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00:35 <@kanzure> boop
00:35 < brownies> kanzure: irssi is pretty wild
00:35 <@kanzure> yeah
00:35 <@kanzure> what did you use?
00:37 < brownies> just switching/trying out irssi
00:41 < brownies> kanzure: any suggestions on themes/config?
00:41 < brownies> in particular, some sort of "tab bar" showing the active windows would be cool
00:42 <@kanzure> themes o.o
00:42 <@kanzure> there should be a default tab bar
00:42 <@kanzure> setup autorejoins
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00:44 < brownies> kanzure: i set up all kinds of settings, but i passed on autorejoin... any reason to use it?
00:44 < brownies> there's no "tab bar," really ... it's more of just a status bar, but it'd be nice to have a permanently visible *list* of channels i'm in
00:45 <@kanzure> brownies: bottom blue bar? https://docs.indymedia.org/pub/Sysadmin/IrssiHowTo/irssi.png
00:45  * brownies grumbles
00:45 <@kanzure> oh i see now
00:45 <@kanzure> yeah, well, the horizontal bar idea sucks
00:46 < brownies> hmm... un-clickable links, eh? that'll be... interesting.
00:49 < brownies> kanzure: screenshot your setup?
00:51 < Utopiah> brownies: https://bitbucket.org/sterlingcamden/urlpicker/overview
00:51 <@kanzure> ok one sec
00:51 <@kanzure> uploading..
00:52 < tashoutang> hi, guys, does china's website help?
00:53 < brownies> Utopiah: heh, thanks... not using rxvt though
00:53 <@kanzure> brownies: http://heybryan.org/shots/2012-08-27-0249.png
00:53 <@kanzure> nobody laugh that i use gnome
00:54 < brownies> i'm running mosh from OSX to debian where i have irssi running inside screen
00:54 < brownies> because clearly i needed the maximum number of layers in between me and IRC
00:54 <@kanzure> yes
00:54 < brownies> kanzure: hm, that's basically what mine looks like, except not as ugly
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00:55 < brownies> i'm not convinced i want to memorize which window # correlates to which channel
00:55 <@kanzure> well, you can move windows next to each other
00:55 <@kanzure> so i tend to cluster things near the front
00:55 <@kanzure> and horizontal sucks because there's about 50 that are off-screen
00:56 < brownies> thankfully i'm not in 100+ IRC chans like you
00:56 < brownies> but i still refuse to memorize 10 windows
00:57 <@kanzure> you can move with alt+left/right
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00:57 < brownies> ah, good point... i've been using meta+num keys
00:58 < gedankenstuecke> brownies: have a look into adv_windowlist for irssi
00:58 < brownies> ah, nope, arrow keys don't work with this hilarious combo of software i've stacked together
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00:58 <@kanzure> pasky: welcome back
00:58 <@kanzure> brownies: how about ctrl+p/n?
00:58 < pasky> hi :)
00:58  * pasky fighting with irssi vs. freenode namespaces
00:58 < gedankenstuecke> brownies: you're using the mac os shell?
01:00 < brownies> gedankenstuecke: the Terminal.app? yeah
01:01 < gedankenstuecke> brownies: ic, the problem is that the alt-key isn't properly mapped by default
01:02 <@kanzure> i suggest totalterminal.app
01:02 < brownies> gedankenstuecke: yeah, i just fixed that
01:02 < gedankenstuecke> brownies: my suggestion is get iterm2, there you can map the right alt-key to a meta-key of your choice
01:02 < brownies> kanzure: meh, not a fan of TotalTerminal... afaict it's just a thin UI layer over Terminal.app anyway, so no added functionality
01:03 < gedankenstuecke> has the advantage that you still have the left alt-key on the system-standard and can use it while also having the benefit of having a "real" alt-key for everything else
01:03 <@kanzure> brownies: i like the global shortcut :P i imagine there's a way to set it up without totalterminal
01:03 < brownies> gedankenstuecke: ahh i see. might check it out later.
01:04 < gedankenstuecke> oh, and they have added a visor/quake terminal-like mode so you can slide down a terminal per global shortcut
01:06 <@kanzure> yeah that's what i use totalterminal for
01:07 < gedankenstuecke> kanzure: i prefer the split-pane terminals of iterm over tabs
01:07 < gedankenstuecke> brownies: and here's a screenshot/setup-tutorial for adv_windowlist. it gives you multiple rows for listing channels: http://www.die-welt.net/2010/12/because-people-asked-my-irssi-advanced-windowlist-setup/
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01:11 < brownies> gedankenstuecke: perfect, thanks
01:17 < gedankenstuecke> brownies: sure, np :)
01:19 < gedankenstuecke> brownies: oh, and have a look at the trackbar.pl-script. it gives you a divider which shows the line you've last "read", i.e. at which line you switched away from a given channel
01:28 < brownies> gedankenstuecke: heh, just realized i needed something like that
01:28 < brownies> just installed awl ... looks nice.
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01:47 < brownies> ah, this is looking decent, now that i installed some scripts.
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02:21 < strangewarp> Huh. Bill Clinton is vegan now.
02:21 < strangewarp> That's cool.
02:22 < strangewarp> Makes sense, really, if he's trying to compensate for years of fast food abuse...
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07:38 < chris_99> do you guys think this actually works - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2194220/Campaigners-slam-legal-pill-lets-drink-pints-beer-pass-breathalyser-test.html
07:39 < chris_99> (i think it's a terrible idea mind)
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08:30 <@kanzure> boop
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10:15 < chris_99> just ordered some parts to make a magnetic stirrer :)
10:18 < Lucas__> boop
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10:21 < Lucas__> what's going on guys?
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10:27 < archels> doing science, what else?
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10:47 < delinquentme> http://medgadget.com/2012/08/microflow-device-headed-to-the-final-frontier-to-help-keep-astronauts-healthy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Medgadget+%28Medgadget%29&utm_content=FaceBook
10:48 < Lucas__> nice
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11:05 <@kanzure> stop reading news articles
11:05 <@kanzure> delinquentme: it does damage to your brain
11:06 < delinquentme> this is fawlse!
11:06 <@kanzure> read digikey catalogs instead, or something
11:06 <@kanzure> jeeze.
11:07 < delinquentme> kanzure, i need a pretty potentiometer
11:08 < delinquentme> also have this issue where I found a really cool looking one .. but its like a 16 LED pot
11:08 < delinquentme> https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/images/products/1/0/5/9/5/Action_Shot-01.jpg
11:08 < delinquentme> dis right?
11:08 < delinquentme> would look really swanky
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11:13 < archels> hah, what would that not be overkill for?
11:15 < chris_99> heh, what do you need that for delinquentme
11:15 < delinquentme> chris_99, so I'd love to have that indicate like 4 settings
11:16 < delinquentme> and IDK ... what would be REALLY cool is to have the led that the current pot value is set at to be at 100%
11:17 < delinquentme> and then dim the LEDs to the sides of it at like 50%
11:17 < delinquentme> really I just need a 4way pot
11:17 < chris_99> what do you mean by 4 way?
11:17 < delinquentme> well .. I only need to switch between 4 values
11:17 < chris_99> oh right
11:17 < delinquentme> so actually I could totally buy that and just do that in code
11:17 < chris_99> yeah just with ADC
11:18 < delinquentme> ADC?
11:18 < archels> They make good old fashioned 4-way rotary switches, you know.
11:18 < chris_99> Analogue digital converter
11:18 < delinquentme> archels, yeah sure but they're not adding to the aesthetic
11:19 < delinquentme> chris_99, I was thinking just reading the value ... like 4 of those values could correspond to 1 particular setting
11:19 < delinquentme> I wonder if the physical pot has clicks to it ... I'd expect it would
11:19 < archels> more stuff which can break.
11:19 < chris_99> yeah, but you're gonna have to convert voltage to digital value aren't you
11:19 < delinquentme> Oh thats easy
11:20 < archels> In case you hadn't figured it out yet, this is not a potentiometer, it's a rotary encoder.
11:21 < chris_99> yeah, that's why i'm saying you need an ADC delinquentme
11:21 < chris_99> in the mcu
11:21 < chris_99> oh
11:21 < delinquentme> archels, the ring is an encoder ... but the pot controls the ring
11:21 < delinquentme> and the encoder ( w the LEDs ) gives the visual feedback that i'd love to have
11:23 < chris_99> it'd be even cooler if all the leds lit up say green, and just one was red
11:23 < archels> The thing in the middle, with the knob, is not a potentiometer. It's an encoder.
11:24 < archels> (Sometimes known as "digital potentiometer".)
11:24 < delinquentme> archels, it sounds like you're digging into EE stuff
11:24 < delinquentme> it gives me a value relative to where the knob is
11:24 < delinquentme> right?
11:24 < delinquentme> abstractions are good
11:25 < archels> no, it gives you a signal when someone turns it.
11:25 < archels> Unless it's really advanced and has an I2C interface or such, but usually they're just quadrature encoders.
11:25 < archels> Go for the 4-way rotatry switch. Save yourself a lot of money and time. ;)
11:26 < delinquentme> archels, are you *dead* positive on this
11:26 < delinquentme> because you're about to mess up a number of models I've got in my head
11:26 < delinquentme> encoders are normally for MEASURING inputs
11:26 < delinquentme> pots are for giving inputs
11:26 < archels> Don't take it from a random guy on IRC, read the datasheet.
11:27 < archels> Yes, it's measuring the input provided by rotating the shaft.
11:27 < delinquentme> thats what the thing with the LEDs is doing
11:27 < delinquentme> yes
11:27 < delinquentme> and the thing that you'd physicall grab is a pot
11:27 < delinquentme> right?
11:28 < archels> What? The LEDs is just a display thingy, it's complete independent of the actual input device.
11:28 < archels> http://www.circuitsathome.com/mcu/reading-rotary-encoder-on-arduino
11:29 < delinquentme> actually either will work just fine
11:29 < delinquentme> if its an encoder thats cool
11:29 < archels> Yes, but if it has 16 feelable 'clicks' when you only have 4 options, that's very confusing.
11:31 < delinquentme> I wonder if a 4 way encoder could be placed in there
11:31 < delinquentme> and just tell the LEDs how to behave relative to that
11:32 < archels> You're not going to find a 4-way encoder. Just get a switch. And four separate LEDs if you want eyecandy.
11:34 < chris_99> what are you making btw delinquentme?
11:35 < archels> (alternatively, one or two pushbuttons to select the option, and four LEDs to indicate which option is active)
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11:42 < delinquentme> back
11:42 < delinquentme> have installing in windoez to do
11:47 < delinquentme> so archels is that doable?
11:47 < delinquentme> just throw in a 4 way clicky encoder
11:47 < archels> < archels> You're not going to find a 4-way encoder. Just get a switch. And four separate LEDs if you want eyecandy.
11:47 < archels>  < archels> (alternatively, one or two pushbuttons to select the option, and four LEDs to indicate which option is active)
11:48 < delinquentme> O_o
11:48 < delinquentme> i own 2 4 way encoders
11:48 < delinquentme> grey code encoders
11:49 < archels> rotary? Probably uses sweep contacts instead of optics.
11:51 < delinquentme> if encode_read == 00  {} else if encode_read == 10 else if encode_read == 11 else if encode_read == 01
11:51 < delinquentme> and if the LEDs are individuall adressable
11:51 < delinquentme> turn them on in accordance
11:51 < archels> probably.
11:52 < delinquentme> only issue is that it will continue to spin past the min / max
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13:44 <@kanzure> nmz787: hi
13:53 <@kanzure> hmm https://github.com/cortesi/mitmproxy/tree/master/examples
13:59 <@kanzure> in html5 is the canvas arc x/y starting at the center of the arc or is it the initial coordinate of the arc's path?
14:08 < nmz787> hi
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15:16 < loanshark> hello
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15:27 <@kanzure> hi.
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15:38 < loanshark> how are you kanzure?
15:44 <@kanzure> nmz787: another one.. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jywarren/public-lab-diy-spectrometry-kit
15:44 <@kanzure> oh this is just the http://publiclaboratory.org/tool/spectrometer one.. i see
15:44 < nmz787> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/08/27/the-hidden-truths-about-calories/
15:44 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4439127
15:45 < nmz787> kanzure: yeah i've commented on the hackernews thread
15:45 <@kanzure> oh i see you're already on tha-
15:45 <@kanzure> right ok.
15:45 <@kanzure> these are some ok books: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4440822
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15:50 < nmz787> "In addition, some microbes are found only in particular peoples where they appear to play a unique role. In some Japanese populations there exists a gut microbe that has stolen genes from a marine bacterium; those genes help the bacterium to break down seaweed (such as that encountered in sushi rolls). "
15:50 < nmz787> cool
15:52 < Mokstar> in US populations there's a microbe that's evolved to break down otherwise indigestible hamburgers from McDonalds.
15:53 < jrayhawk> hee
15:53 < Mokstar> (that was a joke, btw)
15:54 < Mokstar> (no such bacterium has evolved, and the indigestible fragments of McDonald's hamburgers remain a significant problem for wastewater treatment operations)
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15:58 < jrayhawk> "As predicted, mice lost more than four grams of weight on raw sweet potatoes, but gained weight when given cooked sweet potatoes (whether or not they were pounded)." "The mice lost 2 grams of body mass on raw meat but just 1 gram on cooked meat. In retrospect this does not seem surprising. Heat denatures proteins and makes them easier to digest." uh... toxins and micronutrients matter, guys
15:58 < jrayhawk> this writer was almost doing okay up until that point!
15:59 < jrayhawk> and the effects of food on gut flora profile, of course
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16:05 < jrayhawk> "In this light, we would do well to eat fewer processed foods and more raw ones. This is not a novel insight (Such foods, after all, tend to have more nutrients such as B vitamins, phytonutrients and minerals and so are good for reasons having nothing to do with counting calories)." aaaaaaa
16:05 < jrayhawk> okay, note to self: never read news links in here
16:10 <@kanzure> yep.. i think we should ban news links
16:11 <@kanzure> invariably someone will get excited about some really cool technology, and then never ever use it or make it work or follow up
16:12 < nmz787> jrayhawk: not sure why you note not to read news links
16:12 < Mokstar> I'm really sad about the blue morpho butterfly display technology
16:13 < nmz787> jrayhawk: it was longwinded, but not bad
16:14 < jrayhawk> his entire premise is stupid and the conclusion is even stupider
16:21 < nmz787> i dont think its stupid to assume most people dont realize that stuff
16:22 < nmz787> its stupid to assume most people are smart
16:22 < nmz787> bbl
16:22 < jrayhawk> humans do not eat to a set number of calories unless they're neurotic control freaks; they eat to satiety. manipulation of weight through caloric restriction is almost always pathogenic, not healthy. cooking makes nutrients more bioavailable, not less. cooking decreases toxin load, not increases. this 'raw food' recommendation is a good way to kill more people.
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16:22 < jrayhawk> there's a few interesting nuggets of value in this, but they're overwhelmed by an inept narrative.
16:23 < jrayhawk> until we give up on calories as the dominant paradigm in weight management, we will not be any good at weight management
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16:30 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: do you think we could make arrangements to host openwetware.org?
16:31 <@kanzure> this is maybe 5% serious
16:31 < jrayhawk> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19209185 if you feed a 5000-6000 calorie-a-day non-inflammatory diet to sedentary standard american dieteers, they will *still* lose weight
16:32 < jrayhawk> kanzure: that's probably fine. if it needs a new vserver, verify with bart that it's okay
16:32 <@kanzure> hrrm i sort of meant in terms of resources
16:33 < jrayhawk> oh, yeah, we can probably deal with whatever
16:33 < jrayhawk> how many terabytes is it
16:33 <@kanzure> prolly less than 2
16:35 <@kanzure> openwetware.org seems sort of like a headless corpse
16:35 <@kanzure> so i just need to find juul and confirm with him that endy doesn't hate me
16:35 <@kanzure> *hate me yet
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16:37 < brownies> jrayhawk: what should the standard paradigm be?
16:38 < jrayhawk> inflammation seems to be the most important one at this point
16:39 < jrayhawk> mind you inflammation interrelates with oxidative stress and thyroid downregulation
16:39 < jrayhawk> and interrelates with cortisol management
16:40 <@kanzure> wtf is "resoleomics"
16:40 < jrayhawk> it's sort of at the center of everything; whether you want to consider 'cortisol management' as a subset of 'inflammation management' can make things a lot more complicated
16:41 < jrayhawk> but yes, going hypocaloric against a homeostatic 'set point' actually worsens that set point due to the body perceiving it as a stress
16:42 < jrayhawk> i am trying to find a study about hypocaloric diet termination bounce-back resulting in a worse place than where you started
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16:48 < jrayhawk> ah "yo-yo dieting" is the term i want
16:48 < jrayhawk> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13548500600621545
16:48 < brownies> jrayhawk: yeah, that does make sense. hypocaloric diet would (intuitively) trigger fat storage
16:51 < jrayhawk> anyway, if you want to study the mechanisms, searching around on 'leptin resistance' will get you a good start, and 'zonulin' is the most shockingly concise culprit in modern disease.
16:51 <@kanzure> i get 403 forbidden on http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13548500600621545
16:51 < jrayhawk> oh
16:51 < jrayhawk> fffff
16:52 <@kanzure> i also don't see any available copies: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=4440451723499008476&hl=en&as_sdt=0,44
16:52 <@kanzure> however "Caloric restriction experience reprograms stress and orexigenic pathways and promotes binge eating" cites it and has a pdf..
16:52 <@kanzure> http://champagnelab.psych.columbia.edu/docs/cate5.pdf
16:53 < jrayhawk> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=yo-yo+diet eh
16:53 < brownies> but on the other hand, caloric restriction is one of the only documented/proven methods of life extension
16:53 < brownies> so... eat less, and you'll become very old and very angry?
16:53 < jrayhawk> documented/proven in rodents
16:53 < brownies> jrayhawk: fair.
16:53  * Mokstar jams a pair of white LEDs in his ears.
16:54 < jrayhawk> rodents are not good models for this; they have very short very sexually active lives
16:55 < jrayhawk> evolution appears to have made a hyperthyroid/lifespan tradeoff to increase proliferation and genetic turnover in rodents
16:55 < brownies> so they are a good model if you are a rock star, but not otherwise? ;)
16:55 < jrayhawk> haha
16:55 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
16:55  * kanzure cracks the whip
16:56 <@kanzure> oh i forgot about this odd one "Orally delivered siRNA targeting macrophage Map4k4 suppresses systemic inflammation"
16:56 < jrayhawk> sometimes tumors or hashimotos causes hyperthyroidism, but obviously there are confounders in studying that
16:56 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/Orally%20delivered%20siRNA%20targeting%20macrophage%20Map4k4%20suppresses%20systemic%20inflammation.pdf
16:57 <@kanzure> macrophage-induced sort of limits the relevance
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17:00 <@kanzure> i need a better way to organize all that stuff
17:01 < loanshark> apart from measuring the concentration of DNA and RNA in a sample, what else can you use spectrometry for regarding genetic engineering? just curious
17:01 <@kanzure> fluorescence
17:01 <@kanzure> spectral protein property stuff
17:02 < jrayhawk> oh, yeah, and i guess 'daily and seasonal circadian rhythm management' may be a subset of 'cortisol management' may be a subset of 'inflammation management', depending on how liberal you want to get with how you conceptualize these things
17:02 < loanshark> cool
17:02 < loanshark> ok
17:02 < loanshark> umm
17:02 < loanshark> afk
17:14 <@kanzure> http://requirejs.org/docs/whyamd.html
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17:21 <@kanzure> tashoutang: hi. thanks for the help with baidu yesterday. :)
17:21 <@kanzure> tashoutang: what do you think? http://i-nobel.com/
17:21 < tashoutang> OK
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17:21 < tashoutang> moning @K
17:22 < tashoutang> Denied
17:22 < tashoutang> access denied
17:23 <@kanzure> oh oops
17:23 <@kanzure> http://www.i-nobel.com/bbs/
17:26 <@kanzure> although i get errors like "该版块设置了限制积分访问，以下积分为访问该版块需要的最低积分要求"
17:27 < tashoutang> mmm....
17:27 < tashoutang> so do you need the points?
17:27 <@kanzure> i guess so. interesting.
17:27 <@kanzure> not sure :)
17:27 < tashoutang> i-nobel...a company
17:28 <@kanzure> it's a company?
17:29 < tashoutang> it registration ....Ah, maybe you can use the WHOIS to find out its registration tel.... and E-mail address
17:29 <@kanzure> i have had an account for >6 months
17:29 <@kanzure> i think they want you to purchase "forum gold"
17:29 <@kanzure> or "bbs gold"
17:29 < tashoutang> yeah
17:29 < tashoutang> kind of business model
17:30 < tashoutang> well, I start to get on that forum
17:30 < tashoutang> if you are interestred in bbs and IRC
17:30 < tashoutang> maybe you can use qq
17:30 <@kanzure> sure
17:30 < brownies> kanzure: you're using requirejs?
17:31 <@kanzure> yes i use qq
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17:31 <@kanzure> tashoutang: my qq is 2302976763
17:32 <@kanzure> brownies: no but i would like to be a better person and i think that involves requirejs/commonjs
17:32 < tashoutang> I lost my qq acount about one year ago
17:33 <@kanzure> when i log into qq i get an error "尊敬的用户，您的QQ版本已经停止使用" so i will have to update my software i think
17:35 < tashoutang> right, that is exactly the word said
17:35 <@kanzure> ah
17:35 <@kanzure> good
17:35 < tashoutang> wow, your chinese is somehow very good....
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17:36 <@kanzure> because drugs
17:37 < tashoutang> do you have any dictionary "on line" such as "You Dao"?
17:37 < tashoutang> drugs???
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17:38 <@kanzure> tashoutang: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/益智药
17:38 <@kanzure> oops http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9B%8A%E6%99%BA%E8%8D%AF
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17:38 <@kanzure> oh, that is a short article
17:39 <@kanzure> well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropics is better.
17:39 < brownies> kanzure: we're using requirejs. it's a bit of jackassery but i think it's not bad overall.
17:39 < brownies> i go back and forth on that opinion btw. it's very borderline.
17:40 <@kanzure> it looks sort of like overhead but also like the sort of thing i'd like if i was pumping out js libraries
17:40 < brownies> if you have other non-optional JS libs that break $.ready (because, yes, that is a thing that they do...) then you can't use requirejs
17:40 < tashoutang> morning , brownies
17:40 < brownies> hello tashoutang
17:40 < tashoutang> :)
17:40 < brownies> kanzure: yeah, i'm sure our code would be much more of a clusterfuck without it. you need *some* sort of dependency management for any non-trivial codebase
17:41 < brownies> kanzure: so at this point it's either (1) requireJS, or (2) get rid of requireJS and write some sort of dependency manager/loader in Ruby
17:41 < brownies> laziness compels us to stay with option #1
17:41 <@kanzure> #2 sounds like work
17:41 <@kanzure> yes
17:42 <@kanzure> so why do all these chinese websites look like sketchy/scammy domains
17:42 <@kanzure> h737.com, m0033.com, 88879.com, vn008.com.. i feel like i'm going to get a virus just by reading their names
17:44 < joshcryer> wait you know chinese?
17:45 <@kanzure> i know nothing!
17:45  * kanzure hides
17:46 < tashoutang> joshcryer: @K is good in Chinese...
17:46 < joshcryer> http://pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html/
17:46 < joshcryer> I'm staying far far away :P
17:47 < joshcryer> rather than learn chinese after I learn spanish I'm learning lojban
17:48 < tashoutang> well, if you get a chance to learn Chinese in Taiwan or the mainland China, and if you met a beautiful girl friend, I think you may handle this kind of language in 2~3 years...
17:48 < joshcryer> hehe :)
17:48 < joshcryer> I would learn Chinese for a beautiful girlfriend in TW or CN.
17:49 < tashoutang> well, the same logic, I would learn Spainish in Spain if I met a beautiful Spnish girl....
17:50 < tashoutang> OK
17:50 < joshcryer> :)
17:50 < tashoutang> @K and bro: so you are using Ruby to compile the C language?
17:51 < tashoutang> and use some modulized tools to construct a website/database....
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17:53 < brownies> o.O
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17:55 < ParahSailin_> 8 is a superspecial number to chinese
17:55 <@kanzure> brownies: don't laugh at him :)
17:56 <@kanzure> tashoutang: no. but, yes i do make websites. i do use ruby and i do use c. but not together like that, no.
17:56 < tashoutang> OK
17:56 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: i thought that was 'bai'
17:56 < tashoutang> 發
17:57 < ParahSailin_> well 88 sounds like baibai
17:57 < tashoutang> haha yeah
17:57 < ParahSailin_> normally 8 is just the lucky number
17:58 < tashoutang> OK start today's anatomy studying... see you, guys:)
17:58  * brownies facepalms at latest customer support request
17:58 < brownies> "I don't really know how to use (your software), can you help?"
18:00 < ParahSailin_> chinese has a 博大精深 tradition of making puns with numbers
18:02 <@kanzure> ParahSailin_: so i was thinking of a chinese translation of the diybio faq or something
18:02 <@kanzure> also it looks like the chinese wikipedia article on nootropics is essentially blank
18:04 < ParahSailin_> i think google translate does a better job translating english to chinese than vice versa
18:05 < ParahSailin_> translation to chinese is kinda like a lossy compression algo
18:06 <@kanzure> on the other hand, i suppose most people with an interest in molecular meddling will just bother to learn some english
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18:54 <@kanzure> alusion: hi
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22:05 < nmz787> jrayhawk: i like this one http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html
22:05 < nmz787> the take away is i learned a new possibly-good-for-your-immune-system parasite name
22:06 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichuris_suis
22:06 <@kanzure> hmm
22:07 <@kanzure> https://blog.gregbrockman.com/2012/08/system-design-stripe-capture-the-flag/
22:07 <@kanzure> so it was phantomjs after all
22:07 < brownies> good ol' phantomjs
22:08 <@kanzure> "Giving UNIX users random names (and using mod_userdir as a routing layer) served as a convenient access-control mechanism. We assigned CTF solvers a level URL such as https://level01-2.stripe-ctf.com/user-iqrncaxifi, which was backed by a UNIX user with name user-iqrncaxifi. To prevent people from discovering other users, we set permissions on /etc/passwd and /etc/group to 600."
22:09 <@kanzure> "It turns out that this makes some software a bit sad (e.g. bash can’t fill in the username in your shell prompt, and Python can’t load the site module), but for the most part those can be worked around."
22:09 <@kanzure> "One issue with the UNIX user approach is actually creating the accounts. It turns out that adduser by default does a linear scan through all possible user IDs, and effectively grinds to a halt once you have lots of users on a system."
22:09 <@kanzure> "If you pass it a uid and gid directly, it runs in about 500ms, which still isn’t fast enough for on-demand allocation. Hence we maintained a central database of UNIX users and preallocated 1000 users per box."
22:12 < nmz787> ?
22:13 < nmz787> hmm
22:13 < nmz787> so whats the exploit
22:13 < nmz787> is there some exploit in adduser by making it grind to a halt?
22:13 <@kanzure> no it just means their site would be slow
22:13 <@kanzure> which is unacceptable when you're under high load
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22:14 <@kanzure> it looks like they have 6400 users on their system (at least; there's probably another 6000 that couldn't solve level 0)
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22:46 < jrayhawk> well, at least the sorta touch on gut flora restoration
22:48 < jrayhawk> s/the/they
22:49 < nmz787> mm
22:54 < jrayhawk> the hygeine hypothesis is sooooorta useful if you conceptualize it as gut flora turnover rather than the retarded "oh our immune system just needs something to attack" narrative you usually see
23:00 < tashoutang> fuch Anatomy
23:00 < tashoutang> fuck
23:02 < jrayhawk> guts on a westernized diet have a really hard time dealing with dietary changes and recovering from antibiotic use due to how sterile the food is
23:10 < jrayhawk> but yes, that article is almost good. it makes the connection between autism and a pile of other autoimmune disorders, mentions the inflammation-free ancestral past, the inflammation-lessened recent past, and comes up with a plausible-sounding hypothesis
23:16 < nmz787> that worm is cool
23:16 < nmz787> i like tidbits like that
23:16 < nmz787> fenn: you around?
23:17 < nmz787> fenn: i wonder how flat that discountsteel aluminum was
23:17 < nmz787> fenn: there is no spec, like the thorlabs optical plates have
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