--- Log opened Sat Dec 08 00:00:29 2012 --- Day changed Sat Dec 08 2012 00:00 < juri_> sourceforge? ugh. 00:00 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:27 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 03:32 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:33 -!- ilmarinen [u2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udemqnwcfovzqwbh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:15 -!- ilmarinen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-likswxzawxxjayda] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:29 -!- _sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:55 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-175-176.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:58 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:55 <@kanzure> eww eugen leitl uses openqwap 07:55 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:03 <@kanzure> gah i wish i knew about %cpaste in ipython earlier 08:22 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-150-200.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:22 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@adsl-69-151-150-200.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:22 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- audy [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:30 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:34 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:34 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:37 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:37 -!- audy [~audy@heyaudy.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:40 -!- audy [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:51 -!- antifas is now known as ArmilusDajjal 09:18 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.119.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.119.76] has quit [Changing host] 10:31 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 <@kanzure> just some rom hacking stuff: 10:38 <@kanzure> http://aurellem.org/vba-clojure/html/total-control.html (pokemon automation) 10:38 <@kanzure> https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=explorer&srcid=0Bz16_qdX0WIZSTVGSnBxeGstNGM&docid=517e737b0ccd07a76ee7abc863e7d923%7C5ad2bd8827a046134b30bf3902cdc58e&chan=EAAAAEE%2BVhIU6/3OGe73DwvASBIiRBAXReo/1/aClWvsTHtX&a=v&rel=zip;z4;n64_cic_nus_6105.c (banjo tooie key extractor) 10:40 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-166-125.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:47 <@kanzure> ah this is a better link for that last one: 10:47 <@kanzure> http://forum.pj64-emu.com/showthread.php?t=2644 10:47 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48 < delinquentme> kanzure, are you in #rubyonrails 10:49 <@kanzure> yes 10:56 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:59 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 < delinquentme> I'm looking for market advice. I'm seeking a class of wet-lab researchers who also happen to be programmers. Specifically I'm looking for a market of scientists who would be fast-adopters for open source lab hardware. I've got a shaker I'm building ( wildly unoriginal ... however its entirely open source hardware ) and I'm curious who you think might be quick to pick up this tech. 11:08 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 < yashgaroth> delinquentme that's about three people 11:10 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, maybe 11:10 < yashgaroth> why do I have to program the stirrer? I'm busy moving small volumes of liquid between vials 11:11 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, I know that liquid handler =[ im just assuming that someone who would want to program it as well 11:11 < delinquentme> would be the quickest adopters 11:11 <@kanzure> delinquentme: you might have to accept that there are no adopters right now. but who cares? at least your own work would be greatly accelerated with it. 11:12 < yashgaroth> but what am I programming? you're putting on a knob that has settings for RPMs, right? 11:12 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, correct anyone can use it w/o programming it 11:12 < delinquentme> but like marketing 101 is .. find a market of people who bleed, sweat and swear by your product 11:13 < delinquentme> so like single speed bikes .. hipsters 11:13 < delinquentme> i need hipsters for open source science 11:13 < delinquentme> KANZURE! 11:13 < delinquentme> bwahaha jk jk <3 11:13 <@kanzure> that's not marketing 101 11:13 < yashgaroth> you don't find a market, you build it 11:14 < yashgaroth> you should hire one of these "growth hackers" I read so much about on ycomb 11:14 <@kanzure> marketing 101 is not "build something, then complain that your customers don't exist" 11:14 < delinquentme> lolol 11:14 < delinquentme> kanzure, excuse me? 11:14 < delinquentme> its funny .. but I cant tell if theres real substance there? 11:15 <@kanzure> my interest in open hardware originates from the need to have shit that doesn't suck for projects, not because i think there's people willing to spend millions on it. if there happens to be people spending money on it, that's fantastic. but to my knowledge, there isn't, and there are systemic reasons for why this is. 11:16 <@kanzure> marketing 101 is not "build a product that nobody wants" 11:16 <@kanzure> marketing 101 owes nothing to open source hardware 11:16 < delinquentme> kanzure, lets focus on the market aspect of the discussion... 11:17 < delinquentme> what are the systematic reasons ? 11:17 < yashgaroth> systematic reasons for what 11:18 <@kanzure> we've talked about this before. i don't really feel like repeating everything because you'll just plug your ears and run off again. 11:19 < delinquentme> TLDR 11:19 < delinquentme> if you cant make it simple ... you dont understand it 11:19 <@kanzure> fuck you and your tldr 11:19 <@kanzure> get your redditisms out of here 11:20 <@kanzure> BE GONE http://longform.org/ 11:20 <@kanzure> (it's like a redditor's holy water) 11:20 < delinquentme> haha 11:20 <@kanzure> ok look, 11:21 * delinquentme sits and potatos 11:21 <@kanzure> your target demographic may not exist 11:21 < delinquentme> true 11:21 <@kanzure> there is definitely a target demographic of people who are into open source software who would like there to be more open source hardware out there, but these are not people working in a lab. 11:23 <@kanzure> like yashgaroth said, there's probably only three wetlab people in the world that are programmers that are also into open source hardware and also want to replace their lab equipment with not proprietary crap, and who have any budget over $5 11:24 < delinquentme> In thinking ... this definitely solves a problem 11:24 < delinquentme> but the thing is ... its a minor problem you know? 11:25 < delinquentme> maybe? I cant help but feel like the things which are advertised by word of mouth are vastly superior to all alternatives for a huge number of people 11:25 -!- upgrayeddd [u2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fejwwilyxfzvaziq] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25 <@kanzure> what does word of motuh have to do with anything? you're jumping around again. 11:26 <@kanzure> have you collected the 10 signed statements of intents to purchase from people yet? 11:26 <@kanzure> it's one of the things you probably don't remember us telling you to do.. 11:27 < delinquentme> word of mouth is that stuff that the core user group does 11:27 < delinquentme> kanzure, on the LH no 11:27 < delinquentme> I've got 2 for the shaker 11:59 -!- ilmarinen_ [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvphmybyjodrxhyz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- ilmarinen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-likswxzawxxjayda] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13 <@kanzure> some dna assembly papers: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/dna-assembly/ 12:28 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-175-176.shv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:34 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:40 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:42 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:42 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 12:49 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:52 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:59 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 13:17 -!- Urchin [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- upgrayeddd [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jlkhwvcfdracqfqk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:30 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:30 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 13:42 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:52 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:58 -!- srangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:58 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-173-247-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58 -!- srangewarp is now known as strangewarp 14:06 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-166-125.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.173.208.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:53 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-175-176.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:58 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.173.208.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 -!- Urchin [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:58 <@kanzure> bleep 17:04 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ilmarinen_ 17:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: docl 17:16 -!- ilmarinen_ [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojkqvrufnxtssewk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- docl [~docl@98.158.26.222] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- docl [~docl@98.158.26.222] has quit [Changing host] 17:16 -!- docl [~docl@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:47 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:07 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-117-179.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07 < abetusk> evening 18:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29 < juri_> bloop! 19:32 < juri_> re: opensource shaker. one of the wins with free software is the ability to 'bend' the product in ways that the designers did not intend. is the speed controllable via a microcontroller? this ability might come in useful. 19:33 < juri_> I'm looking at reproducing the 'cell pick-and-place machine' i see documented poorly. 19:38 < brownies> what's a cell pick-and-place machine? 19:39 <@kanzure> it's like a normal pick and place machine except instead of smt components it places cells. 19:40 <@kanzure> he probably means "3d printer" though. 19:41 < brownies> ah 19:43 < juri_> she, but yes, i'm wanting to 3d print cells. currently studying extracelular matricies. 19:43 <@kanzure> she what? 19:44 < juri_> as in 'thats my pronoun, don't wear it out'? 19:44 <@kanzure> alright 19:47 -!- Guest32288 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:48 * fenn mutters something about electro spray chitin 19:52 <@fenn> i have no idea where i remember this from http://www.4spepro.org/view.php?source=003733-2011-06-14 19:56 -!- Charlie [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 -!- Charlie is now known as Guest558 20:01 -!- Guest558 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:08 < nmz787> sup 20:56 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 21:07 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 -!- ParahSailin [~parah@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: hi 21:38 <@kanzure> nmz787: anyone who uses plasmids or genome mutation techniques. 21:55 < nmz787> but like some specific disease that needs lots of very different plasmids 21:55 < nmz787> or libraries of mutants 21:55 < nmz787> is there a NIH call for studies or something 21:56 < nmz787> that I could keyowrd search? 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