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00:27 < kanzure> nmz787: well, i certainly don't recommend becoming an alcoholic, if that's what you're asking
00:33 < nmz787> well would regularly drinking 1-3 beers per day be bad?
00:33 < nmz787> i imagine that's pretty low in the context of most abusive situations
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00:34 < nmz787> and i would think that the enzymatic machinery would be present for degrading the more toxic metabolites
00:34 < nmz787> the aldehyde
00:35 < nmz787> i heard alcohol was how people survived in times of bad water
00:35 < nmz787> hmm
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00:39 < nmz787> kanzure: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Neural_Network_Workshop
00:39 < nmz787> kanzure: nnw.tgz doesn't exist anymore :(
00:39 < nmz787> Code at http://www.mindmech.com/nnw.tgz
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00:42 < nmz787> git clone git://ml-noisebridge.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/ml-noisebridge/ml-noisebridge
00:42 < nmz787> might be there
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01:06 < nmz787> tashoutang: are you here?
01:15 < tashoutang> yeah
01:15 < tashoutang> nmz787
01:16 < tashoutang> I am buzy preparing the Lab
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01:16 < tashoutang> cause the new semester will start next week
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02:24 < tashoutang> OK
02:25 < tashoutang> nmz787 what's the matter?:)
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06:13 < ybit> morning internets!
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06:28 < delinquentme> ^^^^
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07:53 < kanzure> brownies: hah i have commits in the yeoman project now :/
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09:14 < brownies> kanzure: haha
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10:05 < delinquentme> OMGGGGGG
10:05 < delinquentme> <3
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10:42 < archels> cybernetics http://www.technologyreview.com/view/429186/first-evidence-of-affine-symmetry-in-hand
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12:26 < nmz787> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22537153?dopt=Abstract
12:26 < nmz787> Chemocentric informatics approach to drug discovery: identification and experimental validation of selective estrogen receptor modulators as ligands of 5-hydroxytryptamine-6 receptors and as potential cognition enhancers.
12:27 < kanzure> so they selected those receptors through some "informatics" work?
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12:28 < nmz787> http://www.broadinstitute.org/cmap/
12:28 < nmz787> they used that for something
12:29 < kanzure> btw have you seen the allen brain institute stuff?
12:31 < nmz787> no
12:31 < kanzure> they have some neat brain expression data and map stuff (tissue scans)
12:32 < chris_99> heh i thought you said 'alien brain institute'
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12:42 < chris_99> does anyone do stereolithography here?
12:44 < kanzure> azonenberg probably has
12:45 < chris_99> cool, i'll give him a shout when he's about.  Just looking at getting a projector for it
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12:46 < kanzure> i think most people use a lamp and a mask, plus lots of unspecified optics
12:46 < chris_99> i've looked @ the lemoncurry thing, and they use a DLP
12:46 < kanzure> lemoncurry is not a standard thing :)
12:46 < chris_99> no i know
12:46 < kanzure> but yes dlp is the way to go. fuck masks.
12:47 < kanzure> i know a postdoc who does lots of masked photolithography who just hates it. he'd be willing to field a few questions if you email them my way.
12:47 < chris_99> cool :)
12:48 < chris_99> i also looked at using a mirror galvanometer setup, but that'd probably be more expensive
12:48 < chris_99> than the projector
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12:57 < nmz787> stereolithography?
12:57 < nmz787> kanzure: why does autodesk give a shit about synbio???
12:57 < nmz787> http://synbiobeta.com/
12:58 < chris_99> nmz787,   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography explains it better than me
13:00 < nmz787> hah
13:00 < nmz787> i know that technique
13:01 < nmz787> but my brain doesn't connect the word stereo with the concepts at all
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13:01 < nmz787> I though SLA stood for Selective Laser Addition or something
13:03 < nmz787> ahh, i guess stereo actually means solid... so that we have stereoscopic vision is  because we can distinguish volume, i guess
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13:04 < nmz787> and stereophonic sound systems help represent the 3D information of multiple musicians
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13:04 < chris_99b> what did i miss my net connection keeps messing up :(
13:05 < chris_99b> ah just checked the logs, yeah i see what you mean about stereo sounding weird
13:06 < nmz787> yeah I though it meant two beams
13:06 < nmz787> or two masks
13:06 < nmz787> or something
13:06 < chris_99b> yeah it makes it sound like that
13:06 < chris_99b> doesn't it
13:06 < nmz787> so is it just me or is the whole silicon valley culture a bit annoying?
13:07 < nmz787> like, this Kim guy is on the synbiobeta conference page, with this company http://www.slingshotbio.com/
13:07 < nmz787> but the web page for their company is meaningless
13:07 < nmz787> it has nothing of substance on it at all
13:08 < chris_99b> heh yeah i just looked at that, and haven't got a clue what they do
13:09 < nmz787> http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Grants-2011/Pages/Pivot-Bio-Inc-OPP1045839.aspx
13:09 < nmz787> Purpose: to engineer crops that can capture and metabolize nitrogen from the atmosphere, reducing the need for petrochemical fertilizers and reducing the cost of farming in developing countries.Amount: $100,000Term: 1 year and 7 months
13:09 < chris_99b> that'd be impressive
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13:13 < kanzure> nmz787: autodesk likes synthetic biology because andrew hessel
13:26 < chris_99b> nmz787, did you decode any stuff from that CCD btw, i presume it requires an ADC
13:27 < nmz787> decode?
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13:27 < nmz787> it comes out analog
13:27 < chris_99b> yeah i mean convert to digital
13:27 < chris_99b> should have said digitise
13:28 < nmz787> i just used an oscilloscope
13:28 < nmz787> i started working on the ADC stuff but only got as far as making a breakout board
13:28 < chris_99b> aha cool
13:29 < chris_99b> do you happen to know if theres any IR filter on it, as i was considering getting one to do IR spectroscopy
13:42 < nmz787> IR won't work past about 1000nm with it
13:42 < nmz787> the CCD datasheets generally have a spectral sensitivity chart
13:42 < nmz787> you need InGaAs for NIR and MIR spectroscopy
13:45 < chris_99b> yeah i saw the chart i was thinking if there was an IR filter on it, that'd affect it
13:47 < nmz787> nah its the inherent Si sensitivity
13:47 < chris_99b> ah
13:50 < chris_99b> cheers i've found some by Hamamatsu
13:50 < chris_99b> after you suggested that
13:51 < nmz787> you can find them on alibaba.com too
13:51 < nmz787> 2D InGaAs
13:52 < nmz787> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/532942886/InGaAs_Image_Sensor.html
13:53 < chris_99b> sweet :)
13:53 < chris_99b> i want to measure alcohol content hopefully
13:58 < nmz787> chris_99b: http://libgen.info/view.php?id=749860
14:00 < chris_99b> ooh thanks
14:00 < chris_99b> btw i found the hough transform isn't especially helpful heh
14:00 < chris_99b> at least for the kind of stuff i'm trying to do
14:00 < chris_99b> i've been told this is a lot better http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Research/Projects/CS/vision/shape/sc_digits.html
14:01 < nmz787> ahh, that squares.c didnt work for your images?
14:02 < chris_99b> well i didn't use squares.c but i used another implementation of the Hough transform
14:02 < chris_99b> and the lines generated
14:02 < chris_99b> where not very helpful
14:02 < chris_99b> so i couldn't generate rectangles anway
14:03 < nmz787> have you solved this otherwise yet?
14:04 < chris_99b> nope, i might have to port that matlab code
14:05 < nmz787> ahh, i would give squares.c a try, can't hurt, and it should be a snap to compile since its an opencv example
14:06 < chris_99b> hmm i might do, but if i recall it is just using the hough transform
14:06 < chris_99b> and maybe a bit of edge detection too
14:06 < nmz787> there are different hough transforms though
14:06 < nmz787> i.e. hough lines vs hough circles
14:06 < chris_99b> yeah, i used the line one
14:07 < nmz787> dunno if there are others
14:07 < chris_99b> not that i've heard, maybe there are though
14:11 < chris_99b> i'm really suprised there aren't more simple algorithms for detecting simple shapes
14:11 < chris_99b> though
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14:41 < skorket> hey all
14:41 < nmz787> howdy
14:42 < skorket> did I tell you about my current direction in using my CNC for PCBs?
14:43 < nmz787> no
14:43 < nmz787> I've made a PCB with black spray painted copper clad and etched with a laser cutter
14:44 < chris_99b> is that as good as using photoresist + uv + acetate
14:46 < skorket> oh nice.  I was considering going that route but I heard blanketing the PCB with spray paint consistently was a bit hard
14:48 < nmz787> yeah it took a few tries, mainly because the paint was clearly etched, but microscopically there was still some (I didn't see it with a microscope) and as a result copper etch didnt work
14:49 < chris_99b> did you make your own CNC skorket?
14:49 < nmz787> but I finally figured out to use a quick pass of alcohol or acetone to clean off any residual, but not enough cleaning that the intact paint didnt smear
14:50 < skorket> chris_99b, I did
14:50 < chris_99b> funky, do you have a guide to how you built it?
14:53 < nmz787> skorket: what's your idea for CNCing PCBs?
14:55 < skorket> Z sensing through a continuity test
14:56 < nmz787> how are you actually cutting the copper?
14:58 < chris_99b> that's a cool idea, so it'll know exactly when the drill's hitting the copper
14:58 < chris_99b> is that what you meant?
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15:14 < skorket> Cutting the copper with a .0135" carbid tip.  I have others but I haven't tried them yet
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15:15 < skorket> and yep, continuity test with one lead attached to the bit, the other to the copper face of the PCB
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15:16 < chris_99b> problem is though when you get to parts of the PCB which have no connection to your croc clip
15:17 < Mokbortolan_> well, you might have to use jumpers or other methods to connect them
15:17 < chris_99b> is there any advantage though over just using the Z axis information from your steppers
15:18 < skorket> the pcb warps.  The z isn't consistent across the surface
15:19 < chris_99b> ah
15:19 < chris_99b> yeah that makes sense
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16:14 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: cab472d add link to cheap power supply tutorial for gel boxes
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16:30 < nmz787> kanzure: are you speaking at open science summit again this year?
16:35 < kanzure> probably not.. it's in the UK
16:37 < nmz787> nah
16:37 < kanzure> huh? i thought jojack said so?
16:38 < nmz787> "Oct 19-20, 2012 at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, CA"
16:38 < nmz787> http://opensciencesummit.com/
16:38 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openscience/open-science-summit-2012
16:38 < kanzure> hmm
16:38 < nmz787> ctrl-f for uk or u.k. finds nothing
16:39 < kanzure> it hasn't raised any money. ouch.
16:39 < kanzure> well, nobody puts conferences on kickstarter anyway.
16:39 < nmz787> oh, hah, i'm wearing my open science summit tshirt from last year right now
16:39 < kanzure> oh i see. it says computer science museum 2012. well, not the uk. maybe he changed his mind.
16:40 < kanzure> well in that case, i haven't decided :).
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18:37 < skorket> ok, guess it's time to get started on that automatic continuity tester
18:38 < skorket> nmz787, I'm also going to alter grbl to spit out some status variables, like current position, feed rate, etc.
18:38 < skorket> not sure if you're interested in that whole thing
18:59 < delinquentme> skorket, are you building a reprap?
19:00 < skorket> delinquentme, no, I've built a CNC
19:01 < delinquentme> Oh sweet! using grbl?
19:01 < delinquentme> do you know about ##diy-cnc?
19:01 < delinquentme> or one #
19:01 < skorket> yes and yes
19:02 < skorket> there's also #linuxcnc but that's mostly for linuxcnc, as you'd imagine
19:02 < skorket> (#diycnc)
19:05 < delinquentme> nice!
19:05 < delinquentme> yeah I was looking at grbl for controlling steppers
19:06 < delinquentme> ended up stuck at the hardware component level
19:06 < skorket> what do you mean?
19:07 < joshcryer> http://motherboard.vice.com/2012/9/10/we-are-now-one-year-and-counting-from-global-riots-complex-systems-theorists-say--2
19:08 < delinquentme> skorket, I was looking for a particular driver which would i guess allow for component / sensor scaling
19:08 < delinquentme> IE modular " add on a hall sensor "  ... " add on a stepper "
19:08 < delinquentme> modular MC or something
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19:09 < skorket> so that you could use sensor feedback in the controller?
19:28 < delinquentme> skorket, well ... I mean the issue I currently have is that when dealing with open source hardware
19:28 < delinquentme> the ...
19:29 < delinquentme> virtues of open source ... is partially the awesome turn around time and development
19:30 < delinquentme> Sooo someone hacks together a stellar redundancy on my machine ... and we want to run it ... If this is so I'm probably going to need to add another driver ...  so how can that process be made as easy as possible
19:30 < kanzure> driver?
19:31 < kanzure> just use linux's firmware stuff. i don't see the problem.
19:33 < skorket> I don't really understand what you're talking about delinquentme
19:34 < delinquentme> kanzure, stepper driver
19:34 < delinquentme> skorket, physically adding modular components ... like the best stuff out there right now is designed for the reprap
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19:34 < delinquentme> IE 5 stepper motors ...
19:34 < delinquentme> what happens when you need more stepper motors
19:34 < delinquentme> REDESIGN THE MAIN BOARD
19:34 < delinquentme> ^^ inefficient
19:35 < ParahSailin_> kanzure, im not enough of an asshole to shit on this post on open mfring list http://idejakten.se/vote/utilihab/
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19:35 < skorket> yeah, grbl is not really designed for that
19:36 < skorket> but maybe kanzure is suggesting that linuxcnc has that extensibility?
19:39 < delinquentme> OHHhh
19:39 < delinquentme> Hurr. durr.
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19:57 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: so you're saying you hate utilihab?
19:58 < kanzure> skorket: you don't even need a "main board" like that with linux. what do you people have against computers. :(
19:58 < kanzure> you're perfectly fine with computers everywhere else
19:58 < kanzure> but as soon as there's as stepper, computers become voodoo or something
19:58 < kanzure> *as soon as there's a stepper
20:00 < ParahSailin_> it looks silly, and overly expensive, yes
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20:14 < skorket> I like computers very much, they're just not always appropriate to every task
20:15 < skorket> alarm bells should be ringing when you have to install a whole new kernel just to control a couple of stepper drivers
20:15 < skorket> real time needs = microcontroller
20:20 < kanzure> well, most microcontrollers demand that i install windows to write code, so how's that not another kenel?
20:22 < skorket> I've got a toolchain that works very well in linux
20:22 < skorket> you might have some difficulty in pic, I grant you
20:22 < skorket> propeller looks like theres some stuff out there
20:22 < skorket> I think I saw some fpga stuff that worked under linux
20:23 < kanzure> propeller seems highly proprietary
20:23 < kanzure> fpga stuff on linux is also highly proprietary
20:23 < kanzure> xelinux stuff
20:23 < skorket> yeah, not sure about xilinx.  I saw some other starter fpga thing that looked like it might have a nice linux toolchain
20:23 < kanzure> show me.
20:27 < skorket> hmm, maybe I'm wrong about that one.  This is what I was thinking of: http://www.xess.com/prods/prod048.php
20:27 < skorket> http://www.xess.com/downloads.php has a python script to flash and get data from it, but I'm not sure about the rest of the toolchain
20:28 < skorket> the relevant bits are open source (I think?) but that doesn't mean it's readily available under linux
20:29 < skorket> yeah, sorry, I've never used it, I just found it the other day.  Under 'third parties' theres some 'xstools for linux' which might be a complete toolchain
20:29 < skorket> and of course the board that this is for isn't that powerful
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21:34 < kanzure> bleh internets :(
21:34 < kanzure> if i was a billionaire, i'd make sure the god damned internets worked.
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21:43 < brownies> someday, kanzure . someday.
21:49 < kanzure> brownies: tethering sucks
21:50 < brownies> kanzure: get 4G, then tethering is at least tolerable
21:50 < kanzure> but, i have that "unlimited" data plan
21:50 < kanzure> blah
21:50 < brownies> kanzure: so it's, what, 3gb?
21:50 < kanzure> yes :(
21:51 < brownies> heh
21:52 < kanzure> my monopolist isp says that the quickest they can check out my problem is next monday
21:52 < kanzure> next monday is like an internet year away
21:52 < kanzure> hell it's a whole new iphone version away
21:52 < brownies> haha
21:52 < brownies> well, at this point anything other than pizza delivery is a whole iphone version away
21:53 < kanzure> nope, pizza doesn't deliver around here past 11pm
21:53 < kanzure> and starts up around 10am
21:53 < brownies> rofl
21:53 < kanzure> what's the point of delivery if you can't get it at 2am?
21:53 < kanzure> what the fuck is wrong with people
21:53 < brownies> i'm actually pretty annoyed that it'll be another week between tomorrow's announcement and being able to actually buy the damn thing
21:53 < kanzure> so far i haven't seen anything interesting on it
21:53 < brownies> kanzure: does your whole city also close down at 10pm?
21:54 < kanzure> no there's two restaurants that stay open 24/7
21:54 < brownies> i thought Austin was supposed to be hip and exciting
21:54 < kanzure> we are hip and exciting 6am-10pm
21:54 < brownies> those are not every hip and exciting hours
21:54 < kanzure> except for 6th street
21:54 < kanzure> which is 2am-4am
21:58 < Lemminkainen_> where get pharmaceuticals?
21:59 < Lemminkainen_> I'm interested in acquiring some Trental and Provigil
21:59 < Lemminkainen_> but unsure of where to procure these from
22:04 < kanzure> step into my office
22:04 < kanzure> by "my office" i mean "my van"
22:05 < kanzure> and by "my van" i mean my "sex tarp" http://xkcd.com/1101/
22:06 < Lemminkainen_> but kanzure I don't love you like *that*
22:06 < Lemminkainen_> I love you like a cold apple
22:09 < kanzure> o__o
22:09 < Lemminkainen_> I really like cold apples on a hot day
22:09 < yashgaroth> if you know what he means
22:09 < Lemminkainen_> anyway, I've been looking more into things like NAC, piracetam, Trental, Provigil, etc etc and I would like to play with some of them
22:10 < Lemminkainen_> I am, however, professionally homeless, so I am somewhat perturbed by the idea of several pill bottles rattling around my luggage
22:11 < kanzure> i'm professionally awsome
22:11 < kanzure> :nods:
22:14 < strangewarp> stop fucking apples, it's not the goddamned 1970s anymore
22:15 < Mokbortolan_> people fucked apples back then?
22:15 < Mokbortolan_> wow, hippies were weirder than I thought
22:17 < Mokbortolan_> Lemminkainen_: well, you can have them as white powders in bags!
22:18 < Mokbortolan_> although, Provigil you can get (from india) in foil sheets
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22:42 < Lemminkainen_> tell me more Mokbortolan_
22:59 < nmz787> we're nothing but chemistry that realizes itself
23:03 < Lemminkainen_> this is true nmz787 but I am looking to get a hold of more chemicals
23:39 < nmz787> lol
23:39 < nmz787> more atoms!!!
23:39 < nmz787> what country are you in?
23:42 < ybit> kanzure: how?
23:42 < ybit> 07:53 < kanzure> brownies: hah i have commits in the yeoman project now :/
23:43 < ybit> 22:18 < Mokbortolan_> although, Provigil you can get (from india) in foil sheets
23:43 < ybit> i can confirm this and i can also confirm it didn't work
23:44 < nmz787> why would it come in foil?
23:45 < nmz787> i'm pretty sure backalley powder in india is not to be trusted to work
23:50 < Lemminkainen_> nmz787 I'm in US
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23:54 < nmz787> ahh
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