--- Log opened Wed Sep 12 00:00:24 2012 00:02 < brownies> there ought to be a rule of thumb here 00:03 < brownies> if you're not smart enough to acquire nootropics on your own, you shouldn't be experimenting with nootropics 00:04 < Lemminkainen_> aw come now brownies 00:04 < Lemminkainen_> tain't about not being smart enough here, it's about appealing to others' experience first 00:05 < Lemminkainen_> if nmz787 were to be all "don't even ask that brownies moob, they're shady as fuck and will give you salt pills", I'd appreciate that metis 00:06 < nmz787> kanzure: http://imgur.com/r/funny/JG5dA 00:07 < nmz787> brownies: but what if a dose of nootropics enabled you to become smart enough to acquire more nootropics??? sortof starting a chain reaction? 00:08 < nmz787> but i kinda agree 00:08 < nmz787> what 00:08 < nmz787> what's NAC 00:16 < Lemminkainen_> nmz787: N-acetyl cystein 00:16 < Lemminkainen_> *cysteine 00:29 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 00:37 < nmz787> SO, PLEASE, SEARCH THIS POSTING FIRST IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION and DON'T POST ANSWERS TO FAQs: POINT THE ASKER TO THIS POSTING 00:37 < nmz787> heh, right at the top http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ai-faq/neural-nets/part1/preamble.html 00:38 < nmz787> do newsgroups still exist? 00:38 < nmz787> i dont know if i ever posted to one, but I remember using some email client a long long time ago to read some 00:43 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-45792f2b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:59 < ybit> https://github.com/yeoman/yeoman/commit/3a7870b9b4a3ae699b9a47a5436a089cb682e48d 00:59 < ybit> i see 01:00 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 01:59 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:45 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [] 03:09 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:10 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:18 -!- Mokbortolan_1 [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44 -!- rainfrog [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:02 -!- highfrog [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- rainfrog [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:11 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@241.62.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:04 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 -!- OldCoder [~OldCoder@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:43 -!- OldCoder [~OldCoder@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:48 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:49 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:25 -!- marainein [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:bc00:feea:ac92:955f] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:01 -!- Guest2799 [~dextro@2001:0:4137:9e76:140d:1a98:94e9:4535] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:03 -!- AdrienG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:04 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07 -!- Guest2799 is now known as AdrienG 07:08 -!- AdrienG [~dextro@2001:0:4137:9e76:140d:1a98:94e9:4535] has quit [Changing host] 07:08 -!- AdrienG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:19 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:40 < kanzure> ybit: DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE ME 07:41 < kanzure> i don't think they pushed my change to their site yet 07:43 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:47 < delinquentme> umm is there a way to ping a website and find out what kind of server its running on? 07:47 < chris_99> sometimes its in the HTTP response 07:47 < chris_99> so curl would show it 07:48 < chris_99> or if you nmap it, possibly that could also tell you 07:48 < kanzure> http headers will usually tell you 07:48 < kanzure> and then you can look at the open ports via nmap 07:49 < kanzure> i see that chris_99 is faster than me today 07:49 < chris_99> heh 08:02 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:02 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@81.61.208.135.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@81.61.208.135.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:29 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@81.61.208.135.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:35 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-45792f2b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 < delinquentme> Thank you, 08:42 < delinquentme> Zachary 08:42 < delinquentme> Retention Specialist 08:42 < delinquentme> 888-401-4678 08:42 < delinquentme> >=/ 08:42 < delinquentme> $ curl -I -L 08:43 < nmz787> ? 08:43 < kanzure> urine retention specialist? 08:43 * kanzure isn't sure 08:44 < nmz787> Retention Specialist == get's stuffed up a lot, isn't regular 08:45 < kanzure> hrm. 08:54 < delinquentme> yeah thats a rough job title 08:54 < nmz787> I DONT NEED TO TALK TO YOU, I HAVE PRUNES 08:57 < delinquentme> ^^^^^ 09:10 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:21 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:44 -!- wizaqua [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:45 < kanzure> wizaqua: hi 09:46 < kanzure> blah someone is wondering why i hate 'social entrepreneurship contests'. isn't that an easy one? 09:49 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: but yeah i got spammed by jonas about utilihab today 09:49 < kanzure> for a 'social entrepreneurship contest' 09:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:00 < nmz787> kanzure: have you seen this https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-attack-uses-ssltls-information-leak-hijack-https-sessions-090512 10:01 < kanzure> haven't used that yet 10:01 < nmz787> http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/19911/crime-how-to-beat-the-beast-successor/19914#19914 10:38 -!- Mokbortolan_ [~Nate@c-76-115-136-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:49 < nmz787> a friend's dad has prostate cancer, anyone know how to combat that? 10:49 < nmz787> i've heard DCA (dichloroacetate) is pretty good, but I can't find anything on it relating to prostate 10:50 < Mokbortolan_> pot 10:51 < jrayhawk> most cancers are responsive to ketosis and/or vitamin d 10:52 < jrayhawk> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=ketosis+prostate+cancer 10:56 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:58 < jrayhawk> a GAPS or ancestral lifestyle template always help, too 10:58 < nmz787> GAPS? 10:59 < jrayhawk> GAPS is a good ultra-conservative medical dietary intervention 10:59 < jrayhawk> it's not very pleasant long-term, though 11:00 < Mokbortolan_> Gastro - and Psychology Something 11:01 < jrayhawk> It's designed as a gut-healing protocol, which winds up having profound effects on metabolic, autoimmune, and psychological problems 11:04 < kanzure> can he just have his prostate removed? 11:04 < jrayhawk> cambell-mcbride is a lot more paranoid about lesser known food intolerances, like FODMAPs and insoluable fiber, than the usual ancestral dieting folks are 11:05 < jrayhawk> she's been good at pushing bone broth, though, which is cool 11:05 < nmz787> kanzure: i guess its spread outside there 11:05 < jrayhawk> oh 11:07 < jrayhawk> usually when somebody says 'prostate cancer' they mean 'mostly innocuous mass that will probably take twenty years to actually do anything effectual' 11:13 < nmz787> hmm, yeah, I dunno 11:19 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:19 < superkuh> My dad just had surgery for that (yesterday). 11:30 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@81.61.208.135.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:33 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 < kanzure> superkuh: is he ok? 11:42 < superkuh> Yeah, as good as can be hoped. They had one of the Da Vinci surgical robots do it. 11:43 < kanzure> was the robot requested? 11:44 < superkuh> I don't know the details. It was probably suggested by his doctor. The local hospital here just acquired the machine within the year. 11:45 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.167.75] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:20 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@241.62.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- frogping [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:43 -!- chris_99b [~chris_99@109.249.225.131] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:43 -!- highfrog [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:55 < kanzure> beep boop 13:01 < kanzure> jmil: so besides open hardware summit and open science summit, where else will i run into you? 13:02 < jmil> kanzure: just got a talk at TEDxYouth@SanDiego :D 13:02 < jmil> that's about it 13:02 < jmil> hopefully will get a faculty position this year 13:02 < jmil> applying now 13:02 < kanzure> where are you aiming for? 13:09 < nmz787> kanzure: you're heading to OHS? 13:13 < jmil> kanzure: anywhere i get a good offer/fit 13:13 < kanzure> nmz787: no :( 13:13 < kanzure> jmil: heh ok 13:13 < kanzure> nmz787: btw you could probably get in with volunteering or some crap 13:14 -!- Mokbortolan_ is now known as Mokstar 13:16 < nmz787> kanzure: how are you running into jmil there then? 13:17 < kanzure> in my mind 13:17 < nmz787> or do you mean, you'll see him in some video feed 13:17 < nmz787> http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_ARTICLEMAIN&node_id=222&content_id=CNBP_026944&use_sec=true&sec_url_var=region1&__uuid=cb926958-56be-49fc-9948-1728debd5db6 13:17 < kanzure> in my mind, i'm more elusive than todd huffman at conferences :P 13:17 < kanzure> but, todd is still better at showing up at all conferences than me 13:17 < nmz787> Debut of the first practical “artificial leaf” 13:18 < nmz787> The first artificial leaf was developed more than a decade ago by John Turner of the U.S. National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Boulder, Colorado. Although highly efficient at carrying out photosynthesis, Turner’s device was impractical for wider use, as it was composed of rare, expensive metals and was highly unstable — with a lifespan of barely one day.Nocera’s new leaf overcomes these problems. It is made of inexpensive mate 13:18 < nmz787> The key to this breakthrough is Nocera’s recent discovery of several powerful new, inexpensive catalysts, made of nickel and cobalt, that are capable of efficiently splitting water into its two components, hydrogen and oxygen, under simple conditions. Right now, Nocera’s leaf is about 10 times more efficient at carrying out photosynthesis than a natural leaf. However, he is optimistic that he can boost the efficiency of the artific 13:19 < ThomasEgi> 10 times more efficient than natural photosynthesis eh?.. 13:19 < nmz787> http://nocera.mit.edu/Home 13:20 < ThomasEgi> i am pretty sure that natural photosynthesis is about 30% or so 13:20 < nmz787> if it comes to market, hell yea! 13:20 < nmz787> I thought natural was 8% 13:20 < nmz787> or so 13:21 < ThomasEgi> under natural daylight about 20, accordnig to wikipedia 13:21 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency 13:21 < ThomasEgi> and.. doing something 10 times more efficient than millions of years worth of evolution... sorta rings my bullshit-alert-bell 13:21 < nmz787> i'm seeing 3-6% 13:22 < ThomasEgi> if you count in photorespiration 13:23 < kanzure> ThomasEgi: wait, what? there's no reason nature would have found a step-wise change like that, ever 13:23 < kanzure> or a natural route to an order-of-magnitude improvement 13:24 < ThomasEgi> i just say that i'd triple-doubt that 10x more efficiency information 13:24 < ThomasEgi> and ask how the the number came up. 13:25 < ThomasEgi> because it smells like someone want's to advertise his research and picks semi-related numbers to fabricate a 1000% efficiency gain 13:25 < nmz787> this is a good overview on artificial photosynthesis from Materials Research Society in 2008 (I have this in print) 13:25 < nmz787> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7960319&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0883769400004905 13:25 < nmz787> open access for this issue too, which is cool 13:25 < nmz787> Engineered and Artificial Photosynthesis: Human Ingenuity Enters the Game 13:27 < nmz787> "The best single-threshold photovoltaic devices have ECEs that approach the Shockley–Quiesser limit of about 30%, which was calculated taking all of the above considerations into account. In contrast, although the initial steps of plant and bacterial photosynthesis often have very high quantum yields, the ECE of natural photosynthesis is relatively low (maximally about 6% but usually observed to be <0.8%)." 13:28 < nmz787> "energy conversion efficiency (ECE)" 13:28 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28 < ThomasEgi> that means.. sunlight to whatever you harvest 13:29 < nmz787> "Note: ECE (energy conversion efficiency) is calculated by dividing the energetic equivalent by the energy content of the total solar spectrum averaged over 1 year incident on 1 hectare (ha) for a sunny climate at moderate latitude [21 million kWh/(ha year)] (Phoenix, AZ; http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data/nsrdb/redbook/). Si based PV cells produce electricity, not fuel. We assume 80% of the hectare can be covered by solar collectors 13:32 -!- chris_99b [~chris_99@109.249.225.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:32 < ThomasEgi> and they compare that number to whatever they messure in a lab? 13:33 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:42 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-45792f2b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:51 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@241.62.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:59 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 14:12 * bkero waves from Toronto. 14:12 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m83-189-151-212.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:14 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:15 < chris_99> i thought this was amusing http://hackerne.ws/item?id=4508980 (Ask HN: You're in an empty room. How do you generate a random number?) 14:21 -!- highfrog [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 -!- frogping [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:25 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you have an email for jmil? 14:30 < jrayhawk> nobody deserves toronto 14:30 < jrayhawk> not even ontario 14:36 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, take a small bundle of pubes, count those and do modulo 10 to get a 0-9 digit 14:36 < chris_99> that's one of the comments basically 14:37 < chris_99> i liked this one too 'Bash your head against the wall and count the stars.' 14:40 < Mokstar> sounds like it'd be easier to toss hairs into the air and then count the intersections when they land on each other 14:40 < Mokstar> of course, that'd leave you with a distinct lack of 0's 14:40 < Mokstar> but you'd get fluid dynamics in the mix 14:41 < chris_99> modulo n would fix it 14:44 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m83-189-151-212.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:45 < chris_99> i know, just wait until you start hallucinating after sensory deprivation 14:47 < kanzure> delinquentme: Jordan Miller 14:47 < delinquentme> tanks. 15:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:18 -!- highfrog [~swamp@p5B16D6F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Love Everything! Resistance is Futile.] 15:22 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 < skorket> hey all 15:22 < kanzure> hi 15:24 < brownies> hello 15:24 < kanzure> hello 15:35 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-45792f2b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 -!- CIA-20 [cia@cia.vc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-200-58.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42 -!- ParahSailin_ [~parah@adsl-69-151-200-58.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:04 < delinquentme> <333333 16:08 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:15 < kanzure> bloop bleep. 16:17 < kanzure> "The long-held serotonin hypothesis has proven to be completely baseless and there is no good evidence that depression has a neurochemical etiology" 16:17 < kanzure> neat, i'd love a citation on that last part 16:26 < jrayhawk> http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/11/depression-beyond-chemical-imbalance.html is a decent read, though also needs more citations 16:27 < ParahSailin_> kanzure, o snap 16:27 < kanzure> i like how everyone thinks brain stuff is simple "dopamine/serotonin levels", it's really cute :) 16:28 < kanzure> so anything that proves otherwise is worth keeping around 16:29 < ParahSailin_> md's are mostly hacks 16:31 < jrayhawk> http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/12/beyond-chemical-imbalance-part-2.html ah, this one has a nice big citation 16:37 < brownies> there's no good evidence that depression has a neurochemical basis? o.O 16:37 < kanzure> well it's not like we are monitoring the neurochemical output in depressed people at every neuron 16:37 < kanzure> usually these people have objections to splitting their heads open, it's realy annoying 16:38 < kanzure> *really 16:39 < jrayhawk> it's an argument about semantics, really. are b-vitamins and carnatine neurochemicals? 16:40 < jrayhawk> and i guess about framing etiology 16:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41 < kanzure> i suppose the original author of that quote should have said "no good evidence that depression is directly caused by serotonin levels" 16:42 < kanzure> but that would be redundant 16:42 < jrayhawk> that's not entirely true 16:43 < jrayhawk> monoamine manipulation actually does work in a lot of cases 16:43 < jrayhawk> but 'etiology' is the key word he uses 16:46 < jrayhawk> disease management is not the same as health care 16:49 < jrayhawk> oh, his proposal is medicre. that's too bad. 16:50 < jrayhawk> 'It is entirely possible that the idea of depression is itself a cause of depression, in much the same way that the western presentation anorexia nervosa has been imported into Chinese culture and is slowly replacing the far more common indigenous eating disorder, which presented as idiopathic digestive problems rather than a psychological aversion to food based in body image.' 16:50 < jrayhawk> ha ha that guy has no idea how tightly coupled the intestine and the brain are 16:51 < kanzure> i didn't quote his other stuff because it was stupid 16:51 < jrayhawk> yeah, good call 16:54 < jrayhawk> 'Anecdote is not the singular of data' uh... 16:55 < brownies> yeah, what an idiot. everyone knows it's anecdatum. 16:55 < brownies> jrayhawk: fair point about etiology. 16:55 < jrayhawk> the plural of anecdote must clearly be datums 17:15 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 -!- streety [streety@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:ded6] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 18:11 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-88-171.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 -!- streety [streety@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:ded6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:22 < kanzure> brownies: http://forkbin.com/ so where's my play button? 18:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-88-171.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 18:34 < brownies> kanzure: well, well, well. 18:34 < brownies> isn't that interesting. 18:37 < kanzure> i guess not super interesting 18:37 < kanzure> but at least someone did it 18:45 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:45 < nmz787> kinda cool 18:49 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@76-14-130-152.rk.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@76-14-130-152.rk.wavecable.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:57 < nmz787> is this hplus? http://18again.com/vaginal-cream-faqs.php 18:57 < nmz787> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-19353039 18:57 < nmz787> Virginity cream sparks Indian sex debate 19:00 < yashgaroth> nah that's some straight biohacking right thur 19:10 < brownies> "contains natural ingredients including gold dust" 19:13 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 < nmz787> ya 19:15 < nmz787> theres a youtube vid 19:21 < nmz787> omg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=g63YG-BOCns&NR=1 19:21 < nmz787> Woman with Two Vaginas 19:23 < nmz787> top comment "so she can b a slut and an virgin at the same time" 19:26 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.167.75] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:42 < kanzure> nmz787: that comment makes me sad 19:43 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08 < nmz787> yeah pretty bad 20:17 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [] 20:25 < kanzure> brownies: so i forgot about this guy, but apparently i had started corresponding with him in 2008.. http://ideonomy.mit.edu/gunkel.html 20:25 -!- cpopell [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:25 < kanzure> patrick gunkel obviously needs forkable lists 20:39 < ParahSailin_> thats weird 20:43 < nmz787> i wonder if he rides around everywhere with that cat on his shoulder 20:44 < nmz787> "If asked, he will reel off the 14 kinds of soda pop he has on hand." 20:44 < nmz787> he has too much pop 20:50 < nmz787> so have you two hung out? 20:51 < kanzure> no he was in nj in 2008 20:52 < ParahSailin_> i've talked to homeless people that arcane 20:52 < ParahSailin_> they never got any story in the newspaper for themselves though 20:56 < brownies> kanzure: skimming... nice idea... very meta. 20:56 < brownies> kanzure: the question is whether he can invent an idea-generating tool that can generate the idea for itself 20:59 < skorket> so, algorithmic idea generation? 21:02 < nmz787> seemed more like a simple matrix multiply to me 21:03 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: :) 21:03 < kanzure> nmz787: yes 21:04 < nmz787> i was listening to some blurb this guy spewed earlier, didn't finish it 21:04 < nmz787> http://biotelemetrica.pbworks.com/w/page/14815444/DoyleBio 21:05 < nmz787> the LSDNA talk 21:05 < nmz787> he said some interesting things, about some people taking DNA as a hallucinogen... but didn't cite it 21:05 < nmz787> and I couldn't find anything relevant on google scholar about it 21:06 < nmz787> what's a PhD in Rhetoric anyway? 21:07 < skorket> it's just called a PhD 21:08 < nmz787> is rhetoric b.s.? 21:08 < nmz787> or the art of bullshitting? 21:10 < skorket> "speech or discourse that pretends to significance but lacks true meaning" 21:12 < nmz787> oh 21:12 < nmz787> great 21:12 < nmz787> so i wasted my time trying to find any decent info on DNA in that talk basically 21:12 < nmz787> :P 21:26 < nmz787> 64 raspberry pi cluster http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120911125106.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+(ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News) 21:26 < nmz787> "If you want to build a Raspberry Pi Supercomputer yourself see: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi" 21:38 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:55 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:56 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:06 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:09 < nmz787> beep 22:33 < skorket> how are things nmz787? 22:41 < nmz787> trying to help my gf with her thesis 22:42 < nmz787> which is image classification via artificial neural networks 22:42 < nmz787> I got my power supply, but not the diode yet... the seller sent it with delivery confirmation, and I don't see the postman (I guess he doesn't knock loud enough?) so I still dont have the laser 22:43 < nmz787> so I think this is how ANNs work: basically you need to feed input to the neurons, and either ask a question (if statement) and get a binary output (yes no, 0 1) based on the some initially chosen threshold value (weight of neuron?), or is something like input X * weight-of-neuron then square rooting that and feeding it into the next layer 22:45 < nmz787> this has some example input data for an ANN with 114 input nodes and 1 or 3 outputs http://www.powershow.com/view/114301-NDg1N/Glaucoma_Detection_Using_An_Artificial_Neural_Network_flash_ppt_presentation 22:51 < skorket> One model that I studied, and I think it was pretty common, was that neurons were connected via edges. Each edge had a weight to it. Output from one neuron was multiplied by the weight 22:51 < skorket> output from the previous layer multiplied by weight and summed. 22:51 < skorket> Either fire the neuron if it crosses the threshold or use some sigmoid function to approximate a step function 22:51 < skorket> nothing special, just partition the higher dimensional space into two 22:52 < nmz787> i'm looking to do image noise classification. i think i want to diff adjacent pixels, and have the diff be the input to a single neuron. or diff adjacent pixels in a kernel, and have the kernel RMS value feed into a neuron 22:52 < skorket> what's the end goal? 22:53 < nmz787> pattern of a camera 22:53 < nmz787> also these would be dark images 22:54 < nmz787> i.e. the sensor was covered from light when recorded 22:55 < nmz787> (dark for training, then compare with real life 'test' image) 22:56 < nmz787> since the training diffs will be pretty small, the test image will probably only give a positive result in areas of similar or low illumination. So I think the bigger the image, the better 23:17 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:22 < nmz787> this is encouraging http://stackoverflow.com/a/4821157/253127 23:25 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-14-211.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:26 < AdrienG> sup 23:27 < AdrienG> anyone looked into tDCS 23:28 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hjdgdwahpnuhxjtv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dajdwiwpbqsapwys] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-45792f2b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 23:50 < Mokstar> AdrienG: check out /r/tdcs 23:51 < AdrienG> merci. 23:51 < Mokstar> I have none. 23:51 < AdrienG> lol 23:52 < Mokstar> they call me Ming 23:52 < Mokstar> the Merciless 23:53 < AdrienG> hae u used it? 23:53 < Mokstar> of course 23:53 < Mokstar> you know how reckless I am 23:56 * Mokstar jams oversized white LEDs in his ears. 23:57 < AdrienG> oic 23:58 < AdrienG> well, birds of feather flock together. 23:58 < AdrienG> how's the LED project? --- Log closed Thu Sep 13 00:00:25 2012