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00:14 < nmz787> helicos sequencer patent... http://www.google.com/patents?id=TfEAAgAAEBAJ
00:14 < nmz787> cites "Composite beverage coaster", new meme... "DNA sequencer technology hinges on 'Composite beverage coaster'"
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08:40 <@kanzure> hi hifrog
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08:54 < hifrog> hi hi
08:54 < hifrog> are you guys doing any neurofeedback experiments?
08:57 <@kanzure> not at the moment. are you working at backyardbrains.com?
08:59 < alusion> Evening gentlemen
08:59 < hifrog> oh, not yet...
08:59 < hifrog> i'm more into cognitive science rly... eeg and such
08:59 < hifrog> o/
09:00 <@kanzure> eeg is bullshit
09:01 < hifrog> haha
09:01 < hifrog> as you wish
09:01 <@kanzure> direct electrode contact is much better
09:02  * kanzure reads http://www.seriesseed.com/
09:02 < hifrog> O_o
09:03  * hifrog prefers his skull in one piece
09:03 <@kanzure> wimp.
09:03 < alusion> Does anyone have a recommended device / treatment for TDCS?
09:04 <@kanzure> tdcs isn't that precise. i suggest ultrasound instead.
09:04 < hifrog> flowstateengaged.com will be the first low cost device from what i can tell... if that's what you want...
09:04 <@kanzure> that was just a marketing stunt as far as i can tell
09:04 <@kanzure> so, bullshit
09:05 < hifrog> not rly, they had problems with the fda
09:05 < alusion> o__o Cost isn't much of an issue here..
09:05 < alusion> Results are more important.
09:05 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/
09:06 < alusion> Thanks ^_^ I'll have a look through. Are there any programs in effect currently today?
09:06 <@kanzure> programs?
09:07 < alusion> procedures
09:07 <@kanzure> what?
09:07 < alusion> Nvm I will read on it first.
09:08 < alusion> I was thinking it might of been similar to TDCS but now you don't need to go anywhere as there are homebrew systems and devices out there
09:09 <@kanzure> your words don't make sense
09:09 <@kanzure> you can homebrew anything that you see schematics for
09:09 <@kanzure> and you can also draw your own schematics
09:14 < alusion> Sorry if I may not be as seasoned as you. I lack the hands on experience. Thanks for the info though I will surely have a look.
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11:07 < delinquentme> best way to send a file ~2gb in size?
11:07 < delinquentme> drop box?
11:12 <@kanzure> kicksend might take files that big
11:19 < chris_99> this is pretty nifty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chua%27s_circuit
11:19 < nmz787> delinquentme: I would use SCP
11:20 < nmz787> but I guess it depends on who your recipient is, and if they know how to use that
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11:23 < Sanky_> rsync?
11:31 < chris_99> moonbounce?
11:32 < nmz787> DVD in USPO
12:03 < Sanky_> MicroSD over IPoAC
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12:26 < chris_99> is this BS http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2194220/Campaigners-slam-legal-pill-lets-drink-pints-beer-pass-breathalyser-test.html?ito=feeds-newsxml ?
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12:38 <@kanzure> stop reading dailymail
12:38 <@kanzure> holy crap guys.
12:38 <@kanzure> i'm pretty sure it's well known on the internets that everyone is supposed to blacklist dailymail.co.uk
12:38 < EnLilaSko> Do you actually mean journalists just write shit? The horror!
12:39 < chris_99> heh, i thought it was interesting though
12:39 < chris_99> if it works
12:39 < Utopiah> <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx7nS7_Kf7E  Walking paper
12:39 < EnLilaSko> chris_99: You should be able to google and find the real paper (study) if you're interested
12:40 < chris_99> from my little googling i don't think there is one
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12:52 < chris_99> how many years do patents last, is it around 15 years?
12:56 < chris_99> ah, 20 apparently for the UK and US
13:09 <@kanzure> but their damage lasts forever
13:10 < chris_99> heh
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13:11 < chris_99> i was just looking for patents which are expiring
13:18 < chris_99> just found this if anyones into image recognition-y stuff - http://www.edwardrosten.com/work/fast.html
13:18 < chris_99> gonna port it to Java
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13:24 < brownies> looks nice, though, from that sample screenshot, it's... not the most accurate thing in the world
13:26 < archels> that's terrible
13:26 < chris_99> know anything better archels?
13:27 < archels> I don't have any specific names for you, but I know that there is a ton of stuff out there that is at least as good.
13:27 < archels> There's a big library backed by IBM or some big corporation... C++ I think.
13:27 < archels> lots to choose from, anyway.
13:28 < chris_99> hmm, i've tried the moravec one, but that seemed too slow
13:30 < archels> What's the application? What do you need?
13:30 < chris_99> oh, i'm trying to recognise polygons
13:30 < chris_99> in any orientation
13:31 < archels> In 3D?
13:33 < chris_99> well from a photo
13:34 < archels> Wonder if there's any code out there for an hierarchical neural network that does something like this.
13:37 < chris_99> hmm, i think SVMs are a bit more popular now than neural nets from what i've been told, for this kind of stuff
13:37 < chris_99> but then i'd have to train it right
13:38 < strangewarp> http://amormundi.blogspot.com/2012/08/an-open-letter-to-robot-cultists.html - So this piece by Dale Carrico is being posted all over every otherwise decent lefty blog, and it's making me facepalm so hard, because he's trying to turn the Left against transhumanism by framing it as a religious cult that causes pollution and opposes social justice..
13:39 <@kanzure> strangewarp: stop reading blogs! blah
13:39 <@kanzure> also stop reading anything by dale carrico
13:39 < hankx7787> also stop being a leftist
13:39 < strangewarp> Dale Carrico, also known as "the guy who bans reasonable transhumanists from his blog and deletes their comments instead of responding to their arguments"
13:39 <@kanzure> so, dale has a long history of just trolling transhumanists, he's really not worth bothering with..
13:39 < strangewarp> He's becoming a lefty celebrity and it's making me hate everyone
13:40 <@kanzure> strangewarp: how about reading other blogs instead
13:41 <@kanzure> less political?
13:41 < strangewarp> Like, if he were using Slavoj Zizek's criticism of transhumanism, which boils down to "this stuff will happen and it will probably be good, but it requires critical discourse in order to not be co-opted by oppressors", that'd be fine.. but Carrico is just /so vacuous/
13:41 < strangewarp> I've been meaning to cut down on political blogs, yes
13:42 < brownies> you want to recognize polygons in a 2D photo?
13:42 < brownies> why not start with edge detection instead of corner detection?
13:43 <@kanzure> strangewarp: they aren't going to make tech happen by having sufficiently eye-watering prose or discourse/debates/things
13:43 < strangewarp> indeed
13:46 < chris_99> because corners are more useful than edges brownies from what i can tell
13:50 < nmz787> chris_99: did you try the hough lines transform yet?
13:51 < chris_99> i haven't tried that as it seems too intensive
13:51 < nmz787> and that squares example is likely just using the hough transform and find vertices (corners)
13:51 < nmz787> its not
13:51 < chris_99> squares example?
13:51 < nmz787> it should easily run at 60 - 100 FPS on a 600-100MHz android phone with opencv
13:52 < nmz787> 600-1000*
13:52 < nmz787> yeah squares.c and the equivalent android example code
13:52 < nmz787> i linked to it the last time we talked about this
13:53 <@kanzure> "language immersion for chrome" https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bedbecnakfcpmkpddjfnfihogkaggkhl/details
13:53 < chris_99> oh yeah, i remember now
13:54 < nmz787> anyone here of fritz hollings? http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/707684/posts
13:56 < nmz787> heard he was a senator that was against letting general computers connect to the internet
13:57 < nmz787> kanzure: maybe we should port diyhpl.us wiki to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet_Project
13:57 <@kanzure> that sounds terrible
13:59 <@kanzure> i'd prefer to not have to run a vm to edit a wiki
13:59 <@kanzure> or view it
14:00 < chris_99> would a reprap be able to make a key do you guys think?
14:02 < nmz787> lol
14:02 <@kanzure> if you don't get a good answer in here you can also try #reprap
14:02 < nmz787> kanzure: my mom sort of did that kind of immersion when i was a kid with post-it notes on common household objects
14:02 < nmz787> i think they were in spanish
14:02 <@kanzure> haha is that really what immersion is?
14:03 <@kanzure> i thought immersion is "leave nathan in the middle of some spanish city in the middle of nowhere"
14:03 < nmz787> well you posted the chrome link
14:03 <@kanzure> sure, sure..
14:03 < nmz787> but yes full immersion is better
14:03 < nmz787> i learned thai and nepali pretty damn fast
14:03 < nmz787> well, sortof
14:04 < nmz787> the food and numbers at least, and beginning reading
14:04 <@kanzure> food and numbers is all you need
14:04 < nmz787> grammar sucks in indian languages
14:04 < nmz787> worse than romance langs
14:05 < nmz787> do we know this guy http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRobert_Sapolsky&ei=PRw9UOmJIIHn6wG4yIGABA&usg=AFQjCNHh0puntjz3SxCGPC8XhgRrufz-dQ&sig2=HVr9MeQVVoCwQXnXI_AJeQ
14:05 < nmz787> fuckin chrome
14:05 < nmz787> 'copy link address'
14:05 < nmz787> not what i wanted google!
14:05 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sapolsky
14:05 < nmz787> i guess its not chrome's fault
14:05 < nmz787> but it is google's
14:05 <@kanzure> google's fault :(
14:05 <@kanzure> no i don't know of him
14:06 <@kanzure> "By age 12, he was writing fan letters to primatologists" well that's unusual
14:06 < nmz787> supposedly his videos on biology are gold
14:06 < nmz787> or prob anything
14:06 < nmz787> this is going to be my new newb first response
14:07 <@kanzure> hm?
14:07 <@kanzure> oh his videos
14:07 < nmz787> watch those vids
14:07 < nmz787> hopefully he's not actually crazy
14:07 < nmz787> in a bad way
14:07 <@kanzure> he seems to have something on edge.org.. so he checks out. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bios/sapolsky.html
14:08 < nmz787> kanzure: i checked out laser_etcher, but it wont let me check in
14:08 <@kanzure> what does it say?
14:08 < nmz787> using stupid windows tortoiseGit or git cmd line
14:09 < nmz787> fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported
14:09 <@kanzure> git remote -vvv
14:09 <@kanzure> oh if it's tortoisegit then you will have to configure it with your public key or password
14:09 < nmz787> origin fetch, origin push
14:09 < nmz787> diyhpl.us/lsaer_etcher.git
14:09 <@kanzure> git:// wont work for pushing, you'll have to use nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher.git
14:10 < nmz787> so from /laser_etcher
14:10 < nmz787> what do i type
14:10 <@kanzure> git remote set-url origin nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/laser_etcher.git
14:10 <@kanzure> git push origin master
14:10 < nmz787> ok
14:11 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 208601c added my online chat with edmund optics tech support on 27-aug-2012
14:11 <@kanzure> neat
14:13 < gnusha> laser_etcher.git: 140304b make the chat render with <pre> for now
14:13 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/chat_with_edmund_optics/
14:16 <@kanzure> it's a bit strange that they have a support staff sitting around to talk about optics math
14:16 <@kanzure> i mean, over the web
14:20 < nmz787> yes, from 8pm sunday to 6pm friday
14:21 < nmz787> very neat
14:21 <@kanzure> maybe i should write a bot and we can just pipe hplusroadmap into their chat system
14:21 <@kanzure> at least it would give them something to do
14:22 < nmz787> that would be pretty cool
14:22 < nmz787> .optics bot
14:22 < nmz787> .optics what lens do I need to do X
14:23 < nmz787> you should only pipe to one chat session
14:23 < nmz787> and only pipe when their name is called
14:24 <@kanzure> i guess this could also work for reagent suppliers
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14:47 < eudoxia> strangewarp: hey, I kind of like Dale
14:47 < eudoxia> he may be an asshole, but he gets some things right, and in any case asshole is better than another Terasem/PRAISE TIPLER tool
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15:01 < strangewarp> eudoxia: Point ceded, but he's just so /shrill/ sometimes
15:03 < strangewarp> And Carrico opposes those who are in opposition to imperial mindsets, if they whiff of being pro-tech at all... Same bullshit different day, I guess, so far as the fragmentation of the left is concerned
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15:12 < eudoxia> imperial mindsets?
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15:15 < strangewarp> The new imperialism, which brushes non-straight, non-white, non-English-speaking perspectives under the rug, or makes them subservient to ultra-nationalism (e.g. the whole DADT thing)
15:19 < Mokstar> wait, I thought we were being assaulted by multiculturalism
15:19 < Mokstar> which is it?
15:21 < strangewarp> I think only some portions of Reddit believe that ;)
15:22 < eudoxia> I didn't know he opposed that
15:22 < eudoxia> I thought he was just a, um, well rounded leftist?
15:22 < strangewarp> Shrug, he is
15:24 < strangewarp> I read the blog of a person who had a pretty bad argument with Carrico over his willingness to oppose pro-tech anti-imperialists, which terminated in Carrico banning them from his blog
15:24 < eudoxia> but I thought the left was against opposing non-straight non-whites
15:24 < Mokstar> I'm only a revolutionary because I think it's the only way for my family to change its position in the social hierarchy.  I do not seek to eliminate social hierarchy, only to put myself in a better position and then defend my position from future revolutionaries with the same idea.
15:24 < eudoxia> the guy's all P2P and stuff, that's pretty democratic
15:25 < AdrianG> thx for ur honesty mok
15:25 < AdrianG> i will destroy u!
15:25 < strangewarp> He's P2P, but I think the P2P style of thinking only has real potential when combined with futurism
15:26 < brownies> o.O
15:26 < brownies> a peer-to-peer style of thinking?
15:26 < eudoxia> can someone be P2P and pro-imperialism?
15:26 < strangewarp> brownies: peer-production communalism stuff
15:27 < strangewarp> eudoxia: I'm not saying he's pro-imperialist; he isn't. I'm just saying he's willing to hold his nose and bash on you for being pro-tech if you're a pro-tech anti-imperialist. :p
15:27 < brownies> ahh i see
15:27 < AdrianG> p2p cant work
15:27 < eudoxia> let me re-read the logs for a sec
15:27 < AdrianG> resources are not easily transferrable
15:27 < AdrianG> only if you have homogenously distributed resources, only then p2p can work.
15:28 < AdrianG> we dont have uranium and gold floating in the air.
15:28 < eudoxia> okay, I get it, he's P2P, but opposes anti-imperialists *if* they have the tiniest h+ leanings
15:28 < strangewarp> eudoxia: bingo
15:28 < eudoxia> oh great I was starting to feel dum
15:28 < strangewarp> AdrianG: I'm unconvinced by that line of argument, but I don't know enough about peer-production to counter it
15:29 < AdrianG> strangewarp: dont be dumb
15:29 < AdrianG> power is all about control.
15:30 < strangewarp> I thought the whole point of peer-production was to make unevenly distributed resources /more/ transferrable..
15:30 < eudoxia> communalism could work if you were willing to limit your resource intake to that which is exclusively locally available
15:31 < Mokstar> communism would work if everybody weren't really just psychotic apes
15:31 < strangewarp> Mokstar: bingo
15:31 < eudoxia> but modern comforts depend upon global resource intake; hospitals need cesium-60 reactors to sterilize things, computers are built from rare earths, etc.
15:32 < AdrianG> strangewarp: you cannot create resources
15:32 < eudoxia> you reintroduce global trade and, well, you're back to square 1
15:32 < AdrianG> you have to mine them.
15:32 < eudoxia> AdrianG: who says mining can't be a highly distributed process (at least for some subset of resources)
15:33 < strangewarp> AdrianG: Yeah, that's a reason I'm skeptical of any stabs at P2P resource-management that don't include some hefty futurism.
15:33 < AdrianG> how do you distribute a mine?
15:33 < ThomasEgi> eudoxia, if your recouce only exists in one or 2 spots.. how will distribute those?
15:33 < eudoxia> for some subset of resources
15:33 < AdrianG> you can distribute mining, but not mines.
15:34 < eudoxia> you can't expect every OSE village to have a uranium mine
15:34 < AdrianG> p2p is unworkable with current tech
15:34 < AdrianG> thats all
15:34 < strangewarp> AdrianG: That may lead to a situation where technologies of abundance are possible, but all resources are owned by a leadership class that thinks only in terms of scarcity. It is one of my greatest fears.
15:35 < AdrianG> strangewarp: u mean liek
15:35 < AdrianG> the world we live in?
15:35 < eudoxia> according to the OSE aluminium can be extracted from clay, but that's about all i found out
15:35 < strangewarp> Depending on the definition of "abundance", it may already have come true-- yeah
15:37 < nmz787> kanzure how do i easily remove the first page of a PDF
15:38 < Mokstar> nmz787: pdftk
15:38 < Mokstar> apt-get install pdftk
15:39 < nmz787> 54 mb req to download!
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15:40 < Mokstar> yeah
15:40 < Mokstar> it's pretty big
15:40 < Mokstar> but it's the bees knees for working with pdf documents
15:42 <@kanzure> nmz787: pdftk
15:42 <@kanzure> oh Mokstar is on it. neat.
15:48 < nmz787> so whats the command to clip a page?
15:49 < Mokstar> not sure
15:50 < Mokstar> you can split pages out
15:50 < Mokstar> Split Select Pages from Multiple PDFs into a New Documentpdftk A=one.pdf B=two.pdf cat A1-7 B1-5 A8 output combined.pdf
15:50 <@kanzure> pdftk myDocument.pdf cat 1-9 26-end output removedPages.pdf
15:52 < Mokstar> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22217-cyborg-tissue-is-half-living-cells-half-electronics.html
15:52 < Mokstar> "smart scaffolds"
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15:55 <@kanzure> stripe has a journal club? hah https://github.com/gdb/stripe-prg/wiki/Papers
15:55 <@kanzure> i guess that makes sense :)
15:58 < nmz787> Mokstar: thanks
15:59 < nmz787> pretty sure I've used that before
16:01 < nmz787> so i found a kit that works for adding DNA to cat cells
16:01 < nmz787> I'm taking orders for glowing cats
16:01 < chris_99> haha
16:02 < chris_99> i'll take a persian please
16:04 <@kanzure> hmm "Advances in magnetofection—magnetically guided nucleic acid delivery"
16:07 <@kanzure> is this like optical trap stuff? except magnetic traps?
16:07 < nmz787> no
16:07 < nmz787> geez
16:08 <@kanzure> 'oscillating magnet arrays'
16:08 < nmz787> add DNA to iron particle, suspend with cells... add magnetic field, particles rip into cells
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16:08 < nmz787> DNA is on particles, thus DNA gets into cell
16:08 < nmz787> oscillating the field just gives more chance of iron:DNA hitting into a cell
16:09 < nmz787> iron : DNA
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16:41 < skorket> Hey everybody
16:48 <@kanzure> hi.
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17:27 < tashoutang> morning
17:27 <@kanzure> avery is offering some plasmids.. "I want to give you FREE PLASMIDS/consumables for producing GFP in e coli."
17:27 <@kanzure> so anyway.. anyone pestering me about glowing things now gets redirected to avery
17:33 < brownies> let me know when he has free glowing kittens
17:37 < strangewarp> let me know when he has glowing humans
17:37 < strangewarp> or possibly glowing kitten humans
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17:51 <@kanzure> armitage81: hi.
17:59 < armitage81> sup
18:01 < Vicarious> Sky, moon etc
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18:12 <@kanzure> looks like amazon is offering an 81% discount on this beast:
18:12 <@kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/OMAX-40X-2000X-Binocular-Microscope-Mechanical/dp/B005LIG4RE/ref=pd_sbs_p_3
18:13 <@kanzure> it doesn't list its NA
18:13 <@kanzure> oh, it does.. "NA1.25 Abbe Condenser with iris diaphragm and filters"
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18:26 < nmz787> this looks worth trying to scrape for stuff http://iwbda2012.csb.pitt.edu/mediawiki/index.php/IWBDA:2012
18:27 <@kanzure> i like how they mispell hackteria as hacteria..
18:27 <@kanzure> "related events: futurelabcamp" uhuh.
18:27 <@kanzure> (mac's thing)
18:28 <@kanzure> "To add yourself to the IWBDA mailing list, please send an email to listserv@lists.umn.edu with a blank subject line, consisting of a single line of text: SUBSCRIBE IWBDA-list Joe Nobody (where Joe Nobody is your name)."
18:28 <@kanzure> oh that was in june, so nevermind
18:29 <@kanzure> nmz787: anyway, there's no need to scrape mediawiki stuff.. there's usually something like this http://iwbda2012.csb.pitt.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Export which exports to an xml format
18:38 < joshcryer> So I found this program that makes my eyes thank me: http://stereopsis.com/flux/
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19:02 < nmz787> joshcryer: i've tried it before
19:02 < nmz787> but not regularly
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19:19 < nmz787> should i actually subscribe to this mag http://pubs.acs.org/toc/asbcd6/1/1
19:19 <@kanzure> is it free?
19:20 < nmz787> hmm, membership is: Undergraduate Student Member $47.00 or $25.00
19:20 < nmz787> ($47.00 includes C&EN, $25.00 includes dues only)
19:20 <@kanzure> no
19:21 < nmz787> i dunno if i would get a paper copy of a mag of my choice
19:21 < nmz787> it would be the synbio
19:21 < nmz787> i could collect em or something
19:21 < nmz787> REAL PAPER INFORMATION
19:21 < nmz787> SYMBOLS ON PROCESSED DEAD TREES
19:25 < nmz787> http://wiki.bu.edu/ece-cidar/index.php/Main_Page
19:44 < nmz787> I'm having a hard time even finding out if I can get that Journal in print
19:44 < nmz787> geez
19:48 < nmz787> sent them a nice email
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21:55 <@kanzure> "Lease your 3d printer for $185/mo" what a strange ad
21:55 <@kanzure> oh i see, they mean "lease a 3d printer" not "give us your 3d printer and we will pay you $185/mo"
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22:48 < skorket> well, my CNC is running.  I've run a few tests with it.  I need to figure out what to do next
22:50 <@kanzure> is your cnc the micro etcher?
22:53 < skorket> I don't know what you mean
22:56 <@kanzure> skorket: were you following along with our project by any chance
22:56 < skorket> yes, a bit
22:56 < skorket> how's that coming?
23:05 <@kanzure> skorket: a jumble of parts. so you have a laser?
23:05 <@kanzure> what patrik's been up to: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=14ZjRT-1Sf7yLKVaShZSakLodVJw2PrnxS-OiGMv8c2w "my pet dinoflagellate"
23:07 < skorket> kanzure, I'm not going for a laser cutter, I'm going to try and route PCBs.  Maybe later I'll play around with laser cutters, but first I'm going to try and get my PCB rig set up
23:07 <@kanzure> ah i see.
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23:37 < delinquentme> OK i missed a message to me
23:37 < delinquentme> I was  being clicky
23:37 < delinquentme> what did I miss
23:37 < skorket> kanzure, what parts have you assembled so far?
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