--- Log opened Sun Sep 23 00:00:34 2012 00:02 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: devrandom, Sanqui 00:11 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:47 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:58 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:25 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 02:23 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 02:24 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:53 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:13 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:14 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 03:33 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:34 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@m176-68-239-12.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:51 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:01 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 04:13 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:17 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:35 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06 < Mokbortolan_> jrayhawk: Online? 05:31 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:14 < cluckj> the thing is, if they ever did do something like that, it'd be in India, where they don't have the ethical objections, and human life is cheap 06:14 < cluckj> that's pretty awful, and stupid 06:14 < cluckj> oh, he left 06:18 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:19 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-137-160-85.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-137-160-85.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 06:19 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 <@kanzure> boop 07:20 <@kanzure> hah so people apparently don't know make magazine and makerbot are two different companies: 07:20 <@kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/2012/09/22/makerbots-mixed-messages-about-open-source-their-future/ 07:31 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95.161.252.108] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95.161.252.108] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 08:25 < skorket> that's why it's so distressing. Makerbot was clearly a nod to Make magazine 08:27 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:00 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 09:02 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95.161.252.108] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 < kirka> Well, I compressed "Nanosystems": http://rghost.ru/40534521 09:21 <@kanzure> why? :P 09:22 < kirka> kanzure Now it's just 15MB djvu 09:22 <@kanzure> ok 09:22 < kirka> Now I can upoad and distribute it 09:22 < kirka> I already done it 09:23 <@kanzure> side-by-side C++ to asm visualization http://assembly.ynh.io/ 09:23 <@kanzure> oh, and C 09:23 < kirka> Cool 09:27 <@kanzure> DARPA/hackerspaces/space thing http://www.spacegambit.org/2012/09/21/spacegambit-program-awarded/ 09:28 < AlonzoTG> I guess that's a nice tool for noobs but the pros either read their assembler in the dubgger or use the flag which causes GCC to spew assembly instead of object code. 09:29 <@kanzure> definitely. 09:30 <@kanzure> i think it would be fun to attach webkit inspector to gdb 09:30 < kirka> Visualisation is a convenient thing. I speak it as a person who has written read-pnly FAT driver in assembly@AVR 09:31 <@kanzure> why are you using FAT :( 09:31 <@kanzure> how about xfs or ext3/ext4? 09:31 <@kanzure> kirka: is icq still popular in russia? or is it qq now? 09:32 < ParahSailin> qq chinese only 09:32 <@kanzure> not true.. i use qq :( 09:32 <@kanzure> 2302976763 09:32 < kirka> kanzure Well, my EE friend uses it 09:32 < ParahSailin> i have qq too, but i only use it to talk to chinese 09:33 < kirka> kanzure It was long ago 09:33 < kirka> XMPP is used widely today 09:34 <@kanzure> ah okay 09:34 < kirka> I have both 09:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-230-63.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:45 < Urchin> thanks kirka, that djvu is more managable 09:46 < kirka> I'm glad you like it 09:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-230-63.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:54 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:00 -!- wizzorb [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:08 -!- hifrog [~swamp@p5B16E913.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- soylentbomb [~k@d149-67-118-140.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- soylentbomb [~k@d149-67-118-140.col.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Changing host] 10:17 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:20 <@kanzure> http://www.theappside.com/2012/09/17/23andme-opens-up-its-api-allowing-you-to-do-more-with-your-dna/ 10:20 <@kanzure> https://api.23andme.com/ 10:26 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:12 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:22 -!- cpopell_ [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:31 -!- cpopell_ [ad42e490@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.66.228.144] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 11:53 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 < kirka> kanzure Looks like there was interest in NE1: http://machinedesign.com/article/molecular-modeling-in-cad-0928 11:57 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Client Quit] 12:05 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 12:18 < chris_99> interesting article 12:19 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 12:38 <@kanzure> "Allan Hills 84001 was a Mars-origin meteorite that contained what looked like fossil evidence of microbes, in the form of magnetosomes." eh? 12:40 < kirka> >magnetosomes 12:40 < kirka> Newver heard about that 12:40 < kirka> Looks suspicious 12:40 <@kanzure> http://synbiota.com/diybio/mars_analogue_papers.zip 12:41 < kirka> Wep page unavailable 12:42 <@kanzure> ok then here's a backup: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/mars_analogue_papers.zip 12:42 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/mars_analogue_papers/ 12:42 < kirka> Thanks 12:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:59 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:04 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:18 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:19 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 * kirka sleeps 14:20 -!- kirka [~Kirka@95.161.252.108] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 14:25 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:26 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:26 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:27 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:27 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:27 <@kanzure> "No hardware licenses were violated since they designed it all and i think their mobo sits on top of an arduino. They designed the motherboard along with all the gen3 and gen4 electronics. The extruder is also theirs. Just because they gpled does not mean they gave up their rights." 14:27 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:27 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:27 <@kanzure> oh then what's the fuss about? 14:27 <@kanzure> i thought makerbot was derivative of reprap 14:28 <@kanzure> as in, directly derivative 14:28 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:28 <@kanzure> klafka is having a seizure i think 14:28 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:29 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:29 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:30 -!- 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yashgaroth: oops 15:09 -!- highfrog [~swamp@p5B16E913.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 -!- hifrog [~swamp@p5B16E913.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:16 < nsh> eh 15:16 < nsh> i'm surprised you can excess flood that many times 15:16 < nsh> without an oper noticing 15:16 <@kanzure> i thought he'd be done in a few minutes 15:16 <@kanzure> i was wrong :( 15:39 < Mariu> maybe it's an automated thing sending too much text 15:42 <@kanzure> it's his irc client reconnecting 15:44 < Mariu> got it 15:45 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-b klafka!*@*] by kanzure 15:46 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:46 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:46 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+b klafka!*@*] by kanzure 15:46 <@kanzure> grr 15:52 < yashgaroth> haha 15:53 <@kanzure> so apparently dalvik (the java vm for android) silently fails after you have 1000 local variables 15:53 <@kanzure> https://github.com/android/platform_dalvik/blob/master/vm/Debugger.cpp#L1346 15:53 <@kanzure> it wraps around to zero 15:56 <@kanzure> oh oops, this is just the debugger 15:58 * eudoxia always defines his containers with absurdly large maximum sizes 15:58 < eudoxia> so my compiler will still be used when integers are 512 bits wide 16:04 < cpopell_> eu, what'd you think of the spreadsheet? 16:04 < eudoxia> i think a color coded tree might be the best representation 16:05 < cpopell_> what categories, though? 16:05 < eudoxia> categories on the x axis, time on the y axis, node height is the Δ, and edges are how it affects other technologies 16:06 < cpopell_> right, but my question is how to break it down by category, basically 16:06 < eudoxia> maybe you could forget about categories and just have interactions between technologies 16:08 < cpopell_> ugh 16:08 < cpopell_> that's a lot of boundaries 16:08 < cpopell_> and really shitty for report organization 16:11 < eudoxia> the categories on the Category column seem fine, though you might want to subcategorize some 16:11 < eudoxia> "Sensors and Imaging" and "HCI & NL" might go under "Computing" 16:12 < cpopell_> I mean, to an extent everything goes into computing practically 16:12 < cpopell_> hah 16:12 < cpopell_> I think that computing perhaps needs to be consumer computing with sub categories of HCI, NL, and end user 16:12 < eudoxia> well, everything is related to computing, but not everything is fundamentally computational 16:12 < cpopell_> with a secondary grouping for computing architecture that has stuff like graphene transistors, spintronics, optronics, and quantum computing 16:13 -!- marainein [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:8930:a0ca:abf:345b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13 < eudoxia> drones might be under military instead of computing, but there would be edges from machine learning etc. that would go into the drones node because they are an enabling technology 16:14 -!- 21WAAJXY7 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cyclic graph 16:20 < cpopell_> oh, the spreadsheet was actually just looking at when various firms predicted when stuff was going to come out 16:21 < cpopell_> I'm just trying to figure out how to display the data better 16:21 -!- highfrog [~swamp@p5B16E913.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Love Everything! Resistance is Futile.] 16:21 < cpopell_> I don't have data from forrester :( 16:22 -!- 21WAAJXY7 [~net@2001:388:608c:6cb5:31de:c215:a6e2:d088] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Ex-Chat"] 16:22 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-b klafka!*@*] by kanzure 16:22 <@kanzure> cpopell_: how about instead of a spreadsheet you use things like sqlalchemy and models 16:22 < brownies> klafka sorted his stuff out? 16:23 <@kanzure> no i'm just guessing 16:23 < brownies> oh ok. 16:24 < cpopell_> it's on my list, kanz, but I can only do so many things so fast 16:24 <@kanzure> a spreadsheet is just so crude. all that manual clicking. 16:24 < cpopell_> heh. I also do a lot of work at my day job, and I can't really install jack shit there 16:24 <@kanzure> you should ssh back home 16:25 < cpopell_> can't 16:25 <@kanzure> you're probably lying to me 16:25 < cpopell_> I can't access jack shit 16:25 <@kanzure> http? 16:25 < cpopell_> I can't install anything without IT permission 16:25 < cpopell_> half the internet is blocked 16:25 <@kanzure> what about your home ip? 16:25 < cpopell_> nope, can't access it 16:26 <@kanzure> you checked? they specifically blocked your home address? 16:26 < cpopell_> probably because I haven't set it up 16:26 < cpopell_> honestly, it's a lot more work to do that 16:26 < cpopell_> than to organize my thoughts in a spreadsheet 16:26 <@kanzure> for a transhumanist you really hate technology 16:26 <@kanzure> just saying... 16:27 < eudoxia> christ kanz don't hate on it just because it's not in a git repo 16:27 <@kanzure> i didn't even bring up git yet 16:27 < cpopell_> as far as model based, I'll get to that after I build my first release 16:28 <@kanzure> have you used uncertainfuture.git's prediction format yet 16:28 < cpopell_> I'm not even up to 'makig new predictions yet', I'm still at 'figuring out state of the science' as well as building my networks. 16:28 <@kanzure> what is a network 16:28 < cpopell_> dudes who can tell their bosses to have me come in and give seminars 16:29 < eudoxia> when i come back from dinner I'll try putting it into a clustered DOT graph 16:29 <@kanzure> um.. about spreadsheets? 16:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-230-63.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29 < cpopell_> no, about the state of the science 16:29 <@kanzure> anyway, nothing about uncertainfuture is about new predictions 16:29 <@kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/uncertainfuture 16:29 <@kanzure> this was a project sponsored by your beloved siai for predictions 16:29 <@kanzure> and then open sourced after i heckled them enough or something 16:30 < cpopell_> did I ever say siai was beloved to me? O_o 16:30 <@kanzure> i assumed so because you like reddit and lesswrong 16:30 < cpopell_> they have better communities than the rest of the hplus movement (yes I know you hate the word) 16:30 <@kanzure> mozart's 5th movement in c sharp 16:30 < cpopell_> and I don't exactly post to lesswrong 16:40 <@kanzure> okay. 16:40 < cpopell_> anyway. I need to go do my article crawl 16:40 <@kanzure> a crawler written in excel macros? 16:41 < cpopell_> reading my rss feeds 16:43 <@kanzure> that's the number one way to get infected with newsitis, you know... 16:51 < strangewarp> RSS used to make me go "AWESOME" but now it makes me go "ergh" 16:52 < strangewarp> switching from news feeds to shop-talk feeds has helped 16:52 <@kanzure> i stopped bothering with rss aggregation once i realized how awful everything was (and yes i filtered and pruned and found "better" sources) 16:53 <@kanzure> i do sort of need a good rss feed for new software/hardware projects, but nobody is aggregating those at sufficient scale except for github's silly "what's new" feed 16:54 <@kanzure> and thingiverse's firehose is also a firehose one shouldn't drink from 16:54 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@209-6-62-26.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03 < nsh> rss is kinda dead 17:03 < nsh> also, kanzure, stop lording it over us 17:06 < cpopell_> nsh: rss is good for tracking certain blogs 17:06 < cpopell_> and yeah, some rss feeds are dead :( 17:06 * nsh nods 17:06 < cpopell_> like most of the office of technology licensing feeds 17:06 < cpopell_> sigh 17:06 < cpopell_> I'm the only subscriber to JHU's 17:12 <@kanzure> i don't think their goal is to publicize their licensing activities 17:12 < cpopell_> mm, nominally they have a goal of publicizing what's available for licensing 17:13 <@kanzure> i don't think rss is dead. i was just complaining that i don't have a feed i actually want to read any more. 17:13 <@kanzure> no? 17:13 <@kanzure> usually the way it goes down is that someone from a lab decides to start a company with some "intellectual property" from the lab 17:13 <@kanzure> and it's not investors picking things from a lunch menu over rss.. 17:27 < cpopell_> there's a lot of university OTLs that just have a list of what's available 17:27 <@kanzure> reeaallly. 17:27 <@kanzure> do you have one? 17:33 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08 < brownies> RSS is dead? 18:08 < brownies> that's news to me 18:11 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:13 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX 18:13 <@kanzure> this is going to be my new hipster browser 18:13 <@kanzure> i will browse ironically 18:16 <@kanzure> "Internet Explorer for UNIX offers some features not found on the Windows version as well, such as Emacs-style keyboard shortcuts and external program associations." 18:16 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:17 < Mariu> xD 18:18 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18 <@kanzure> http://browsers.evolt.org/archive/ie/solaris/5.0/ie5setup.gz 18:20 <@kanzure> oops i mean http://browsers-fr.mirrors.zensoft.net/ie/solaris/5.0/ie5setup.gz 18:23 -!- tashoutang [~tata@pc131090206.ntunhs.edu.tw] has quit [] 18:29 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29 -!- archels [~foo@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:52 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:59 <@kanzure> 16:55 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:59 <@kanzure> hah so that's hwo it ended 19:02 -!- skorket [~skorket@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:18 <@kanzure> beep boop 19:31 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:32 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:32 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:32 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:32 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:32 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+b klafka!*@*] by kanzure 19:37 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-b klafka!*@*] by kanzure 19:48 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:54 -!- Cat4D [182bc9d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.43.201.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:18 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29 <@kanzure> https://github.com/celery/celery/pull/1000 20:29 <@kanzure> neat, i gnabbed their 1000th pull request. 21:01 -!- AdrienG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:03 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:07 -!- alusion [~alusion@pool-173-79-17-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14 < brownies> kanzure: it turns out that .css.erb is compiled down to .css by the asset pipeline during deployment 21:14 < brownies> (assuming you precompile assets before deploying, like any reasonable person should) 21:14 < brownies> so, long story short, there's zero performance hit 21:21 <@kanzure> oh good 21:21 <@kanzure> i can sleep better tonight 21:25 <@kanzure> brownies: how do you handle tasks that are part of a logical sequence of events 21:25 <@kanzure> celery wants me to make a list of flat functions that i call 21:25 <@kanzure> and iirc my resque workers were always individual task classes loosely connected to each other 21:26 <@kanzure> but um. what happened to things like namespaces? 21:30 <@kanzure> why is peter-murray rust commenting on celery stuff in a blog 21:30 <@kanzure> http://www.michaelnielsen.org/ddi/how-to-crawl-a-quarter-billion-webpages-in-40-hours/ 21:31 <@kanzure> (he spoke at open science summit about open knowledge foundation a few years ago) 21:31 <@kanzure> and michael nielsen? wtf is going on there 21:36 <@kanzure> heh.. https://github.com/petterw/crawler/blob/master/fetcher.py so what's the point of using an asynchronous task library if you use blocking calls to your http library? 21:38 <@kanzure> oh i see now. that was michael nielsen's site. that's a good reason to see michael nielsen on there. 21:39 < brownies> kanzure: what? logical sequence of events? 21:39 < brownies> wrap the task inside a bigger task? 21:40 <@kanzure> well look at that file for instance 21:40 <@kanzure> and ignore the fact that he is calling blocking things in each task -_- 21:40 <@kanzure> he fetches a page, and then passes the results to another task 21:41 <@kanzure> i guess this could be separated by different task files 21:43 < brownies> what's wrong with calling blocking things inside a task that's running in the background? 21:43 < brownies> it's blocking a single background thread, no big deal 21:44 < brownies> also, i don't know Celery, so it's hard for me to grok any (a)synchronicity here 21:44 <@kanzure> because you then limit the number of concurrent threads/workers by the number of files you can have open, rather than other things like memory 21:44 <@kanzure> celery looks an awful lot like resque from the outside, so uh, just imagine these are Resqueue::Task entries 21:44 < brownies> kanzure: it appears that line 14 is the magic 21:45 < brownies> he applies the actual parsing of the HTML in an asynchronous fashion 21:45 < brownies> kanzure: i also don't know Resque -_- 21:45 <@kanzure> yeah 21:45 <@kanzure> what does delayed_job use anyway? 21:45 <@kanzure> you use delayed_job right? 21:45 < brownies> yeah 21:46 < brownies> it uses a jackass schemaless SQL table with serialized objects stuffed into it 21:46 <@kanzure> oh ouch 21:46 < brownies> a given thread grabs a task by setting locked = TRUE on a given row ... then works on it... then releases the lock and sets the status 21:46 < brownies> it's really quite straightforward. 21:47 < brownies> it's basically the simplest possible thing that could work, and it does, so... we haven't made it more complicated. 21:47 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: roksprok] 21:52 <@kanzure> brownies: it's amusing, there's all these comments debating the pro's/con's about gevent vs. eventlet.. " 21:52 <@kanzure> "Since I'm connecting to MySQL, which happens through blocking C code in libmysql, that's pretty important to me. " 21:53 <@kanzure> "In your case you could switch to a pure Python MySQL driver and gevent will turn all your mySQL calls into async." 21:53 <@kanzure> who exactly is being limited by synchronous mysql connections? 21:53 <@kanzure> s/connections/connecting 22:02 <@kanzure> "databases suck for messaging" http://oxford.geeknights.net/2009/may-27th/talks/keynote-AlexisRichardson.pdf 22:02 < brownies> does he mean SQL databases? 22:02 <@kanzure> probably yes 22:02 <@kanzure> apparently flickr does that 22:02 <@kanzure> for all of their things. 22:03 < brownies> they use SQL for everything? yes, many people do. 22:06 < brownies> the whole rambling point of these fucking slides was to use RabbitmQ? 22:06 < brownies> goddamn. 22:06 < brownies> i need to find a real book about distributed systems architecture and/or messaging middleware and read it. 22:06 < brownies> i sense that it's important, but the internet is just full of shitty slides. 22:07 <@kanzure> do you remember those old school html slide presentations? 22:07 <@kanzure> like back before CGI was well-known 22:07 <@kanzure> i forget what tool generated these. but the internet is full of these "web presentations". 22:12 -!- jmil_ [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:14 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:14 -!- jmil_ is now known as jmil 22:16 <@kanzure> brownies: read here https://groups.google.com/group/gevent/browse_thread/thread/4de9703e5dca8271 22:16 <@kanzure> heh the omegle guy responds. it's just a thread of people using gevent and why. 22:17 <@kanzure> oh hrm. https://bitbucket.org/denis/gevent-curl 22:20 < brownies> omegle runs on python? that's... ambitious. 22:20 <@kanzure> i thought it was some random-ass node experiment 22:33 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:42 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@pool-108-39-145-80.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:51 -!- OldCoder is now known as TiredCoder 22:53 -!- nsh [~ll@host86-137-160-85.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:53 -!- nsh [~ll@host86-137-160-85.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:53 -!- nsh [~ll@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:57 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 23:26 -!- wizzorb [~usorid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:48 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:48 -!- nsh [~ll@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48 < wizzorb> DIY BIO 23:48 < wizzorb> fool 23:48 < wizzorb> do it 23:58 -!- roksprok_ [~Zac@adsl-64-169-176-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:59 -!- roksprok [~Zac@adsl-75-36-187-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:59 -!- roksprok_ is now known as roksprok --- Log closed Mon Sep 24 00:00:35 2012