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06:52 < delinquentme> kanzure, grabcad == OS?
06:55 < foucist> super college?  i've never heard of that
07:01 < foucist> i guess that's a reference to www.supercollege.com ?  looks pretty lame
07:03 < kanzure> foucist: super college is a reference to grad school and beyond
07:03 < kanzure> which is where you get your /actual/ college education
07:03 < kanzure> soon everyone will also have to take super ultra college
07:06 < foucist> heh
07:06 < delinquentme> and the MD will be the new GED
07:06 < foucist> friends help friends skip college straight to super college
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08:09 < kanzure> swf vm in js https://github.com/mozilla/shumway
08:14 < kanzure> it would be really great if i could debug/investigate .swf crap from chrome inspector or firebug
08:16 < chris_99> hmm, how does that shumway work
08:16 < chris_99> can it actually parse the swf in JS directly from the webpage
08:16 < kanzure> yeah i think that's one of the byte array feature things of recent versions of javascript-in-browsers
08:16 < chris_99> oh cool
08:17 < kanzure> byte stream buffer thing?
08:17 < kanzure> see SWF.parse here: https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/blob/master/src/swf/parser.js
08:18 < chris_99> interesting, i didn't know you could access files from JS
08:20 < kanzure> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/FileReader
08:20 < kanzure> oh sorry, i should have said 'array buffer' not 'byte stream buffer thing'
08:22 < chris_99> i'm guessing that can only open remote files?
08:22 < chris_99> unless it's somehow given magic local file access
08:22 < kanzure> you mean local
08:22 < chris_99> no
08:22 < kanzure> it looks like it does local-only file reading.
08:23 < chris_99> weird, i thought it'd be mainly for remote files
08:40 < chris_99> hmm
08:40 < chris_99> not sure it must be defined somewhere
08:41 < chris_99> in another file
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08:47 < kanzure> ElixirVitae: hi
08:47 < kanzure> Shehrazad: hello
08:47 < Shehrazad> hi
08:47 < Shehrazad> I am having a lil bit hard time adjusting to xchat after xchat-wdk, sorry for cycling
08:49 < foucist> real men  have an ignore on all parts/joins
08:49 < foucist> i didn't notice any cycling
08:49 < kanzure> ybit: do you really think you an hide from me as ybit2?
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09:42 < kanzure> oh wow uglifyjs -b is way better than js-beautify
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10:56 < nmz787> delinquentme: sup
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10:56 < nmz787> delinquentme: I'm in tha burgh
10:57 < delinquentme> OOOOo
10:57 < delinquentme> shoot me a text im about to go get popsicles
10:57 < nmz787> lol
10:57 < delinquentme> >_<
10:59 < kanzure> $59 for 120 GB SSD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227729&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL091412&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL091412-_-EMC-091412-Index-_-SSD-_-20227729-L0B
11:07 < chris_99> wow!
11:07 < chris_99> that's ridiculously cheap
11:08 < chris_99> meanwhile in rip-off britain http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004Z0S6SO/ref=asc_df_B004Z0S6SO9668513?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004Z0S6SO ;)
11:08 < chris_99> £64.99
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11:29 < nmz787> what is that L-looking character chris_99
11:29 < nmz787> i always say lira or loob
11:29 < chris_99> you mean before 64.99 i assume, a pound symbol
11:30 < kanzure> so i'm working on my javascript deobfuscator/demangler
11:30 < kanzure> input: http://media.admob.com/gmsg.js
11:30 < kanzure> output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205328/
11:30 < kanzure> possibly better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205366/
11:30 < nmz787> de-minifier
11:31 < chris_99> haha
11:31 < chris_99> are you using random words
11:31 < nmz787> i like your var names
11:31 < kanzure> i am using a custom word list
11:31 < kanzure> it makes it infinitely more enjoyable to read than "a" and "b" variables
11:31 < kanzure> for (shitty in devil) drugs[shitty] = devil[shitty];
11:32 < kanzure> fuck = 0 == dick.indexOf("Opera"), anger = !fuck && -1 != dick.indexOf("MSIE"), sexy = !fuck && -1 != dick.indexOf("WebKit"), insane = !fuck &&
11:32 < nmz787> so i found a bottle of dexedrine from 2005 in my dad's house's med cabinet
11:33 < kanzure> i think my tool has achieved artificial intelligence
11:33 < kanzure> "var anorexic = vomit;"
11:33 < kanzure> fuck, anger, sexy, insane, cancer = function() { return testicales.navigator ? testicales.navigator.userAgent : crap; };
11:34 < kanzure> if (lemonade > parseFloat(fish)) { coconut = String(lemonade); break celery; }
11:36 < kanzure> shitty[feces] && shitty[feces][infection] && (sausage(feces, shitty[feces][infection]), delete shitty[feces][infection]);
11:44 < kanzure> it seems to struggle on gmail javascript http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205393/
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11:49 < delinquentme> can anyone explain a turing complete language simply?
11:49 < delinquentme> =]
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12:42 < skorket> delinquentme, a language that is able to describe programs
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13:25 < chris_99> isn't it more specific though, as you could have a language that isn't turing complete
13:26 < chris_99> i'd look @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Turing_machine
13:27 < chris_99> as it describes the most minimal turing machines
13:32 < skorket> he asked for simply.  And the implication is arbitrary programs so my definition still holds
13:33 < delinquentme> http://www.businessinsider.com/sequoia-capital-jim-goetz-on-enterprise-startups-2012-9
13:33 < delinquentme> this is true.
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15:02 < kanzure> not bad:
15:02 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_history_of_private_equity
15:02 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_private_equity_and_venture_capital
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15:46 < kanzure> http://blog.ted.com/2012/09/14/diy-biohack-fellows-friday-with-oliver-medvedik/
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17:04 < skorket> do they offer access to the lab?
17:04 < delinquentme> So I just had a recruiter try to talk me down on my hourly rate with a geographical argument
17:04 < delinquentme> including such amazing lines as:
17:04 < delinquentme> " I'm sure we can pay you whatever you like -- because people in your area dont ask for much "
17:05 < delinquentme> me: ...
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17:36 < kanzure> delinquentme: you shouldn't tell the recruiter, really.
17:37 < delinquentme> I mean I just threw out a number to get through to the company
17:37 < delinquentme> but like
17:37 < delinquentme> recruiters IDK
17:37 < delinquentme> thats a whole other game
17:37 < delinquentme> its one of those "gatekeeper" situations
17:37 < delinquentme> kanzure, have you ever worked w bazaar?
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17:37 < kanzure> once or twice. not regularly.
17:38 < kanzure> i hope you mean the dcvs.
17:38 < kanzure> dvcs.
17:38 < delinquentme> yar
17:38 < delinquentme> I'm kind of building up the relations and the naming as compared to git
17:38 < delinquentme> brb! moar watar!
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17:40 < kanzure> how about you just use git instead?
17:41 < delinquentme> i dont want to scare older devs :D
17:41 < delinquentme> basically im playing nicely with the other kids
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17:54 < brownies> kanzure: https://github.com/videlalvaro/gifsockets
17:59 < kanzure> doesn't this use canvas?
18:00 < kanzure> maybe not
18:02 < kanzure> brownies: so the other hn thread is something about a lawsuit about 'android license verification library'
18:02 < kanzure> i wonder if they are scanning android apps for ones that use that library to sue
18:02 < kanzure> or if it's just happen-chance
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18:06 < brownies> kanzure: it uses animated GIFs, like it says
18:06 < brownies> kanzure: interesting though about scanning for laqsuit fodder...
18:09 < kanzure> brownies: it's certainly an evil thought, heh
18:10 < kanzure> but realistically i doubt they are scanning android apps, otherwise they would be picking more interesting targets
18:10 < kanzure> i mean, especially considering that microsoft spent 8 years fighting them and finally settling
18:10 < kanzure> it's not like some random android app company is going to be able to fight them anyway
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18:33 < delinquentme> nmz787, hey where about in pgh are you staying?
18:42 < kanzure> operation gradual honeypot
18:46 < delinquentme> O_o;;;
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18:51 < nmz787> north side
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19:03 < nmz787> some of these are absolutely boring and lame like middle school
19:03 < nmz787> https://www.facebook.com/IgemMemes
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19:05 < kanzure> "do you really think that is dna you are pipetting" "yes with a 90% confidence interval"
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19:05 < kanzure> that facebook page has more activity than openwetware
19:07 < kanzure> "holy shit, biobricks don't need to work before you submit them" aaaahhh assholes
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19:16 < delinquentme> whats happening here...?
19:16 < delinquentme> lol is this some iGEM meme competition? O_o;
19:16 < kanzure> no
19:44 < delinquentme> I wish there was a simple way to instantly grab all of the data on whos driving where
19:44 < delinquentme> it will be once cars are automated
19:44 < delinquentme> but like
19:45 < delinquentme> im sure there are people driving between chicago and PGH right now
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19:45 < delinquentme> but like
19:45 < delinquentme> HOW do you find them
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20:08 < delinquentme> http://www.aninews.in/newsdetail9/story73665/new-technology-can-print-3d-blood-vessels-in-mere-seconds.html
20:09 < kanzure> why do you read the news?
20:17 < Mokbortolan_> to occupy my time
20:19 < kanzure> if he needs stuff to do, i have some dirty laundry programming for him
20:22 < kanzure> brownies: hah http://deckfoundry.com/
20:24 < delinquentme> kanzure, thats cool dude!
20:26 < kanzure> no it's hilarious
20:27 < kanzure> the reality is that if you're pitching, you should be making tons of pitch decks on your own upwards and downwards
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20:45 < kanzure> yashgaroth: hi
20:45 < yashgaroth> yo
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20:56 < brownies> kanzure: just saw that deckfoundry link. i fucking love it.
20:57 < brownies> kanzure: we should start up a competing service to do that, but with hipster bullshit html5/JS decks
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20:57 < kanzure> "Array Buffers open up a whole new world."
20:57 < brownies> "use our idiotic service, and we'll dress up your bullshit business with fancy JS animations and get it on featured on HACKER NEWS!!!111"
20:57 < kanzure> "Array Buffers are an $8 billion dollar market."
20:57 < brownies> only .. hmm... $3000.
20:57 < brownies> eh, $5000.
20:58 < brownies> kanzure: i think the idea here is that you make the deck and send it to them, and then they just make it not look like shit.
20:58 < kanzure> oh i see
20:59 < kanzure> ok that's not as bad as i thought
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20:59 < kanzure> it would be hilarious if they just collect pitch decks, and then repurpose them
20:59 < brownies> kanzure: these sample decks are really awful.
20:59 < kanzure> "oh yeah, there was another one doing instagram for cats the other day, here just use this one.. they raised $1.2 mil"
20:59 < brownies> they don't know how to design a presentation at all.
21:00 < kanzure> i think you prolly have more experience dude
21:00 < kanzure> like haven't you reviewed >100 decks?
21:00 < brownies> several hundred
21:00 < kanzure> do you have copies?
21:00 < brownies> i plead the fifth
21:00 < kanzure> neat
21:01 < kanzure> i guess that's not a huge advantage.. "here's a lot of shit that failed"
21:01 < brownies> point is, i don't know if these guys have ever even *pitched* a VC ... even once.
21:01 < brownies> kanzure: the experience of seeing all those pitches in person was worth far more than just a pile of PDFs
21:01 < brownies> a hypothetical pile of PDFs, i mean.
21:01 < kanzure> oh you were pitched in person? awesome
21:02 < kanzure> i get the feeling that a lot of these "rolling seed round" guys are following a pattern
21:02 < kanzure> but it's not exactly an excellent pattern, just a sort of average-performing thing.. they ask around and people tell them to do a rolling seed round, and what sorta deck to slap together.
21:03 < kanzure> (and then they end up taking crappy convertible notes because they're idiots)
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21:08 < kanzure> brownies: this is the deckfoundry person http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=dh
21:11 < brownies> kanzure: yes, there is a "way it's done" ... and depending on where your investors are in the pecking order, you'll get prescribed a different "way"
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21:11 < brownies> kanzure: rolling rounds are a good recipe for getting fucked though.
21:12 < brownies> well, i guess, as always, it depends on the terms.
21:12 < kanzure> i think 'rolling rounds' are being suggested because otherwise you're unlikely to get a first round closed
21:12 < brownies> kanzure: well, yeah, it happens when you can't convince enough people to invest right away.
21:13 < brownies> if you do it right, though... i've seen a round go from start to finish in a matter of weeks.
21:15 < brownies> kanzure: another such service http://prettify.co/
21:15 < kanzure> was it hot shit, or just average shit?
21:15 < kanzure> that got done in a week, i mean
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21:15 < brownies> kanzure: weeks, plural.
21:15 < brownies> it was hot shit.
21:16 < brownies> not the sort of b2c stuff that makes TC readers froth at the mouth, but... it was compelling.
21:16 < kanzure> what industry?
21:16 < brownies> finance
21:17 < kanzure> b2c finance?
21:17 < brownies> no, it was b2b in finance. that's my point.
21:17 < kanzure> why were you reviewing a finance deal?
21:17  * kanzure scratches his head
21:17 < brownies> eh?
21:17 < brownies> they provided a service in the finance industry. they were raising a round. they came to us. so we reviewed it.
21:18 < kanzure> ok. i thought the angel group you were pimping for was more specific than that, but nevermind.
21:18 < brownies> nah, we saw all kinds of verticals. that was one of the cool things about it.
21:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you have any recommended reading for solid DevOps with RoR/Git and like a normal SQL DB?
21:20 < kanzure> yes, read the fucking man pages
21:20 < kanzure> fix your understanding of git
21:21 < kanzure> also read all the docs for chef, fabric, puppet, some random load balancers, some random sql sharding+mirroring crap, learn your package manager and make sure you have images ready to spin up
21:21 < brownies> haha
21:21 < kanzure> brownies: this is my 5 second crash course in devops, you see
21:22 < delinquentme> annndddd
21:22 < delinquentme> thats a no
21:22 < kanzure> i just suggested tons of things to read dude
21:22 < brownies> read ALL the things
21:23 < delinquentme> you've got names
21:23 < delinquentme> doesnt mean you got an understanding
21:23 < delinquentme> :D
21:23 < delinquentme> I mean all of those are fun
21:23 < ParahSailin_> thats why i've given up on giving people free advice, kanzure
21:23 < brownies> i think that noobs basically move through the 5 stages of grief when dealing with RTFM
21:23 < brownies> first comes denial... and then you'll work your way through anger, bargaining, and the other ones i've forgotten, before finally ending on acceptance
21:23 < brownies> when, hopefully, you'll read the damn thing.
21:23 < kanzure> which stage is "kanzure doesn't have an understanding according to me"?
21:24 < brownies> in this case? denial.
21:24 < kanzure> lesson: don't deny me
21:24 < brownies> =P
21:25 < ParahSailin_> delinquentme, have you considered skilled labor as a career?
21:25 < delinquentme> man
21:25 < kanzure> delinquentme: also, setup your pagerduty stuff.
21:25 < delinquentme> there is so much dick sucking going on here
21:25 < delinquentme> brownies, wtf
21:25 < delinquentme> ParahSailin_, wth
21:25 < kanzure> it's because i'm right
21:25 < yashgaroth> ah here we go "O'Reilly - solid DevOps with RoR/Git and like a normal SQL DB, 4th Ed.pdf"
21:25 < delinquentme> I think eminem has a song like this
21:26 < yashgaroth> whoops am I too late for the fellating
21:26 < kanzure> yashgaroth: get in line sooner dude!! i'm all outta jizz over here
21:26 < delinquentme> also rtfm is a shitty solution
21:26 < ParahSailin_> http://www.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs.html
21:26 < yashgaroth> dang I'll check back tomorrow
21:26 < kanzure> delinquentme: knowing the manual is your job.
21:26 < ParahSailin_> nothing fucking wrong with skilled labor, so stop stigmatizing irrationally
21:27 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: what is "skilled labor"?
21:27 < brownies> RTFM isn't the solution
21:27 < brownies> RTFM is step fucking one of the solution
21:28 < kanzure> like before you get hired
21:28 < ParahSailin_> kanzure, a trade one might have gone to vocational school to do in the olden days
21:28 < brownies> if you try to build a massive infrastructure without an understanding of the tools you're using to build it... you're going to have a bad time.
21:28 < delinquentme> There was a post made SPECIFICALLY about this .. its called something like " it is no longer possible to know everything there is to know"
21:28 < delinquentme> tldr
21:29 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: i'm pretty sure the stigma is artificial at this point.. nobody wants people to realize how much you can make as a plumber.
21:29 < delinquentme> you're an idiot if you really RTFM
21:29 < delinquentme> or you dont value your time
21:29 < brownies> jesus man
21:29 < kanzure> delinquentme: stop saying "tldr"
21:29 < brownies> no one asked you to learn everything in the entire goddamn universe
21:29 < delinquentme> kanzure, dont say rtfm !
21:29 < brownies> it's like 10 pages of reading
21:29 < kanzure> you asked me for things to read
21:29 < brownies> maybe 100
21:29 < delinquentme> brownies, when its not
21:29 < ParahSailin_> kanzure, i imagine federally guaranteed college loans had a lot to do with it
21:29 < kanzure> what is the stack anyway?
21:30 < delinquentme> and dont act like im getting defensive when you're all dick suckey chummy about RTFMing
21:30 < brownies> rofl
21:30 < brownies> i bet if you go to the other channels they'll also tell you to RTFM
21:30 < brownies> you see... we're all in cahoots.
21:30 < ParahSailin_> just saying, maybe the high intellectual path is not for you
21:30 < delinquentme> brownies, and the earth is flat
21:30 < delinquentme> yes
21:31 < delinquentme> cahoots
21:31 < kanzure> no seriously, what is the stack.
21:31 < delinquentme> hay bails
21:31 < delinquentme> hey?
21:31 < kanzure> you said something about rails and git
21:31 < kanzure> are you running the rails server in production??
21:31 < kanzure> because don't do that
21:31 < delinquentme> nah nah
21:31 < delinquentme> apache
21:32 < kanzure> phusion passenger?
21:32 < delinquentme> yar its in there
21:32 < ParahSailin_> push ebp; mov ebp, esp; sub esp 9001;
21:32 < kanzure> dedicated or ec2?
21:32 < delinquentme> dedicated atm
21:33 < delinquentme> but wanna know something awesome?
21:33 < kanzure> do you have a separate db server?
21:33 < delinquentme> we dont have db root access
21:33 < delinquentme> YEAH
21:33 < ParahSailin_> yeah bitch, stacks
21:33 < delinquentme> HMMmm
21:33 < delinquentme> wait a min
21:33 < kanzure> ok so since you're devops, your goal should be to get off of dedicated since you know nothing about it
21:34 < kanzure> dedicated failover is a different beast
21:34 < kanzure> jrayhawk: you could probably chime in about that.
21:34  * delinquentme impressed
21:34 < kanzure> but realistically when you have a fire, it's going to be a reinstall request with the data center, which is like an 8 hour response time.
21:35 < kanzure> unless you genuinely have failover chops that i'm unaware of
21:35 < delinquentme> ec2 is an option
21:35 < delinquentme> fledgeling sysadmin
21:36 < brownies> why not just host on Heroku?
21:37  * kanzure nods
21:38 < jrayhawk> estimate the cost of downtime, plan backups/redundancy accordingly
21:38 < kanzure> know your system cold.. if 5min of downtime is $20,000, you better not be looking things up in ##hplusroadmap
21:38 < jrayhawk> this conversation is hard to follow
21:38 < delinquentme> its a thought that passed
21:38 < kanzure> 'cause i will totally send you an invoice
21:39  * brownies nods
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21:39  * delinquentme coughs
21:39 < brownies> heroku.com it is
21:39 < kanzure> yep
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21:39 < jrayhawk> i recommend paying jrayhawk giant piles of money for hosting
21:40 < jrayhawk> it is a good policy
21:40 < kanzure> i could get behind that.. if i can have a kickback maybe?
21:41 < jrayhawk> your kickback is a vserver that you never use
21:41 < jrayhawk> truly, an invaluable kickback
21:41 < brownies> a whole vserver! wow!
21:42 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i have some stuff i am going to be running on it soon, i promise
21:42 < kanzure> also i used it the other day for downloading play.google.com
21:42 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/android/android-apps-free-2012-09-03.txt
21:42 < kanzure> damn that was 11 days ago?
21:43 < brownies> quit being so lazy.
21:43 < kanzure> i took on a silly contract, so i was doing "work"
21:43 < jrayhawk> yeah, i can vicariously feel productive through your use of my services
21:43 < jrayhawk> get to work!
21:43 < kanzure> i don't know why i did that.. it wasn't worth my time
21:44 < jrayhawk> oh hello, there's a funny piny bug on your vserver
21:44 < kanzure> brownies: btw, if you need a devops person, hire jrayhawk.
21:44 < kanzure> he has been considering sf
21:46 < brownies> why would we need a devops person when we have a series of increasingly complicated bash scripts?
21:47 < kanzure> i don't think you understand.. that's precisely what jrayhawk is.
21:47 < jrayhawk> haha
21:47 < jrayhawk> oh please
21:47 < jrayhawk> i am posix compliant
21:47 < kanzure> that must hurt
21:47 < jrayhawk> it does a little. i miss having list expansion.
22:11 < kanzure> neat, i wish i knew about the \n~. trick earlier :(
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22:26 < jrayhawk> Hmmm?
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22:34 < kanzure> jrayhawk: sometimes my ssh session times out when i get disconnected from interwebs, and i hadn't figured out how to close the session properly
22:35 < kanzure> because c-c is passed through, and everything else
22:35 < kanzure> i mean, this is a better option than trying to figure out which pid corresponds to which terminal tab
22:38 < jrayhawk> man ssh
22:38 < jrayhawk>  /escape
22:40 < jrayhawk>  /ESCAPE is better, i guess
22:41 < kanzure> doesn't seem to do anything
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22:41 < jrayhawk> Has to be following a newline.
22:42 < kanzure> nope..
22:42 < jrayhawk> It's possible you also hit ctrl-s on it in which case ctrl-q is necessary to fix it.
22:43 < kanzure> still not doing it for me
22:43 < kanzure> i should note that the connection is currently active i guess
22:43 < kanzure> but meanwhile \n~. still works
22:44 < kanzure> oh derr. you said 'man ssh'. i missed that part.
22:44 < jrayhawk> ha ha ha
22:45 < kanzure> \n/ESCAPE\n/<escape> grr fucking rayhawk locusts god damn it
22:45 < jrayhawk> haha man i didn't even know you were aware of that meme
22:46 < kanzure> i think jules called you guys locusts once
22:46 < kanzure> it seemed to fit
22:46 < kanzure> i think tapeworm might be a more apt analogy
22:48 < jrayhawk> "Fucking Rayhawks are like locusts!" came from a series of UT2k4 and/or Q3 games at a LAN party in probably only two of us were playing.
22:48 < kanzure> maybe i was there in spirit or spectator mode
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