--- Log opened Thu Sep 13 00:00:25 2012 00:00 < Mokstar> about like my other projects, half-completed and scattered amongst my workspace 00:00 < AdrienG> u so adhd 00:02 < AdrienG> Mokstar: did you get 6 lumen LEDs 00:14 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@241.62.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:14 < Mokstar> naa 00:15 < Mokstar> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3125355&filterName=Type&filterValue=%26gt%3B7+mm+lens 00:26 < AdrienG> err 00:26 < AdrienG> 28 lumens? 00:27 < Mokstar> sounds about right 00:27 < AdrienG> Mokstar: I like /r/tdcs already. those guys are hardcore. 00:27 < AdrienG> 28 lumens lulz 00:27 < AdrienG> wouldnt that be too much 00:27 < Mokstar> let's find out! 00:28 < AdrienG> i recall getting -wired- frmoa SAD lamp 00:28 < AdrienG> like literal jittery energized 00:28 < AdrienG> SAD lamps increse thyroid output rather drastically, btw 00:28 < Mokstar> to be fair, you're also crazy 00:28 < Mokstar> so who knows 00:29 < AdrienG> nah 00:30 < AdrienG> im only mildly crazy. 00:30 < AdrienG> btw, 70-90% of adhd children are also bipolar :o 00:45 < Mokstar> shut up! 00:45 * Mokstar punches AdrienG 00:45 < Mokstar> omg I'm so sorry 00:45 * Mokstar breaks down crying. 00:46 < strangewarp> it's not like I'm bipolar for YOU or anything, b-baka 00:46 < AdrienG> :D 00:46 * strangewarp slaps Mokstar 00:46 * strangewarp runs away 00:47 * Mokstar glues an LED onto the wires of a pair of dollar-store retractable-cable earbuds. 00:52 < AdrienG> what would be the easiest earbuds to mod 00:53 < Mokstar> ... dollar store ones 00:53 < AdrienG> yes but design 00:53 < AdrienG> there are many 00:53 < AdrienG> also, major lol: http://youtu.be/kYISMKZ4WNk 01:19 < Mokstar> dangit 01:19 < Mokstar> I think I broke one of my LEDs :( 01:19 < Mokstar> owell 01:19 * Mokstar works on the battery pack. 01:39 -!- nsh [~kezia@host86-137-178-27.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has 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I'm guessing Hoekentronics is his new venture." 11:43 < kanzure> https://github.com/Hoektronics/BotQueue 11:43 < kanzure> holy crap zach writes his web apps in php? what a let down. 11:44 < kanzure> hmm https://github.com/Hoektronics/Hoektron-CNC/tree/master/electronics/hoektronics-cnc-controller 11:45 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 < kanzure> http://www.hive76.org/hoeken 11:55 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:58 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- nmz7872 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:21 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@241.62.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:23 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:26 -!- nmz7872 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:38 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:40 < nmz7871> well that Doyle's LSDNA talk was pretty much a bunch of english majors in a room listening to a bigger english major talk about scientific sounding ideas 12:41 < kanzure> that doesn't sound fun 12:41 < nmz7871> nope 12:41 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:41 < nmz7871> it was an hour long MP3 12:41 -!- nmz7871 is now known as nmz787 12:44 < brownies> that sounds awful 12:49 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:50 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.166.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:53 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:53 -!- nmz7871 [~Nathan@68-246-70-208.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:00 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@241.62.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:14 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 13:30 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.65.196.168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@76-14-130-152.rk.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@76-14-130-152.rk.wavecable.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:44 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:06 < ybit> anyone know how to hide the code on codepen? 14:06 < kanzure> eh? 14:08 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.65.196.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:08 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@76-14-130-152.rk.wavecable.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:08 < chris_99> looks like it's a public pastebin for webdesigners? 14:08 < kanzure> pesky webdesigners 14:08 < chris_99> hehe 14:09 < ybit> i want to write up a quick presentation in codepen 14:09 < kanzure> you can probably hide their divs on your own 14:09 < ybit> it would be more convenient if they handled this 14:10 < kanzure> if they place you into an iframe then you'd have to write some javascript-iframejail-breakout bullshit 14:11 < chris_99> oh cool, it does 'live' coding 14:15 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@76-14-130-152.rk.wavecable.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:23 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:30 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:10 < chris_99> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Contec-32-Channels-Digital-EEG-And-Mapping-System-with-ECG-SPO2-and-Tripods-/260764602257?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Medical_Equipment_Instruments_ET&hash=item3cb6c80f91 15:10 < chris_99> as they've only sold one, i wonder how low they'd go ;) 15:14 < kanzure> who is alexander honkala 15:17 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.161.62] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- soylentbomb [~k@d149-67-118-140.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- soylentbomb [~k@d149-67-118-140.col.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:28 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- CIA-21 [cia@cia.vc] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:45 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:49 < delinquentme> anyone have really solid strats for negotiating telecommute? 16:49 < kanzure> yes 16:49 < kanzure> don't work for someone who doesn't do telecommuting. 16:49 < delinquentme> haha 16:49 < kanzure> that's the number one winning strategy. 16:49 < delinquentme> ok so like i have the gig 16:49 < delinquentme> they want to relocate me 16:50 < delinquentme> how do I stay local 16:50 < delinquentme> Im thinking that ill end up spending like 2 weeks or something down there every month 16:50 < delinquentme> IDK ill see but I think that would be ideal 16:59 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:07 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:14 -!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54 < kanzure> new plan: start a company called 'Planetary Security' to do reverse engineering and security audits of space systems 17:57 < kanzure> NASA wouldn't be the customer because iirc their code review audits might as well be security audits 17:57 < kanzure> e.g. they don't just throw in buffer overflows for laughs 17:57 < kanzure> but maybe satellite services 18:34 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:47 < kanzure> jmil: have we done positional protein placement in general yet? 18:47 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:48 < kanzure> new plan: capture a blue whale, carve it out and that will be my new nuclear submarine chasis 18:49 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-166-122.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 < eudoxia> "I receive zone moments every day in my meditation in the morning, where I am able to access a download of what feels like universal wisdom that allows me to grow at a rate faster than most people." 18:51 < eudoxia> god dammit marcin lost it 18:51 < kanzure> "faster than most people" hahah 18:52 < kanzure> well, so much for thinking marcin is completely sane 18:53 < eudoxia> i started suspecting when he got that new haircut 18:53 < kanzure> what are you, transhumanist fashion guard? 18:54 -!- augur [~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:54 -!- augur [~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56 < eudoxia> just compare 18:56 < eudoxia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwI4zp4OhCU 18:56 < eudoxia> http://globalrowingclub.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/screen-shot-2012-06-14-at-8-18-28-am.png?w=177&h=155 19:03 < kanzure> mensa only reaches 0.078% of its possible members. 19:12 -!- marainein [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:44d9:e53d:a6db:422c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12 < Mokstar> I joined, but the meetings were full of extremely cliqueish people 19:12 < Mokstar> so I stopped going 19:13 < kanzure> i learned today that you have to pay a fee to be in mensa? that's hilarious 19:13 < Mokstar> knowitalls think they're so damned smart 19:13 < Mokstar> sorta, you pay for the magazine 19:13 < eudoxia> hahahah, paying 19:13 < Mokstar> and you get a few perqs 19:13 < kanzure> ""Margot Seitelman (1928 – 1989) was long-serving the first executive director of American Mensa, from 1961"" 19:13 < kanzure> ""Though she served at the helm of American Mensa for 28 years, she never became a member."" 19:13 < Mokstar> it's a social organization, what did you expect? gotta pay dues to the rotary club too 19:14 < Mokstar> those glossy magazines don't come free 19:14 < kanzure> fuck magazines 19:14 < Mokstar> I agree 19:14 < kanzure> just setup a web server and it's much cheaper 19:14 < Mokstar> I'd rather get a digital version that I do'nt read 19:14 < Mokstar> they fold much more compactly 19:14 < kanzure> mensa seems to have only 110,000 members at the moment 19:14 < kanzure> and if you accept the typical stats about iq, there's about 140 million people who are potential members 19:15 < ParahSailin_> well iq is defined as percentile 19:15 < ParahSailin_> so 2% of whatever population 19:15 < kanzure> i assumed planetary population 19:17 < kanzure> anyway, i always find mensa curious for the reasons Mokstar cited. and learning that they have membership dues and only 110k members makes it all the more hilarious. 19:18 < Urchin> not everyone qualified joins mensa 19:18 < Mokstar> what's wrong with having membership dues? 19:18 < Urchin> lol 19:18 < eudoxia> i like to imagine the qualified people prefer to work towards their goals rather than join some IQ club 19:18 < kanzure> Mokstar: i've run sites with 100s of thousands of members for $0. 19:18 < kanzure> there's really no technical reason there should be any cost. 19:19 < kanzure> unless they have employees they are paying to do.. what exactly? 19:19 < Mokstar> organize national events 19:19 < Urchin> the mensa president for my country is a physics crackpot 19:19 < kanzure> Urchin: is it the timecube guy? 19:19 < Mokstar> publish newsletters, manage membership, etc 19:19 < Urchin> no 19:19 < kanzure> timecube guy for mensa 19:19 < Mokstar> they offer testing 19:19 < kanzure> timecube guy for mensa president 19:19 < kanzure> jrayhawk: how can i arrange this? 19:19 < eudoxia> the timecube guy isn't the only physics crackpot 19:19 < Urchin> I forgot his name 19:20 < kanzure> eudoxia: no but he's the best one 19:20 < Urchin> there are bunches 19:20 < kanzure> or, he's the most loved 19:20 < Urchin> it's actually wrong to rely on intelligence when working in physics 19:23 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:26 < eudoxia> what should you rely on? 19:26 < kanzure> results 19:30 -!- Juul [~Juul@171.66.161.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:31 < Urchin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b240PGCMwV0 19:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-166-122.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:12 -!- lichen_ is now known as lichen 20:12 -!- cpopell [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:13 < cpopell> Evening all 20:13 < kanzure> hello 20:14 < cpopell> Actually achieving things at work \o/ 20:23 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@199.188.72.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:44 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:46 < cpopell> hey chev 20:47 < chevbird> new name 20:47 < chevbird> sexy 20:47 < chevbird> pm me...im too lazt 20:47 < chevbird> y 20:58 < kanzure> "Speaking from the POV of a regional primarily undergraduate university, the current system of cost calculation is, frankly, insane and this article hits the nail on the head." 20:58 < kanzure> "Since we are bound by the confidentiality clause, I can't tell you actual figures, but the package is rapidly approaching the point where it will be the MOST expensive subscription (for journal packages and databases) we have and by the time the contract is up it will have pasted that mark by a number with a comma in it." 20:58 < kanzure> "Our chemistry program is not that large and the usage is not worth the price. If it weren't for multiple year contracts...well, I'm sure you get the picture." 20:58 < kanzure> "From talking to other librarians from similar institutions, libraries like ours are dropping ACS like it's been infected with the zombie virus." 20:58 < kanzure> "We just can't afford it, no matter how good the content is. You'd think that financially it would make more sense to offer a realistic price to us rather then loose all these libraries. I just don't understand why they are pricing themselves out of an entire segment of the market." 20:59 < kanzure> "I’ve been thinking, what do the ACS accreditation guidelines say about journal subscriptions, specifically ACS journals?" 21:00 < kanzure> Here are the requirements for an ACS approved BS degree program... 4.4 Chemical Information Resources. The vast peer-reviewed chemical literature must be readily accessible to both faculty and students." 21:00 < kanzure> "An approved program must provide students with the following minimum chemical information resources: " 21:01 < kanzure> "An approved program must provide access to no fewer than 14 current journals chosen from the CPT recommended journal list (available fromthe CPTWeb site) in either print or electronic form. At least three must come fromthe general content list, and at least one must come from each area of analytical chemistry, biochemistry, inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, physical chemistry, and chemistry education." 21:01 < kanzure> "In addition, the library should provide access to journal articles that are not readily available by a mechanism such as interlibrary loan or document delivery services. If primary student access is electronic, cost or impractical times for access should not limit it unduly." 21:01 < kanzure> "Students must have print or electronic access to Chemical Abstracts, including the ability to search and access full abstracts." 21:01 < kanzure> http://portal.acs.org/portal/PublicWebSite/about/governance/committees/training/acsapproved/degreeprogram/WPCP_008491 21:03 < kanzure> ah so apparently those requirements are less than the "full package" from ACS 21:13 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:30 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48 < brownies> kanzure: source on that rant? 21:48 < brownies> i'm curious 21:49 < kanzure> a chemistry librarian mailing list 21:49 < kanzure> http://www.indiana.edu/~cheminfo/network.html 21:49 < brownies> ah 21:50 < kanzure> archives: https://list.indiana.edu/sympa/arc/chminf-l 22:22 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23 -!- drazak__ [~ahdfadkfa@199.188.72.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:23 -!- drazak__ [~ahdfadkfa@199.188.72.84] has quit [Client Quit] 22:25 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:41 -!- nsh [~kezia@host86-137-178-27.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:50 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:53 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:54 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@2001:0:4137:9e76:140d:1a98:94e9:4535] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 -!- AdrianG is now known as Guest22281 23:57 -!- Guest22281 [~dextro@2001:0:4137:9e76:140d:1a98:94e9:4535] has quit [Changing host] 23:57 -!- Guest22281 [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:57 -!- Guest22281 is now known as AdrienG --- Log closed Fri Sep 14 00:00:25 2012