybio.org/2009/12/13/webcam-microscope-hacks-at-bosslab/
17:19 < bkero> kanzure: is Mike the dude in SA?
17:19 < loanshark> ooh
17:19 < loanshark> :3 thanks
17:19 < bkero> loanshark: Some third world doctors do for cheap microscopes
17:19 <@kanzure> bkero: michael long
17:19 < loanshark> was just searching for it on instructables
17:19 <@kanzure> instructables is bullshit
17:20 < bkero> heh instructables
17:20 < bkero> kanzure: I see
17:20 < bkero> kanzure: any recommendations for places to go in SA while I'm there?
17:20 < bkero> (this evening)
17:20 < bkero> I recognize that it's sunday night and that might just usck.
17:20 < bkero> *suck
17:21 < loanshark> :O
17:21 < loanshark> i like instructables
17:22 < loanshark> their microscope is not very good
17:23 < loanshark> :O
17:23 < loanshark> you can see bubbles clearly :3
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17:37 <@kanzure> bkero: no i don't have any suggestions
17:39 < loanshark> bkero: South Africa?
17:43 < bkero> loanshark: Yes
17:43 < bkero> I'm in Johannesberg
17:43 < bkero> and looking for cool doodz
17:43 < loanshark> i have a house there!
17:43 < loanshark> well, my mum does
17:43 < loanshark> ohhh
17:43 < loanshark> ummm
17:43 < loanshark> hate to break it to you but joburg sucks
17:44 < loanshark> ^^
17:44 < loanshark> go to botswana!
17:44 < yashgaroth> don't worry, he's strapped
17:44 < loanshark> last time i was in joburg i bought a rifle
17:45 < loanshark> then went hunting on a friend of my parents ranch
17:46 < loanshark> there were wild horses and birds and stuff… did not seem very african
17:46 < yashgaroth> keeping it zef huh
17:46 < loanshark> no buffalo, no antelope, no elephants or rhinos… they have those confined to parks and hunting ranches
17:47 < loanshark> did not enjoy my time in south africa
17:49 < nmz787> bkero: PHX isn't phoenix?
17:55 < bkero> nmz787: it is
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18:09  * bkero board flight
18:09 <@kanzure> gitified: https://github.com/kanzure/pokered
18:09 <@kanzure> (it was hg originally)
18:17 < tashoutang> @K: I have seen your disscution with somebody about computer science and biology
18:17 < tashoutang> I have a question
18:17 < nmz787> so you're in PHX and SA?
18:17 < nmz787> at the same time?
18:18 < nmz787> hi tashoutang
18:18 < tashoutang> does computer science <or other "mathmatical related subjects"> use "deductive method" to study
18:18 < tashoutang> he
18:19 < tashoutang> hi
18:19 <@kanzure> nmz787: he's flying to san antonio
18:19 <@kanzure> nmz787: and loanshark made up some BS about south africa
18:19 < tashoutang> and does biology use the "inductive method " to study the phenomena?
18:20 < tashoutang> I am studying anatomy now
18:20 < tashoutang> some of my friends studied reptiles.
18:20 < nmz787> bio maybe also called empirical
18:21 < tashoutang> some studied evolution <in molecular level >
18:21 <@kanzure> tashoutang: i don't know what you are asking. deducation/induction can both work.
18:21 < nmz787> but in that sense, that was done in math a long time ago
18:21 < nmz787> so maybe its just the level that each study has advanced is differe
18:21 < nmz787> different
18:23 < tashoutang> somehow I always think that biology is to complicate and the knowlege is too disarray to have a systematic   construct
18:23 <@kanzure> you can still be systematic about biology.. that's what bioinformatics helps do
18:23 < tashoutang> yeah
18:23 < tashoutang> but for example
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18:24 < tashoutang> how did they conclude a type of one species just because the morphology of one creature in the past?
18:25 <@kanzure> they don't.. they make up taxonomies
18:26 < tashoutang> will the old taxonomies be re-classified from the modern molecular knowlege?
18:27 < tashoutang> and when I studied anatomy, i feel so boring about remembering so many terms...
18:28 < tashoutang> does this have any scientific meaning?
18:28 < tashoutang> just like signal transdution...
18:29 < tashoutang> too many paths and somehow the relationships is very strange and sometimes without any logics
18:30 < yashgaroth> yep pretty much
18:30 < tashoutang> after 10 years of completing the human genome project, can we conclude some rules?
18:30 < yashgaroth> nope not really
18:31 < tashoutang> I think maybe we can guess some sequences might be exons, or not?
18:31 < tashoutang> maybe the rules will be found by bio-informatics
18:31 < yashgaroth> yes, but already knew all the exons from cDNA cloning
18:32 < tashoutang> mmmm....
18:33 < tashoutang> to Yashgaroth: do you think human genome project was a necessary project?
18:33 < yashgaroth> nothing is necessary, but it was a wise investment, yes
18:33 < tashoutang> OK,
18:34 < tashoutang> yeah, it might be very useful for future protein-like medicine...
18:34 < tashoutang> to develop new drugs....
18:35 < yashgaroth> the technology that was developed in the project opened the path for cheap genome sequencing, which is important
18:35 < tashoutang> mmmm....
18:35 < tashoutang> but the sequencing equipments are very expensive...
18:36 <@kanzure> only because everyone keeps thinking that
18:36 < yashgaroth> yes, but not everyone needs their genome sequencing machine
18:36 < yashgaroth> their own*, I should say
18:36 < tashoutang> mmmm... right....
18:36 <@kanzure> there's no particular reason a good sequencer needs to cost so much
18:37 <@kanzure> they just do because people keep paying that much
18:37 <@kanzure> (among other reasons and flaws of the biotech market)
18:37 < tashoutang> will we develop a new and tech to let each lab has its equencing ability in the future, just like PCR machine?
18:38 < yashgaroth> when enough labs have enough of a need for such a machine
18:38 < yashgaroth> and it becomes cheaper and faster than sending it to another company for sequencing
18:38 < tashoutang> yeah,
18:40 < tashoutang> OK, thanks a lot, I think one day we might be able to set up a personal lab in the future, and the budget is under.... hmm.... 10,000 USD..... in the future, I hope so....
18:40 <@kanzure> tashoutang: hey are you able to do translation work? i was wondering what you think abuot translating http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq into chinese (i think you speak mandarin?)
18:40 <@kanzure> *about
18:41 < tashoutang> yeah, I speak mandarin....
18:41 <@kanzure> what is the current state of mandarin text for diybio/biohacking or basic biology on the web?
18:41 <@kanzure> is there anything?
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18:42 < tashoutang> but I have been working beneath a desk <with bench> for about 11 years
18:42 <@kanzure> kendoka: hi
18:42 < kendoka> hey
18:42 < tashoutang> I can introduce a website,
18:42 < tashoutang> wait
18:43 < kendoka> anybody following LENR?
18:43 < kendoka> Rossi et al
18:43 < tashoutang> http://dxy.dxy.cn
18:44 < tashoutang> it is said the largest chinese website in mainland China for life science
18:44 < tashoutang> said to be
18:44 < tashoutang> with simplified Chinese words
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18:45 <@kanzure> in the US, science is not so centralized except in academic journals
18:45 <@kanzure> 2 million members, 10000 currently online http://www.dxy.cn/bbs/index.html neat..
18:45 < tashoutang> they offer on-line trading offering
18:45 <@kanzure> trading what?
18:46 <@kanzure> hahah
18:46 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: http://paper.pubmed.cn/
18:46 <@kanzure> YES
18:46 < tashoutang> every kind of items about life science
18:46 < tashoutang> clinical or non-clinical
18:46 < yashgaroth> it needs a login? I guess
18:47 < tashoutang> dxy need an account
18:47 < tashoutang> you can find many recruiting messages there too.
18:47 < yashgaroth> items, meaning information or chemicals?
18:48 < tashoutang> both of them
18:48 <@kanzure> tashoutang: do you know what ezproxy is?
18:48 < tashoutang> even the new drug registration informations
18:48 < tashoutang> @Kan: software?
18:49 <@kanzure> programmers in china steal credentials for ezproxy instances to login and get papers from US schools
18:49 < tashoutang> a kind of VPN?
18:50 < tashoutang> ha
18:50 <@kanzure> http proxy
18:50 < tashoutang> yeah
18:50 <@kanzure> not a vpn
18:51 < tashoutang> some websites(in China) sell passwords and accounts
18:51 < kendoka> http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/TianJexcessheatb.pdf
18:51 <@kanzure> tashoutang: can you show me?
18:51 < tashoutang> I think some students in the US sell their accounts to the hackers in China.
18:51 <@kanzure> how much does an account cost?
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18:53 < tashoutang> about 60~100 USD for several months<4 years ago>
18:53 < tashoutang> their major clients are students
18:53 < kendoka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/2009DIA-08-0911-003.pdf
18:53 < nmz787> yashgaroth: did you ever get a job?
18:53 <@kanzure> can you link me to a site that sells these?
18:53 < kendoka> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdf
18:53 < yashgaroth> nmz787: yeah I start tomorrow
18:53 <@kanzure> tashoutang: what should i search for? in chinese?
18:54 < tashoutang> can you read Chinese?
18:54 <@kanzure> sort of :)
18:54 <@kanzure> i try
18:55 < tashoutang> u can use keywords like "徵求帳號"<the meaning is "I want some accounts">
18:55 < nmz787> yashgaroth: doing what?
18:55 < yashgaroth> GMP protein purification
18:56 <@kanzure> tashoutang: "帐号" ?
18:56 <@kanzure> tashoutang: i think this is similar
18:56 < yashgaroth> includes months of paid GMP training :D
18:56 < tashoutang> using google you can find this kind of questions, most of them are from the poor students they want to get new papers to finish their thesis
18:56 < tashoutang> yeah
18:56 < tashoutang> wait,
18:56 <@kanzure> i see
18:57 < tashoutang> I would google it first...
18:57 <@kanzure> tashoutang: i want to buy $300 - $500 of accounts
18:57 < tashoutang> "徵求帳號"
18:57 <@kanzure> ah
18:58 <@kanzure> i am getting back many results about gaming :(
18:58 < tashoutang> asking of an account of "VPN, ncbi....etc..."
18:58 < tashoutang> yeah
18:58 < tashoutang> VPN?do you try it?
18:59 <@kanzure> looking
19:00 < tashoutang> at least somebody selled national Taiwan Universty's VPN account now, ...just googled it:)
19:00 < tashoutang> I can tell you, it is obviously some students sell the accounts of NTU...
19:01 <@kanzure> the only results i see are for gaming :(
19:01 <@kanzure> google.com.hk ?
19:01 < tashoutang> yeah
19:01 < tashoutang> 徵求VPN帳號
19:02 < tashoutang> google it
19:03 <@kanzure> aha
19:03 <@kanzure> yes
19:03 < tashoutang> 徵求期刊帳號
19:03 < tashoutang> 期刊means "journal"
19:04 < ParahSailin_> i know some of those characters
19:04 < tashoutang> OK, I have to study my anatomy now, and I will keep staying on line...
19:04 < tashoutang> :)
19:04 <@kanzure> tashoutang: thank you
19:05 < tashoutang> so you can find many resources
19:05 < ParahSailin_> i prefer to study other people's anatomy over my own
19:06 < tashoutang> poor students can find the cheap and only way to get papers ,although it is illegal...
19:06 < tashoutang> to Para:
19:06 < tashoutang> of course
19:06 < tashoutang> :)
19:07 < ParahSailin_> thats kinda confusing that you call it NTU, because normally i think the one in sg
19:08 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: find me a chinese bbs selling ezproxy accounts
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19:09 < ParahSailin_> big hand soup probably can help you more with that
19:10 < tashoutang> u can use http://www.baidu.com <Chinese'version of GOOGLE> and the key word "徵求期刊帐号 site:.cn".
19:10 <@kanzure> what is "big hand soup"
19:10 < yashgaroth> one translation of ta shou tang, I'd wager
19:11 < ParahSailin_> bad play on his name
19:11 <@kanzure> oh i see
19:11 < kendoka> it comes with the fried rice
19:11 < ParahSailin_> i know enough chinese to butcher it in ways that amuse me
19:12 <@kanzure> wow the baidu results are much better
19:14 < tashoutang> you see, I always respect the Chinese, they always copy others' idea quickly...
19:14 < tashoutang> and they always want to build their own system...
19:15 < tashoutang> and it is very strange that they somehow use some "fire wall" to isolate the Baidu from google
19:16 < tashoutang> so u will not find out some results and infromations of Baidu from google.
19:20 <@kanzure> perfect.. http://bbs.proxycn.cn/read.php?tid=293839
19:20 <@kanzure> the connection seems to be poor to the US..
19:20 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/%E6%9C%9F%E5%88%8A/blah.html
19:20 <@kanzure> "literature agent area" http://bbs.proxycn.cn/thread.php?fid=45&page=0
19:20 <@kanzure> if only it would load :(
19:22 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: do you know a good http proxy i can use that might help my http requests?
19:23 < ParahSailin_> one inside a uni paywall?
19:23 <@kanzure> no
19:23 <@kanzure> just in general
19:24 < ParahSailin_> what purpose, requirements
19:25 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: when i request bbs.proxycn.cn i think i am being filtered by something, somewhere
19:25 <@kanzure> because my connection gets reset each time
19:26 < ParahSailin_> great wall
19:27 < brownies> a BBS? how retro
19:27 <@kanzure> brownies: BBSes are super popular in china
19:27 <@kanzure> but they are really just forums
19:28 <@kanzure> i think "discuz!" is the phpbb of china
19:33 < nmz787> kanzure: ask to proxy through tashoutang
19:34 < yashgaroth> he's also outside the firewall
19:34 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: foucist, lichen
19:34 <@kanzure> "利用google搜密码 最早以前，我曾经用" password+journal" 方法搜过一些，效果也很明显。"
19:34 <@kanzure> "后来有人提出一个号称通吃天下文献数据库的密码万能的公式， password=welcome+(X) x 可以为任何一个文献数据库的名称，可以写成 password=welcome+ProQuest password=welcome+Ingenta password=welcome+EBSCO。"
19:35 < nmz787> kanzure: http://spys.ru/free-proxy-list/CN/
19:35 <@kanzure> "等等，放到google里后，检索为“password welcome ProQuest” 这样会有好多的密码出现，你慢慢尝试吧！"
19:36 <@kanzure> "cnki/vip/wanfang/renda/ssreader"
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19:38 < ParahSailin_> bbs is easier to sinicize than "forum"
19:59 <@kanzure> maybe this one.. http://bbs.ok6ok.com/index.php
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20:02 <@kanzure> baidu snapshot: http://cache.baidu.com/c?m=9d78d513d9d430a84f9d93697d15c0161f43f0672ba3a0027ea4843e90732844501790ac53250705a3d20a6216de3a4b9cf62102311421c78cb9fe5da9b1866f6fd6286e365ac45613a004b29b1664d620e707b0ab44beadf045c2f38dce&p=93759a46d6c62dfe0be2977555579f2e&user=baidu&fm=sc&query=%C5%B5%B1%B4%B6%FB%D1%A7%CA%F5%D7%CA%D4%B4%CD%F8&qid=c8996eac18adb9e7&p1=1
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20:03 <@kanzure> i guess i-nobel.com still works
20:08 < delinquentme> http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/14/big-money-for-nano-innovations-samsung-leads-20m-round-in-raydiance-for-laser-precision-manufacturing/
20:08 < delinquentme> kanzure, nmz787
20:08 < delinquentme> ^^^
20:08 < delinquentme> fenn
20:08 <@kanzure> it's a link to fucking techcrunch, no way i'm clicking that
20:10 < delinquentme> ....
20:10 < delinquentme> wat.
20:10 < delinquentme> you can see the title
20:11 < delinquentme> what kind of silly logic says I dont go to TC
20:11 <@kanzure> the title sucks and is uninteresting
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20:16 < nmz787> article doesnt say much more than the title
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20:17 <@kanzure> i should get points for predicting things like this
20:21 < brownies> i hereby award you 1 brownie point
20:26  * kanzure reads the point
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20:26 <@kanzure> "non-redeemable"
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20:27 <@kanzure> brownies: your point seems to be non-reedemable..
20:27 < brownies> kanzure: no cash value, but you can redeem a million brownie points for 1 cookie
20:28 <@kanzure> this is worth less than the equity you gave me, fuck this
20:29 < brownies> i gave you equity? whoa.
20:29 <@kanzure> the fictional equity
20:30 < brownies> as long as it was also vesting
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20:43 < nmz787> kanzure, how do i commit to SVN
20:43 <@kanzure> svn commit
20:44 < jrayhawk> first you make kanzure port it to git, then you run git commit
20:45 <@kanzure> not tonight.. i'm busy being busy with things.
20:45 <@kanzure> nmz787: bug jrayhawk to tell you about git-svn
20:45 < nmz787> says the lock is permission denied
20:46 <@kanzure> welcome to the wonderful world of svn
20:47 < brownies> hahah
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21:57 < OldCoder> loanshark, hello
21:57 < loanshark> hello
21:57 < OldCoder> So... mold. Good or bad?
21:57 < Jora> hello, whats up?
21:57 < OldCoder> Jora, Hello. loanshark is learning about DIY.
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21:58 < OldCoder> kanzure has explained that DIYBIO is not a rapid process.
21:58 < OldCoder> So, one question is, can a hobbyist and novice do anything with DIYBIO above the mold level?
21:58 < nmz787> uh oh
21:58 < OldCoder> ?
21:59 < Jora> Cool...Im not exactly familiar with DIYBIO in its entirity, morely a mere spectator?
21:59 < OldCoder> Ditto
21:59 < nmz787> geez what did i miss in here
21:59 < OldCoder> nmz787, Hi
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21:59 < OldCoder> Seems to me that mold is something a novice could study
21:59 < Jora> I need to get a lot of additional education in order to be able to pursue anything I'm interested in.
21:59 < OldCoder> Yep
21:59 < OldCoder> But it is possible
22:00 < nmz787> basically we're all tired of explainin to noobs recently, and a lot of the online community DIYbio activity has been down this past year, as compared to the past 2-3 years
22:00 < loanshark> Jora: have you seen the biology lectures on www.khanacademy.org?
22:00 < loanshark> jora: they are awesome, very good visual system of online teaching
22:00 < nmz787> so not many people around taking the time to explain things, or more importantly, collaborate on making the FAQ better
22:01 < Jora> cool loanshart, nice site for other things as well
22:01 < OldCoder> nmz787, that makes sense
22:01 < loanshark> nmz787: I'm not sure how to log into the website so i can edit the FAQ xD
22:02 < Jora> well im just a computer information systems student and call center rep during the day, no time to take bio classes none offered here at night
22:02 < OldCoder> I'll do a bit of it if Bryan will explain some of the priorities
22:02 < OldCoder> Call Center rep; that's usually fun
22:02 < loanshark> Jora: they are not bio classes
22:02 < OldCoder> Jora, you can pick up some things regardless
22:02 < nmz787> loanshark: kanzure or jrayhawk have to give you permission
22:02 < Jora> It gets boring answering the phone :)
22:03 < Jora> But i do that kind of work to pay the bills and work on other stuff
22:03 < OldCoder> Jora, there's always the human element
22:03 < OldCoder> Yes
22:03 < loanshark> jora: people use them as  a study aid. Just try to watch one - http://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/v/chromosomes--chromatids--chromatin--etc
22:03 < nmz787> there's also coursera and MIT's online stuff
22:03 < Jora> Yes, I signed up for cousera
22:03 < Jora> And an neuroscience course on another site thats supposed to be free
22:04 < nmz787> i think there's a free online school where you can actually get a degree
22:04 < nmz787> (wish that woulda been around when i was a kid)
22:04 < Jora> never heard of that, but teaching yourself things is never bad
22:04 < Jora> #1 priority is to the school work is paying for though
22:05 < Jora> i lurk in here from time to time
22:06 < Jora> do you guys like to discuss article and science findings as well as the DIY stuff?
22:06 <@kanzure> loanshark: the instructions to log into the FAQ are in the fucking FAQ, shit man
22:06 <@kanzure> blaah
22:06  * OldCoder laughs
22:06 < OldCoder> kanzure, hi
22:06 < loanshark> >.<
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22:06 < OldCoder> loanshark, don't take that too seriously
22:06 <@kanzure> no, he should take it completely seriously
22:06 < OldCoder> Yes
22:07 < OldCoder> The instructions
22:07 <@kanzure> it's a true statement: it's in the FAQ and he failed
22:07 < OldCoder> Not the blaah part
22:07 < OldCoder> He should definitely read the FAQ before editing the FAQ
22:07 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/#index18h1
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22:10 < gnusha_> diyhpluswiki.git: 6575126 increase git documentation in diybio/faq.mdwn
22:11 < loanshark> kanzure: i fail to see where the instructions to log in are
22:11 <@kanzure> loanshark: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq#editing
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22:15 < loanshark> kanzure: still, I don't see where the log in instructions are.
22:15 < loanshark> I made an account yesterday
22:16 < loanshark> i just don't know how to log in
22:16 <@kanzure> loanshark: click "edit"
22:17 < loanshark> ahh
22:17 < loanshark> :3
22:17 <@kanzure> https://secure.diyhpl.us/write/diyhpluswiki/ikiwiki.cgi?page=diybio%2Ffaq&do=edit
22:18  * loanshark is learning slowly but surely
22:19 < loanshark> or maybe just slowly :P
22:20 < OldCoder> Surely I'm Sure
22:20 < OldCoder> Say, Shirley, I'm Sure
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22:32 < Utopiah> http://ropensci.org/packages/index.html
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