--- Log opened Sat Dec 22 00:00:07 2012 00:16 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:32 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:36 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:41 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:56 < jrayhawk> 'module to be compiled into the kernel' these things are mutually exclusive 00:58 < jrayhawk> /proc/net/ip_tables_names is the netlink interface 01:03 -!- JayDugger [~duggerjw@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 <@kanzure> nmz787: check for that 01:11 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 01:13 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:13 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 01:13 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:19 <@fenn> "I don't understand why you would want a 100 tabs open at a time. You are like a hoarder cept its tabs instead of random junk." 01:19 <@fenn> WTF I WANNA KILL EVERYONE 01:19 <@fenn> a horrible comment on a nicely written article http://www.nerdblog.com/2010/06/flawed-browser-ui-case-of-too-many-tabs.html 01:20 -!- ParahSail1n [~eg@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 <@kanzure> 100 tabs is weak. 01:23 < joshcryer> You never need more than 10. 01:23 <@fenn> and you never need a number bigger than "many" 01:24 <@fenn> i'm sorry but when are developers going to face up to the fact that people open up a lot of tabs 01:24 < joshcryer> I don't even use tabs. 01:25 <@kanzure> tabs, windows, same thing. if you use a browser it's a tab. 01:25 <@fenn> oh, really, do you use lynx? send letters via the postman? 01:26 < joshcryer> A tab is a widnow within a window, and thus hidden from the top level context, imo. 01:26 < joshcryer> You could have a tab previwer though. 01:26 <@kanzure> i hate tab previewers 01:26 < joshcryer> Me too. 01:26 <@kanzure> i also hate alt-tab interfaces that make me look at an entire screen before letting me selecti t 01:26 <@fenn> windows, tabs, whatever 01:26 <@fenn> where's my zooming UI 01:27 < joshcryer> (this is all talking as if you have a taskbar I should say... I don't know how many Linux UIs function) 01:27 <@kanzure> taskbars are just as terrible 01:27 <@fenn> this should have been addressed in 1992 when raskin worked at apple 01:27 < joshcryer> it functions as my top context tab bar basically 01:27 < joshcryer> (though multi function) 01:27 <@kanzure> joshcryer: horizontal bars make no sense 01:28 <@kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-05-25_KDEhacks.png 01:28 <@fenn> do you actually use your computer for work? 01:28 <@kanzure> doing that with horizontal bars would be impossible 01:28 <@fenn> how can you compare anything with less than 10 windows open at once 01:28 < joshcryer> kanzure, hmm, you must be speaking to a different level, since they can be vertical. you mean objects that are at a top level- lol, nope, you are literally saying horizontal bars... you can make the taskbar vertical ;P 01:28 <@fenn> much less look at random screenshots people paste in irc 01:29 <@kanzure> vertical tabs aren't much better. you can read them but now you have to scroll. 01:29 < joshcryer> kanzure, for what it's worth I do agree with you, that's how my irc is set up, but I simply refuse to have 20+ windows open 01:29 <@kanzure> why not just type to get to what you want? didn't we have this conversation like 5 minutes ago? 01:29 < joshcryer> I got disconnected :P 01:30 < joshcryer> sorry for druging up a converstion from before though if I did 01:30 <@fenn> i bet you closed the window because you only had space for 5 windows on your taskbar 01:30 <@kanzure> no, i just feel like a broken record player 01:30 < joshcryer> fenn, hehe 01:30 <@fenn> another thing that annoys me is limited scrollback buffers 01:31 < joshcryer> I'm not a cyborg like you guys 01:31 <@fenn> surely a computer can keep more than 100kB of text in memory? 01:31 <@kanzure> or fetch things from even bigger memory? gee i wonder what we would call that. 01:31 < joshcryer> where are your scrollback buffers limited? 01:31 <@kanzure> some sort of storage device 01:31 <@fenn> "virtual memory" 01:32 <@kanzure> joshcryer: everywhere 01:32 <@fenn> it's just like real memory, but it's not real! 01:32 < joshcryer> hmm, I wonder if I could write a plugin for my irc client that discovered when I got disconnected, fetched the logs from the main logging site, diff'd it with the log I have, and append it back to the chat when I rejoined 01:32 <@fenn> yet somehow when i set scrollback to over 9000 everything bogs down disproportionately 01:32 <@kanzure> vim is sometimes smart enough to not load an entire multi-megabyte file all at once. and then it loads it when it needs it. 01:32 < joshcryer> I probably could but I'm not active here and it wouldn't be useful ;P 01:33 <@fenn> skype does something like that 01:33 < joshcryer> which is why being invisible on skype is pointless 01:33 <@fenn> you'd expect it to be a standard feature of irc clients huh 01:33 < joshcryer> you can tell when someone signs in when the little sending icon stops 01:35 < joshcryer> dircproxy and other irc proxy things do that for you 01:35 < joshcryer> I used it for the longest time here 01:36 <@fenn> this is what i want my desktop to look like http://fennetic.net/irc/conformal_mapping.png 01:36 < joshcryer> right click > set background ? 01:36 <@fenn> the more crap i add to the top, the further the other stuff gets pushed down 01:37 < joshcryer> what do the grids indicate? 01:37 <@fenn> until it's a teensy little square that's actually just an icon of the page/document/session/whatever 01:37 < joshcryer> I like that idea 01:37 < joshcryer> I recently stopped behaving poorly and cluttering my desktop with icons 01:37 < JayDugger> What's the source for that image, fenn? 01:37 < joshcryer> now everything goes into a junk folder and it's literally organized before I shut down 01:38 < joshcryer> (all because I recently had to reinstall windows and just felt that going back to the way I was was stupid) 01:38 <@fenn> JayDugger: no idea, i saw some photography technique years ago and tried to find the image again but couldnt and had to settle for that one instead 01:38 <@fenn> JayDugger: google "conformal mapping" for all sorts of hilarity 01:39 < JayDugger> i'll take that dare. 01:39 < joshcryer> fenn, do the top grids have context, like, say one grid is for bio, one grid is for electronics, etc, then as you drop stuff into them they sort of flow downward? 01:39 <@fenn> it's related to hyperbolic geometry 01:39 < JayDugger> Ah...wikipedia, wolfram mathworld, and umn.edu... 01:39 <@fenn> joshcryer: they're just windows, tabs, whatever 01:39 < joshcryer> (obviously hypotehtically speaking) 01:39 < JayDugger> I had expected bizarre porn. 01:40 < joshcryer> fenn, ahh, aaahh, yeah, that's nice. 01:41 <@fenn> JayDugger: i meant the images like this http://spacecollective.org/userdata/bN7OUn0R/1202188718/2236606971_624675da77_o.jpg and http://speckycdn.sdm.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/conformal1.png 01:41 < JayDugger> Ah... 01:41 <@fenn> although you could probably do some bizarre porn with that idea 01:49 < JayDugger> I'll ask then--why not a tiling window manager with a spiral layout? http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:SpiralGoldenRatio.jpg 01:50 <@fenn> sure seems inside out though 01:50 < JayDugger> The screen shot doesn't do it justice, but the idea is that windows outside the master pane get a decreasing screen area. 01:50 < joshcryer> you guys must have good memories 01:50 < JayDugger> Huh? 01:51 < joshcryer> as context dwindles I'd forget what the lower level or less significant things are 01:51 < JayDugger> Oh. 01:51 < joshcryer> and then wind up refreshing my memory 01:51 < joshcryer> since they lose data as they shrink or go away 01:51 < JayDugger> You don't need a good memory, really, to use that layout. 01:51 < JayDugger> Just the ability to touch-type. 01:51 <@fenn> yeah you're offloading your memory onto the computer, that's the whole point 01:51 < JayDugger> That window manager let's you cycle windows about the screen with hot-keys. 01:52 < joshcryer> it certainly does take advantage of pattern recognition I admit 01:52 <@fenn> is that opengl texture based? what controls the font size? 01:52 < JayDugger> If you forget what a small window holds, you just cycle it into a position with more screen area. 01:52 < joshcryer> JayDugger, gotcha 01:53 < JayDugger> I've no idea, come to think of it. 01:53 <@fenn> i like the idea but i think it would fail miserably on this tiny netbook 01:53 < JayDugger> I've used xmonad, the WM shown, for some time with Gnome. 01:53 <@fenn> because there just aren't enough pixels for more than one or two windows at once 01:53 < JayDugger> I assume Gnome controls fonts. 01:53 < JayDugger> http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/xmonad_layouts_for_netbooks/ 01:53 <@kanzure> behold! my command line webkit debugging tool: https://gist.github.com/4358293 01:54 < lichen> non-euclidean desktop geometries? 01:54 <@fenn> oh, no i mean you cycle the window and it gets smaller, does the window continue to show the same content? or does it refresh/resize to fit the content to the smaller window? 01:54 < JayDugger> Ph. 01:54 < JayDugger> Oh, I get it. 01:54 < JayDugger> Um...let me test it. 01:54 <@fenn> lichen: i hope to have a fully immersive 3d "desktop" 01:54 <@fenn> what's a couple more dimensions 01:54 < lichen> nice, ive been wanting to see a _good_ one of those 01:55 < lichen> i may have spammed my desktop here before, but ive made mine quite pretty 01:55 <@kanzure> 3d sounds like one of those terrible ideas that ted nelson had 01:55 < joshcryer> what say ya'll about leap motion? 01:55 <@kanzure> xanadu 3.0.. or did he already skip that version number. 01:55 <@fenn> after playing around with "curved spaces" (geometrygames.org) i realized you can get the hang of arbitrary manifolds pretty quickly 01:55 < joshcryer> I'm on the fence, I think it could be useful if I had like 10 monitors or something and a large info-space to work in 01:55 < lichen> neat 01:55 < lichen> as long as the actual viewed pane isnt distorted 01:55 < lichen> need to have 1:1 representation on the active pane 01:55 <@kanzure> joshcryer: sorry, the minimum number of monitors for you to be in here is 15. 01:56 < joshcryer> but for a one monitor setup with my face 3 feet from the screen, it's pointles 01:56 < JayDugger> On my machine, xmonad just rescales windows as they change position or size. The window contents react just as if you resized a window in a non-tiling window manager. 01:56 < lichen> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/84828979/Screenshot%20-%2012132012.jpg 01:56 < joshcryer> kanzure, heh 01:56 < JayDugger> E.g., a web browser gives you scroll bars once the window's screen area stops showing the whole page. 01:56 <@kanzure> JayDugger: i've been falling in love with xmonad's label-all-windows-and-just-search-as-you-type 01:57 < joshcryer> 27 inch monitor 3 feet away :) it's sitting on a board, sitting on my desk, held up by a stack of books 01:57 <@kanzure> who needs visualization when you can just remember what you want 01:57 < joshcryer> (the board is hanging off the desk holding it up) 01:57 < lichen> i still need to fix that 30" monitor i found on the sidewalk... 01:58 < lichen> half deconstructed in the corner of my room 01:58 < lichen> dont know enough electronics to find anything wrong with it 01:58 < lichen> fuse tests out, nothing looks fucked 01:58 < joshcryer> this makes my monitor take up a good chunk of my field of view, the ideal setup would be monitors floating all around me with a sophisticated armature system 01:58 < lichen> motorized armatures, oh yes 01:58 < JayDugger> Time for a smoke test on that monitor. Apply power and see what catches fire. 01:59 <@fenn> i tend to agree with you kanzure, repetition and training beats looking for stuff in terms of sheer speed 01:59 < lichen> JayDugger: nothing happens with power 01:59 * joshcryer kind of agrees with JayDugger here 01:59 < JayDugger> Does any part of the monitor get warm with power on? 02:00 < lichen> it just doesnt power on 02:00 < lichen> but ill take a look at it again sometime 02:00 < lichen> would have been easy if the fuse test failed 02:00 < lichen> or if i saw a blown cap 02:00 < JayDugger> Fair enough. I meant, with it plugged in and the switch on. 02:00 < lichen> yeah 02:00 <@fenn> probably a shorted cap in the power supply 02:00 < lichen> i didnt really try probing it much with the power on 02:01 < lichen> not fond of being shocked 02:01 <@fenn> if it makes an awful squealing noise, that's the current limiter 02:01 < lichen> hmm 02:01 < lichen> last i tested it, nothing happened 02:01 < lichen> at all 02:01 < lichen> ill try reassembling it soon i guess and try testing it again 02:02 < lichen> took a bunch of deconstruction photos so i wouldnt forget 02:02 < JayDugger> Good choice with the photos. 02:03 < lichen> doesnt mean ill be able to find all the screws 02:03 < lichen> but i think itll be fine 02:03 < lichen> i could use another monitor 02:03 < JayDugger> Oh, tape them near their socket, put them in a paper cup, or replace them in the socket if you can. 02:03 < lichen> though i did recently pick up a nice 24-inch IPS display 02:04 < lichen> yeah i should have done that 02:04 < lichen> but it was a while back 02:04 < lichen> good advice tho 02:04 <@fenn> lichen: your background reminds me of http://deborahyoon.com/ 02:04 < lichen> very pretty, ill have to bookmark it 02:04 < lichen> i dont know where many of my backgrounds are from 02:05 < lichen> mostly harvested from imageboards 02:05 < lichen> but yeah, i got a new 24-inch 02:05 < lichen> with professional quality color calibration 02:05 < lichen> its amazingly pretty 02:06 < JayDugger> kanzure, what will you do with your webkit-inspector-shell? 02:09 <@kanzure> make web development less fucking awful? 02:10 < JayDugger> Fair enough. And how do you do incremental switching by window title in xmonad? 02:10 <@kanzure> i just want to use things like stdin and stdout to get information about the state of a page 02:11 <@kanzure> XMonad.Prompt.Window and XMonad.Actions.TagWindows 02:11 < JayDugger> Thank you. 02:11 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:11 <@kanzure> auto-labeling is a little wrong at the moment i think 02:11 <@kanzure> and i'm not sure if labels are preserved between sessions 02:12 <@kanzure> XMonad.Prompt.Window only searches by exact match to the window title, which is close to useless 02:12 <@kanzure> XMonad.Actions.TagWindows requires you to manually tag windows each time 02:12 <@fenn> what's a session? like when you crash or reboot? 02:12 < joshcryer> If you wanted to make web development less awful you'd invent a new web model. >:P 02:12 <@kanzure> in between xmonad --restart 02:15 <@fenn> man, the "remote debugging port" thing should be standard 02:15 <@kanzure> all of the major browsers use a different standard sadly 02:16 <@kanzure> safari, chrome, phantomjs and the android browser are all based on webkit, so they share that protocol 02:16 < joshcryer> My mind basically cannot grasp how we achieve anything with how convoluted standard implementation is. 02:16 < joshcryer> Nevermind how convoluted standards themselves are (css comes to mind). 02:18 <@kanzure> firefox has its own debugging protocol that doesn't seem to be implemented yet 02:18 <@fenn> sure it does 02:19 <@kanzure> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Remote_Debugging_Protocol 02:19 <@kanzure> https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/protocol/1.0/ 02:19 <@kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/chromedevtools/wiki/WebKitProtocol 02:20 <@fenn> i'm so not clicking on any of those 02:21 <@fenn> "too many tabs" is pretty wonky, but it works, and i can save my sets of tabs as json and shuffle tab sets between browsers at least 02:21 <@fenn> "sets" being very loosely defined as "everything you don't want open right now" 02:22 <@fenn> as there is no way to sort or group anything 02:22 <@kanzure> this is an ok overview http://thecssninja.com/talks/remote_debugging 02:23 <@fenn> i bet i could make a better version of toomanytabs 02:24 <@kanzure> oh god this looks evil http://thecssninja.com/talks/remote_debugging/#aardwolf3-1 02:24 <@kanzure> yeah toomanytabs is pretty easy to implement i think 02:24 <@kanzure> you should call it notenoughtabs 02:25 <@fenn> lol 02:25 <@fenn> why did you link to this awful powerpoint presentation 02:26 <@kanzure> because he had this in a wiki page somewhere and i remembered the wrong link 02:26 <@kanzure> this is the one where the content is inexplicably strangled into 1,000 slides 02:30 < joshcryer> fenn, do it, I might start using tabs man. 02:30 <@kanzure> sets of tabs as json is pretty nice btw 02:33 <@fenn> hrm 02:33 <@kanzure> xulrunner troubles? 02:33 <@fenn> this is what it looks like when pretty-printed http://fennetic.net/irc/2012_12_22.chrome.yaml 02:34 <@kanzure> gee what a wonderful lack of information 02:34 <@kanzure> what about timestamps or keywords 02:34 <@kanzure> and where are all of the stored tabs? 02:34 < JayDugger> Don't you get all of those with bookmarks? 02:34 <@fenn> that's the first list, "suspended" 02:35 <@kanzure> "suspended" doesn't include cached copies? 02:35 <@fenn> yes JayDugger in a sense what i'm after is a better way to bookmark stuff 02:35 < JayDugger> Okay, that makes sense. 02:35 <@fenn> bookmarking is very one-at-a-time. i want to be able to open and close entire windows full of tabs 02:36 <@kanzure> 'bookmark all' is an option in chrome under the context menu 02:36 < JayDugger> What he said. 02:36 <@fenn> also there's some kind of inertia behind the idea that bookmarking is for saving especially interesting things long term 02:36 < JayDugger> Okay, a slightly different affordance. 02:37 <@kanzure> - http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Cryonics 02:37 <@kanzure> traitor 02:37 <@fenn> no comment 02:38 <@fenn> chrome was supposed to be mostly empty for testing 02:38 <@fenn> most of my open tabs are in midori or firefox :\ 02:39 <@fenn> JayDugger: i tend to use open tabs as a todo list, or at least a "to look at" list 02:39 <@fenn> if i have to save something to a bookmark and then close it before even looking at it.. how does that work exactly? 02:40 < JayDugger> I haven't got a good solution for that. I've date-stamped bookmarks sets from years ago that form that sort of "to look at" list. 02:41 < JayDugger> I've dumped those into Evernote, which tends to let me search, sort, and delete with more ease than a browser's bookmark tools. 02:41 <@kanzure> evernote is the wrong direction.. you'd have to do lots of reverse engineering it to get it back to friendly formats i think 02:42 <@fenn> that's why they call it evernote :) 02:42 <@fenn> information goes in and stays there forever 02:43 < JayDugger> Evernote has got problems. That's the main one. Another data oubliette, but at least I can do full-text search and outsource the back-ups. 02:43 < JayDugger> And yes, pay for the privilege too. :( 02:43 <@kanzure> why weren't bookmarks ever sent over in bulk on usenet? 02:44 <@kanzure> everything else has been.. photos, binaries, movies, but not bookmarks. 02:44 <@fenn> der, what? please elaborate on the utility of that 02:44 <@kanzure> they always had some crappy formatting in a text file 02:44 <@kanzure> the utiltiy is sharing a subset of currated links? 02:44 <@kanzure> you know, before delicious 02:45 <@fenn> was delicious for sharing? i thought it was just to sync bookmarks across computers/browsers 02:45 <@kanzure> your links and tags were public 02:45 <@fenn> so? 02:45 <@kanzure> isn't that sharing? 02:45 <@kanzure> i guess not 02:45 <@fenn> it helped promote delicious as a business at least 02:45 <@fenn> i dont really get why they shut it down 02:46 <@fenn> "look at this awesome thing, let's buy it! ok now what? well, we're incompetent, so let's shut it down" yay! 02:46 <@kanzure> is pinboard.in still around? that was the hipster alternative that everyone was liking. 02:47 <@fenn> pinterest? 02:47 <@kanzure> no definitely no 02:47 < JayDugger> https://pinboard.in/, yes. 02:48 < JayDugger> "One dude in his underpants somewhere who has five windows open to terminal servers." 02:48 <@kanzure> ah so he has upgraded 02:49 <@fenn> is that supposed to be a lot of windows? 02:49 <@fenn> i don't get it 02:50 < JayDugger> Yeah, for the readers of the Economist, that probably counts as a lot. 02:50 <@fenn> are they saying he's succeeded because he managed to close almost all his windows? 02:50 < JayDugger> Heh. 02:50 <@fenn> the champion of "done", reigning in his underpants with victory cheetos 02:52 <@kanzure> it's sort of dumb that we don't have a communal squid proxy thing caching all of the pages we view 02:52 <@kanzure> or bookmarkbot 02:54 <@fenn> i've been meaning to set up squid myself 02:54 <@fenn> instead of fighting with user-css bookmarklets 02:57 * kanzure sleeps 02:57 < juri_> rest well. 03:19 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:28 <@fenn> is there a standard export format for tagged bookmarks? 03:41 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:07 <@fenn> kewl http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/vocabulary/ 04:13 <@fenn> i guess i dont get the difference between tags and hard links 04:16 < joshcryer> There's not a difference? 04:18 <@fenn> well a tagged bookmark is like a bookmark in multiple folders at once 04:18 <@fenn> so i'm wondering what the "tagcoll" package does exactly, and why not just represent tagged collections as directories with hard linked files 04:19 < joshcryer> Fair enough. 04:22 < JayDugger> How'd you get from exported bookmarks collections to debtags? 04:24 < JayDugger> Not that debtags isn't interesting from an epistemological perspective, but do most people browse by tag? 04:25 <@fenn> i was searching for tools to handle tagged collections 04:25 <@fenn> oddly enough "tagcoll" showed up 04:25 < JayDugger> Oh. Makes sense. 04:25 <@fenn> i've used debtags before when browsing around with synaptic 04:26 < JayDugger> There's my existence proof. 04:26 < JayDugger> or disproof, rather. 04:26 <@fenn> apparently firefox 3 (and other versions?) natively saves tagged bookmarks as .json 04:29 <@fenn> i dont remember ever tagging anything in firefox though 04:34 < JayDugger> I think the old delicious extension would sync FF bookmarks with delicious bookmarks and make the tags match too. I don't know if that still works. 04:34 < JayDugger> The Chrome version's garbage. 04:35 <@fenn> chrome doesnt have tags 04:35 <@fenn> oh but there's "Google Bookmarks" whatever that is 04:36 <@fenn> how is it that www.google.com/boomarks doesn't talk to chrome 04:36 <@fenn> shameful 04:36 < JayDugger> Internal rivalries? 04:36 <@fenn> but it's the same company! 04:36 < JayDugger> I'll spare you tales of co-workers I'd like to see dead. 04:36 <@fenn> oh. i need to sleep 04:37 <@fenn> i guess it's like chrome OS vs android 04:37 <@fenn> but nobody gives a shit about bookmarks 04:38 <@fenn> the only standard is XBEL 04:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-156-120.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- Tukotih [~Tukotih@unaffiliated/tukotih] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-156-120.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 06:21 -!- syntrope [~syntrope@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 -!- 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this lets you type with a normal keyboard from a computer 11:25 < yash-phone> where would I get one of those 11:25 <@kanzure> a computer? 11:26 < yash-phone> why do you think I'm on my phone 11:27 <@kanzure> because you said so the other day 11:27 < yash-phone> I am, but computers don't grow on trees I mean 11:29 < yash-phone> anyway I must thai 11:29 -!- yash-phone [~yaaic@66-87-0-23.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [] 11:32 <@kanzure> ... yep. 11:42 -!- Guest5217 [~archbox@ip72-201-163-66.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- Guest5217 is now known as archbox_ 11:46 -!- archbox_ [~archbox@ip72-201-163-66.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:46 -!- archbox_ [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@82.158.224.197.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:04 < curtiss> hello 12:10 -!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@203.105.94.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12 -!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@203.105.94.33] has joined 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-!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:34 < eudoxia> so apparently anders sandberg is 40 years old 14:34 < eudoxia> how does he look so young 14:34 < eudoxia> guys i think he figured out all that life extension stuff 14:35 <@kanzure> he uses the same profile picture from 20 years ago 14:35 <@kanzure> look it up. 14:36 < eudoxia> his flickr has a shitload of pretty picturee 14:37 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:47 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:07 <@kanzure> cp: not found 15:07 <@kanzure> android :( 15:38 -!- emancipate is now known as emancipated 15:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-143-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:46 -!- 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seconds] 18:22 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:52 <@fenn> jrayhawk: the idea was to use squid to insert an image processing step for converting black on white pages to white on black pages, where appropriate 18:52 < jrayhawk> oh okay 18:52 < jrayhawk> i thought you were solving your complaints about browsers having dumb caching behavior 18:52 < jrayhawk> You can define your own CSS overrides 18:53 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:54 <@fenn> yeah but css doesn't invert "only images with white backgrounds" 18:59 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:02 <@kanzure> you could copy an image to a , sample the colors/pixels, then invert if it's wrong. 19:09 <@fenn> heh is yashgaroth getting a magnetic implant? 19:11 <@kanzure> unlikely.. why? 19:12 <@fenn> steve haworth is at xff and offering implant services 19:12 <@kanzure> maybe i should get someone to offer bags of saline for implantation 19:15 <@fenn> ugly bags of mostly water? 19:15 < jrayhawk> that's not a nice thing to call xff attendees 19:16 <@fenn> but it is an accurate description 19:17 <@kanzure> hurry up and finish up the extension so i can use it 19:24 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:42 -!- Guest31127 [~archbox@ip72-201-163-66.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30 -!- safitan [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:31 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:31 -!- ArmilusDajjal [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:36 -!- safitan is now known as ArmilusDajjal 20:40 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has 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The universal adapter brick." http://fffff.at/files/2012/03/kit_6469_universal_500x333.jpg?e83a2c 23:38 <@fenn> i don't see any USB port 23:51 <@fenn> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/roborant 23:57 <@fenn> evidence for the decline in trace minerals in the american food supply: http://www.mineralresourcesint.com/docs/research/NutritionandMentalHealth.pdf 23:58 < JayDugger> Eat more dirt. 23:59 <@fenn> not all dirt is equal 23:59 <@fenn> i'll stick to the dead sea salts 23:59 < JayDugger> Eat more gourmet, organic, all-natural dirt from local artisans. --- Log closed Sun Dec 23 00:00:08 2012