--- Log opened Wed Dec 26 00:00:11 2012 00:28 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 01:38 < chido> ...TALENs are my thesis topic, I just found out about a week ago 01:38 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:38 < chido> I always sleep through the most interesting discussions in here, damn 01:54 <@fenn> i dont get it. why are they better than say, zinc finger nuclease? is it just the extra specificity? 02:11 < chido> I only found out about their existence a week ago, so to be honest I don't get it much either so far 02:11 < chido> ask me in a few weeks :) 02:38 < juri_> kanzure: i valgrind everything thats C, as well. 02:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:02 -!- Guest79108 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:07 -!- Guest88320 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:12 -!- Guest88320 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:38 -!- He||eshin [~talinck@cpe-174-101-208-182.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:53 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:53 -!- yorick [~quassel@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 04:53 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:46 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- Zimmeri [~Zimmeri@64.235.97.82] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:03 < Zimmeri> how do i go about designing a automotive production facility using KUKA robotics? 06:03 < Zimmeri> can someone give me some leads? i am lost. 06:07 < juri_> kuka? 06:07 < juri_> Ive been trying to 3d print automotive parts, but not with much success yet. 06:09 < Zimmeri> yes 06:09 < Zimmeri> KUKA 6 axis robotic arms for 06:09 < Zimmeri> production of... well, anything really 06:10 < Zimmeri> not that it could be built, but one needs a proper business plan in order to raise the funding right? 06:10 < Zimmeri> hahaha 06:10 < Zimmeri> so im trying to make a layout for a facility using KUKA robotics 06:10 < Zimmeri> facility production process.. 06:10 < Zimmeri> from 06:11 < Zimmeri> Process Design & Simulation 06:11 < Zimmeri> process plant layout... 06:11 < Zimmeri> tool& equipment design.. 06:11 < Zimmeri> manufacturing engineering etc etc... 06:12 < Zimmeri> if anyone has an entire automobile production facility design 06:12 < Zimmeri> please share 06:12 < juri_> hah. ;) 06:13 < juri_> please share with me, as well. 06:13 -!- strages_home [~strages@98.67.175.176] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:13 < juri_> I'm a 3d printer eek, working on 3d printing esoteric materials for automotives (carbon fiber), and working on printing liquids containing cells for organ production. 06:13 < juri_> s/eek/geek/ 06:14 < Zimmeri> coool 06:14 < Zimmeri> im thinking of mass production assembly line - not just parts of automotives but 06:15 < Zimmeri> from scratch 06:15 < Zimmeri> to the very end processes... 06:15 < Zimmeri> if only i can get hands on assembly plantations design 06:15 < Zimmeri> previously made by someone 06:16 < Zimmeri> i could understand the process of manufacturing much easier 06:17 < juri_> i can tell you that designs like that are typically done in ansys. 06:18 < juri_> thats about it. 06:26 < Zimmeri> i see 06:26 < Zimmeri> thanks ill look into it... 06:35 <@fenn> Zimmeri: talk to alex_joni 06:37 <@fenn> you may need to register to use /msg, otherwise join #emc 06:39 <@fenn> he's probably on vacation though, so be patient 06:41 < Zimmeri> oh thank you 06:44 < Zimmeri> who is he? 06:44 < Zimmeri> is he experienced with KUKA machines? 06:45 <@fenn> a kuka licensed training tech in romania, mostly welding applications but he would know about the software for sure 06:45 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:45 < Zimmeri> My gawd, that is a perfect reference thank you. 06:46 < Zimmeri> ! 06:46 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:48 <@fenn> Zimmeri: http://juve.ro/blog/bio 06:48 <@fenn> oh, maybe it was cloos, not kuka 06:48 <@fenn> they are both orange :P 06:50 < Zimmeri> i just want to be clear that - i am making this presentation based on 100 M funding it could be bestowed 06:50 < Zimmeri> of $15 M spent on a different stand-alone facility in just Prototypes & Simulation 06:50 < Zimmeri> $75 M in the mass production assembly line... 06:50 < juri_> then tell them that automotives as they are are dead; 3d printing and open source iwll kill it in 20 years. 06:51 < Zimmeri> if the investment comes back in 10 years, it doesn't matter whether technology surpasses the investment. 06:51 < Zimmeri> in 20 years. 06:51 < juri_> good reasoning. 06:51 < Zimmeri> it's about profit right now. 06:52 < Zimmeri> 5M goes toward the dedication of commercialization of the products 06:52 < Zimmeri> just a building - 06:52 < Zimmeri> for networking through politics... 06:52 <@fenn> sales 06:52 < Zimmeri> more like dealing/trading than sales. this route is faster through politics. 06:52 * fenn goes back to television 06:53 < Zimmeri> but im not lying :P 06:53 < Zimmeri> im on charge of it. 06:53 < Zimmeri> to make a presentation lol 06:53 < Zimmeri> and recruitment. anyone want to work with me? 06:53 < Zimmeri> feeeeeeennn? 06:54 < juri_> i'm ready to do anything to advance the cause of free software, free hardware, and freedom in general. ;P 06:54 < Zimmeri> let us free the under-privilegd nations 06:54 < Zimmeri> tee hee hee 06:54 < juri_> that said, i question your ability to sell something, given your display here on irc. ;) 06:54 < Zimmeri> of their.... lack of 06:55 < Zimmeri> creativity and access to technology 06:55 < Zimmeri> what am i trying to sell though? 06:55 < Zimmeri> im trying to get something 06:55 < Zimmeri> and that is information 06:55 < Zimmeri> thats all 06:55 < Zimmeri> but im not luring anyone of anything 06:55 < Zimmeri> im just asking help~ 06:55 < juri_> you're trying to sell your idea as worth someones effort, to get the information for you. ;) 06:56 < Zimmeri> and that was indeed a mistake. 06:56 < Zimmeri> lol 06:56 < Zimmeri> why i said i just wanted to learn in the first place 06:57 <@fenn> why don't you just go tour a plant? or talk to the automotive engineering department at just about any university? i'm confused why you're here at all 06:57 < Zimmeri> im at waterloo uni right now 06:57 < Zimmeri> that's my second option 06:58 < Zimmeri> i dont want to move around in this cold. lol 06:58 <@fenn> hah okay 06:58 < Zimmeri> and im hoping i could grab someone to work with in the mechanical engineering field 06:58 < Zimmeri> i've been previously "acquainted" with mr.bishop before here. 06:59 < Zimmeri> but given that he doesn't like people in general, i think he wants to be involved in his own project.s 06:59 <@fenn> i think it's more the realization of the futility of business as usual 07:00 <@fenn> and the ineffectiveness of online communities 07:00 <@fenn> it's a miracle if we can just get documentation written, much less launch a new civilization 07:01 < Zimmeri> indeed, but if i've been previously funded 100M already for a biotech related project in the field of geriatrics, 07:01 < Zimmeri> i think i should be taken seriously. 07:01 < juri_> matters. did you get anything accomplished? 07:02 < Zimmeri> this is the second phase for me, with helping of development of economy - of a micro nation. 07:02 < Zimmeri> mechanical engineering. :) 07:02 <@fenn> you must be juls, yes? 07:03 < Zimmeri> juls? 07:03 <@fenn> hm, no you don't capitalize your sentences. 07:03 <@fenn> anyway, what was this geriatrics project? i might have heard of it 07:04 <@fenn> at least the general idea would be helpful 07:04 < Zimmeri> stem cells. rejuvenation. regenerative meds. 07:05 < Zimmeri> i cant talk about it. Bryan knows about it, 07:05 < Zimmeri> but for some reason he doesnt want to talk to me. 07:06 <@fenn> there seem to be a lot of people running around with millions in potential investment 07:06 < Zimmeri> probably. 07:06 < Zimmeri> for what purpose i dont know. 07:07 < Zimmeri> fenn what is your - 07:07 < Zimmeri> background. 07:07 < Zimmeri> do you think you can help me in a dedicated manner - with this making of presentation 07:07 < Zimmeri> if so, we can work with you. 07:08 < Zimmeri> im at least allowed to hire one person in the company. 07:08 < Zimmeri> i need this person to be networked/knowledgeable in the field though. 07:08 <@fenn> well, i've never set up a factory if that's what you're asking 07:08 < Zimmeri> it doesnt have to be you, yourself personally. 07:09 < Zimmeri> it's the knowledge to use people surrounding you, or connecting to the places - to get that information completed. 07:09 < Zimmeri> and be able to manage things being able to understand what they are doing, maybe not in a molecular level, but a manageable, directing level. lol 07:10 < Zimmeri> where is bishop anyway 07:11 <@fenn> sleeping 07:11 < Zimmeri> o 07:12 < Zimmeri> i can tell you my projects in detail fenn if you are up for it 07:12 < Zimmeri> in msg. 07:12 <@fenn> sigh. okay. 07:12 < Zimmeri> cool 07:33 * juri_ sticks her tongue out (and her finger up) at secrecy. :) 07:33 <@fenn> eh its boring financial stuff 07:34 * juri_ nods. 07:34 < juri_> still, secrets are bad, mmmkay? 07:34 -!- eudoxia_ [c828557a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.40.85.122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:34 < eudoxia_> fenn, where any of the skdb tools like agimme or apkg ever written? 07:35 -!- abetusk [~abetusk@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:36 <@fenn> no, we did some experiments with generic dependency resolution and graph traversal stuff, but it didnt really go anywhere 07:36 <@fenn> i got distracted with finding/formatting data sources 07:37 <@fenn> specifically what the schema should look like 07:37 < eudoxia_> kanzure said cad was the main stumbling block 07:38 <@fenn> sort of 07:38 <@fenn> with existing cad tools it's impossible to tie metadata to actual features in the data 07:38 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:38 <@fenn> and thus it's impossible to do any sort of automated reasoning 07:38 <@fenn> like, does tab A fit in slot B 07:39 < eudoxia_> i thought it was something like that 07:39 <@fenn> but that doesn't tell you if it's possible to manufacture tab A with machine C 07:39 <@fenn> so there's this whole other problem of specifying a machine's parameters, what processes it is capable of, and so on 07:41 < eudoxia_> so it's not enough with saying machine C can weld, you have to say it can only weld pieces up to x or y made of a or b 07:46 -!- eudoxia_ [c828557a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.40.85.122] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:37 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/commit/?id=86f56793 fenn: sample wet lab inventory, unformatted 08:37 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/commit/?id=79076ba6 fenn: dimensions of the two standard containers i use; ideally this would be in a package but here for now 08:40 -!- Charlie [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:40 <@fenn> how is that nick not registered already 08:41 -!- Charlie is now known as Guest32385 08:41 <@fenn> aha 08:41 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:45 < Zimmeri> wiat fenn, the OTEC idea, do you think it can be made in a small scale with say $5M to 10M 08:45 < Zimmeri> or less? 08:46 < Zimmeri> to run the KUKA machines hoping for a power source as abundant as you mention 08:46 < Zimmeri> btw, we are building it on an island surrounded by ocean water so 08:50 < Zimmeri> could be useful 08:56 < Zimmeri> ok ill look into that 08:56 -!- eudoxia_ [c828557a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.40.85.122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:00 -!- eudoxia_ [c828557a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.40.85.122] has quit [Client Quit] 09:18 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:40 <@kanzure> "meetlog.txt" E514: write error (file system full?) 09:45 -!- Guest32385 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52 < Zimmeri> wow 09:52 < Zimmeri> i got it. i just need to follow tecnomatix 09:53 < Zimmeri> kanzure, im making a presentation on building a manufacturing plantation to get another 100 million in funding. 09:53 < Zimmeri> with KUKA robotics. 10:00 < Zimmeri> isnt this your area of expertise? 10:00 < Zimmeri> mechanical engineering. 10:08 < Zimmeri> join kanzure. 10:08 < Zimmeri> join me in conquering this world! ahahahaha! 10:31 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 < ThomasEgi> Zimmeri, in case you get hands on an army of kuka robots. i'd take a smaller 5-axis machine ;) with controll unit of course 10:54 < Zimmeri> you pay! 10:54 < ThomasEgi> depends on the price 10:55 < Zimmeri> full price + cost of shipping and service and for the honor of meeting me! 10:57 < ThomasEgi> that's lame. in that case i can get them cheaper on ebay 11:01 < Zimmeri> ................ 11:42 -!- ArmilusDajjal [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:06 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:13 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:14 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:14 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- AgeVivo [58ab7d94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.171.125.148] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:46 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:56 <@kanzure> AgeVivo: welcome back 12:58 < Zimmeri> ....youu dont welcome me back? 12:59 < yashgaroth> did you leave at some point 13:02 < chido> hey :) 13:02 < yashgaroth> heyo 13:04 -!- ArmilusDajjal [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:19 <@kanzure> looks like chrome wont be moving back to vertical tabs any time soon http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=100319#c109 13:29 -!- strages_home [~strages@98.67.175.176] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:45 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.53.7.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:46 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@213.37.53.7.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48 -!- AgeVivo [58ab7d94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.171.125.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:54 -!- AgeVivo [58ab7d94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.171.125.148] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- chevbird [~chevbird@pool-108-34-246-28.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:02 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:24 -!- yorick [~quassel@unaffiliated/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:15 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28 -!- AgeVivo [58ab7d94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.171.125.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:38 < Zimmeri> kanzure! 16:40 <@kanzure> please leave me alone :( 16:40 <@kanzure> it's been two years, please just stop 16:40 < Zimmeri> you dont want to talk to me 16:40 < Zimmeri> but why 16:40 < Zimmeri> i will stop if you give me a sufficient reason 16:41 < Zimmeri> i thought we were at this together - 16:41 < Zimmeri> human enhancement. 16:41 < Zimmeri> sigh... 16:42 < Zimmeri> can't you see im trying my best and actually succeeding? 16:42 < Zimmeri> why don't you help out in that journey - we at same road? 16:43 < Zimmeri> im trying to help you as well, with funding/support - you can become something much higher- 16:44 < Zimmeri> but whats the deal man, is it because all the bullshit stuff we spoke of lol 16:44 < Zimmeri> forget about that, start fresh and be professional. 16:45 -!- rainfrog [~swamp@p5B16DA83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:46 < Zimmeri> if you believe im lying on anything, i can prove every single thing now 16:47 -!- Plazma [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 < Zimmeri> im not related to politics any more particularly so there's no complications anywhere too 16:49 < Zimmeri> sigh... if that is how you feel i guess i have to abide by it 16:49 < Zimmeri> but i dont understand... it doesn't have to be this way. whatever it is we can talk about it. 16:54 < joshcryer> You don't go to kanzure, he comes to you. Go do something fabulous that he'd be interested in and he'd (possibly with reluctance) contact you. 16:54 < ThomasEgi> Zimmeri, you see... "please just stop" is a sufficient reason. it is the polite request and, unless you are a rude person and forcing your way on other people, should grant that request. 17:16 -!- Charlie_ [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:20 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:48 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22 <@kanzure> "Google does it. They have a team that goes around unplugging network cables and monitoring how fast the engineers can find and fix the problem." 18:23 < tylergillies> #TIL kurzweil works at google 18:30 <@kanzure> tylergillies: please leave reddit out of here 18:30 < tylergillies> kanzure: what? 18:30 < tylergillies> kanzure: i got that info from wikipedia 18:30 <@kanzure> "#TIL" is not from wikipedia. 18:30 < tylergillies> oh 18:30 < yashgaroth> it's some kind of hybrid of reddit and twitter...my god, they're breeding 18:31 < tylergillies> um 18:31 < tylergillies> no? 18:31 < tylergillies> :) 18:31 < yashgaroth> oh whew 18:31 < tylergillies> #TIL #TIL #TIL 18:31 <@kanzure> anyway, we were all really disappointed when that was announced the toher week. 18:31 <@kanzure> *other 18:31 < tylergillies> buuuuurn 18:31 < tylergillies> :) 18:31 < yashgaroth> so it's just some insane memetic engineers, playing at al gore 18:32 <@kanzure> maybe google will be able to convince him to go back to working on projects 18:32 <@kanzure> but i sort of doubt it 18:32 * tylergillies is watching "transcendant man" right now 18:32 <@kanzure> why would you do that to yourself? 18:32 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:32 < tylergillies> kanzure: you're mister positive aren't you? :) 18:33 <@kanzure> yes, but not about ray 18:33 < tylergillies> why the hate? 18:33 <@kanzure> his company is a media/news outlet. that's what he does. he goes around giving talks at conferences. his job is self-promotion. 18:34 < tylergillies> everyone has their role to play 18:34 <@kanzure> his transhumanist philosophy is rather weak and doesn't lead to results 18:34 <@kanzure> "let's just wait it out for a 40 years and hope someone solves this problem for me" 18:35 <@kanzure> TSiN was just extropy-chat email archives dumped into a book 18:36 <@kanzure> and his documentary isn't highly informative.. i don't know what you're expecting to get out of it. 18:37 < tylergillies> entertainment? 18:37 < tylergillies> :) 18:37 < tylergillies> kanzure: you know amber case and max ogden? 18:38 <@kanzure> i met max 2012-06-19 18:38 <@kanzure> and amber i met 2010-11-15 18:38 < tylergillies> cool. they are pretty good friends of mine :) 18:38 < yashgaroth> oh yeah I remember max ogden 18:38 < tylergillies> kanzure: how do you remember the date? 18:39 <@kanzure> tylergillies: quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/ 18:39 <@kanzure> aaack 18:39 <@kanzure> http://quantifiedself.com/2011/08/bryan-bishop-on-meetlog/ 18:39 <@kanzure> the shame! the terrible shame that i can't type a url properly. 18:39 < tylergillies> kanzure: holy shit thats awesome 18:39 <@kanzure> i figured i should keep track of who i meet and what we talk about because maybe it's not completely boring 18:40 < tylergillies> from a business/networking perspective thats brilliant 18:40 <@kanzure> the original motivation was because i had trouble multiplexing ideas from multiple conversations 18:41 <@kanzure> i think i forgot to tell mom that i was traveling once and it just didn't occur to me until i had left 18:41 <@kanzure> and other such things. 18:42 -!- abetusk [~abetusk@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:43 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:44 <@kanzure> oh geeze, steve coles (grg.org) has been diagnosed with "adenocarcinoma of the head of the pancreas" 18:50 < Zimmeri> alright kanzure, i'll leave you alone. 18:50 < Zimmeri> but im still going to hang around the channel 18:54 < Zimmeri> plz dont get in my way of networking w/ other individuals though 18:55 < Zimmeri> remember, we talked about some really immoral things before but that's really just a fantasy ok? dont bother yourself on the reflection of it or toward to me because of that... 18:57 * tylergillies is now interested in what Zimmeri is talking about 18:58 < tylergillies> wow theres this magical phenonenon that happens on facebook, where i have 67 mutual friends with someone and i don't even know who they are 19:03 < Zimmeri> despite your choice, i thank you for many things we've discussed and i wish you success. 19:04 < tylergillies> i said that to my boss when i got fired 19:04 < tylergillies> he died of cancer 3 years later 19:04 < tylergillies> treu story 19:04 < tylergillies> true* 19:04 < yashgaroth> lol pwned 19:13 -!- rainfrog [~swamp@p5B16DA83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ♫♬♪♘ I am electric flesh and the law I accept is Nature.] 19:23 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:24 < erasmus> ciao a tutti 20:00 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+q Zimmeri!*@*] by kanzure 20:09 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:15 -!- Zimmeri [~Zimmeri@64.235.97.82] has quit [] 20:22 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:27 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:23 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-71-236-101-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26 -!- qu-bit_ [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 <@kanzure> User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) 21:29 <@kanzure> Host: www.sciencedirect.com 21:29 <@kanzure> guys gnusha's proxy doesn't give you access to sciencedirect 21:29 <@kanzure> don't bother trying :p 21:29 -!- qu-bit [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:32 -!- qu-bit [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:35 -!- qu-bit_ [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:56 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:06 -!- qu-bit [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:11 -!- qu-bit [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:13 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22 < joshcryer> Wonder what the license fee for that would be. 22:25 < JayDugger> tylergillies, that's awesome. 22:35 <@fenn> how is someone dying of cancer awesome? 22:39 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46 < strangewarp> something something Power Word: Death something something social fantasy 22:50 < joshcryer> Who cares when shitty people die. 22:50 < joshcryer> See: Steve Jobs. 23:09 < erasmus> ouch 23:09 < erasmus> he was a terrible person. 23:09 < erasmus> hurt so many people. 23:09 < erasmus> parked in handicapped spots all the time 23:09 < erasmus> didn't think he needed to have license plates. 23:10 < erasmus> that the rules didn't apply to him 23:10 < JayDugger> fenn, I suspect you've a fundamentally better nature than I do. 23:11 < JayDugger> Or a more honest and competent set of co-workers. 23:12 < JayDugger> As strangewarp points out, I'll admit that's mostly fantasy. 23:13 < JayDugger> but I admit to a quick burst of schadenfreude every time I see certain co-workers doing something bad for their health. 23:15 <@fenn> well, parking in handicapped spots is hardly a crime worthy of the death sentence 23:16 <@fenn> damning someone because "he broke the rules" is not the most progressive philosophy either 23:17 <@fenn> and by the time he died, you were no longer being held back by him anyway 23:19 <@fenn> "who cares when shitty people die" is doing nothing to make the world better.. "shitty people" are born (or taught to be that way) at approximately the same rate as they die 23:24 <@fenn> my research on nutrition indicates that a large proportion of destructive behavior is a result of, essentially, birth defects due to malnutrition 23:25 <@fenn> on the plus side, it might be possible to correct them to some degree 23:29 <@fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_fallacy seems relevant here 23:29 <@fenn> joshcryer: you claim to be interested in lesswrong but i see no evidence of any attempt to apply rationality to yourself 23:34 < joshcryer> I'm irrational. 23:35 <@kanzure> huh? joshcryer hasn't claimed to be interested in rationality, just maybe that website. 23:36 < joshcryer> After the Ayn Rand thing I've lost all interest in that shitty website. 23:36 <@kanzure> neat. 23:36 <@kanzure> as far as i know, that's 50% of my target goal for you 23:37 < joshcryer> It's your fault, I only went there because of the controversies you would talk about. I like drama. BTW, I'm irrational. 23:39 < erasmus> you said that already. 23:39 <@kanzure> maybe he's on repeat 23:40 < erasmus> stuck in a loop perhaps. 23:42 < joshcryer> Eh, people would say drama is irrational, just wanted to subvert it. 23:42 < erasmus> Melancholia was a good movie 23:42 < erasmus> isn't it fun to pretend we are all super smart. 23:42 < erasmus> brilliant but socially inept 23:42 <@kanzure> no it's not fun to pretend that 23:43 < erasmus> but perhaps it's the really smart ones who know the truth. 23:43 < erasmus> that impressing people on irc will get you nowhere. 23:43 < joshcryer> I like to do a reality check on a regular basis and dumb myself down that way if I succeed at something I surprise myself. 23:43 <@kanzure> erasmus: who are you trying to impress? 23:44 < erasmus> kanzure I validate only myself. 23:44 < erasmus> I impress no one. 23:44 <@kanzure> i don't understand why you would bring it up then 23:44 < erasmus> and if I do it's only by accent. 23:44 < erasmus> accident* 23:44 < erasmus> bring what up? 23:45 < erasmus> making the point of proving how useless these debates are? 23:45 <@kanzure> what debates? 23:45 <@kanzure> wtf man? 23:45 < erasmus> these disagreements 23:45 <@kanzure> what disagreements? 23:45 < erasmus> quarrels. 23:46 < erasmus> drama. 23:48 <@fenn> i might have grazed the 'no philosophy' rule, but it was something that had to be said 23:48 <@kanzure> i am having an exceedingly hard time understanding you. can you take your drama somewhere else maybe? 23:48 < joshcryer> fenn, for what it's worth I simply see no motivation in expending thought on shitty people, but I would agree they have their own little shitty value to them. 23:49 < erasmus> drama? 23:49 < erasmus> what drama? 23:59 <@fenn> erasmus: if you have nothing to say but criticisms of the medium itself, take it to a different medium (not here) --- Log closed Thu Dec 27 00:00:12 2012