--- Log opened Sun Dec 23 00:00:08 2012 00:40 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 <@fenn> lol 00:46 <@fenn> chris kresser recommends against eating dead sea salt on the basis of this case study, in which "the patient reported consuming 3-4 tablespoons of Dead Sea salt daily for several months. " 00:50 <@fenn> i did the math on acceptable bromide levels and a half teaspoon a day of dead sea salt comes nowhere close to toxic levels 01:04 < lichen> 4 tablespoons of salt daily? what 01:17 <@fenn> yeah surprised he had bromism and not chronic diarrhea 01:21 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Quit: .] 01:39 < jrayhawk> or terrifying hypertension and renal problems 01:41 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 < jrayhawk> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/eating-earth-exploring-the-mysterious-world-of-geophagy/ 01:55 <@fenn> i've heard it referred to disparagingly as "pica" but never "geophagy" 01:56 <@fenn> apparently it's a big thing in the south, alabama mississipi 01:58 <@fenn> i'm a fan of bentonite for treating food poisoning, but it seems most dirt is just not that nutrition (big surprise) 01:59 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00 <@fenn> in peru it's used to adsorb some kind of toxin from their local potato 02:05 <@fenn> it's worth noting that clays can adsorb nutrients as well as toxins, so don't go eating it constantly 02:06 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:09 <@fenn> azomite sounds like it could fix that problem 02:14 <@fenn> it's hardly "all the essential minerals and trace elements in a balanced ratio" though 02:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:51 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:58 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:58 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 02:58 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:03 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:05 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 -!- phryk [~phryk@static.39.216.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 05:44 -!- phryk [~phryk@static.39.216.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:15 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13BA6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p5B13BA6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:11 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.105.215.155] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:52 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.105.215.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-132-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 <@kanzure> eugen finally has lab space: http://eleitl.imgur.com/all/ 08:41 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.124.107.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 -!- Helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:50 -!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 <@kanzure> http://antiagingtech.info/Anti-Aging/Anti-Aging-Tech-DIY-Education-and-Research.html 08:55 <@kanzure> haha "For now, I want an inexpensive, nano size appropriate DIY bio platform that links to my home computer for DNA origami and nano robotics experiments. Computer simulation, cell reprogramming, artificial intelligence, open source software and hardware, DNA origami and CAD for health maintainance nano robotics" 08:55 <@kanzure> "I've taken a first step down this road by organizing and burning a collection of my favorite DIY tools; Genome Workbench, NanoEngineer, TinkerCell, Python, " 08:55 <@kanzure> nanoengineer made the cut :p 08:56 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:56 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 08:56 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:56 <@kanzure> oh that's funny.. he's selling a dvd of nanoengineer for $35 08:56 <@kanzure> http://www.antiagingtech.info/nF1/join.htm 10:06 < archels> kanzure: cool, did Eugen blog about that somewhere? 10:14 < juri_> wow. 10:14 < juri_> what the fuck? ;) 10:14 < juri_> and here i am getting shut down for wanting to perform tissue engineering with a 3d printer. 10:22 < juri_> yay! i made my first on-topic good-idea post posting to the openpnp project. 10:28 < eudoxia> >OpenOffice 10:28 < eudoxia> he should be using LibreOffice i mean guys seriously it's almost 2013 10:30 < eudoxia> so kanzure what is eugene going to be using the lab for? cryobiology research 10:30 < eudoxia> ? 10:37 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-132-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 10:45 <@kanzure> eudoxia: he hasn't mentioned any specific projects to me. 10:46 <@kanzure> i'm glad he's getting a lab/shop after 20+ years of transhumanism.. at least he can change directions. 10:46 <@kanzure> juri_: who is shutting you down for "wanting" anything? 10:47 <@kanzure> archels: no he just posted something to http://groups.google.com/group/diybio and was mentioning it to me the other day over jabber 10:47 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:47 <@kanzure> HEx1: wb 10:47 < HEx1> hi kanzure 10:47 <@kanzure> sup? 10:47 < HEx1> not much. you? 10:48 <@kanzure> banging my head against emulators and qemu 10:48 <@kanzure> and ssl 10:52 < HEx1> eek. and I'm thinking I really need a 64-bit OS after X ran out of address space for like the third time now 10:54 <@kanzure> how'd you make that happen 10:55 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: MX record for diyhpl.us is updated 10:55 < jrayhawk> Composite, maybe? Seems odd that it would cause crashes. 10:55 < archels> kanzure: so when Eugen talks about 'we' he means... 10:56 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57 <@kanzure> archels: yeah i don't know what he means, haha 10:57 <@kanzure> he sort of avoided the question when i asked him 10:57 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:59 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@212.159.112.196] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 < HEx1> I think something's leaking, or maybe I just have way too many browser tabs open, but ironically it was running xrestop last time that caused instant death 11:02 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:18 < jrayhawk> Browser tabs wouldn't do it; X11, by default, uses a shared buffer model and expects applications to store state for redraws; if you've enabled compositing, the compositing is still done per-window. 11:18 < jrayhawk> You might want to check dmesg to see what the OOM killer is targeting, if anything. 11:21 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-71-182-199-191.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:24 < jrayhawk> And in compositing mode you're going to run into physical memory limitations way sooner than logical addressing limitations. 11:24 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.124.107.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:25 < jrayhawk> unless you happen to have a >2GiB video controller 11:28 < HEx1> I bow to your superior knowledge. the evidence I was going on was lines like "[4245155.391] EXA: malloc failed for size 3707544 bytes" and Xorg's VM usage approaching 3Gb 11:28 < jrayhawk> hot damn, yeah, that sounds like a bug 11:29 < HEx1> now I'm thinking that xrestop-triggered meltdown is something else though 11:30 < jrayhawk> Are you running a 64-bit kernel, at least? 11:31 < HEx1> no, sadly. (doesn't seem to be supported OOTB in ubuntu, and trying a random kernel from elsewhere I ran into driver issues) 11:31 < HEx1> also I do not have a compositing WM 11:33 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:35 -!- technicus [~technicus@50.124.107.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:35 < jrayhawk> I think Ubuntu relies on the multiarch stuff they merged into dpkg a couple years ago to handle foreign architecture kernels. 11:38 < jrayhawk> dpkg --add-architecture amd64; apt-get update; apt-get install linux-image:amd64 11:41 < HEx1> interesting. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+question/186538 implies that that doesn't work on ubuntu (I think I may have already tried that) 11:41 < HEx1> but either way, I do believe a fresh install is long overdue (maybe back to debian this time) 11:41 < jrayhawk> Did you try my thing? 11:42 < HEx1> I believe so, although it was several months ago now 11:45 < jrayhawk> http://askubuntu.com/a/152798 11:48 < HEx1> hmm, retrying 11:49 < jrayhawk> Ironically, Debian still hasn't done a multiarch stable release, but hopefully we'll get one in a month or two. 11:51 < HEx1> "There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. It is 'dead'." 11:51 < jrayhawk> An excellent philosophy when it comes to Debian. 11:52 -!- archbox_ [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:52 < jrayhawk> anyway, i find it entirely plausible that xorg32-on-linux64 is much better tested than xorg32-on-linux32 11:57 <@kanzure> hmm so i'm trying to figure out the best shell-way to expose these: https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/protocol/1.0/index 11:57 <@kanzure> "debug dom xpath | debug dom remove" with stdin/stdout piping between itself might be nice 11:58 < HEx1> maybe, although I can't see a 64-bit kernel getting round 32-bit userland address space limits. but really I should stop being lazy and either 64-bit everything or compile my own kernel with stuff I actually want that's not in mainline (bcache!). or both 11:58 <@kanzure> default would be json so it could parse its own output, and then maybe a -h option for human readable 12:02 <@kanzure> hrm no.. maybe i should just use separate tools that spit out json, and then a human-usable interface named something else 12:03 < HEx1> how unreadable is the json? (at least json is nicer than XML in this regard) 12:04 <@kanzure> enough json to let the other program understand which dom node you're talking about 12:05 < HEx1> oh, it's less verbose than would be useful? (browsing those docs I'm seeing a lot of "nodeId" fields) 12:06 <@kanzure> nodeId is just an id for the debugging session and sadly does not correspond to anything you'd actually see in the html 12:09 < HEx1> it's stateful? 12:10 <@kanzure> what do you mean? 12:11 < HEx1> each message isn't independent, the server has to track what ids it gives you during a session 12:11 <@kanzure> yes 12:11 <@kanzure> https://gist.github.com/4358293 12:11 <@kanzure> so there's actually two tools i'm writing 12:11 <@kanzure> one is an intermediate server that maintains state 12:11 <@kanzure> and the second is the client that connects to this intermediate service so that you can run multiple shell commands 12:12 <@kanzure> this is also necessary because you have to turn on network recording if you want to record xhr/requests, and if you reset it each time you run a command you wouldn't be able to record anything. 12:20 < HEx1> fair enough 12:20 < jrayhawk> bcache looks like a solution in search of a problem 12:20 < jrayhawk> which i guess isn't all bad, but i would be curious as to what usage profile that would actually be useful for 12:22 < HEx1> jrayhawk: bcache is a solution to the "I have a large, slow, noisy, power-hungry HD, and a small, fast, silent SSD that I want to use as cache for it" problem 12:22 < jrayhawk> bcache doesn't help power any; it only caches small non-sequential reads 12:23 < jrayhawk> and if you want cache, buy cache 12:23 < jrayhawk> it's four times as expensive, but also three orders of magnitude faster 12:25 < jrayhawk> if you want safe fast I/O barriers, buy battery-backed write cache 12:26 < HEx1> given that I've not actually tried it yet, it's possible that it isn't all I'm hoping for. but why is it no good as a cache (including write-behind)? 12:27 <@kanzure> i'm not convinced that the fusion/sdd-cache drives are worthwhile 12:27 <@kanzure> what's the point if i can't control what's on the ssd portion? 12:27 < jrayhawk> bcache would theoretically be able to give you some control 12:28 < jrayhawk> at least in the sense that you could write caching policies for it. 12:29 < jrayhawk> HEx1: For sporadic but low-overall-rate writes, you only need as much cache window as you want overall latency for; this number is typically not large. For high-overall rates, SSDs aren't an option unless you really don't care about reliability. 12:30 < jrayhawk> As a write cache, bcache would be useful for network block devices, except we've had async write caching there for years 12:31 < jrayhawk> as seen with things like DRBD and friends. 12:31 < HEx1> having to manually move stuff between fast and slow storage is a pain. this is what fusion drives are for, it's true, but then you have to trust the firmware to make good decisions. surely the kernel could do a better job 12:32 < jrayhawk> Yeah, even FTLs piss me off. 12:32 < HEx1> reliability: you mean because there's now two points of failure instead of one? 12:33 < jrayhawk> The kernel's logging and flash filesystems are supported and maintained, unlike the disastrous bugs you find in the firmware block logging systems. 12:35 < jrayhawk> I mean putting something like a Postgres WAL or an XFS journal on an SSD has a tendency to wear it out pretty fast. 12:35 <@kanzure> shouldn't postgres be from ram 12:35 < jrayhawk> Well, you presumably want to commit to storage sooner or later. 12:35 < jrayhawk> Postgres by default is hyper-paranoid about WAL syncing 12:36 < HEx1> is using SSD as a cache just asking for trouble from limited write cycles? I thought this problem had been largely solved 12:37 < jrayhawk> It's more like "there is no problem other than power and space for which SSDs are a better solution than actual battery-backed write cache" 12:37 < jrayhawk> power/space/heat management 12:40 < HEx1> "RAM is faster than flash" is a non-argument in my book. is there nothing to be said for an intermediate layer? 12:43 < jrayhawk> If the intermediate layer didn't occupy a fairly stupid place on the (speed/size)/dollar ratio or wasn't unreliable at what it's particularly fast at 12:46 < jrayhawk> Admittedly bcache does look tempting for my oversize laptop. I can fit three drives in there and have no real way to fit a battery backed write cache in it. 12:47 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:47 < jrayhawk> And the only real obnoxious generator of I/O traffic is vim frequently syncing swap and info files. 12:50 < jrayhawk> eh, i guess i don't care about the latency that much. *effort* 12:51 < HEx1> speaking of obnoxious generators of I/O traffic: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664611 12:53 < jrayhawk> haha, wow, that's weird. 12:54 < curtiss> hey kanzure 12:54 < curtiss> re: the thing youre writing 12:55 < curtiss> have you heard of http://mosh.mit.edu/ 12:55 <@kanzure> yes, but what does that have to do with anything 12:56 < curtiss> its cool 12:56 < jrayhawk> mosh doesn't have any particularly impressive distributed dispatch stuff like what kanzure wants 12:56 < jrayhawk> some of the system management things like puppet/cfengine and friends might, though 12:57 <@kanzure> what are we talking about? curtiss said "the thing youre writing" but jrayhawk is talking about "impressive distributed dispatch stuff like what kanzure wants". 12:57 < jrayhawk> 12:11 <@kanzure> one is an intermediate server that maintains state 12:57 < jrayhawk> 12:11 <@kanzure> and the second is the client that connects to this intermediate service so that you can run multiple shell commands 12:57 < jrayhawk> 12:12 <@kanzure> this is also necessary because you have to turn on network recording if you want to record xhr/requests, and if you reset it each time you run a command you wouldn't be able to record anything. 12:58 <@kanzure> that's regarding a client that implements https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/protocol/1.0/index 12:58 <@kanzure> not about ssh 12:58 <@kanzure> or ssh clients 12:59 < curtiss> mosh isnt ssh or an ssh client 12:59 < curtiss> its a replacement 13:00 < jrayhawk> mosh is a mishmash of shell/shell multiplexer/ssh client 13:01 < jrayhawk> calling it "not a client" is true only in the sense that it's a client of an ssh client 13:01 < jrayhawk> but yes, it is badass 13:01 < curtiss> :) 13:01 <@kanzure> oh look, documentation http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/inspector/Inspector.json 13:04 < juri_> kanzure: while i'm hard to stop, i do get argued against a lot here. 13:04 < juri_> its probably a good thing tho. refines my arguments. 13:04 <@kanzure> you're argued against because your techniques need improvment 13:04 <@kanzure> improvement 13:05 <@kanzure> improvment is for comedians 13:05 * juri_ nods. 13:05 < jrayhawk> kanzure is abnormally bitchy towards you 13:05 <@kanzure> that's nothing about law/regulations stopping you. i think you're exaggerating. 13:05 < juri_> makes sense to me. 13:05 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: because this guy is completely crazy 13:05 < curtiss> abnormally? 13:05 < curtiss> i'd say normally 13:05 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: WHAT IS WITH THE WINKING 13:05 < curtiss> he's like that with everyone it seems 13:05 < jrayhawk> like with most people it's entirely explicable 13:05 < curtiss> it's unpleasant to say the least 13:06 < juri_> kanzure: poor choice of words, you're right. 13:07 <@kanzure> also, it's because i don't like your tendency to randomly interject contextless stuff like "so do any of you guys actually work on projects?" 13:07 <@kanzure> i've seen a number of projects mentioned every day 13:07 <@kanzure> i just don't get it 13:08 < juri_> well, i was hoping to get a list, and drum up some conversation. :) 13:08 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit has a mirror of most things going on in here 13:10 < curtiss> heh 13:10 < juri_> oh, i didn't realize things were actually that organized. 13:10 < curtiss> by "things" i guess you mean your own personal resume 13:10 <@kanzure> no, my resume is completely different 13:10 < curtiss> well 13:10 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/resume.pdf 13:10 < curtiss> it's all your stuff 13:10 < curtiss> not saying thats a bad thing 13:10 <@kanzure> not really 13:11 <@kanzure> believe it or not, there are individuals in here that actually contribute 13:11 <@kanzure> *contribute more than irc messages 13:11 <@kanzure> *contribute in addition to irc messages 13:11 < jrayhawk> i make valuable contributions 13:11 * jrayhawk farts 13:12 * juri_ hangs a 'biohazard' sign on jrayhawk. 13:12 <@kanzure> curtiss: if you have actually relevant transhumanist, biohacking projects that we can mirror on diyhpl.us, let me know 13:12 < curtiss> hey that's fine kanzure, but i wouldn't come looking for validation from you 13:13 < jrayhawk> hooray i am a diybiohazard 13:13 < curtiss> considering i've watched you put off all sorts of potential collaborators 13:13 <@kanzure> it's not "only things that kanzure has committed to".. it's just that i happen to run laps around everyone else for some bizarre reason. 13:13 < jrayhawk> this means i can call myself a biohacker and get into Wired 13:13 <@kanzure> curtiss: if you're saying that you have suggested git repos that i'm missing out on, which ones? 13:13 <@kanzure> is that what you mean by validation? 13:14 < juri_> whats with this reprap tree thats two years old? 13:14 <@kanzure> reprap was migrating to git and then it exploded 13:14 < jrayhawk> yeah, i probably should've been more supportive 13:14 <@kanzure> nah it failed because of reprap dev team issues not because of jrayhawk issues 13:15 <@kanzure> we could have done a git-svn mirror but i don't think any reprap contributor wanted to actually use it? 13:15 < jrayhawk> jsmiller seemed interested in doing so, at least. 13:15 <@kanzure> i can't remember why he gave up.. he said something about adrian not liking it. 13:16 < jrayhawk> maybe he was more invested in the project splitout and packaging side of things, which just happened to involve git because we accidently convinced him along the way that it was a good idea. 13:16 <@kanzure> actually that's a pretty lousy reason huh 13:16 <@kanzure> (to give up because adrian isn't tittilated) 13:17 <@kanzure> reprap.git would still be a nice thing to have laying around 13:17 < jrayhawk> And obviously the project splitout and packaging was going to be a bit of a fight without top-town approval. 13:17 < jrayhawk> top-down 13:18 <@kanzure> what was going to be split out? 13:18 <@kanzure> i don't recall 13:18 < jrayhawk> There's a bajillion little projects all handled in the main repo. 13:19 < jrayhawk> It's kindof comically gigantic. 13:19 < curtiss> nah by validation i just meant sharing anything i may or may not be working on 13:19 < curtiss> just so you can shit on it 13:19 <@kanzure> when i'm wrong you should call me out on it dude 13:19 < jrayhawk> kanzure shits on my stuff from time to time 13:19 < jrayhawk> this is one way my shit gets better 13:19 < delinquentme> "elastic limit" 13:19 <@kanzure> the other way jrayhawk's stuff gets better is he just makes jules do it 13:20 < delinquentme> kanzure, what you did w that pokemon was wrong 13:20 < juri_> its a different management style, thats for sure. ;) 13:20 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i don't understand? 13:20 < curtiss> i think he's talking about http://i.imgur.com/cAl0W.jpg 13:20 < curtiss> or what happened next 13:20 < jrayhawk> lol 13:21 <@kanzure> because i wrote a disassembler? 13:23 < jrayhawk> oh yeah, i was supposed to fix commit announcements 13:35 < gnusha> ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) 13:36 <@kanzure> seems to work 13:40 -!- qu-bit [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/winking.git/commit/?id=c28d2e26 jrayhawk+gnusha@omgwallhack.org: ;) ;) ;) :O ;) 13:45 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/winking.git/commit/?id=44d4af5a Joe Rayhawk: WINK WINK 13:45 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/winking/commit/?id=9f2b3b8a Joe Rayhawk: NEIN 13:46 < jrayhawk> ah, there we go 13:48 < jrayhawk> ugh, why doesn't cgit use
13:48 < jrayhawk> this ruins everything
13:49 <@kanzure> where do you need 
?
13:50 < jrayhawk> The diff text.
13:50 < chris_99> you guys seen this UI too http://demo.gitlabhq.com/ looks similar to github in some ways
13:51 <@kanzure> yes i'm aware of it
13:51 <@kanzure> there's also gitorious and a hundred others
13:51 < jrayhawk> including the dumb crazy shit i wrote
13:52 <@kanzure> i don't think jrayhawk would appreciate me running rails just to show git repositories
13:52 < jrayhawk> eh, not that big a deal to me
13:52 <@kanzure> otherwise i'd consider redmine before i'd consider gitlabhq or gitorious
13:55 < jrayhawk> rails developers may be dumb, but usually it's just innocuous stuff like XSS rather than brainless unsteriliezd shell and SQL callouts and recursive dynamicly generated code
13:56 < jrayhawk> oh and distributing their entire shared library runtime unmaintained with whatever they ship
13:56 < jrayhawk> because smalltalk sure was awesome, guys, right? right?
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13:57 < jrayhawk> which i guess has some security implications, but thankfully i can mail kanzure a dead cat if he tries that
13:57 < jrayhawk> or a stool sample
13:57 <@kanzure> i'll take the dead cat
13:58 < jrayhawk> maybe a wink emoticon printed out in 100-pt font
13:58 <@kanzure> jokes on you though.. i don't even check my mail.
13:58 <@kanzure> returned to sender: one (1) dead cat.
13:58 < jrayhawk> Next time, Bishop, next time!
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14:00 <@kanzure> i rmmoded psmouse and modprobed it and now mouse doesn't work
14:01 <@kanzure> what did i do wrong?
14:01 <@kanzure> ah i see it just took a few seconds? wtf.
14:03 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: while you're doing gnusha things, you might as well know that i updated the MX records for both domains
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14:08 < jrayhawk> Danke.
14:08 < jrayhawk> Yeah, the input hotplug infrastructure is ponderous
14:08 < jrayhawk> in every sense of the word
14:09 < jrayhawk> fwiw you can disable the touchpad in the BIOS
14:11 <@kanzure> is mouse clit sensitivity controlled somewhere
14:11 < qu-bit> ・_・
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14:12 < jrayhawk> xinput list and xinput list-props and xinput --set-prop maybe?
14:20 < jrayhawk> I guess the base speed is done with xset
14:20 <@kanzure> hrmm whois removed the .rw tld
14:21 < jrayhawk> you mean the .rw tld removed whois?
14:21 <@kanzure> i mean whois.deb removed information about whoising .rw
14:22 < jrayhawk> oh, yeah, the .rw tld whois service doesn't exist anymore
14:22 <@kanzure> because fuck whois?
14:23 < jrayhawk> well,
14:23 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ host -t ns rw
14:23 < jrayhawk> rw name server ns-rw.afrinic.net.
14:23 < jrayhawk> rw name server fork.sth.dnsnode.net.
14:23 < jrayhawk> rw name server ns1.ricta.org.rw.
14:23 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ host nic.rw ns-rw.afrinic.net.
14:23 < jrayhawk> Using domain server:
14:23 < jrayhawk> Name: ns-rw.afrinic.net.
14:23 < jrayhawk> Address: 196.216.168.28#53
14:23 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ nmap -p 80 196.216.168.28
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14:23 < jrayhawk> Note: Host seems down.
14:24 <@kanzure> i assume this is because they don't want to provide whois
14:24 < jrayhawk> or register domains...?
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19:45 < jrayhawk> fenn: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17909264 huh, your natto plan might need some more research
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20:05 <@fenn> it's okay, i like butter
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20:13 <@kanzure> fenn: are you going to bothre making that extension? you never explicitly said either way.
20:13 <@kanzure> bother
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20:21 <@fenn> the tab thing? or the image inverting thing?
20:21 <@fenn> trying to find out of there are better ways of using bookmarks first
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21:02 < qu-bit> distributed systems don't seem too inferior
21:02 < qu-bit> although you lose some privacy
21:04 <@fenn> i don't care about privacy; i care about speed and reliability (offline access)
21:05 <@fenn> chrome seems unusually bad at caching, so i might end up using a proxy after all
21:05 <@fenn> or rather, using what it's got in the cache when there's no net connection
21:06 <@fenn> this is mostly a workaround for having more tabs open than i can fit in memory, so an online bookmarking webpage is not helpful
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21:27 < qu-bit> I mozill have a cloud storage system for setting, fenn
21:35 <@kanzure> "for setting"?
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22:49 <@kanzure> GlaxoSmithKline spent $720 million on buying resveratrol?
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23:18 < delinquentme> http://hackaday.com/2012/12/21/making-graphene-with-a-dvd-burner/#more-92103
23:35 < delinquentme> does anyone \
23:35 < delinquentme> http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/laser-scribing-of-high-performance-and-flexible-graphene-based-electrochemical-capacitors.pdf
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