--- Log opened Wed Nov 14 00:00:12 2012 00:05 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@static-50-43-43-17.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:45 -!- Coornail [~Coornail@li66-97.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 00:57 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pzkkgivaxwipkutc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kxinmafyvpodyjnj] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:12 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hzguyepswowtimfu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:18 -!- Lemminkainen_ [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dozgvqdjosgziglx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:53 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:58 -!- user123abc [~sally@67.171.79.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03 < kanzure> eri gentry again :\ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4k2uUW56ZU 03:39 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:46 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-81-14-211.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:18 -!- mgodinho [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/mgodinho] has quit [] 04:46 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:03 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 05:28 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- thoughtcrime [~doomboxsa@75.105.12.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:16 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-200-47.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:41 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - 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Honestly... culture the yeast en masse and market the beer to frats, instant microbrew success story! And only sort of unethical maybe 21:57 -!- foucist [~foucist@ps14150.dreamhost.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:04 < kanzure> foucist: hi 22:07 < foucist> AIEEEE! 22:07 < foucist> it speaks to me 22:08 < foucist> just autojoining up in here! 22:10 < docl> hi foucist 22:10 < docl> how goes? 22:11 < foucist> decent! 22:11 < foucist> how about you buddy? 22:11 * docl has been studying biochemistry 22:11 < docl> doing pretty good 22:11 < foucist> cool beans 22:11 < foucist> studying biochem on your own? 22:11 < docl> yep 22:11 < docl> wikipedia, online papers, etc. 22:11 < foucist> cryonics bent? ;) 22:11 < docl> yes 22:12 < docl> absolutely :) 22:12 < foucist> cryonics is simple.. just figure out how to stop all the molecules in our body simultaneously 22:12 < docl> lately I've been learning metabolism related stuff like glycogen and glucose 22:12 < foucist> or some way of storing our bodies in space 22:12 < foucist> cool 22:13 < docl> the idea with glycogen (the animal equivalent of starch) is to store glucose/sugar in a form with low molecular weight 22:13 < docl> molecular weight basically is what causes osmotic pressure 22:14 < docl> it is caused by there being lots of molecules dissolved in the solution 22:14 -!- Vicarious [diepfriet@CAcert/Vicarious] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:14 < docl> like salt and sugar 22:15 < docl> with starch or other polymers (starch is a polymer btw) you pile a bunch of the basic molecule (aka monomer) together and that makes less molecular weight 22:15 < docl> table sugar (sucrose) is a disaccharide made of glucose and it's mirror opposite, fructose 22:16 < docl> there's another cool disaccharide called trehalose that protects dehydrating organisms 22:16 < docl> it is made of two glucoses 22:16 -!- Vicarious [diepfriet@CAcert/Vicarious] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:16 < yashgaroth> glycogen has an extremely high molecular weight 22:16 < yashgaroth> I think you mean it's insoluble so it doesn't suck up water like glucose does 22:16 < docl> am I confused? hmm. 22:17 < yashgaroth> all the glucoses are covalently bonded together so they form a single molecule 22:17 < docl> I thought molecular weight was how many moles per unit of mass. I could be getting it wrong. 22:17 < foucist> yashgaroth: but what about glycogen's osmotic pressure! 22:18 < yashgaroth> since it's insoluble and not sucking up water around itself as much, it causes less osmotic pressure 22:19 < foucist> docl: how does your molecular weight definition alter the fact that glycogen is heavy? 22:19 < docl> foucist: I was assuming "weight" means something different in this context besides heaviness. 22:19 < yashgaroth> docl, molecular weight is, like, the inverse of moles per unit of mass 22:20 < yashgaroth> fewer mol(ecules) in a given weight 22:20 < docl> ah, ok. 22:21 < docl> ok. so sucrose (or trehalose) is 2x the number of atoms per molecule so twice the weight as either glucose or fructose. thus 1 gram of sucrose in 1 liter of water has half the effect on osmotic pressure as 1 gram of glucose. 22:21 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:22 < docl> because we have half the number of molecules, thus half the moles 22:23 < docl> my reasoning is that glycogen is basically an extreme version of this... it has hardly any effect because we have thousands of glucose monomers per molecule. 22:26 < ParahSailin> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1263110/ 22:31 < docl> ParahSailin: judging by the summary, they are using osmotic pressure to determine the molecular weight. 22:31 < docl> The graph shows high osmotic pressure for the lower weight molecule 22:32 < docl> (fig 4) 22:33 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:34 < docl> which makes sense with yashgaroth's explanation. big heavy molecules like glycogen = high molecular weight compared to little molecules like glucose. 22:37 < docl> molar concentration is different though 22:38 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 22:38 < docl> high molar concentration (molality or molarity depending if we are measuring vs mass or vs volume) 22:41 < ParahSailin> it's gotta have to do with activity-- for a molecule like glycogen, the activity coefficient couldnt be the same as for glucose 22:46 -!- klafka [~textual@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:54 < kanzure> user123abc: are you sally 22:54 < user123abc> never 22:54 < kanzure> alright 22:55 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:00 < docl> hmm. not sure what the activity coefficient does in this context. 23:05 < klafka> hey 23:05 < klafka> kanzure 23:05 < klafka> there you are 23:07 < kanzure> hello 23:07 < kanzure> klafka: yes i'm back 23:09 < klafka> hey so i talked to people 23:10 < klafka> they would like to know more 23:10 < klafka> i can intro you if you'd like 23:11 < kanzure> i would love intros 23:11 < kanzure> gimme intros 23:12 < kanzure> i can also throw together some slides 23:16 < klafka> ok cool 23:16 < klafka> yeah basically your 2 sentences weren't enough 23:16 < klafka> um bu tthey wanted to make sure you're not boosting installs via whatever yo're doing 23:17 < kanzure> ah, definitely not 23:17 < kanzure> yeah that's easy for me to prove 23:17 < kanzure> at worst there's only one install, but i do a fake "uninstall" which subtracts the number anyway 23:19 < klafka> cool 23:19 < klafka> yeah 23:19 < klafka> ok im me what email yo want me to intro you under 23:20 < kanzure> ah i haven't setup another email address yet 23:22 < kanzure> klafka: i have emailed you another blurb. hopefully it is more descriptive. 23:26 -!- thoughtcrime [~doomboxsa@75.105.12.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26 < kanzure> setting up a call soemtime would be ideal 23:26 < kanzure> *sometime 23:26 < kanzure> these things usually happen via phone 23:36 -!- sheena [~home@S010600222de5570f.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 < sheena> so i got some urine testing sticks off ebay. i'll be trying them out on 'healthy' dogs this weekend to see how they measure up 23:38 < sheena> still seeking a refractometer though 23:43 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Thu Nov 15 00:00:14 2012